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El Jarabe

Joseph,
 
Just yesterday, I was at Amoeba Records on Sunset Blvd. in Hollywood, and I came across a CD in the Classical music of Spain section and the title was something to the effect of "Musica de Nuevo Mexico" and the CD cover had an illustration that appeared to be Castas-like (dark almost black person contrasted with a Spaniard).  Instead I bought a terrible CD by a Chilean pianist.  Had I known you were going to express interest in the topic I'd have bought the other one. 
 
Joseph, you should take up classical guitar.  I took lessons two years ago, before I became interested in genealogy, and somehow felt that I connected with my past when playing the music by the Spanish composers.  I loved it and was certain it had something to do with my background.  I started the classes with the intention of playing folk guitar because I enjoy singing, but instead found Spanish classical guitar was even more fun. 
 
I just know someone out there is going to suggest he take Indian drumming

April 15, 2005


Joseph,

Can you tell me if I have sent mine in? I think I have but just to be sure
can you check. The names I am researching are:


Sandoval
Arellano
Correa

Thank you


              ~~glo~~






From: Joseph Puentes 
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: LosRanchos 
Subject: [ranchos] April 15, 2005
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:51:29 -0500


I just checked and I only have 56 genealogies and 73 members. That means
that 17 of you haven't sent in your work yet. Now I realize that in the last
month or so we've had a good 5 or so new members and of course they will be
given extentions of a short few months say to around June 15, 2005, but for
the other 12 of you that have been in the group a long time now and don't
have a good reason for not sending in your work. . .well all I have to say
is April 15th is coming up fast and I need a short communication from you
with a real good reason why even if we've discussed the matter previously.
In the

Valparaiso, Zacatecas

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I my research I have discovered that the Roman and Alejandre families of
the La Barca area of Jalisco owned various parcels of land up until the Mexican
Revolution. Manuel Roman

El Jarabe, los Charros y la charreria

Joseph,
 
Around these times it's very likely that the Indios or Mestizos, the indigenous peoples of Mexico were becoming comfortable with horses. As late as 1619 it was still forbiden for the indigenous people to ride or own horses. Only the descendents of the Spanish royalty were allowed this privilege.
 
The indians were raising and caring for their masters' horses thereby learning about the care, feeding and training of horses. After many wars in the mountains, hills and forests of Mexico, the stray horses that were left in the mountain ranges after such battles bred and the indians or natives of each region tamed the horses.
 
Up until 1611 there was Indian legislation strictly forbidding indians from owning or riding horses or using or owning firearms. They were however allowed if they lived in the rural areas to attend to the needs of their Hacienda owners' horses, cattle and any and all other animals including the use of the branding iron that was registered to the hacienda

April 15, 2005

Joseph

Can you
tell me again, for the 1,000 time (sorry) how to get my updated family tree to
you.  I’ve gotten a little farther
and would like to post the results. 
Tell me what software I should use, etc.

 

By the
way, I totally enjoy reading all the postings from the other members.  Everyone seems so professional in their
research and I feel like such an amateur. 
However, l learn SO much from everyone.  I love being a part of this group.

 

Peggy
Delgado

 

-----Original
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From: Joseph Puentes
[mailto:makas@...]

Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005
3:51 PM

To: LosRanchos

Subject: [ranchos] April 15, 2005

 



I just checked and I only have 56 genealogies and 73 members. That means that
17 of you haven't sent in your work yet. Now I realize that in the last month
or so we've had a good 5 or so new members and of course they will be given
extentions of a short few months say to around June 15, 2005, but for the other
12 of you that have been in the group a long

Valparaiso, Zacatecas

Joseph,
 
I do not know of any Roman ties. However, I would be very interested
in knowing how the haciendas functioned and how they were structured
in terms of people, if you know such data. 

I do know that the Felguerez haciendas in Valparaiso and Colotlan
appeared to work closely together, even though it appears to me that
one part of the family "worked" one and another part of the family
"worked" the other. I uploaded an article into the Valparaiso photo
folder describing in Spanish the extent of the Felguerez land holdings
in the Colotlan and Valparaiso area (see paragraph 3 of the Cerro de
Gallegos jpg file). I estimate the haciendas comprised approximately
1500 sq. miles, assuming square plots of land, which may not be the
case. Near as I can tell, in 1910 Mexico was owned by 1000 families
and 1/4 of Mexico was owned by 200 of them.

My grandfather, Jose Cruz Cerros, likely worked on the Felguerez
haciendas. My grandmother, Maria Felguerez, was the illegitimate
daughter of one

El Jarabe


I'm currently listening to a book on tape about the life of Mozart and
whenever I listen to historical accounts of great people I always seem
to think of my relatives in the sense of wondering what they were doing
during that same time period. For example Mozart was doing his composing
[1781] at the same time that my gggg grandfather, Vicente Diaz was born
in Cuculiten, Zacatecas. So i wondered about him awhile during the time
I should have been listening to my story and then started thinking about
the historical music of Mexico. And then I started thinking of really
really wanting to hear some music from Mexicos 17th and 18th century. I
found this reference to traditional dances and was wondering if anyone
has any "music" or "dance" in their genealogy? Does anyone have
relatives that either by word of mouth or somehow by records were listed
as musicians?


. . .or does anyone know of an particular reference books that might
give some of the history of Mexican Music

File Space


Well I'm on a roll so here is something else on my mind. The file space
of the Ranchos1 group is over 50% used. [11463 Kb used of 20480 Kb
total]. I guess I start getting a little antsy when we get anywhere
close to our allotted "free" space.


Now this is just my thought and not a requirement, but . . .

I prefer but not require that you send your work in as a genealogy
report for a couple of reasons:


1) the genealogy report gives much much more info than the straight line
tree. You have the side branches to an extent along with their downline
information


2) the genealogy report uses so so much less file space

As we get much closer to exhausting our free space we'll have to make a
group decision. So to prolong that moment as long as possible I'd ask
that some of you think about possibly changing your trees to reports.
Also any new people I'd really love for you to consider sending in a
report instead of a tree, BUT as I said before it is not a requirement
just a

April 15, 2005



I just checked and I only have 56 genealogies and 73 members. That
means that 17 of you haven't sent in your work yet. Now I realize that
in the last month or so we've had a good 5 or so new members and of
course they will be given extentions of a short few months say to
around June 15, 2005, but for the other 12 of you that have been in the
group a long time now and don't have a good reason for not sending in
your work. . .well all I have to say is April 15th is coming up fast
and I need a short communication from you with a real good reason why
even if we've discussed the matter previously.
In the next couple of weeks or so I'll be sending out an email to all
17 members including the new memberships. You'll have to forgive my old
brain so just remind me as in


"Jeez, joseph whu-zup with this i just
joined two days ago, remember tarugo!!!"



sincerely,



joseph the blade



ps: some of the genealogies also haven't been updated for a long long
time. There are no rules on this but it

Valparaiso, Zacatecas

Julian Roman was overseeing or somehow in charge of several haciendas
in Monte Escovedo and Colotlan. Do you have any Roman family ties?



joseph



Edward Serros wrote:

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
  
Is anyone in the group studying in the Valparaiso, Zacatecas area?

if so might you have these surnames in your family: Castro, Garcia, 
Duenas, Martinez, and/or Arevalo?

joseph
    
I have been researching the Felguerez and Cerros surnames in
Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico. The Felguerez family owned large
haciendas (El Astillero, Penablanca, others) in Valparaiso and
Colotlan. The Cerros surname is limited to Valparaiso. Additional
secondary surnames in my studies of Valparaiso include: Reyes,
Aguirre, Sanchez, de la Torre, and Ibarra. I would be happy to share
information with anyone regarding these surnames and/or the Valparaiso
haciendas. I am not familiar with Castro, Garcia, Dunenas, Martinez,
or Arevalo.





 
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