Nuestros Ranchos Site

I agree

Been there...done that on many occassion.  

Heard years ago priests, in late 1700's,  scripted
"Jose and/or Maria" to distinguish gender.
What say you?

Jose Munoz
Yuba City, Ca.





--- Emilie Garcia  wrote:

> Joseph,
> 
> After many years of searching the IGI and
> microfilms, I think that everyone in Mexico was
> named Jose or Maria, or Jose Maria, or Juan, since I
> run into the same things you have.  It seems that
> the priests would also often abbreviate these three
> common names.  Juan was often used with Juan Jose or
> Juan Francisco. More often I see Jose--Jose David,
> Jose Gabriel, Jose Miguel, etc.  Sometimes I see
> Juan de Dios or Jesus de la Cruz.  Would that last
> one be called just Cruz by his family?  Yet I never
> heard of anyone called just Dios. I have seen people
> named Santiago or Santacruz or just Santos. Maria is
> sometimes Maria de los Santos, or Maria de los
> Dolores, or Maria de Jesus, etc.  I have also
> noticed in the

Joseph,

 

After many years of searching the IGI and microfilms, I think that everyone in Mexico was named Jose or Maria, or Jose Maria, or Juan, since I run into the same things you have.  It seems that the priests would also often abbreviate these three common names.  Juan was often used with Juan Jose or Juan Francisco. More often I see Jose--Jose David, Jose Gabriel, Jose Miguel, etc.  Sometimes I see Juan de Dios or Jesus de la Cruz.  Would that last one be called just Cruz by his family?  Yet I never heard of anyone called just Dios. I have seen people named Santiago or Santacruz or just Santos. Maria is sometimes Maria de los Santos, or Maria de los Dolores, or Maria de Jesus, etc.  I have also noticed in the films that all children baptised or born on or near a

Don't feel left out.  My wife is from Los Altos and
never heard of my last name (Duarte) until she met me.

Alberto Duarte
Santa Maria, California

--- latina1955@... wrote:

> Hi,
>  
> My husband's surnames include Rocha, Ortiz,
> Madrigal, Duarte.  I have  
> started doing some research, but have not taken the
> serious time yet.   There are 
> many Madrigales in this area - most claiming not
> related (but I think  people 
> just forget).  The Ortiz name, as you might be aware
> is not as  common in 
> Mexico, at least not in these parts, however the
> Rocha name is  connected to 
> families from Los Altos area.  The Duarte's were
> supposedly  one of the first to 
> settle his small town - however when I went to the
> local  church to get historical 
> data, it does not mention one single Duarte!
>  
> Thanks for your feedback - I was thinking that my
> posting had not gone  
> through....
>  
> Esperanza - Chicago area
> 



		
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I don't think so. My husband and his mother were from Ecuador, SA and they never use that term.

Marge

On Jul 8, 2005, at 12:29 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

Does anyone know if "Rancho" is a term used in the same context as we use it in Mexico in other Spanish speaking countries?. . .I'm mostly interested in if Central and South Americans call their small communities Ranchos?



thanks,



joseph

Rougemont, NC

makas@...



John Gonzalez wrote:

 

 

Gracias Alicia:

 

Rancho is only one of many words in Spanish that have been "borrowed" or adopted by the English language. Here are a few more: Barbeque=Barbacoa, Lariat= La reata, Lasso= Lazo, Buckaroo= Vaquero, Mustang= Mosteño.  these are just a few that come to mind...Iam sure there are a lot more. 

 

John Gonzalez

Wildomar, CA

1gnzlz@...

 

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A sad note in our history.....
I was just a youngster at that time, living near 1st
street and Boyle Heights, near downtown Los Angeles
and remember the pachucos, most of them were 1st and
2nd generation Mexican-Americans.  

We were literately 2nd class citizens and were treated
worst than most other ethic groups;  when even while
our fathers, uncles, cousins, friends, were dying in
the battle fields of Europe and Asia defending the
same people that hated us!

It was only my Christan faith that saved me.  I knew
that God would eventually punish those that mistreated
us.

Alberto.

--- janet iglesias  wrote:


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I know I'm a little bit late to jump into this
conversation but there is a great example of what
Esperanza is stating in the movie "American Me" with
Edward James Olmos. Great movie on how gangs influence
Los Angeles.



~Janet Iglesias, San Diego CA



>From: latina1955@...
>Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>To: ranchos

Rancho:

Un rancho es un asentamiento o lugar donde se establece una persona o
una comunidad.

Rancho: es un lugar fuera de una poblacion donde se albergan varias
personas.

Rancho: Granja donde se crian caballos, vacas y otros animales
domesticos.

Hay ranchos dedicados a la Agricultura y otros a la Ganaderia.

I hope this helps.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA
S.W. Riverside County

Joseph,

My answer to you comes from my own observations and experiences.  I've never seen any scholarly research work on "pachuquismo".  I don't want to sound as though I somehow know everything about the subject.  My answere to your questions is "yes".  Gangs existed before the pachuco style of dress became popular.  I saw the gangsters adopt the pachuco style of dress.  I also saw many young people, non-criminal, non-gangster, imitate the style of dress.  The non-gangster pachuco was accepting of any and all who wanted to "join" the "movement".  I saw anglos, african-americans and others accepted as gangsters.  The depiction of this in Luis Valdez' movie, "Zoot Suit", matches my recollections.  As a pre-teen and teen-ager I thought it was cool to peg my baggy pants.  There is a way to fold and roll up the pant leg so that it looks custom-made (from a distance).  Some people in the forties and fifties accepted the pachuco style just as many young people today seem to think that the

If anyone is into "Podcasting" more so from the listening standpoint
here is something of interest for those interested in an insiders view
of things at the vatican:

http://www.catholicinsider.com/

joseph

ps: down load one or two shows to your computer and have a listen.

David P. Delgado wrote:

Emilie,

As I remember, Posada created a caricature of the overdressed upper class types in 19th Century Mexico.  El Catrin = "dandy" and la Catrina is the feminine form of the word.  La Catrina was a person but a generic stereotype.  Posada did not intend the caricature to be a complimentary one.The only other people I heard use the word "catrin" were the pachucos in the late 1940's and the early '50's.  They used it to describe someone who was dressed up and looked "sharp".  I grew up in Southern Cal and saw many pachucos including family members.

man did the pachucos dress sharp!!! My uncle was one and I can remember
his cool threads. I was young and never understood but did the pachucos
hang together as gangs? Or were they all individuals? Did the "pachuco
movement" ever cross the border? Are there gangs in Mexico now. . .as in
the types of gangs we see in US now?

curious minds need to know,

joseph

David in Albany, CA

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