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OK.  I understand now.  Not an easy knot to untie!

The other interesting finding are your 12/12 matches.  We have to wait
for the 25 marker results to see if those hold up.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  wrote:
>
> Yes, Victor I realize that the name Aranzazu is Basque, but since 
> this was the name of the adoptive father or Joseph Ramon, it is not 
> necessarily my real lineage.  To further complicate that issue, his 
> adoptive grandfather was an illegitimate child and only took the name 
> Aranzazu, because apparently that is where he was born (Real de 
> Aranzazu in Mazapil, Zacatecas).  His father's name was Juan de 
> Barreda.
> 
> The five full 12-marker matches that I get for my YDNA are:
> 
> Belarus Ashkenazi
> Puerto Rico
> Russia
> United Kingdom
> Unknown Origin Ashkenazi
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Arturo,
> > 
> > You have to follow all the leads in search of the

the problem might be if you are using a dial up connection. Even with cable RoadRunner it took many seconds which is a long time for RR, but I'd imagine with cable it would be a few minutes of just sitting there letting your computer work to download it. You might want to try downloading it right before you walk away from your computer to do something else. . .come back in an hour and see if its there. Also I was originally using Netscape and needed to switch to Explorer to view the file.

just some ideas,

joseph

ps: when I eventually get around to uploading it to my website I might try breaking it into 4-1megbyte sections if I can.


latina1955@... wrote:

Arturo,

 

I am having

Yes, Victor I realize that the name Aranzazu is Basque, but since 
this was the name of the adoptive father or Joseph Ramon, it is not 
necessarily my real lineage.  To further complicate that issue, his 
adoptive grandfather was an illegitimate child and only took the name 
Aranzazu, because apparently that is where he was born (Real de 
Aranzazu in Mazapil, Zacatecas).  His father's name was Juan de 
Barreda.

The five full 12-marker matches that I get for my YDNA are:

Belarus Ashkenazi
Puerto Rico
Russia
United Kingdom
Unknown Origin Ashkenazi

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
wrote:
>
> Arturo,
> 
> You have to follow all the leads in search of the answers you are
> looking for.  One quick observation regarding your message:  
Aranzazu
> is most definitely a Basque surname and while everything is 
possible,
> the Basque population is predominatly R1b, with just a mere 2.1%
> belonging to E3b, so this is something to consider.
> http://hpgl

Arturo,

You have to follow all the leads in search of the answers you are
looking for.  One quick observation regarding your message:  Aranzazu
is most definitely a Basque surname and while everything is possible,
the Basque population is predominatly R1b, with just a mere 2.1%
belonging to E3b, so this is something to consider.
http://hpgl.stanford.edu/publications/AJHG_2004_v74_p1023-1034.pdf

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  wrote:
>
> Victor:
> 
> This is very insightful and valuable feedback.  I totally agree with 
> you that one should not jump to any conclusions on this, especially 
> with this haplogroup which seems to be so widely spread and undefined 
> in terms of actual "ethnic" identity.
> 
> I suppose that the most valuable piece of news from this is that it 
> gives me some idea as to the genotype of my Joseph Ramon Aranzazu, 
> who as "expuesto" and taken in by a family.  The reason why I did 
> this DNA test to begin with was

Victor:

This is very insightful and valuable feedback.  I totally agree with 
you that one should not jump to any conclusions on this, especially 
with this haplogroup which seems to be so widely spread and undefined 
in terms of actual "ethnic" identity.

I suppose that the most valuable piece of news from this is that it 
gives me some idea as to the genotype of my Joseph Ramon Aranzazu, 
who as "expuesto" and taken in by a family.  The reason why I did 
this DNA test to begin with was to hopefully find someone with a 
direct lineage to his adoptive Aranzazu family and see if perhaps he 
was in fact an illegitimate child.

This definitely keeps that door open, as it is definite that this 
lineage is of Iberian origin (as was the adoptive father).


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
wrote:
>
> Arturo,
> 
> Now we have another thing in common: E3b.  To compare your numbers
> with mine and with other E3b individuals go to this link
> http://www

Arturo,

Now we have another thing in common: E3b.  To compare your numbers
with mine and with other E3b individuals go to this link
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/freemanDNAProject

I noticed that you quoted a thread from a while back where we discuss
DNA testing and ethnicity.  I'm sure you're not the kind of person to
draw hasty conclusions and that is good because E3b is not a
haplogroup without controversy.  Misconceptions abound, particularly
that one created by applying the wrong sematics to the field of
genetics.  What I mean is the misuse of the word "semitic" as an
adjective applicable to haplogroups E3b and others. 

This has been the source of much debate in circles dedicated to
discussions about population genetics and genealogy.  It is true that
a case can be made for a Sephardic ancestry, but just as easily a case
can be made also for a Moorish, Berber,  Phoenician, Gypsy, Roman,
Macedonian, Greek, etc.  ancestry, because this haplogroup can be
found in so many