Nuestros Ranchos Site

I found this interesting site that appears to have an extensive film collection for Latin America on Microfilm. The collection includes periodicals, census records, Politics, religion, Culture and popular belief and much more.
UC Berkley Bancroft Library appears to have the most material to our specific area of research, Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes but UT Austin,Stanford and the California UC system also support this project. Unfortunately we just missed this year's conference that was held in late March in the Dominican Republic.

http://www-sul.stanford.edu/depts/hasrg/latinam/calafia/index.html

Alicia Carrillo

Im here!

~~glo~~

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It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees--Emilano Zapata

From: Joseph Puentes
Reply-To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Bueno ???
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 07:25:18 -0500

is there anyone on the other end of this email?

Did we lose all of you?

I hate to stimulate conversation for the sake of conversation, but. . .

. . .I really would appreciate you emailing back to the list if you get
this message.

If you get this message just click "reply" change the Subject and send
me your favorite recipe for hand made Tortillas de Harina or tell me the
name of your latest great grandchild who just happens to be a direct
decendant of your GGGG grandfather from Los Altos de Jalisco or explain
to me some of the unusual things that your parents did that might have
been folklore and tradition coming from generations ago in Mexico. .
.for example. . .Every once in a while my Mom would be doing her thing
and suddenly she would in a hightened voice say, "Mijo vengase aqui." I
would come to her and she would put her hand in my pocket and have this
look of discomfort on her face. Well on the surface this would appear
strange until you heard the "rest of the story." Seems that at these
time of hurried action she would suddenly be struck with a big "itch" in
the palm of her hand. . .it didn't happen often but when it did this was
a "sign" to her that Money was near. So she would find her closest child
and transfer that money into one of their pockets while at the same time
suffering the discomfort of having the itch in her palm.

Sounds strange, but my Mom would do things like that and to us it was
normal.

So did any of your Mom's ever pass on their thoughts and traditions and
beliefs via their "old country" way of thinking?

joseph

But I am not at home - I am reading my messages at my daughter's home. I can't think of anything at the moment - too excited awaiting the start of Final Four game of the NCAA basketball tournament. Three of my kids graduated from GMU (George Mason Univ) in Fairfax, VA - and we are full of MASON fever - Go GMU! I will have to think on it when I get home. Y'all have a great weekend.

Natalie

Joseph, I'm still here....

No great story but something my grandmother Juanita Sanchez Castanon, originally from Jerez Zacatecas, used to do. She was a very religious Catholic woman but when she prayed she liked to go out in the backyard and face north, south, east and west when saying the rosary. She said she wanted her prayers to reach all her family and she didn't know where they all were. It sounded very Indian to me and very indearing..
Linda in Everett

Joseph Puentes wrote:

is there anyone on the other end of this email?

Did we lose all of you?

I hate to stimulate conversation for the sake of conversation, but. . .

. . .I really would appreciate you emailing back to the list if you get
this message.

If you get this message just click "reply" change the Subject and send
me your favorite recipe for hand made Tortillas de Harina or tell me the
name of your latest great grandchild who just happens to be a direct
decendant of your GGGG grandfather from Los Altos de Jalisco or explain
to me some of the unusual things that your parents did that might have
been folklore and tradition coming from generations ago in Mexico. .
.for example. . .Every once in a while my Mom would be doing her thing
and suddenly she would in a hightened voice say, "Mijo vengase aqui." I
would come to her and she would put her hand in my pocket and have this
look of discomfort on her face. Well on the surface this would appear
strange until you heard the "rest of the story." Seems that at these
time of hurried action she would suddenly be struck with a big "itch" in
the palm of her hand. . .it didn't happen often but when it did this was
a "sign" to her that Money was near. So she would find her closest child
and transfer that money into one of their pockets while at the same time
suffering the discomfort of having the itch in her palm.

Sounds strange, but my Mom would do things like that and to us it was
normal.

So did any of your Mom's ever pass on their thoughts and traditions and
beliefs via their "old country" way of thinking?

joseph

Yes, she did but they were all Scots or Irish superstitions--don't
cross 2 knives--there'll be a quarrel; if your ears itched, someone was
talking about you. There was a similar one about money and an itching
hand...it depended on which hand itched whether you were getting or
giving money. Marge:)
On Apr 1, 2006, at 6:25 AM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

>
> is there anyone on the other end of this email?
>
> Did we lose all of you?
>
> I hate to stimulate conversation for the sake of conversation, but. . .
>
> . . .I really would appreciate you emailing back to the list if you get
> this message.
>
> If you get this message just click "reply" change the Subject and send
> me your favorite recipe for hand made Tortillas de Harina or tell me
> the
> name of your latest great grandchild who just happens to be a direct
> decendant of your GGGG grandfather from Los Altos de Jalisco or explain
> to me some of the unusual things that your parents did that might have
> been folklore and tradition coming from generations ago in Mexico. .
> .for example. . .Every once in a while my Mom would be doing her thing
> and suddenly she would in a hightened voice say, "Mijo vengase aqui." I
> would come to her and she would put her hand in my pocket and have this
> look of discomfort on her face. Well on the surface this would appear
> strange until you heard the "rest of the story." Seems that at these
> time of hurried action she would suddenly be struck with a big "itch"
> in
> the palm of her hand. . .it didn't happen often but when it did this
> was
> a "sign" to her that Money was near. So she would find her closest
> child
> and transfer that money into one of their pockets while at the same
> time
> suffering the discomfort of having the itch in her palm.
>
> Sounds strange, but my Mom would do things like that and to us it was
> normal.
>
> So did any of your Mom's ever pass on their thoughts and traditions and
> beliefs via their "old country" way of thinking?
>
> joseph
>
>

David,

thanks to you and to all the others that have replied. I wanted to see
just a little response. . .I was having visions of everyone quitting the
Nuestros Ranchos group, but I can see that there is still a few getting
and replying to messages. Thanks.

Un abrazo a Elena Lin. . .what a wonderful story she will have to learn
about her history. Boy one day she will be 90 years old and think of her
Grandfather David and Grandmother Gloria and remember what a great gift
they passed on to her. . .the gift of her history. Our history is such
an important gift especially in times when some don't even know their
grandparents.

Saludos a la familia,

xossef

ps: wow I thought I'd google xossef and came up with next to nothing
other than this math professor. cool.

David P. Delgado wrote:

>My wife Gloria and I are still here, Xossef. You can't lose us that easily. We're slow but steady...como las tortugas. We don't have any great grandchildren yet. Our latest grandchild is Elena Lin, 8 months old. Her father is our youngest son, Eduardo Mateo Cancio DELGADO Calvillo. Her mother is Janeen Louie Wong, fourth generation Chinese-American. Elena's GGGGGGGGGParents are: Pedro de Campos and Xacinntta de Espinossa from Pinos, Zacatecas. I estimate their birth at 1660/1665. That's on my father's side. Gloria would have to do her own calculation for her side.
>
>We are in Albany, CA. How does Elena get to Pinos? Here goes: Oxnard, CA (me)>Tepatitlan, Jal(dad)>Aguas, Ags(GP)>el Mesquite, Encarnacion de Diaz, Jal(married Garcia Espitia)>el Capulin, Jal>la Sieneguita, Jal>Lagos de Moreno, Jal(Espitia married De Campos)>Pinos. Considering that I have ancestors who were Piro, Chiricahua, Tepecan or , Basque and Gloria is half Puerto Rican including African, Taino, Basque and yet-to-be determined others...poor Elena will need a pamphlet to figure out exactly what kind of a "salad" she is. Fascinating...huh?
>
>David Delgado, retired and beginnin to enjoy it.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>
>>From: Joseph Puentes
>>Sent: Apr 1, 2006 4:25 AM
>>To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
>>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Bueno ???
>>
>>
>>is there anyone on the other end of this email?
>>
>>Did we lose all of you?
>>
>>I hate to stimulate conversation for the sake of conversation, but. . .
>>
>>. . .I really would appreciate you emailing back to the list if you get
>>this message.
>>
>>If you get this message just click "reply" change the Subject and send
>>me your favorite recipe for hand made Tortillas de Harina or tell me the
>>name of your latest great grandchild who just happens to be a direct
>>decendant of your GGGG grandfather from Los Altos de Jalisco or explain
>>to me some of the unusual things that your parents did that might have
>>been folklore and tradition coming from generations ago in Mexico. .
>>.for example. . .Every once in a while my Mom would be doing her thing
>>and suddenly she would in a hightened voice say, "Mijo vengase aqui." I
>>would come to her and she would put her hand in my pocket and have this
>>look of discomfort on her face. Well on the surface this would appear
>>strange until you heard the "rest of the story." Seems that at these
>>time of hurried action she would suddenly be struck with a big "itch" in
>>the palm of her hand. . .it didn't happen often but when it did this was
>>a "sign" to her that Money was near. So she would find her closest child
>>and transfer that money into one of their pockets while at the same time
>>suffering the discomfort of having the itch in her palm.
>>
>>Sounds strange, but my Mom would do things like that and to us it was
>>normal.
>>
>>So did any of your Mom's ever pass on their thoughts and traditions and
>>beliefs via their "old country" way of thinking?
>>
>>joseph
>>
>>

Josie:

I am definitely going to try to make it to the Hispanic conference in October as well. I have been meaning to look through the same films you are going to be researching. Since the informacion matrimonial is not indexed, I imagine you will be scanning through the films or do you have approximate dates of marriages that you will be looking up?

I think that those films are the source of the ever-elusive information that I am looking for on the marriage of Isabel de Covarrubias and Jacinto Talamantes since Jaime Holcombe writes that they were vecinos de Zacatecas and the man he cites as Isabel's father would have been working as a familiar de la Santa Inquisicion in Zacatecas when she was born and married.

Can we possibly collaborate on searching through these films? I am sure there is tons of information on a lot of the old Zacatecas families on those films.

Josie:

I am definitely going to try to make it to the Hispanic conference in October as well. I have been meaning to look through the same films you are going to be researching. Since the informacion matrimonial is not indexed, I imagine you will be scanning through the films or do you have approximate dates of marriages that you will be looking up?

I think that those films are the source of the ever-elusive information that I am looking for on the marriage of Isabel de Covarrubias and Jacinto Talamantes since Jaime Holcombe writes that they were vecinos de Zacatecas and the man he cites as Isabel's father would have been working as a familiar de la Santa Inquisicion in Zacatecas when she was born and married.

Can we possibly collaborate on searching through these films? I am sure there is tons of information on a lot of the old Zacatecas families on those films.

oops you caught me. I am new to this site as well and you all found out
that I made a mistake in posting that story there. It was sent out as
one of the special features of the website. What I should have done was
put it in my folder or send it as an email. If you go back in you'll
notice that I have deleted that story because it wasn't suppose to go on
the front page anyway. I'll figure out the best place for it in the next
few days and repost it.

But really anytime you see something that you want to comment about just
pick which ever of the 3 email distribution lists you think is
appropriate and post to them:

general@nuestrosranchos.org
announce@nuestrosranchos.org
research@nuestrosranchos.org

Sorry for the confusion. . .estoy aprendendo tambien.

joseph

Josie T. Trevino wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Well.........I GIVE UP!!! :-) I am here in beautiful Switzerland
> trying to be patient about a lot of things......but......I CANNOT
> figure out how to respond to a message on the new "Nuestros Ranchos"
> website! I feel so dumb!! I went to the new website......logged
> in......read the BEAUTIFUL story by Joseph "Porque estas aqui,
> Muchacha?" and wanted to comment on it but did not know how to do a
> reply to that message.....HELP???
>
> Josie
>
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This is probably a good opportunity to bring to light the new user profiles functionality of the new Nuestros Ranchos site.

IF everyone were to fill out their user profiles, Jonathan could simply go to the website and type "Arizona" in the search box, then click on the "Users" tab and it would bring up anyone who was located in California.

Alternatively, to get a simple listing of users from a state you could use the following URL (changing California for whatever state or country)

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/profile/profile_state/California

The user list is only viewable to members when they are logged in.

If you have not yet done so, PLEASE go to the new site and fill out or update your user profile. This is an essential part of the site and without it, we loose out on a lot of networking opportunities. To do so, click on the "My Account" menu item (from top-right menu block) and then click on the "Edit" tab.

If you would like detailed information on filling out your user profile, see the Nuestros Ranchos users' guide (work still in progress) in the Reference Materials section of Files on the new site:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14123

This is probably a good opportunity to bring to light the new user profiles functionality of the new Nuestros Ranchos site.

IF everyone were to fill out their user profiles, Jonathan could simply go to the website and type "Arizona" in the search box, then click on the "Users" tab and it would bring up anyone who was located in California.

Alternatively, to get a simple listing of users from a state you could use the following URL (changing California for whatever state or country)

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/profile/profile_state/California

The user list is only viewable to members when they are logged in.

If you have not yet done so, PLEASE go to the new site and fill out or update your user profile. This is an essential part of the site and without it, we loose out on a lot of networking opportunities. To do so, click on the "My Account" menu item (from top-right menu block) and then click on the "Edit" tab.

If you would like detailed information on filling out your user profile, see the Nuestros Ranchos users' guide (work still in progress) in the Reference Materials section of Files on the new site:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14123

Emilie,   Have you tried to order the film for that date and Parish under Informacion Matrimonial. It is usually recorded right about the time they were married in Informacion Matrimonial. They record it when they first make the request to get married and then again when the dispensation is issued and granted just before they get married. They would usually marry about 3-4 weeks after the dispensation was granted and the bans had been posted in the parish and occasionally I have seen some documents that state they were married before posting the bans due to urgency of some sort.   Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo

Emilie Garcia wrote:

<?xml:namespace prefix="v"
/><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /> Does anyone have access to the dispensation records for people married in Tepetongo-Parish of Jerez) around 1829?    I have a marriage record for the brother of my ggg-grandfather, Jose Valentin Olague.  The brother's name is Dionisio Olague, and he married a Ma. Juliana Valdes on 7/26/1829 in Tepetongo, Zacatecas.  He was born in Salitrillo in 1809 and she was born in Aguichote (sp?) in 1813.  His parents were Paulin Olague and Espiridiana [Maria del Espiritu Santo] Mata, her parents were Jose Maria Valdes and Dionisia Zuniga.  The padrinos were Anto. Olague and Tomasa Olague, the witnesses were Don Antonio Gomes and Fernanda Vaes.   In the body of the marriage record there is a statement that I roughly translate to: "required dispensation for the 4th degree of affinity").  I would like to see the dispensation record.  
thanks all,   Emilie Garcia, Port Orchard, WA ---

Joseph,

Im sorry I been so busy...
Did I finally have you move me over or where do I stand right now!

One of these days work will slow down and I want to still be with you guys
when it does!

Help!!!!

~~glo~~

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It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees--Emilano Zapata

From: Joseph Puentes
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [ranchos] [Nuestros Ranchos] Yahoo Ranchos Closing on 31 March 2006
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:10:50 -0500

Yes I realize that these daily messages have been a bit of a pain. .
.believe me they are a pain for me too. But I feel the need to make sure
that no one has any excuse for not understanding THAT on 31 March 2006
the Yahoo Ranchos group will be closing to email distribution
communication.

I expect that some will not make the move over to the new site. . .call
it a self removal from the group. I've emailed everyone in the list that
wasn't moved over so I feel comfortable that no leaf has been left
unturned. Then again shortly after the 31st I expect some to "suddenly"
wake up and say, "what happend to Ranchos?"

If you are currently a member of Ranchos you are automatically a member
of the Nuestros Ranchos group. It is not like you need to apply for
membership you're already in. If someone doesn't know about the closing
yet here is the information you need to get yourself a password so you
can log in:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/13819

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