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HI,

Do any of your results match my Romero's J2b1b (old J2e2)? My
Romero's are from Tepatitlan de Morelos, Jalisco. I have traced them
back to Serapio Romero, born about 1820. My grandmother's DNA is

reseaching baptism film from Jerez Zacatecas Mexico

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Just wanted to let anyone who is researching in Jerez Zacatecas Mexico that I am working on Baptisms 1836 to 1840 #0439851. If anyone needs a look up please let me know. I'd be happy to check for you. I'm finding it to be a very important film for his area of research since the years from 1841 to 1866 are missing. I would also be glad to share whatever film information I have for this area. I can send an atttachment of whatever films I have copied. You can contact me directly at longsjourney@hotmail.com.

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reseaching baptism film from Jerez ZacatecasMexico

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Linda,

Great! I have been looking for years for my paternal grandmother, Gorgonia Garcia, birthdate unknown. Her parents were Ignacio Garcia and Maria Guadalupe Rodriguez.

Gorgonia married my grandfather Francisco Olague Felix, date unknown. She had my father Guadalupe Olague in Jerez in January 1903. I have never found anything on my father, or his sister Soledad (b. 1898?) or their mother Gorgonia.

Thanks,

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA
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Linda in Everett

reseaching baptism film from Jerez ZacatecasMexico

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Hi Emilie, I will watch for the birth of Ignacio Garcia and Maria Guadalupe Rodriguez, I will let you know if I find anything.
Linda in Everett

Emilie Garcia wrote:
Linda,

Great! I have been looking for years for my paternal grandmother, Gorgonia Garcia, birthdate unknown. Her parents were Ignacio Garcia and Maria Guadalupe Rodriguez.

Thanks,

Linda in Everett

reseaching baptism film from JerezZacatecasMexico

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Thanks, Linda, I appreciate that a lot.

Emilie
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Hi Emilie, I will watch for the birth of Ignacio Garcia and Maria Guadalupe Rodriguez, I will let you know if I find anything.
Linda in Everett

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If someone has this film I'd appreciate a look up:

MARIA DESIDERIA RAMIRES RESA Pedigree
10 NOV 1775 Jerez, Jerez De Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico
Father: JOSEF RAMIRES Family

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Hey Joseph,

I just added it to my list of records to research for my SLC visit on
Monday. I'll email you the info as soon as I find it.

Rick

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[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Joseph
Puentes
Enviado el: Jueves 13 de Marzo de 2008 5:43 AM
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jerez Look up Request

If someone has this film I'd appreciate a look up:

MARIA DESIDERIA RAMIRES RESA Pedigree
10 NOV 1775 Jerez, Jerez De Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico
Father: JOSEF RAMIRES Family
Mother: MARIA DE RESA
K600804 1771 - 1780 0439847

thanks,

joseph

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Sorry Joseph, I don't have that film long term.. thought maybe I could help you..
next time, Linda in Everett

Joseph Puentes wrote:

If someone has this film I'd appreciate a look up:

MARIA DESIDERIA RAMIRES RESA Pedigree
10 NOV 1775 Jerez, Jerez De Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico
Father: JOSEF RAMIRES Family
Mother: MARIA DE RESA
K600804 1771 - 1780 0439847

thanks,

joseph

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Jerez Look up Request

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Joseph,

If no one else can do it. I'll do it next week, when I am in Salt Lake,

Jonathan

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To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jerez Look up Request
Date: 03/12/08 23:46

>
> If someone has this film I'd appreciate a look up:
>
>
> MARIA DESIDERIA RAMIRES RESA Pedigree
> 10 NOV 1775 Jerez, Jerez De Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico
> Father: JOSEF RAMIRES Family
> Mother: MARIA DE RESA
> K600804 1771 - 1780 0439847
>
>
> thanks,
>
> joseph
>
> ====================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
> http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
> http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
> Genealogy)
>
>
>

Jerez Look up Request

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disculpa de esa familia no tengo nada, pero intentare
investigar
--- Erlinda Castanon-Long
wrote:

> Sorry Joseph, I don't have that film long term..
> thought maybe I could help you..
> next time, Linda in Everett
>
> Joseph Puentes wrote:
>
> If someone has this film I'd appreciate a look up:
>
>
> MARIA DESIDERIA RAMIRES RESA Pedigree
> 10 NOV 1775 Jerez, Jerez De Garcia Salinas,
> Zacatecas, Mexico
> Father: JOSEF RAMIRES Family
> Mother: MARIA DE RESA
> K600804 1771 - 1780 0439847
>
>
> thanks,
>
> joseph
>
> ====================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
> http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace
> Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American
> History Podcast)
> http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and
> Aguascalientes
> Genealogy)
>
>
>

Jerez Look up Request

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I was wondering if anyone had the family name Bernal or Cano in their family
history. I have had a difficult finding any trace of them in border
crossings. It is like they just landed from the stars.

Chris
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From: "C.P. Jose de Jesus Jimenez"
To:
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jerez Look up Request

> disculpa de esa familia no tengo nada, pero intentare
> investigar
> --- Erlinda Castanon-Long
> wrote:
>
> > Sorry Joseph, I don't have that film long term..
> > thought maybe I could help you..
> > next time, Linda in Everett
> >
> > Joseph Puentes wrote:
> >
> > If someone has this film I'd appreciate a look up:
> >
> >
> > MARIA DESIDERIA RAMIRES RESA Pedigree
> > 10 NOV 1775 Jerez, Jerez De Garcia Salinas,
> > Zacatecas, Mexico
> > Father: JOSEF RAMIRES Family
> > Mother: MARIA DE RESA
> > K600804 1771 - 1780 0439847
> >
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > joseph
> >
> > ====================
> >
> > Joseph Puentes
> > http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
> > http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
> > http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace
> > Podcast)
> > http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American
> > History Podcast)
> > http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and
> > Aguascalientes
> > Genealogy)
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not been extracted, as that is my year of interest. Also, the same
for a few years in that time frame. Perhaps, someone on the board can give us a more definitive answer.
/hs

Chris Goodson wrote:
Hi

I was wondering if anyone had the family name Bernal or Cano in their family
history. I have had a difficult finding any trace of them in border
crossings. It is like they just landed from the stars.

Chris
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Estrataficaion de la

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We appear to agree....the point, I think, is the "era" of acceptance...and
increasing change of the demographics of Mexico throughout the centuries.

Thank you for the article...interesting read.

Estrataficaion de la Sociedad en Nueva Espana

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Hola Bill...
Te voy contestar in Ingles....proque no puedo comunicarme muy bien en
Espanol sobre tu opinion que no creas que los negros y mulatos ocupaban una casta
superior a los indigenas.

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I would point you both to the story of the negro Yanga in Veracruz... he succesfully fought the Spaniards for the freedom of his people... because Yanga was helped at times by various Mixtec & Totonac peoples.. the Spanish decided to grant Yanga's people their freedom and raise them above the Natives in the Caste system.

Let me point you in the direction of the "Pinturas de Castas" which were the tool used to enforce the Social Hierarchy. One thing you will note is that there are two distinctions for Native Mexicans:

a) Indio(a) you can see them depicted in Noble clothing. They are really referring to the descendants of Pre-Hispanic nobility which were largely given the same status in Spanish life. In fact, in you Spain there is still a nobiliary title known as Duke de Moctezuma which are descendants of Aztec nobility who were "invited" to Spain and spread throughout Europe... as well as descendants of La Malinche... and some highly accomplished Natives that weren't of Pre-Hispanic noble caste such as Marcos Cipac who painted the Virgin of Guadalupe image now sitting in the Basilica (considered by many art critics to be more or less equivalent to the level of the European masters of the time).

b) Meco(a) these are Native Mexicans of "uncivilized" tribes or of lower Pre-Hispanic caste.

So you can see that Indios were one rung above Mulatos, but Mulatos were a rung higher than Mecos.

Really think about this... not only did the Spanish create a wedge between Blacks & Natives... but they created multiple wedges between the Natives themselves.

If you want greater proof of the historical "caste supremacy" of Afro-Mexicans relative to Natives... you just have to analyze why Mexico had a Black president (Vicente "El Negro" Guerrero) 40 years before having its first & only indigenous president (Benito Juarez). It was only after the Mexican revolution, "La Raza Cosmica", the restoration of Chicen Itza & other ancient sites that Native Mexicans regained greater presitige than Afro Mexicans. In fact, Carlos Fuentes even elaborates on this them in "La Muerte de Artemio Cruz"

With regards to violence between Afro-Americans & Mexicans in the U.S.... if you go to South Central L.A. and do an ethnography of recent Mexican immigrants you will find that the vast majority have come from Oaxaca where today, there is great tension between the Afro-Mexican communities and their Zapotec, Mixtec & mestizo neighbors... I think alot of these tension is a historical holdover and does spill to the U.S. as many of these migrants are frankly speaken... quite racist & prejudiced towards Afro-Americans.

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Link

http://www.gc.maricopa.edu/laberinto/fall1997/casta1997.htm

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I will try again. Please someone tell me I got through. If I did I can then send my info. Thank you. Esther

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I got it

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I will try again. Please someone tell me I got through. If I did I can
then send my info. Thank you. Esther

LOS MARTIN PADILLA DEL AGUILA JALOSTOTITLAN

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HOLA MI BISABUELA ERA DE EL AGUILA JALOSTOTITLAN SE LLAMABA TEODORA MARTIN PADILLA NACIDA EN 1875 HIJA DE FELICIANO MARTIN Y JOSEFA PADILLA, ABUELOS PATERNOS FRANSISCO MARTIN Y ROSALIA GOMEZ, ABUELOS

LOS HERMOSILLO DIAZ DE SAN JUAN DE LOS LAGOS

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UN SALUDO A TODOS MI ABUELA MATERNA ERA DE SAN JUAN DE LOS LAGOS SE LLAMABA RAFAELA HERMOSILLO DIAZ COMO EN 1900 HIJA DE JUAN HERMOSILLO GARCIA Y FRANSISCA DIAZ MARTINEZ, ABUELOS PATERNOS ELUSTIAQUIO

LOS GUTIERREZ DE JALOSTOTITLAN

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HOLA A TODOS PUES YO TENGO ALGO DE INVESTIGACION DE MI FAMILIA POR PARTE DE MI MAMA QUE SON DE JALOS E LLEGADO HASTA EL ABUELO DE MI BISABUELO QUE SE LLAMABA JOSE TELESFORO GUTIERREZ GONZALEZ NACIO APROXIMADAMENTE EN 1831, ERA HIJO DE CRISANTO GUTIERREZ Y MARIANA GONZALEZ POR SI ALGUIEN TIENE INFORMASION DE LOS ANCESTROS DE MI TATARAABUELO ME GUSTARIA QUE NOS PUSIERAMOS EN CONTACTO PARA PODER HACER LLENAR UN POCO MAS MI ARBOL GENEALOGICO

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LOS GUTIERREZ DE JALOSTOTITLAN

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Hola PP Chuy...

Telesforo Gutierrez Gonzalez (nacido aproximadamente en 1831), esposo de
Josefa Franco Macias(casados el 31 de enero de 1856 en Jalos)? Hermano de
Zeferino Gutierrez, entre muchos otros?

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[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de ppchuy
Enviado el: Jueves 6 de Marzo de 2008 1:50 PM
Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] LOS GUTIERREZ DE JALOSTOTITLAN

HOLA A TODOS PUES YO TENGO ALGO DE INVESTIGACION DE MI FAMILIA POR PARTE DE
MI MAMA QUE SON DE JALOS E LLEGADO HASTA EL ABUELO DE MI BISABUELO QUE SE
LLAMABA JOSE TELESFORO GUTIERREZ GONZALEZ NACIO APROXIMADAMENTE EN 1831, ERA
HIJO DE CRISANTO GUTIERREZ Y MARIANA GONZALEZ POR SI ALGUIEN TIENE
INFORMASION DE LOS ANCESTROS DE MI TATARAABUELO ME GUSTARIA QUE NOS
PUSIERAMOS EN CONTACTO PARA PODER HACER LLENAR UN POCO MAS MI ARBOL
GENEALOGICO

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Mil gracias, pero tu no sabes nada si se volvio a
casar porque mi tatarabuela era Simona de Luna JImenez
esposa de Telesforo, o solo que mi bisabuelo fuera
hijo fuera del matrimonio , mi bisabuelo se llamaba
SAbino Gutierrez Luna,
--- Rick Rodriguez wrote:

> Hola PP Chuy...
>
> Telesforo Gutierrez Gonzalez (nacido aproximadamente
> en 1831), esposo de
> Josefa Franco Macias(casados el 31 de enero de 1856
> en Jalos)? Hermano de
> Zeferino Gutierrez, entre muchos otros?
>
>
>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org]
> En nombre de ppchuy
> Enviado el: Jueves 6 de Marzo de 2008 1:50 PM
> Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] LOS GUTIERREZ DE
> JALOSTOTITLAN
>
>
> HOLA A TODOS PUES YO TENGO ALGO DE INVESTIGACION DE
> MI FAMILIA POR PARTE DE
> MI MAMA QUE SON DE JALOS E LLEGADO HASTA EL ABUELO
> DE MI BISABUELO QUE SE
> LLAMABA JOSE TELESFORO GUTIERREZ GONZALEZ NACIO
> APROXIMADAMENTE EN 1831, ERA
> HIJO DE CRISANTO GUTIERREZ Y MARIANA GONZALEZ POR SI
> ALGUIEN TIENE
> INFORMASION DE LOS ANCESTROS DE MI TATARAABUELO ME
> GUSTARIA QUE NOS
> PUSIERAMOS EN CONTACTO PARA PODER HACER LLENAR UN
> POCO MAS MI ARBOL
> GENEALOGICO
>

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Y fue don Mónico de Luna el que la mecha prendió...

"C.P. Jose de Jesus Jimenez" wrote: Mil gracias, pero tu no sabes nada si se volvio a
casar porque mi tatarabuela era Simona de Luna JImenez
esposa de Telesforo, o solo que mi bisabuelo fuera
hijo fuera del matrimonio , mi bisabuelo se llamaba
SAbino Gutierrez Luna,
--- Rick Rodriguez wrote:

LOS GUTIERREZ DE JALOSTOTITLAN

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ASI ES MONICO DE LUNA, SU FAMILIA VIVE AQUI EN
AGUASCALIENTES CONOSCO A VARIOS DE SUS PARIENTES , EN
EL CORRIDO DE LOS PERES PERO LOS QUE MATARON A LOS
PEREZ FUERON OROZCO, JJEJEJEJJE
--- Juan Ramón Alvarez
wrote:

> Y fue don Mónico de Luna el que la mecha prendió...
>
> "C.P. Jose de Jesus Jimenez"
> wrote: Mil gracias, pero tu no sabes nada si se
> volvio a
> casar porque mi tatarabuela era Simona de Luna
> JImenez
> esposa de Telesforo, o solo que mi bisabuelo fuera
> hijo fuera del matrimonio , mi bisabuelo se llamaba
> SAbino Gutierrez Luna,
> --- Rick Rodriguez wrote:
>
> > Hola PP Chuy...
> >
> > Telesforo Gutierrez Gonzalez (nacido
> aproximadamente
> > en 1831), esposo de
> > Josefa Franco Macias(casados el 31 de enero de
> 1856
> > en Jalos)? Hermano de
> > Zeferino Gutierrez, entre muchos otros?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> > De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org]
> > En nombre de ppchuy
> > Enviado el: Jueves 6 de Marzo de 2008 1:50 PM
> > Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] LOS GUTIERREZ DE
> > JALOSTOTITLAN
> >
> >
> > HOLA A TODOS PUES YO TENGO ALGO DE INVESTIGACION
> DE
> > MI FAMILIA POR PARTE DE
> > MI MAMA QUE SON DE JALOS E LLEGADO HASTA EL ABUELO
> > DE MI BISABUELO QUE SE
> > LLAMABA JOSE TELESFORO GUTIERREZ GONZALEZ NACIO
> > APROXIMADAMENTE EN 1831, ERA
> > HIJO DE CRISANTO GUTIERREZ Y MARIANA GONZALEZ POR
> SI
> > ALGUIEN TIENE
> > INFORMASION DE LOS ANCESTROS DE MI TATARAABUELO ME
> > GUSTARIA QUE NOS
> > PUSIERAMOS EN CONTACTO PARA PODER HACER LLENAR UN
> > POCO MAS MI ARBOL
> > GENEALOGICO
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Hola José de Jesús,

La familia de tu bisabuelo es una de las que estoy investigando, ya que un
hermano de tu bisabuelo Telésforo Gutierrez era Zeferino Gutierrez Gonzalez
casado con Teófila Aceves Lozano, quienes tuvieron descendencia aquí en
Valle de Guadalupe. La próxima semana voy a ir a buscar la fe de bautismo de
otro de sus hermanos para ver quiénes eran los padres de tus tatarabuelos.
Si me mandas tu árbol quizás pueda ayudarte con mas información que
necesites.

Saludos,

Ricardo

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[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de C.P. Jose de
Jesus Jimenez
Enviado el: Martes 11 de Marzo de 2008 12:12 PM
Para: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] LOS GUTIERREZ DE JALOSTOTITLAN

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hola Ricardo esta es la investigacion que tengo hasta
el momento espero que te sea util para poder
desarrollar tu arbol genealogico, y puedas sacar mas
datos para poder avanzar, un saludo pariente

1. Sabino Gutierrez, Sr. (Jose Telesforo3, Crisanto2,
Lucas1) nació en 1875 en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, 30 de
diciembre y murió el 18 Jul. 1964 en Aguascalientes.

Padre: 2. Jose Telesforo Gutierrez nació en 1831 en
Jalostotitlan, Jalisco y murió en Jalostotitlan,
Jalisco.

Madre: 3. Simona de Luna murió en jalostotitlan,
Jalisco.

2da Generación (Padres)

2. Jose Telesforo Gutierrez (Crisanto2, Lucas1) nació
en 1831 en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco y murió en
Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. El se casó con Simona de Luna.

EStos son los PAdres de JOse telesforo y tu BIsabuelo

Padre: 4. Crisanto Gutierrez nació el 24 Oct. 1798 en
la labor, Jalostotitlan y murió en Jalostotitlan,
Jalisco.

Madre: 5. Mariana Gonzalez nació en Jalostotitlan,
Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.

3. Simona de Luna (Juan1) murió en jalostotitlan,
Jalisco.

Otros eventos en la vida de Simona de Luna
Sepultura

Padre: 6. Juan de Luna nació en Jalostotitlan,
Jalisco y murió en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

Madre: 7. Macedonia Jimenez nació en Jalostotitlan,
Jalisco y murió en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

3ra Generación (Abuelos)

4. Crisanto Gutierrez (Lucas1) nació el 24 Oct. 1798
en la labor, Jalostotitlan y murió en Jalostotitlan,
Jalisco. El se casó con Mariana Gonzalez en
Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

Padre: 8. Lucas Gutierrez murió en una fecha
desconocida.

Madre: 9. Maria Teresa Ramirez murió en una fecha
desconocida.

5. Mariana Gonzalez (Cayetano1) nació en
Jalostotitlan, Jalisco y murió en una fecha
desconocida.

Padre: 10. Cayetano Gonzalez murió en una fecha
desconocida.

Madre: 11. Maria Gertrudis Gutierrez murió en una
fecha desconocida.

6. Juan de Luna nació en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco y
murió en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. El se casó con
Macedonia Jimenez.

7. Macedonia Jimenez nació en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco y
murió en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

4ta Generación (Bisabuelos)

8. Lucas Gutierrez murió en una fecha desconocida. El
se casó con Maria Teresa Ramirez.

9. Maria Teresa Ramirez murió en una fecha
desconocida.

10. Cayetano Gonzalez murió en una fecha desconocida.
El se casó con Maria Gertrudis Gutierrez.

11. Maria Gertrudis Gutierrez murió en una fecha
desconocida.

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Muy interesane Pepe Chuy.

ppchuy wrote:
HOLA A TODOS PUES YO TENGO ALGO DE INVESTIGACION DE MI FAMILIA POR PARTE DE MI MAMA QUE SON DE JALOS E LLEGADO HASTA EL ABUELO DE MI BISABUELO QUE SE LLAMABA JOSE TELESFORO GUTIERREZ GONZALEZ NACIO APROXIMADAMENTE EN 1831, ERA HIJO DE CRISANTO GUTIERREZ Y MARIANA GONZALEZ POR SI ALGUIEN TIENE INFORMASION DE LOS ANCESTROS DE MI TATARAABUELO ME GUSTARIA QUE NOS PUSIERAMOS EN CONTACTO PARA PODER HACER LLENAR UN POCO MAS MI ARBOL GENEALOGICO

LOS GUTIERREZ DE JALOSTOTITLAN

Comment

Mil gracias tengo mas informacion de otros apehidos
como JImenez , Hermosillo , Orozco, Gonzales de San
miguel el Alto y de Hermosillo, Diaz , Y garcia de SAn
juan De los LAgos, estamos en contacto, por si
necesitas algo un saludo

--- Juan Ramón Alvarez
wrote:

> Muy interesane Pepe Chuy.
>
> ppchuy wrote:
> HOLA A TODOS PUES YO TENGO ALGO DE INVESTIGACION DE
> MI FAMILIA POR PARTE DE MI MAMA QUE SON DE JALOS E
> LLEGADO HASTA EL ABUELO DE MI BISABUELO QUE SE
> LLAMABA JOSE TELESFORO GUTIERREZ GONZALEZ NACIO
> APROXIMADAMENTE EN 1831, ERA HIJO DE CRISANTO
> GUTIERREZ Y MARIANA GONZALEZ POR SI ALGUIEN TIENE
> INFORMASION DE LOS ANCESTROS DE MI TATARAABUELO ME
> GUSTARIA QUE NOS PUSIERAMOS EN CONTACTO PARA PODER
> HACER LLENAR UN POCO MAS MI ARBOL GENEALOGICO
>

LOS GUTIERREZ DE JALOSTOTITLAN

Comment

Pues gracias por lo de los apellidos.

"C.P. Jose de Jesus Jimenez" wrote: Mil gracias tengo mas informacion de otros apehidos
como JImenez , Hermosillo , Orozco, Gonzales de San
miguel el Alto y de Hermosillo, Diaz , Y garcia de SAn
juan De los LAgos, estamos en contacto, por si
necesitas algo un saludo

--- Juan Ramón Alvarez
wrote:

Ramirez or Resa en Colotlan or Jerez or maybe Villanueva

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Anyone in the group studying either Ramirez or Resa's in Colotlan or
possibly in Jerez? or Villanueva?

joseph

====================

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Ramirez or Resa en Colotlan or Jerez or maybe Villanueva

Comment

Joseph, I've got Resa/Reza from Jerez in my files, anyone in particular that you are looking for? Everyone has Ramirez! Who are you looking for?

Linda in Everett

Joseph Puentes wrote:
Anyone in the group studying either Ramirez or Resa's in Colotlan or
possibly in Jerez? or Villanueva?

joseph

====================

A couple of "fun-facts"

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On the "lighter" side:
Thanks to my primos here at NuestrosRanchos who helped me confirm my DE LEON family tree I was able to find a couple of "fun-facts".

1. Even though my parents were double-related as cousins., I was able to connect them (triple-cousins) to Martin de Enriqyes ( b. abt. 1675). My father Elias de Leon (1904-1999) is his direct 8th descendant (12 generations) and my mother Maria Carlos (1909-1992) is his 9th direct descendant (13 generations). Double Whammy! Am I my mother's equal cousin ????

Comments

Congratulations Primo Joseph

Comment

Joseph:

That is amazing that you have been able to get that far back in your direct paternal lineage that quickly. I got stuck on that line in the 1750s, but have followed many others further back, including a couple that lead me back to Manuel de Leon and Josepha de Escobedo... which makes you my cousin... I suppose several times over.

I don't know if you have seen what I have on this family, but I can take you back at least one more generation to Manuel's parents who were Francisco de la Cruz and Catalina de Garibai. Manuel and Josepha were married in 1692 in Tlaltenango.

http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/showmedia.php?mediaID=94&medialinkID…

Josepha is, I believe, the granddaughter of Francisco de Escobedo, founder of Hacienda de San Andres Astillero later known as Monte Escobedo. She was the daughter of a Captain Juan de Escobedo who appears in other historical documents as the son of Francisco... only confusion is that there may have been two Juan Escobedos so she may be the great-granddaughter.

Congratulations Primo Joseph

Comment

Where is the original message from Joseph? I've tried looking on our
website for it and have somehow missed it. I'm interested in the
Escobedos, who intermarried with Saldivars and Denas in the late 1700s
and early 1800s in Jerez. Marge:)
On Mar 10, 2008, at 12:52 PM, arturoramos wrote:

>
> Joseph:
>
> That is amazing that you have been able to get that far back in your
> direct paternal lineage that quickly. I got stuck on that line in the
> 1750s, but have followed many others further back, including a couple
> that lead me back to Manuel de Leon and Josepha de Escobedo... which
> makes you my cousin... I suppose several times over.
>
> I don't know if you have seen what I have on this family, but I can
> take you back at least one more generation to Manuel's parents who
> were Francisco de la Cruz and Catalina de Garibai. Manuel and Josepha
> were married in 1692 in Tlaltenango.
>
> http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/showmedia.php?
> mediaID=94&medialinkID=92
>
> Josepha is, I believe, the granddaughter of Francisco de Escobedo,
> founder of Hacienda de San Andres Astillero later known as Monte
> Escobedo. She was the daughter of a Captain Juan de Escobedo who
> appears in other historical documents as the son of Francisco... only
> confusion is that there may have been two Juan Escobedos so she may be
> the great-granddaughter.
>
>

Congratulations Primo Joseph

Comment

Ok, now this is getting interesting , my gggrandmother was Quirina Saldivar Gomez married to Candelario Alvarado in Villa de Santiago , N.L. 1844 her father was Juan Jose Saldivar Rodrigues de Montemayor y Ayala and his father was Jose Gregorio Saldivar Rodriquez de Montemayor .

Welester

P.S. A great BIG congratulations Joseph !!!> > Where is the original message from Joseph? I've tried looking on our > website for it and have somehow missed it. I'm interested in the > Escobedos, who intermarried with Saldivars and Denas in the late 1700s > and early 1800s in Jerez. Marge:)> On Mar 10, 2008, at 12:52 PM, arturoramos wrote:> > >> > Joseph:> >> > That is amazing that you have been able to get that far back in your > > direct paternal lineage that quickly. I got stuck on that line in the > > 1750s, but have followed many others further back, including a couple > > that lead me back to Manuel de Leon and Josepha de Escobedo... which > > makes you my cousin... I suppose several times over.> >
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Congratulations Primo Joseph

Comment

The original message was called "A couple of fun facts"

Jose Carlos de Leon

Congratulations Primo Joseph

Comment

Thanks, Primo!
I'm been working on this for the last 10 years and if it hadn't been for NuestrosRanchos and all of my primos here, I wouldn't have gotten this far. After viewing several mirco-film these last few months (and confirming my suspicions) and with Joseph Puentes, Rosalinda Ruiz, Erlinda Castenon, you, and all the others I'd still be stuck. Of course, being 100 % retired now, I can devote 10 hours a day to that activity.

I copied your document and am presently studying it, thanks again!

Jose Carlos de Leon

The Americas

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I haven't fully checked out this site but if you type in "Mexico" in the
search engine you'll come up with several pages of art and who knows
what other things might be found:

http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/online_tours/americas.aspx

Luz Montejano - How to contact?

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Hello ,
Does anyone know how to contact Luz Montejano Genealogist from Mexico? She and I share some ancestry and I wanted to let her know that the family line she has been looking for is in my tree. Thanks if anyone knows a current email/contact for Luz,

Comments

Luz Montejano - How to contact?

Comment

Hello Yolanda,

Luz Montejano has a website that includes her contact information. This is
the URL: http://www.paginasprodigy.com/luzmontejano/

I don't know if the information is current since it's been a long time since
I've had any contact with Luz. I hope this helps.

Maria

> From: motherredcaps
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano - How to contact?
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
>
> Hello ,
> Does anyone know how to contact Luz Montejano Genealogist from Mexico? ...

> Yolanda

Maria Luisa González Hernández

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Hola a todos!

Aqui de nuevo "atorada" con mi investigación. La familia Gonzalez en Juchipila, Zacatecas termina con Bruno Gonzalez y Maria Prudencia Castaneda que son mis terceros bisabuelos y no se mas de ahi.

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Maria Luisa Gonzalez Hernandez de Tecolotlan

Comment

Hola a todos! Me extraña que nadie tenga esta información... :-)

Alguno de ustedes tendra informacion sobre este bautizo?

Maria Luisa Gonzalez Hernandez
Christened
22 JUN 1851 Corazon De Jesus, Tecolotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.:

C606132 1845 - 1855 1154548

GRACIAS!!

Maria Luisa Gonzalez Hernandez de Tecolotlan

Comment

Yo no la tengo Maria Luisa.

sandragomezmendoza wrote:
Hola a todos! Me extraña que nadie tenga esta información... :-)

Alguno de ustedes tendra informacion sobre este bautizo?

Maria Luisa Gonzalez Hernandez
Christened
22 JUN 1851 Corazon De Jesus, Tecolotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.:

C606132 1845 - 1855 1154548

GRACIAS!!

Research Digest, Vol 26, Issue 5

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Disculpen le error anterior cuando dije que La Vaqueria existia en el
municipio de Jalostotitlan. Sabia que habia oido de este rancho alguna
vez. En los 1920 a 1950, segun mi Papa, su cunada (mi tia politica) era

Research Digest, Vol 26, Issue 3

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Que no existe un rancho llamado La Vaqueria en el municipio de Jalostotitlan?
Irma Gomez Gtz de Lucero
***

Today's Topics:

1. La Vaqueria (jjramirezi)
2. Re: La Vaqueria (Juan Ramón Alvarez)

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La Vaqueria

Comment

De acuerdo al INEGI, no hay una Vaqueria ni en Jalos ni en San Miguel.
La pagina donde se pueden buscar las localidades (municipios y rancherias) del Estado de Jalisco es:

http://mapserver.inegi.gob.mx/mgn2k/?s=geo&c=954

Saludos,

Juan José Ramírez Ibarra
San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco

La Vaqueria

Comment

Entonces el INEGI (para variar) está mal.

jjramirezi wrote:
De acuerdo al INEGI, no hay una Vaqueria ni en Jalos ni en San Miguel.
La pagina donde se pueden buscar las localidades (municipios y rancherias) del Estado de Jalisco es:

http://mapserver.inegi.gob.mx/mgn2k/?s=geo&c=954

Saludos,

Juan José Ramírez Ibarra
San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco

Vaqueria en San Juan de los Lagos

Comment

Segun el Diccionario Geografico y Biografico de Mexico de Garcia Cubas, existen (mas bien existian en 1880 y posiblemente hayan cambiado de nombre) varios ranchos llamados Vaqueria en los Altos de Jalisco:

Uno en el canton segundo, municipalidad de San Juan de los Lagos; Otro del canton unidecimo, municipalidad de San Miguel.

http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm

Research Digest, Vol 26, Issue 3

Comment

Pregunta para Irma
¿De donde eres?

Irma GomezLucero wrote:
Que no existe un rancho llamado La Vaqueria en el municipio de Jalostotitlan?
Irma Gomez Gtz de Lucero
***

Today's Topics:

1. La Vaqueria (jjramirezi)
2. Re: La Vaqueria (Juan Ramón Alvarez)
3. Re: Sanchez y Valdivia de San Miguel el Alto (Rodolfo Sinai Gomez)
4. Re: Sanchez y Valdivia de San Miguel el Alto
(Jorge Luis Ram?rez G?mez)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:00:49 -0800 (PST)
From: jjramirezi
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] La Vaqueria
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Message-ID:

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Rick y Juan Ram?n, existe una rancheria llamada La vaqueria en San Juan de los Lagos (localidad 0148), aunque no pude encontrarla en el mapa, agregu? el listado y el mapa de localidades de San Juan en: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15162
Lo curioso es que aparece una localidad llamada Ojuelos en el mismo mapa, que de alguna forma concuerda con lo mencionado el el foro de discusion.

Saludos

Juan Jos? Ram?rez Ibarra
San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:26:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Juan "Ramón" Alvarez
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] La Vaqueria
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Message-ID: <704560.43237.qm@web56007.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Gracias Juan Jos?

jjramirezi wrote:
Rick y Juan Ram?n, existe una rancheria llamada La vaqueria en San Juan de los Lagos (localidad 0148), aunque no pude encontrarla en el mapa, agregu? el listado y el mapa de localidades de San Juan en: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15162
Lo curioso es que aparece una localidad llamada Ojuelos en el mismo mapa, que de alguna forma concuerda con lo mencionado el el foro de discusion.

Saludos

Juan Jos? Ram?rez Ibarra
San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco

Research Digest, Vol 26, Issue 3

Comment

Gracias Irma
Yo no se. Pero gracias

Irma GomezLucero wrote:
Que no existe un rancho llamado La Vaqueria en el municipio de Jalostotitlan?
Irma Gomez Gtz de Lucero
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Today's Topics:

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:00:49 -0800 (PST)
From: jjramirezi
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] La Vaqueria
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

Saludos

Juan Jos? Ram?rez Ibarra
San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco

------------------------------

Gracias Juan Jos?

Saludos

Juan Jos? Ram?rez Ibarra
San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco

Protocolos de Monterrey y Saltillo

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Does anyone know if there is an email adress for archives in Mazapil or Ciudad Zacatecas ?

Thanks,

Esther
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Lester Alvarado : --------------

Map from Spanish archives

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I just posted a scan of a a 1760 map of the "Fronteras de Colotlan" that I obtained from Archivo General de Indias.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16552

Comments

Protocolos de Monterrey y Saltillo

Comment

Hi Joseph and Arturo ,

This week-end is the conference in the Mexican state of Coahula in the city of Ramos Arispe . I just wanted to ask you guys if you thought it might be a good idea to put the protocolos of Monterry and Saltillo in the Nuestros Ranchos web site for the use of following where the descendents from the three states went afterwards. As you know some them went to Coahuila and Nuevo Leon .

If you think it might help , I will give Mickey or Josie a copy and when they get back to the states they can mail it to you .

Welester
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informacion sobre Pankurst, Lopez, Gutierrez

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Sylvia Corona:

Encontre la siguiente informacion en el indice, IGI:

Edmundo Gregorio Lopez-Gutierrez, nacido: 20 nov 1884 en D.F.; fallecido: 03 mayo 1955 en D.F.; esposa: Maria Gallardo-Porras.

Comments

informacion sobre Pankurst, Lopez, Gutierrez

Comment

Yo soy Bisnieto de Edmundo Gregorio López (Pankhurst) Gutierrez

Son ustedes familiares?

Vivo en la ciudad de Guadalajara

Saludos!

Guillermo Edmundo Núñez A.

informacion sobre Pankurst, Lopez, Gutierrez

Comment

Yo no soy, pero gracias

memonunez wrote:
Yo soy Bisnieto de Edmundo Gregorio López (Pankhurst) Gutierrez

Son ustedes familiares?

Vivo en la ciudad de Guadalajara

Saludos!

Guillermo Edmundo Núñez A.

Luis Tiscareño de Molina

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Bill,

No he encontrado mucho sobre el apellido Tiscareno en Espana, excepto que existe el lugar Tiscar, en Jaen. Pero, al ver los apellidos de Jaen y Ubeda, Molina se presenta abundamente y parece ser nombre ilustre. Ver, por ejemplo, Maria de Molina y Francisco de los Cobos y Molina. Es posible alguna rama se enlazo con la familia de Juan Tiscareno y fue el origen del nombre compuesto Tiscareno de Molina.

Comments

Luis Tiscareño de Molina

Comment

Bill,

Solamente un pensamiento....

Connie

---- Bill Figueroa wrote:

=============
Martin,

Que yo sepa, el primer Tiscareño que llegó a México fue Luis Tiscareño de
Molina. Se calcula que nació en Triana, Sevilla, España por el año de 1598.
Era hijo de Juan Tiscareño de Molina y de Elvira Márquez, probablemente
también originarios de Triana. No conozco el origen del nombre, pero me
imagino que es como tu dices, de ese lugar llamado Tiscar en Jaén, España.
Encontré el paso a Indias de otra persona con el apellido compuesto Torres
de Tiscareño, quien salió de España hacia el Perú en 1614. Ninguno de sus
padres llevaba el apellido Tiscareño, y al igual que nuestro ancestro, era
originario de Sevilla. Su partida aparece en el Archivo General de Indias
de la siguiente manera:

FECHA 1614-02-06 SIMON DE TORRES TISCAREÑO, natural de Sevilla, casado,
hijo de Alonso Sánchez de Olias y de Elvira de Fuentes, al Perú por
mercader. Información y licencia en CONTRATACION,5314,N.1,R.48,F.5v Véase
también CONTRATACION,5337,N.31 Véase también CONTRATACION,5339,N.28,F.3

Simón Torres de Tiscareño probablemente pasó a América antes que Luis
Tiscareño de Molina. Se me hace que el apellido es poco común en otras
partes del mundo. Yo nunca lo había oído hasta que empezé a investigar mi
genealogía en México. En Guatemala ese apellido no existe. Por si no la
has visto, el acta de matrimonio de Luis Tiscareño y Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza
dice lo siguiente:

El 16 de Mayo de 1623 en la Estancia de Morcenique feligresía de
Aguascalientes casaron el Capitán Luis de Tiscareño de Molina y Márquez hijo
de Juan Tiscareño de Molina y de Elvira Márquez; y Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza y
de Gabáy, siendo padrinos Francisco San Joseph de Montes de Oca y Anna Ruiz
de Esparza su mujer, y siendo testigos...Fernández de Valadez y Francisco
Macías Valadez y Salvador Ruiz de Esparza.

Es todo por hoy, Martin. Si encuentro algo interesante te aviso.

Saludos,

Bill

Luis Tiscareño de Molina

Comment

Wasnt Luis' name just Luis de Molina? He later added the Tiscareño to represent where he came from the Villa de Tiscar. According to his pasaporte de la catálogo a Indias. HE came from TIscar. Molina is an ilustrious last name, coming from the King of Castilla. -Daniel
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Comment

Hi Daniel,

I haven't been able to find Luis de Molina's "pase a Indias" in the Catálogo
de Pasajeros a Indias. Could you tell me on which date was it granted?

Thank you,
Hector Felix Aizcorbe

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[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Daniel
Mendez
Enviado el: Martes, 19 de Febrero de 2008 07:57 p.m.
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luis Tiscareño de Molina

Wasnt Luis' name just Luis de Molina? He later added the Tiscareño to
represent where he came from the Villa de Tiscar. According to his pasaporte
de la catálogo a Indias. HE came from TIscar. Molina is an ilustrious last
name, coming from the King of Castilla. -Daniel
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DNA

Comment

Recent emails have referred to DNA testing. I've been meaning to do this but
haven't researched the labs. I would appreciate any recommendations. Thanks.

____________________________________________________________________

DNA

Comment

Hi Raquel,

Go to www.familytreedna.com, you can get more info there and they'll even
send you the kit to your home.

Rick

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Raquel Ruiz
Enviado el: Sábado 1 de Marzo de 2008 1:14 PM
Para: Nuestros Ranchos
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA

Recent emails have referred to DNA testing. I've been meaning to do this
but
haven't researched the labs. I would appreciate any recommendations.
Thanks.

____________________________________________________________________

DNA

Comment

Raquel, I used this same lab for 3 dna tests and 1 mtda test, they cost abt $100.00, they were fast and answered any questions I had. I connected through the Gary Felix site so they could list my results in their program trying to find who our ancestors were in Mexico. We have a link in Nuestros Ranchos, check it out, it's facinating.

Linda in Everett

Rick Rodriguez wrote:
Hi Raquel,

Go to www.familytreedna.com, you can get more info there and they'll even
send you the kit to your home.

Rick

Recent emails have referred to DNA testing. I've been meaning to do this
but
haven't researched the labs. I would appreciate any recommendations.
Thanks.

____________________________________________________________________

DNA

Comment

Compare the prices of getting your genealogy test directly through
FamilyTreeDNA and by getting the exact tests as part of the "Genealogy
of Mexico Surname DNA Project"
http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm

as part of that study you get a group discount but check to make sure as
it was quite a while back when I did mine and I'm not sure that this is
still the case.

joseph

====================

Rick Rodriguez wrote:
> Hi Raquel,
>
> Go to www.familytreedna.com, you can get more info there and they'll even
> send you the kit to your home.
>
>
>
>
> Rick
>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Raquel Ruiz
> Enviado el: Sábado 1 de Marzo de 2008 1:14 PM
> Para: Nuestros Ranchos
> Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA
>
> Recent emails have referred to DNA testing. I've been meaning to do this
> but
> haven't researched the labs. I would appreciate any recommendations.
> Thanks.
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
>
>

Sanchez y Valdivia de San Miguel el Alto y Guadalupe Jalisco

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Estimados todos. Hace unos meses Ricardo Rodríguez me hizo el inmenso favor de proporcionarme el nombre de mis tatarabuelos por parte de la familia Valdivia y Sánchez, por lo cual estoy muy agradecido. La curiosidad insaciable del historiador me lleva a pedirles su ayuda para poder conocer la historia de esas familias y de ser posible el nombre de mis antepasados.

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Sanchez y Valdivia de San Miguel el Alto

Comment

Hola primo,
Gusto en volver a saber de ti. Ahí te va:

Cirila Sánchez Sánchez, hija de Gregorio Sanchez y Lucia Sanchez (casados el
1 de Febrero de 1884 en San Miguel el Alto [rollo #279454]), hasta ahí tengo
por el momento hasta que vaya a San Miguel o a algún centro familiar de LDS
a buscar el acta de matrimonio.

La gran mayoría de los Valdivia que yo conozco de San Miguel el Alto y de
aquí de Valle de Guadalupe son morenos, lo cual me hace creer que procedemos
por este lado en su mayoría de personas nativas de la región. Aunque te diré
que los de esta rama llevamos el apellido Valdivia proveniente del
matrimonio entre Sebastián Valdivia e Isabel Martin, aproximadamente por el
año de 1700 en Jalostotitlán. No sé si esta pareja haya sido la primera con
este apellido, quizás alguien del grupo tiene más información acerca de este
matrimonio. Si mis suposiciones son correctas, te vas a dar cuenta que la
línea paterna de esta rama Valdivia de San Miguel el Alto no será la misma
que la de otras ramas Valdivia de la región o de México.

Cuando encuentres mas información acerca de tu rama Valdivia me avisas para
poder compararla con la que yo tengo y ver si obtenemos los mismos datos
genealógicos. Es una buena manera de saber si no me he equivocado en mi
investigación.

Bueno primo, que estés bien y estamos en contacto.

Saludos,

Ricardo Rodríguez
Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Rodolfo
Sinai Gomez
Enviado el: Miércoles 27 de Febrero de 2008 9:16 AM
Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez y Valdivia de San Miguel el Alto y
Guadalupe Jalisco

Estimados todos. Hace unos meses Ricardo Rodríguez me hizo el inmenso favor
de proporcionarme el nombre de mis tatarabuelos por parte de la familia
Valdivia y Sánchez, por lo cual estoy muy agradecido. La curiosidad
insaciable del historiador me lleva a pedirles su ayuda para poder conocer
la historia de esas familias y de ser posible el nombre de mis antepasados.

Alguien tiene información de quienes fueron los primeros Valdivia en San
Miguel el Alto y cual era su procedencia? Alguno de ustedes puede decirme
quienes eran los padres de Cirila Sánchez Sánchez que casó con Juan Valdivia
Moreno? ellos son mis bisabuelos, padres de Agustina Valdivia Sánchez que
nació en San Miguel el Alto en febrero 20 de 1931.

Muchas gracias.

Saludos a todos.

Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez.
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Does anyone have any information on Sanchez Perales in Guanajuanto, Mexico?? He came over in 1910, married my grandmother Epifania Gonzales in Fort Collins, Colorado.? He said his father's name was Margarito Perales and mother was Tranquilina Sanchez from Guanajuanto.? If anyone has any information on where to look or have knowlege of this family please email me.(hillefresno@aol.com).? I've looked in the family search site also. Any help would be greatly appreciated.? Thank you.

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Sanchez Perales-Guanajuanto, Mexico

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Where in the state of Guanajuato?

Robbie Hille wrote: Does anyone have any information on Sanchez Perales in Guanajuanto, Mexico?? He came over in 1910, married my grandmother Epifania Gonzales in Fort Collins, Colorado.? He said his father's name was Margarito Perales and mother was Tranquilina Sanchez from Guanajuanto.? If anyone has any information on where to look or have knowlege of this family please email me.(hillefresno@aol.com).? I've looked in the family search site also. Any help would be greatly appreciated.? Thank you.

Christina
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He just said Guanajuanto, Guanajuanto.? I'm not sure if there is an town with the same name.

Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: "Juan "Ram?n" Alvarez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 9:09 am
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales-Guanajuanto, Mexico

Where in the state of Guanajuato?

Robbie Hille wrote: Does anyone have any information on
Sanchez Perales in Guanajuanto, Mexico?? He came over in 1910, married my
grandmother Epifania Gonzales in Fort Collins, Colorado.? He said his father's
name was Margarito Perales and mother was Tranquilina Sanchez from Guanajuanto.?
If anyone has any information on where to look or have knowlege of this family
please email me.(hillefresno@aol.com).? I've looked in the family search site
also. Any help would be greatly appreciated.? Thank you.

Christina
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Guanajuato is also de state's capital for the state of Guanajuato.

Robbie Hille wrote: He just said Guanajuanto, Guanajuanto.? I'm not sure if there is an town with the same name.

Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: "Juan "Ram?n" Alvarez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 9:09 am
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales-Guanajuanto, Mexico

Where in the state of Guanajuato?

Robbie Hille wrote: Does anyone have any information on
Sanchez Perales in Guanajuanto, Mexico?? He came over in 1910, married my
grandmother Epifania Gonzales in Fort Collins, Colorado.? He said his father's
name was Margarito Perales and mother was Tranquilina Sanchez from Guanajuanto.?
If anyone has any information on where to look or have knowlege of this family
please email me.(hillefresno@aol.com).? I've looked in the family search site
also. Any help would be greatly appreciated.? Thank you.

Christina
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Where should I search for information in that area?? Would you happen to know a web site or others that might help direct me?? Thank you for any information.

Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: "Juan "Ram?n" Alvarez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 9:46 am
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales-Guanajuanto, Mexico

Guanajuato is also de state's capital for the state of Guanajuato.

Robbie Hille wrote: He just said Guanajuanto,
Guanajuanto.? I'm not sure if there is an town with the same name.

Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: "Juan "Ram?n" Alvarez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 9:09 am
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales-Guanajuanto, Mexico

Where in the state of Guanajuato?

If anyone has any information on where to look or have knowlege of this family
please email me.(hillefresno@aol.com).? I've looked in the family search site
also. Any help would be greatly appreciated.? Thank you.

Christina
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That is a good question.
I would get in the internet. Search the Mormon church in these matters. Usually their records are acurate.

Robbie Hille wrote:
Where should I search for information in that area?? Would you happen to know a web site or others that might help direct me?? Thank you for any information.

Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: "Juan "Ram?n" Alvarez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 9:46 am
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales-Guanajuanto, Mexico

Guanajuato is also de state's capital for the state of Guanajuato.

Robbie Hille wrote: He just said Guanajuanto,
Guanajuanto.? I'm not sure if there is an town with the same name.

Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: "Juan "Ram?n" Alvarez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 9:09 am
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales-Guanajuanto, Mexico

Where in the state of Guanajuato?

Christina
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Try familysearch.org - it is an LDS web search site. Good luck! Esther Jordan - just joined in :)

Where should I search for information in that area?? Would you happen to know a
web site or others that might help direct me?? Thank you for any information.

Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: "Juan "Ram?n" Alvarez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 9:46 am
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales-Guanajuanto, Mexico

Guanajuato is also de state's capital for the state of Guanajuato.

Robbie Hille wrote: He just said Guanajuanto,
Guanajuanto.? I'm not sure if there is an town with the same name.

Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: "Juan "Ram?n" Alvarez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 9:09 am
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales-Guanajuanto, Mexico

Where in the state of Guanajuato?

name was Margarito Perales and mother was Tranquilina Sanchez from
Guanajuanto.?

If anyone has any information on where to look or have knowlege of this family

please email me.(hillefresno@aol.com).? I've looked in the family search site
also. Any help would be greatly appreciated.? Thank you.

Christina
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Yes I've tried on there site but with not enought information I haven't seen anything that is familiar or similar.? Thank you.-Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: Esther
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:15 am
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales-Guanajuanto, Mexico

Try familysearch.org - it is an LDS web search site. Good luck! Esther Jordan -
just joined in :)

Where should I search for information in that area?? Would you happen to know a
web site or others that might help direct me?? Thank you for any information.

Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: "Juan "Ram?n" Alvarez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 9:46 am
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales-Guanajuanto, Mexico

Guanajuato is also de state's capital for the state of Guanajuato.

Robbie Hille wrote: He just said Guanajuanto,
Guanajuanto.? I'm not sure if there is an town with the same name.

Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: "Juan "Ram?n" Alvarez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 9:09 am
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales-Guanajuanto, Mexico

Where in the state of Guanajuato?

name was Margarito Perales and mother was Tranquilina Sanchez from
Guanajuanto.?

If anyone has any information on where to look or have knowlege of this family

please email me.(hillefresno@aol.com).? I've looked in the family search site
also. Any help would be greatly appreciated.? Thank you.

Christina
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Dear Christina:
Have you tried ancestry.com and looked for Sanchez Perales's border crossing? Sometimes if you are lucky it lists the exact address in Mexico. If there is a library nearby with a genealogy center then they may have ancestry.com free of charge. Some of the LDS history centers also have ancestry.com. You need to have a more specific area, so you are not searching all over the entire state. I could not find Sanchez, Margarito or Tranguilina in familysearch and I did a search of the LDS library catalog for Guanajuanto and did not come up with anything either. Is Guanajuanto the correct spelling?

Maureen Bejar

Sanchez Perales

Comment

I have a picture of his brother Apolonio Perales with wife and children. It says at the bottom corner Guanajuanto,?Gato.? Isn't there a El gato in Mexico?? I'm waiting for the immigration application that I ordered.? Hopefully some light will start shining.? I was hoping there might be family out there that has some information.? Thank you Maureen.

-----Original Message-----
From: Maureen Bejar
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 2:46 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales

Dear Christina:
Have you tried ancestry.com and looked for Sanchez Perales's border
crossing? Sometimes if you are lucky it lists the exact address in Mexico. If
there is a library nearby with a genealogy center then they may have
ancestry.com free of charge. Some of the LDS history centers also have
ancestry.com. You need to have a more specific area, so you are not searching
all over the entire state. I could not find Sanchez, Margarito or Tranguilina
in familysearch and I did a search of the LDS library catalog for Guanajuanto
and did not come up with anything either. Is Guanajuanto the correct spelling?

Maureen Bejar

Sanchez Perales

Comment

Hi Robbie,

I believe Guanajuato, Gto refers to the city of Guanajuato, and state of
Guanajuato (Gto).

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Robbie
Hille
Enviado el: Lunes 25 de Febrero de 2008 5:05 PM
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales

I have a picture of his brother Apolonio Perales with wife and children. It
says at the bottom corner Guanajuanto,?Gato.? Isn't there a El gato in
Mexico?? I'm waiting for the immigration application that I ordered.?
Hopefully some light will start shining.? I was hoping there might be family
out there that has some information.? Thank you Maureen.

-----Original Message-----
From: Maureen Bejar
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 2:46 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales

Dear Christina:
Have you tried ancestry.com and looked for Sanchez Perales's border
crossing? Sometimes if you are lucky it lists the exact address in Mexico.
If
there is a library nearby with a genealogy center then they may have
ancestry.com free of charge. Some of the LDS history centers also have
ancestry.com. You need to have a more specific area, so you are not
searching
all over the entire state. I could not find Sanchez, Margarito or
Tranguilina
in familysearch and I did a search of the LDS library catalog for
Guanajuanto
and did not come up with anything either. Is Guanajuanto the correct
spelling?

Maureen Bejar

Sanchez Perales

Comment

Maybe that is it.? Do you know the names of any churches in that city?

Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Rodriguez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 3:20 pm
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales

Hi Robbie,

I believe Guanajuato, Gto refers to the city of Guanajuato, and state of
Guanajuato (Gto).

I have a picture of his brother Apolonio Perales with wife and children. It
says at the bottom corner Guanajuanto,?Gato.? Isn't there a El gato in
Mexico?? I'm waiting for the immigration application that I ordered.?
Hopefully some light will start shining.? I was hoping there might be family
out there that has some information.? Thank you Maureen.

-----Original Message-----
From: Maureen Bejar
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 2:46 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales

Dear Christina:
Have you tried ancestry.com and looked for Sanchez Perales's border
crossing? Sometimes if you are lucky it lists the exact address in Mexico.
If
there is a library nearby with a genealogy center then they may have
ancestry.com free of charge. Some of the LDS history centers also have
ancestry.com. You need to have a more specific area, so you are not
searching
all over the entire state. I could not find Sanchez, Margarito or
Tranguilina
in familysearch and I did a search of the LDS library catalog for
Guanajuanto
and did not come up with anything either. Is Guanajuanto the correct
spelling?

Maureen Bejar

Sanchez Perales

Comment

No I don't, sorry.

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Robbie
Hille
Enviado el: Lunes 25 de Febrero de 2008 7:29 PM
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales

Maybe that is it.? Do you know the names of any churches in that city?

Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Rodriguez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 3:20 pm
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales

Hi Robbie,

I believe Guanajuato, Gto refers to the city of Guanajuato, and state of
Guanajuato (Gto).

I have a picture of his brother Apolonio Perales with wife and children. It
says at the bottom corner Guanajuanto,?Gato.? Isn't there a El gato in
Mexico?? I'm waiting for the immigration application that I ordered.?
Hopefully some light will start shining.? I was hoping there might be family
out there that has some information.? Thank you Maureen.

-----Original Message-----
From: Maureen Bejar
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 2:46 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales

Dear Christina:
Have you tried ancestry.com and looked for Sanchez Perales's border
crossing? Sometimes if you are lucky it lists the exact address in Mexico.
If
there is a library nearby with a genealogy center then they may have
ancestry.com free of charge. Some of the LDS history centers also have
ancestry.com. You need to have a more specific area, so you are not
searching
all over the entire state. I could not find Sanchez, Margarito or
Tranguilina
in familysearch and I did a search of the LDS library catalog for
Guanajuanto
and did not come up with anything either. Is Guanajuanto the correct
spelling?

Maureen Bejar

Sanchez Perales

Comment

Hi Christina,

San Felipe is one of them.

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Robbie
Hille
Enviado el: Lunes 25 de Febrero de 2008 7:29 PM
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales

Maybe that is it.? Do you know the names of any churches in that city?

Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Rodriguez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 3:20 pm
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales

Hi Robbie,

I believe Guanajuato, Gto refers to the city of Guanajuato, and state of
Guanajuato (Gto).

I have a picture of his brother Apolonio Perales with wife and children. It
says at the bottom corner Guanajuanto,?Gato.? Isn't there a El gato in
Mexico?? I'm waiting for the immigration application that I ordered.?
Hopefully some light will start shining.? I was hoping there might be family
out there that has some information.? Thank you Maureen.

-----Original Message-----
From: Maureen Bejar
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 2:46 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales

Dear Christina:
Have you tried ancestry.com and looked for Sanchez Perales's border
crossing? Sometimes if you are lucky it lists the exact address in Mexico.
If
there is a library nearby with a genealogy center then they may have
ancestry.com free of charge. Some of the LDS history centers also have
ancestry.com. You need to have a more specific area, so you are not
searching
all over the entire state. I could not find Sanchez, Margarito or
Tranguilina
in familysearch and I did a search of the LDS library catalog for
Guanajuanto
and did not come up with anything either. Is Guanajuanto the correct
spelling?

Maureen Bejar

Sanchez Perales

Comment

Thank you Rick.

Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Rodriguez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 7:10 pm
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales

Hi Christina,

San Felipe is one of them.

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Robbie
Hille
Enviado el: Lunes 25 de Febrero de 2008 7:29 PM
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales

Maybe that is it.? Do you know the names of any churches in that city?

Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Rodriguez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 3:20 pm
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales

Hi Robbie,

I believe Guanajuato, Gto refers to the city of Guanajuato, and state of
Guanajuato (Gto).

I have a picture of his brother Apolonio Perales with wife and children. It
says at the bottom corner Guanajuanto,?Gato.? Isn't there a El gato in
Mexico?? I'm waiting for the immigration application that I ordered.?
Hopefully some light will start shining.? I was hoping there might be family
out there that has some information.? Thank you Maureen.

-----Original Message-----
From: Maureen Bejar
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 2:46 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales

Dear Christina:
Have you tried ancestry.com and looked for Sanchez Perales's border
crossing? Sometimes if you are lucky it lists the exact address in Mexico.
If
there is a library nearby with a genealogy center then they may have
ancestry.com free of charge. Some of the LDS history centers also have
ancestry.com. You need to have a more specific area, so you are not
searching
all over the entire state. I could not find Sanchez, Margarito or
Tranguilina
in familysearch and I did a search of the LDS library catalog for
Guanajuanto
and did not come up with anything either. Is Guanajuanto the correct
spelling?

Maureen Bejar

Sanchez Perales

Comment

Yo vivo en el estado de Guanajuato, este estado tiene 46 ciudades, hay que estar bien seguros de que tus parientes que buscas realmente son de la capital, del mismo nombre : ciudad Guanajuato, cualquier cosa que necesites, pidela
que con gusto te ayudare
Katia

> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:48:19 -0500> From: hillefresno@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales> > Thank you Rick.> > Christina> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Rick Rodriguez > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 7:10 pm> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales> > > > Hi Christina,> > San Felipe is one of them.> > > > -----Mensaje original-----> De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Robbie> Hille> Enviado el: Lunes 25 de Febrero de 2008 7:29 PM> Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales> > > Maybe that is it.? Do you know the names of any churches in that city?> > > > Christina> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Rick Rodriguez > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 3:20 pm> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales> > > > > Hi Robbie,> > I believe Guanajuato, Gto refers to the city of Guanajuato, and state of> Guanajuato (Gto).> > > -----Mensaje original-----> De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Robbie> Hille> Enviado el: Lunes 25 de Febrero de 2008 5:05 PM> Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales> > I have a picture of his brother Apolonio Perales with wife and children. It> says at the bottom corner Guanajuanto,?Gato.? Isn't there a El gato in> Mexico?? I'm waiting for the immigration application that I ordered.?> Hopefully some light will start shining.? I was hoping there might be family> out there that has some information.? Thank you Maureen.> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Maureen Bejar > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 2:46 pm> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales> > > > > Dear Christina:> Have you tried ancestry.com and looked for Sanchez Perales's border > crossing? Sometimes if you are lucky it lists the exact address in Mexico.> If > there is a library nearby with a genealogy center then they may have > ancestry.com free of charge. Some of the LDS history centers also have > ancestry.com. You need to have a more specific area, so you are not> searching > all over the entire state. I could not find Sanchez, Margarito or> Tranguilina > in familysearch and I did a search of the LDS library catalog for> Guanajuanto > and did not come up with anything either. Is Guanajuanto the correct> spelling?> > Maureen Bejar> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > > ________________________________________________________________________> More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! -> http://webmail.aol.com> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > > ________________________________________________________________________> More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! -> http://webmail.aol.com> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > > ________________________________________________________________________> More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Sanchez Perales

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I am sorry I don't speak or write in Spanish. How do you know if my grandfather is from there? Do you know any Sanchez Perales? We were not left with a whole lot of information before my grandfather passed. He said his father's name was Margarito Perales and mother Tranquilina Sanchez and only one know brother Apolonio Perales that stayed in Mexico with his wife and 3 children(known). Thank you for any help or information.

Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: Katia Cañedo
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 7:58 pm
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales

o vivo en el estado de Guanajuato, este estado tiene 46 ciudades, hay que estar
ien seguros de que tus parientes que buscas realmente son de la capital, del
ismo nombre : ciudad Guanajuato, cualquier cosa que necesites, pidela
ue con gusto te ayudare
atia

To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:48:19 -0500> From:
illefresno@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales> > Thank
ou Rick.> > Christina> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Rick Rodriguez
rickrod.com@gmail.com>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Sent: Mon, 25 Feb
008 7:10 pm> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales> > > > Hi
hristina,> > San Felipe is one of them.> > > > -----Mensaje original-----> De:
esearch-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org]
n nombre de Robbie> Hille> Enviado el: Lunes 25 de Febrero de 2008 7:29 PM>
ara: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez
erales> > > Maybe that is it.? Do you know the names of any churches in that
ity?> > > > Christina> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Rick Rodriguez
rickrod.com@gmail.com>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Sent: Mon, 25 Feb
008 3:20 pm> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales> > > > > Hi
obbie,> > I believe Guanajuato, Gto refers to the city of Guanajuato, and state
f> Guanajuato (Gto).> > > -----Mensaje original-----> De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org>
mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Robbie> Hille>
nviado el: Lunes 25 de Febrero de 2008 5:05 PM> Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
sunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales> > I have a picture of his
rother Apolonio Perales with wife and children. It> says at the bottom corner
uanajuanto,?Gato.? Isn't there a El gato in> Mexico?? I'm waiting for the
mmigration application that I ordered.?> Hopefully some light will start
hining.? I was hoping there might be family> out there that has some
nformation.? Thank you Maureen.> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Maureen
ejar > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Sent: Mon,
5 Feb 2008 2:46 pm> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales> > > > > Dear
hristina:> Have you tried ancestry.com and looked for Sanchez Perales's border
crossing? Sometimes if you are lucky it lists the exact address in Mexico.> If
there is a library nearby with a genealogy center then they may have >
ncestry.com free of charge. Some of the LDS history centers also have >
ncestry.com. You need to have a more specific area, so you are not> searching >
ll over the entire state. I could not find Sanchez, Margarito or> Tranguilina >
n familysearch and I did a search of the LDS library catalog for> Guanajuanto >
nd did not come up with anything either. Is Guanajuanto the correct> spelling?>
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Private Email - Please: Victor Villasenor - was - Sanchez Peral

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Sorry I was kind of asleep at the wheel or should I say busy beyond
belief.

I would like to request that all the interested parties on this
Guanajuato thread please take it to private email. It has gone on way
way way tooooooooo long. I'd also suggest that for great help and
information on Guanajuato that you try Jonathan Walkers MexicanFHR
group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mexicanfhr/ Jonathan is truly a
great researcher and very very helpful. Rootsweb also has a group
dedicated to this estado.

Now what were we saying about Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes
??? Victor Villasenor??? Aren't his books about Los Altos? How factual
are his novels? Are they worth reading to get a sense of what really was
going on?

thanks,

joseph

====================

Robbie Hille wrote:
> I am sorry I don't speak or write in Spanish. How do you know if my grandfather is from there? Do you know any Sanchez Perales? We were not left with a whole lot of information before my grandfather passed. He said his father's name was Margarito Perales and mother Tranquilina Sanchez and only one know brother Apolonio Perales that stayed in Mexico with his wife and 3 children(known). Thank you for any help or information.
>
> Christina
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Katia Cañedo
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 7:58 pm
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales
>

Private Email - Please: Victor Villasenor - was - Sanchez Peral

Comment

Sorry for intruding. Someone gave me this site as a good source for finding ancestors since I have found many on ancestry.com and also family search, among many others. Thank you to all who responded. I will take the advice and look else where. Many thanks.

Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 7:29 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Private Email - Please: Victor Villasenor - was - Re: Sanchez Perales

Sorry I was kind of asleep at the wheel or should I say busy beyond
elief.
I would like to request that all the interested parties on this
uanajuato thread please take it to private email. It has gone on way
ay way tooooooooo long. I'd also suggest that for great help and
nformation on Guanajuato that you try Jonathan Walkers MexicanFHR
roup: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mexicanfhr/ Jonathan is truly a
reat researcher and very very helpful. Rootsweb also has a group
edicated to this estado.
Now what were we saying about Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes
?? Victor Villasenor??? Aren't his books about Los Altos? How factual
re his novels? Are they worth reading to get a sense of what really was
oing on?
thanks,
joseph
====================
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obbie Hille wrote:
I am sorry I don't speak or write in Spanish. How do you know if my
randfather is from there? Do you know any Sanchez Perales? We were not left
ith a whole lot of information before my grandfather passed. He said his
ather's name was Margarito Perales and mother Tranquilina Sanchez and only one
now brother Apolonio Perales that stayed in Mexico with his wife and 3
hildren(known). Thank you for any help or information.

Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: Katia Cañedo
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 7:58 pm
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales

Sanchez Perales

Comment

De nada Christina

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Robbie
Hille
Enviado el: Lunes 25 de Febrero de 2008 9:48 PM
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales

Thank you Rick.

Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Rodriguez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 7:10 pm
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales

Hi Christina,

San Felipe is one of them.

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Robbie
Hille
Enviado el: Lunes 25 de Febrero de 2008 7:29 PM
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales

Maybe that is it.? Do you know the names of any churches in that city?

Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Rodriguez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 3:20 pm
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales

Hi Robbie,

I believe Guanajuato, Gto refers to the city of Guanajuato, and state of
Guanajuato (Gto).

I have a picture of his brother Apolonio Perales with wife and children. It
says at the bottom corner Guanajuanto,?Gato.? Isn't there a El gato in
Mexico?? I'm waiting for the immigration application that I ordered.?
Hopefully some light will start shining.? I was hoping there might be family
out there that has some information.? Thank you Maureen.

-----Original Message-----
From: Maureen Bejar
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 2:46 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales

Dear Christina:
Have you tried ancestry.com and looked for Sanchez Perales's border
crossing? Sometimes if you are lucky it lists the exact address in Mexico.
If
there is a library nearby with a genealogy center then they may have
ancestry.com free of charge. Some of the LDS history centers also have
ancestry.com. You need to have a more specific area, so you are not
searching
all over the entire state. I could not find Sanchez, Margarito or
Tranguilina
in familysearch and I did a search of the LDS library catalog for
Guanajuanto
and did not come up with anything either. Is Guanajuanto the correct
spelling?

Maureen Bejar

Archivo Historico de Localidades

Comment

If anyone needs to find out where a certain rancho is located, you can look
it up on the following site:

http://mapserver.inegi.gob.mx/AHL/inicio.do

This database contains names of ranchos from all places in Mexico. Hope this
is helpful.

Ricardo Rodriguez
Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

Sanchez Perales

Comment

It is the correct speling.

Maureen Bejar wrote:
Dear Christina:
Have you tried ancestry.com and looked for Sanchez Perales's border crossing? Sometimes if you are lucky it lists the exact address in Mexico. If there is a library nearby with a genealogy center then they may have ancestry.com free of charge. Some of the LDS history centers also have ancestry.com. You need to have a more specific area, so you are not searching all over the entire state. I could not find Sanchez, Margarito or Tranguilina in familysearch and I did a search of the LDS library catalog for Guanajuanto and did not come up with anything either. Is Guanajuanto the correct spelling?

Maureen Bejar

Sanchez Perales

Comment

Yes that is the correct spelling. From what others are telling me he must have lived in the capital city of Guanajuanto.

Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: "Juan "Ram?n" Alvarez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 6:38 pm
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales

It is the correct speling.

Maureen Bejar wrote:
Dear Christina:
Have you tried ancestry.com and looked for Sanchez Perales's border crossing?
Sometimes if you are lucky it lists the exact address in Mexico. If there is a
library nearby with a genealogy center then they may have ancestry.com free of
charge. Some of the LDS history centers also have ancestry.com. You need to have
a more specific area, so you are not searching all over the entire state. I
could not find Sanchez, Margarito or Tranguilina in familysearch and I did a
search of the LDS library catalog for Guanajuanto and did not come up with
anything either. Is Guanajuanto the correct spelling?

Maureen Bejar

Searching for Obituaries?

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Genealogy Research

Does anyone have a good source for old newspaper Obituaries? I am looking for an obituary that would have been posted about six years ago.

Also, has anyone ever used this service:
http://oa.newsbank.com/oa-search/we/Archives/

Comments

Searching for Obituaries?

Comment

Just a thought. but Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness:
http://www.raogk.org/listing.htm has folks all over that will go to the
city in question and either go to a graveyard and take photos or
possibly look up obituaries from the local libraries microfilms. Or you
could just call the city in question and request a specific obituary if
you have the date.

joseph

====================

aajay1073 wrote:
> Does anyone have a good source for old newspaper Obituaries? I am looking for an obituary that would have been posted about six years ago.
>
> Also, has anyone ever used this service:
> http://oa.newsbank.com/oa-search/we/Archives/
>
> The site charges per obituary and I wanted to find out if it was worth it before purchasing. Also, wanted to make sure the site was reputable.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help,
> Angie Godina
>

gracias primo WILL

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Celts, Visigoths and Greeks in Spain

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You mean the Visigoths coming to Spain during the middle ages, right?

The Celts, according to this article (and others I have read) had settled
in Spain even prior to the Romans who came around 200 B.C.

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Celts, Visigoths and Greeks in Spain

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SORRY! YOU're RIGHT THE "CELTS" WERE IN SPAIN BUT NOT AS CELTS. THERE WAS A GERMANIC TRIBE THAT I ALSO DESCEND FROM; NAMED THE SUEVI, WHO SETTLED IN GALICIA, ESPAñA. THE SUEVI ARE IN A SENSE THE CELTS. CORRECT IF IM WRONG ACCORDING TO WIKIPEDIA, THE CELTS TRAVELED TO FRANCE AND SETTLED WITH THE FRANKS AND OTHERS, A PART OF THEM BROKE OFF AND WENT TO SPAIN AND WERE THE SUEVI. ITS A BIT CONFUSING, BUT SINCE THE VISIGOTHS WERE THE DOMINANT ONES IN SPAIN THEY EASILY MIXED WITH ALL SUEVI AND CELTS, AND BASICALLY WIPED THEM OUT AND CONQUERED THEM. FROM 500AD OR SO THEY WERE ALL KNOWN AS NOW VISIGOTHS. THE ENGLISH ALL DESCEND FROM CELTISH ORIGIN. THE FIRST PERSON TO EVER USE MéNDEZ AS A SURNAME WAS THE CHILDREN OF HERMENEGILDO MAUREGáTEZ (THIS SURNAME NO LONGER EXSITS), cONDE DE CELANOVA.
THE REASON WHY I HIGLIGHTED THESE TOP LETTERS. ARE SPELLED MENDO, WHICH IS A GERMANIC NAME MEANING WISE OR PHILISOPHICAL. HE WAS GRANDCHILD OF THE KING OF ASTURIAS, ALFONSO I, THAT IS HOW I DESCEND FROM MANY OF MY LINES TO ALFONSO I, THAT IS WHY IM SAYING IF ANYONE HAS THE -EZ IN THEIR LAST NAME THEY ARE RELATED. ALL THESE PATRONíMICOS, IT WAS VISIGOTH CUSTOM TO ADD THE -EZ, IZ OR AZ OR OZ AFTER THE FATHERS NAME TO SIGNIFY CHILD OF...THERE WAS ANOTHER FORM OF PATRONíMICO BASED ON THE FATHER'S NAME THEY WOULD JUST GIVE THE CHILD THE FATHER NAME AS THE CHILD LAST NAME. LIKE kING gARCíA i HAD KIDS HIS DAUGHTER WAS JUANA GARCíA, PRINCESA DE PAMPLONA. OBVIOUSLY THE GARCíAS ARE RELATED. THE ONLY TYPES OF SURNAMES THAT ARENT OR KNOWN TO BE RELATED ARE CARACTERíSTICAS, LIKE joSé cALVO OR jUAN dELGADO, LIKE THOSE. THE FATHERS FISRT NAME CALLED, NOMOPATRON, LIKE GARCíA WASN'T SO POPULAR BECAUSE IT WASNT GERMAN. ALFONSO i DESCENDANTS CAN BE RODRíGUEZ, méNDEZ, GUTIéRREZ, GONZáLEZ, MUNóZ, NúñEZ, AND SO ON...FOR YOU MENDOZAS OUT THERE. HURTADO IS THE OTHER UNPOPULAR FORM I WAS TALKING ABOUT. HURTADO WAS A MAN'S NAME. YáñEZ IS AN INTERESTING ONE IT WAS CREATED UNTIL THEY WENT TO PORTUGAL. ABOUT 1100 OR SO. IM NOT SAYING ALL THESE LAST NAMES WERE 1ST COUSINS, THAT IS HOW IT STARTED. BUT LATER IT SPREAD.
IF YOU TAKE A GONZALEZ PERSON AND EVENTUALLY KEEP GOING UNTIL THE MIDDLE AGES YOU WILL FIND HIS DIRECT ANCESTOR ON HIS GONZALEZ LINE WILL GO BACK TO ALFONSO i, IF SEEN IT IN ALL LAST NAMES THAT ARE PATRONíMICO. i CAN GO ON ON ABOUT THIS SUBJECT. ITS SO FASCINATING, BUT FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, I HOPE THIS HELPS ESPERANZA! -dANIEL méNDEZ DEL cAMINO
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Celts, Visigoths and Greeks in Spain

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You are right of course, the Germanic invasion of Spain is clear, however
there also appears to be other inhabitants to the Iberian peninsula that
predates the Germans, such as the Celts, who the Greeks defined as those that lived
in the most westerly part of Europe.

Having said that, there seems to be evidence that the Celts had traveled
throughout Europe even before Spain....being the first to spread the
Indo-European race and language...which further contributes to the confusion.

Nevertheless, there is no denial that both of our realities are
correct....as is the reality of African Moorish ancestry of Spain...whom are believed to
have arrived along with the Celts initially....and later on of course, after
the Visgoths.

History is fascinating...isn't it....especially as pertains to our
geneology....

Esperanza

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