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Sorry to write as a stranger, but I read the emails and yours caught my
eye. I
live in Northern California and wonder where they are meeting. I haven't had
much luck with Nuestros, but it could be that I'm not researching correctly.
It might help if I could join the meeting and learn. I'd appreciate it if you
could give me info on that meedting. Thanks, Lupe

Quoting John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net>:

> Hi Joseph:
>
> The Northern California group has a meeting scheduled for May 17. I am
> thinking about attending it.
>
>
> John Gonzalez
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Puentes"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:20
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Invitation
>
>
>> I want to go, but I'll wait until you all have one up North again, I
>> meant up in Northern North Carolina that is.
>>
>> Thanks Primo John for the invitation but for now I think I'll have to
>> pass.
>>
>> joseph
>

Gilbert and Ranchos Members,

Check out the TX Gen Web Project, this site has quite alot of info on Texas cemeteries and other information. If you look under El Paso cemeteries you will find Smelertown AKA La Calavera cemetery. My cousin Margaret and I have worked on this database and are in the process of uploading more data. We walked the cemetery and photographed at least half of tombs. Talk about old wooden crosses,it's an old western graveyard covered in soot, sand and Chamiso bushes. It's a beauty and I love it up there in the shadow of ASARCO smokestack and nestled between the Franklin Mountains and the Rio Grande.
We also walked and photographed some of Evergreen Cemetery in Central El Paso. A good contact person is Doris Harrison if you have any questions. She is the Web Master and a wonderful genealogists.

Buena Suerte
Yolanda Medina Perez in El Paso

Gilbert Keas wrote:
Alicia & John...

Thank you both for your thoughts on the cemetery in Teocaltiche. My father
is buried at Fort Hancock, Texas (just east of El Paso about 60 miles) and
there are many weathered wood crosses marking unnamed graves. When we return
from Mexico, I will order a couple more LDS films for further Teocaltiche
research.

John, do you have the telephone number for your sister-in-law's "Agencia de
Viajes Ramon"?

Sincerely,
Gilbert

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org - Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 2:34 PM

>Gilbert:
>
>Alicia is right about the cemeteries in Mexico. My wife is from
Teocaltiche
>and we were there, visiting, last November. The cemetery is easy to find,
>it is in the South part of town, probably about 1/4 of a mile from the
>Parroquia de Nuestra Señora de Los Dolores, which is right in the middle of
>town. Teocaltiche's cemetery is fairly well kept and visited by many
people
>since it is so close to town.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alicia Carrillo"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:56

> Gilbert,
> Don't expect to find a great deal of information in the Mexican
> cemeteries...

For a quick and easy answer....I would recommend a DNA test.
Such as the study being done by National Geographic...go to their site, then click on to The Genographic Project.
Lots of Luck....
Helyn
San Jose, CA

acalleros wrote:

So far this is what I know:

In 1900 Salvador Quintero Del Rio was born in Jalisco (sepculated due to the tattoos on his arm).
In 1934 my Father was born in Monterrey, NL (first born)
I can not even guesstimate the time Salavador might have married my grandmother (Paula Gamez, born in Coahuila, don't know date yet) because of stories I have heard of her having several miscarriages and the fact that Paula was a widow when she married Salvador, but I am planning an interrogation soon to see when they were married and where. He and his mother were very light skinned.

I speculate considering the tattoos on Salvadors and his mothers arm, that he and his mother (and possibly father, who is never spoken of) might have been immigrants. He did not have an accent when speaking spanish, at least no one noticed or mentioned it, which makes me believe one of two things. If he was an immigrant, he arrived at a very early age and/or he came from country whose language is similar enough to Spanish that he and his family caught on quick, such as Spain, Italy etc...

America Calleros
Researching (Quintero Del Rio)

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Helyn.

The link Pueblosamerica.com is just great! I had been looking for
"Minillas de Jerez" for the longest time in the vicinity of Jerez without
success. There is no such place in Jerez. I typed "Minillas de Jerez" in
the "search block" and it came back with "Minillas" in Genaro Codina! I
have been searching in the wrong place all this time.

Thank you Helyn.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
1gnzlz@verizon.net

Hello Esther! Is the Portuzuelo you refer to in Tamazula de Gordiano? My father's family is from their, im a 3rd cousin to Linda by the way. Who is López Ornelas? I am also a Ornelas from the Portuguese Kings. I'll help anyone with their Ornelas line. I will keep in touch with you, who is from Zapotlán? I have some lines from Sayula, Jalisco. -Daniel Méndez del Camino
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Monday, March 31, 2008

Dear Esther-

It is hard to keep up with all the emails one receives
when on vacation. I read this one with interest
today.

I do not know where Sayula is because my husband does
not apparently have any ancestors from there. I did
see the information sent to you by Jonathan. Seems
like some of the area you are seeking information
from, is in the same places that I have search in
years past.

On one of our outings, we stopped by La Barca. It was
on a Sunday and in the plaza, people were voting for
local leaders. We went by the church, which is off to
the side and not on the plaza square.

On our way to the Guadalajara airport on Friday, we
passed through Jamay and I can report that Lake
Chapala does have adequate water at this time. I have
visited there in the past when the water level was
quite low.

I have also done research in Ocotlan but never in
Zapotlan del Rey.

Looking forward to getting together with you on your
return to California.

Sincerely,
Patricia Diane Godinez
AKA Patricia Burton
San Diego

--- Esther wrote:

> I am very excited to be in this genealogy group. I
> have been reading all your e-mails and I like
> learning about the history. Thank you! I was born
> in Jamay, Jalisco and came to the U.S. when I was 6
> years old. My history knowledge is not good but it
> is never too late to learn.
>
> What I know of my great-grandmother: Maria
> Guadalupe Vaca Velazquez was born 12 DEC 1882
> (However, the date may have been changed because she
> did not want it known that she was older than Great
> grandpa Lorenzo Gutierrez.) She was born in
> Portezuelo, Jalisco. She died 11 MAY 1965. My
> great grandfather's family were from Ocotlan,
> Jalisco but I am not sure whether he was born in
> Ocotlan or Portezuelo. A live relative told me
> that he was born in Portezuelo and I would like to
> know for sure. They were married in Jamay 26
> November 1902. My Great grandpa died March 1939.
>
> His father was Secundino Gutierrez married to Maria
> Juana Ruiz on 5 SEP 1855 in Zapotlan del Rey,
> Jalisco. His family were also from there.
>
> Rosendo Vaca married Anastacia Velazquez at
> Portezuelo, Jalisco. Rosendo was shot and killed
> before my great grandma was born. Anastacia later
> remarried with some one named Cerda. I have other
> details but I am visiting my dauther in Virginia at
> the present time.
>
> Maria Dolores Davila Diaz was born in Sayula,
> Jalisco around 1869. Her father was Teofilo Diaz,
> born 9 JAN 1834, in Sayula. Hw was married 25 SEP
> 1854. Her mother was Maria Davila. I have her
> brothers and sisters but again I have the info at
> home.
>
> I am happy to share whatever information I have.
>
> --Esther Jordan

Esther,

I have done some looking, I have done a new Ahnentafel Chart for you with
some things, that I have found. I can send you a gedcom file with
everything in it.

Jonathan

Ahnentafel Chart for Graciela Esther Lopez Mendoza

Third Generation

4. Felipe Lopez was born on 23 Aug 1898 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He died
on 21 Feb 1989 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He was buried on 22 Feb 1989 in
Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He married Carmen Ornelas on 7 Jul 1917.

5. Carmen Ornelas was born on 28 Nov 1900 in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico.
She died on 7 Nov 1996 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico.

6. Librado Mendoza was born on 28 May 1899 in Colma, Colima, Mexico. He
died on 9 Jan 1980 in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. He was buried on 11 Jan
1980 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He married Librada Gutierrez on 6 Jun 1923
in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico.

7. Librada Gutierrez was born on 20 Jul 1903 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
She was christened on 24 Jul 1903 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. She died on 3
Sep 1994 in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. She was buried in Jamay, Jalisco,
Mexico.

Fourth Generation

8. JOSE DE JESUS LOPES BELASCO was born on 29 Jun 1858 in Rancho La Barca,
Jalisco, Mexico. He was christened on 29 Jun 1858 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico.
He died on 30 Oct 1935 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He was buried in Jamay,
Jalisco, Mexico. He married Ruperta Jimenez or Sisneros.

9. Ruperta Jimenez or Sisneros was born about 1863 in Rancho La Barca,
Jalisco, Mexico. She died about 1908 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico.

10. Doroteo Ornelas was born in Penjamo, Guanajuato, Mexico. He married
Rosa Cortez.

11. Rosa Cortez was born about 1881 in Santa Cruz de Astilleros, Jalisco,
Mexico.

12. JOSE LIBRADO DE LA TRINIDAD MENDOSA SANCHES was born in La Barca,
Jalisco, Mexico. He was christened on 17 Aug 1856 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico.
He died in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. He was buried on 11 Jun 1927 in
Jalisco, Mexico. He married Maria Dolores Diaz.

13. Maria Dolores Diaz was born in 1864 in Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico.

14. Lorenzo Gutierrez was born on 10 Aug 1882 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
He died in Mar 1939 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He married Maria Guadalupe
Vaca Velasquez on 26 Nov 1902 in Mexico.

15. Maria Guadalupe Vaca Velasquez was born on 12 Dec 1882 in Portezuelo,
Jalisco, Mexico. She died on 11 May 1965 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. She was
buried in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico.

Fifth Generation

16. JOSE RAFAEL LOPEZ AGUILAR was born in Michoacan. He was christened on
19 Apr 1833 in La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico. He married Maria Guadalupe
Velasco.

17. Maria Guadalupe Velasco was born in Michoacan.

18. TRINIDAD JIMENEZ .TRINIDAD married Cevera Murillo on 11 Feb 1852 in
Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.

19. Cevera Murillo .

22. Santos Cortez was born in Santa Cruz, Jalisco, Mexico. He married
Leocadia Garcia de Leon on 21 May 1866 in Jesus, Guadalajara, Jalisco,
Mexico.

23. Leocadia Garcia de Leon was born in Santa Cruz, Jalisco, Mexico.

24. Gregorio Mendoza .Gregorio married Geronima Sanchez.

25. Geronima Sanchez .

26. TEOFILO DIAS NINO was born on 9 Jan 1834 in Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico.
He was christened on 9 Jan 1834 in Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico. He married Maria
Davila on 25 Sep 1854 in Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico.

27. Maria Davila .

28. SECUNDINO DE LA ASENCION GUTIERRES NAVARRO was christened on 16 May
1833 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. He married MA. JUANA RUIS on 5 Sep 1855 in
Zapotlan del Rey, Jalisco, Mexico.

29. MA. JUANA RUIS .

30. Rosendo Vaca .Rosendo married Anastacia Velasquez in Portezuelo,
Jalisco, Mexico.

31. Anastacia Velasquez .

Sixth Generation

32. Antonio Lopez .Antonio married Lugarda Aguilar.

33. Lugarda Aguilar .

34. MANUEL VELASCO .MANUEL married MARIA ESTEFANIA ORTEGA.

35. MARIA ESTEFANIA ORTEGA .

44. Guadalupe Cortez .Guadalupe married Vicenta Cortez.

45. Vicenta Cortez .

46. Julian Garcia de Lion .Julian married Jesus Zatarai.

47. Jesus Zatarai .

48. Francisco Mendoza .Francisco married Maria Dias.

49. Maria Dias .

50. Ambrosio Sanchez .Ambrosio married Manuela Sanchez.

51. Manuela Sanchez .

52. JOSE RAMON DIAZ .JOSE married MARIA ANASTACIA DE JESUS NINO on 4 Dec
1808 in Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico.

53. MARIA ANASTACIA DE JESUS NINO .

56. JOSE ANTONIO GUTIERRES .JOSE married MARIA DE JESUS NABARRO on 16 Oct
1822 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.

57. MARIA DE JESUS NABARRO .
58. NICOLAS RUIZ .NICOLAS married MA. DE JESUS RIVAS.

59. MA. DE JESUS RIVAS .

Seventh Generation

104. VICENTE DIAZ .VICENTE married JUANA FLORES.

105. JUANA FLORES .

106. JOSE ANTONIO NINO .JOSE married MARIA NICOLASA DIAS.

107. MARIA NICOLASA DIAS .

Felix, find out who sisto was married to and if this is yours, I have more when you verify Sisto wife , and if this is your ancestor.
----- Original Message -----
From: Felix De La Torre
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 27, Issue 10

Thanks! This is wonderful information. I am sure that is my
Great-Grandfather, Sixto. My De La Torre line is from Santa Ana and I
believe the Narcisa Romo is related to the Father Toribio Romo, who is
now a Saint.

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Miggy
GUTIERREZ
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:16 AM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 27, Issue 10

I have a Sixto(Sisto) de la Torre born April 1, 1876 born In Santana
Jalisco, near Jalos son of Jose Bentura de Jesus de la Torre born of
his second marriage to Narcisa Romo. Benturas first wife was Maria
Feliciana de Jesus Alvarez.
Miggy
----- Original Message -----
From: Irma GomezLucero>
To:
research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
.com>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 27, Issue 10

Good question Miggy. My family is also from Jalos, and we live in the
Sacto area. I recall my father talking about a "Guero Torres." Does
this rink a bell? If so, I can ask my dad for further info. I have
de
la Torre in my lines....
Irma Gomez Gutierrez de Lucero

Message: 7
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:31:29 -0700
From: "Miggy GUTIERREZ"
>>
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre
To:
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Felix, who is Sisto married to and which son do do descend from. I
may
have your answers?
----- Original Message -----
From: Felix De La
Torre.
net>>
To:
research@nuestrosranchos.org:
research@nuestrosranchos.org>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre

Ronnie,

I would be interested in any information concerning the De La Torre
line
from Jalostotitlan. My great Grandfather was Sisto De La Torre and
have
been unable to find any information about him to get things started.

J. Felix De La Torre
Sacramento

Put in your county and the word library on google. Then go to card catalogue under title put the name of the book or you can search author. If it is in any library it will tell you which one and if it is a permenant houseing or transferable to one nearest you. Must have a library card to transfer. goodluck

----- Original Message ----
From: Ronald Reynoso
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 10:36:58 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's Book

Hello Everyone,I live in Claremont ,Calif. about 30 miles east of Los Angeles.Does anybody know what local library carries Luz Montejano 's book in my area? Thank you
Ronnie Reynoso

Dear Cindy:
Then the Mexican Census in 1930 will be what you might want to look at.
It may show your mother's and father's families. From there you will know
the grandparents names. Also looking at the LDS microfilms if available for
your mother's and father's births may also list the grandparents on both
sides. I put in Acatic Mexico in familysearch. I am not sure if this is
your Acatic or if there is another Acatic in Mexico. You may want to find
out then order the microfilms, if this is your Acatic. See links below:

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.as…
play=titledetails&titleno=154073&disp=Registros+parroquiales%20%20&columns=*
,0,0

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.as…
play=localitydetails&subject=178118&subject_disp=M%C3%A9xico%2C+Jalisco%2C+A
catic&columns=*,0,0

Maureen

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of cindy
gutierrez
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:37 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre

Dear Maureen,

My father was the first one of his family to come to the states, that was in
1956. His father died when he was 7 and his mother died in 1964 in Acatic.
His 2 brothers followed here, and my Aunts only live here part time, and
that only started a few years ago. My fathers cousins are here, but I know
nothing about them other than they came in the 1970-1980's. I am hoping to
get more info this summer, but, I have to keep my fingers crossed on that
one.

Cindy

----- Original Message ----
From: Maureen Bejar
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:07:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre

Dear Cindy:
I did not see a Clementina De La Torre in my records, but then 1873
might have been a little too early for her. I have asked my in-laws about
their family and they always say oh, I can't remember much, but then if you
just listen while they talk, they end up telling you little clues about your
families past. Also, have you looked at the border crossings on
ancestry.com? Sometimes who families, extended families, crossed together.
It usually describes the person's physical appearance and sometimes has
pictures. Really neat. Also, the family search labs has the 1930 Mexican
Census. I do not know about the Acatic records, but it is worth a try.
Good luck.

Maureen Bejar

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of cindy
gutierrez
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:04 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre

Hola to you!

I spoke to my father today and he told me that the Gutierrez family had a
Rancho El Monte in Acatic. My De La Torre's had tha Rancho El Sauz. I have
been to Acatic, Tepa, etc visiting family when I was a youngster. My dad
also said that his parents were married in the Church in Acatic. I had an
Aunt Clementina from Acatic. In my fathers family my dad and one uncle took
the last name Gutierrez, my other uncle took the name De La Torre. I have
pictures of Rancho El Sauz, or what was left of it taken in 1980 the last
time I was in Acatic. My Aunt Esperanza said all of the land has been sold
off probably in 2000. I know absolutely nothing about my family other than
the pedigree I posted. My dad is 71 and cannot remember much, but, I am
going to see my Aunts this summer in Dixon Ca and will try to see if they
remember anything.

Cindy

----- Original Message ----
From: Ronald Reynoso
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 12:50:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre

Hola Ladies ,I too have Gutierrez and de La Torre lines. The Gutierrez line
hangs out in the region of Los Altos -Jalostotitlan,San Miguel el Alto and
San Julian . Jalos lies near Tepatitlan. I have an ancestor Clemente de La
Torre Ledesma (which are two names put together some time back) was from
Tepatitlan and his offspring which some stayed with de La Torre.
Ronnie Reynoso > From: gsoa@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:30:21 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no
subject)> > > Hi Cindy I have some Gutierrez and De la Torre in my family
too. I guess info posted on these surnames will be usful for both of us. I
submited a small file, please seeif you can access it, it may be useful for
you.> Gabriela> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:25:42 -0700> From:
cjg63@sbcglobal.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros
Ranchos] (no subject)> > Hello Everyone,> > My name is Cindy Gutierrez and I
am researching my father Antonio's family. He was born in Jalisco in a small
town called Acatic. He was born on his father's Rancho El Sauz. The family
names I am researching are Gutierrez(my grandmother Josephinas family name)
and De La Torre (my grandfather Antonios family name). Included are De
Moron, Becerra, and a few others that I am still trying to get. My
Grandmothers
family had a Rancho near
Tepa, I think, my dad is kind of fuzzy on some things, but I will get all
the information I can. Most of my fathers family is here now, although they
live part of the year in Acatic. I have been to Mexico many times to see
family and take pictures of the Rancho before they sold it. I would love to
know more about my family and possibly connect with cousins here in
California an> d elsewhere. Unfortunately I no longer am able to speak
Spanish so that has limited my ability to get information. I am very by the
possibilites of> this website. > > Cindy Gutierrez> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --

Hello Everyone,
I am new and doing research on Alcala from Tepatitlan, Jalostotitlan and Pegueros. I see you have extensive research on the Orozco family that includes Alcalas. Are we related in any way?
Thanks!
Gabriela
> From: mormonboy74@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:21:12 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I think I made a Connection-Orosco> > > Hello Ronnie, all info is correct Ill send you what ive discovered about the nobility and jewish of this family in another email. for noe heres some history and their family and lucas' parents and genealogy. Hope it will extend a lot! -Daniel> > VÁSQUEZ de LARA> The maternal ancestry of José Vásquez de Lara (ONMF: 306) is the only New Mexico lineage that extends as far back as the early 1400s in Spain. This lineage is based on the work of Mexican genealogists Mariano González Leal, José Ignacio Dávila Garibi, and Jesús Amaya. However, it was the research of Ophelia Márquez that provided the critical information to link the family of José Vásquez de Lara with the genealogical research of González Leal, Dávila Garibi, and Amaya.> As documented by Chávez, José Vásquez de Lara was a native of the Villa de los Lagos (aka Santa María de los Lagos) in Nueva Galicia, a son of Miguel Vásquez de Lara and Juana de Alcalá (ONMF: 306). He was married in 1694 with María Magdalena Baca. Their daughter María Vásquez Baca became the wife of Diego Padilla (ONMF: 253). This couple had eight known children and are common ancestors for many Hispano New Mexicans.> Paternal Ancestry:> Miguel Vásquez de Lara, a native of Jalostotitlán, Nueva Galicia, was married circa 1659 with Juana de Alcalá y Mendoza, native of Tlazazalca, Michoacán, Nueva España (her ancestry given below). > Miguel was a son of Cristóval Vásquez de Lara, native of the villa of Santa María de los Lagos, and María Ortiz, native of Santa María de los Lagos who died 9 January 1684 at Los Lagos.> Cristóval Vásquez de Lara was a son of Martín Vásquez Zermeno, a native of Mexico City who died at Santa María de los Lagos, and Ana García de Lara (aka Ana García de Miranda).> Martín Vásquez Zermeno was a son of Juan Vásquez and Elvira Gil de Lara, residents of Mexico City according to research by Jaime Holcombe.> > Maternal Ancestry:> Juana de Alcalá y Mendoza, wife of Miguel Vásquez de Lara, was a native of Tlazazalca, Michoacán, Nueva España, and a daughter Juan Lucas Alcalá y Orozco and Juana Avina Hurtado de Mendoza.> Juan Lucas Alcalá y Orozco, a native of Tlazazalca, Michoacán who died prior to 1661, was a son of Juan Alcalá y Zamora and Leonor Orozco (see Alcalá and Orozco lineage below). He was married with Juana de la Mora Mendoza y Garibay (aka Avina Hurtado de Mendoza), bt. 28 January 1616, Zamora, Michoacán, daughter of Juan de la Mora y Mendoza and Francisca Ochoa Garibay.> Mora y Mendoza and Ochoa Garibay:> Juan de la Mora y Mendoza, Alcalde Mayor of the town of Zamora, was married at Zamora on 11 March 1613 (veiled 26 August 1613) with Francisca Ochoa Garibay (aka Garibay Samaniego & Garibay Solis), daughter of Diego Ochoa Garibay (from Castilla) and Juana Núñez. Juan and Francisca had these known children baptized at Zamora: 1) Esteban de la Mora Mendoza y Garibay, bt. 2 February 1614; 2) Juana de la Mora y Garibay, bt. 19 February 1615 (possibly died as an infant); 3) Juana de la Mora Mendoza y Garibay, bt. 28 january 1616; 4) Juan de la Mora y Garibay; 5) Francisca de la Mora y Garibay, bt. 4 October 1618; 6) Lucía de la Mora y Mendoza y Garibai, bt. 12 January 1624; 7) Francisca de la Mora y Garibai, bt. 7 June 1625.> > Alcalá and Orozco:> Juan Alcalá y Zamora and his wife Leonor Orozco both wrote their wills in 1623 at Valladolid, Michoacán, Nueva España. They were the parents of Juan Lucas Alcalá y Orozco.> Juan Alcalá y Zamora was a son of Juan Alcalá and Isabel Zamora, a native of Yelamos, Spain, who came to Nueva España to join her husband. Her record of passage to the New World identified her as a daughter of Antonio Zamora and Francisca Lozana.> Leonor Orozco has an ancestry the reaches back to the early 1400s in Spain, if not back to the late 1300s. It is the only confirmed New Mexico family ancestry that can be extended to the middle ages. Her family genealogy was researched by Mariano González Leal and José Igncaio Dávila Garibi. Members of the Orozco family are among the common ancestors for people with roots in Nueva Galicia. > Leonor Orozco was a daughter of Juan Lucas Morcillo, a native of Castilla, and doña Isabel de Orozco. Doña Isabel Orozco had two sisters: 1) Doña Catalina de Orozco married with don Bartolomé Rodríguez de Aranda, with issue, and 2) Doña María de Orozco married with don Tomás de Burgos Antolines, a native of Spain, with issue. These sisters were the daughters of don Pedro Hernández de Aguilera, owner of the hacienda de Xanamuato, Michoacán, Nueva España, and doña Beatriz de Orozco Tovar, a native of the Villa de Vélez, Spain.> > Doña Beatriz de Orozco Tovar was a daughter of don Diego de Orozco Tovar and doñ Ana Mexía who were married at the Villa de Vélez, Spain. Don Diego had two brothers that had came to the New World: 1) Capitán don Juan de Villaseñor y Orozco, a conquistador of Nueva España and a founder of Valladolid in Michoacán who was married with doña Catalina Cervantes de Lara, and 2) Fransico de Orozco Tovar, a conquistador of Oaxaca.> > These brothers were the sons of don Diego de Villaseñor y Orozco, aka don Diego de Burgos Villaseñor, Alcalde de la Fortaleza de Vélez, and doña Guiomar de Orozco. Doña Guiomar was a daughter of don Diego de Orozco, Comendadro de Pozo Rubio en la Orden de Santiago, and doña Guiomar de Sandoval (a daughter of don Pedro de Sandoval and doña Catalina Fernández).> > Don Diego de Villaseñor y Orozco was a son of don Diego de Villaseñor Tovar ("El de Burgos") and doña Isabel Alfonso de Villaseñor, native of the pueblo de San Miguel Esteban. Don Diego ("El de Burgos") was a son of don Juan de Villaseñor y Serones (Comendador en la Orden de Santiago and Alcalde de la Fortaleza de Zaragoza) and doña Elvira Tovar y Enriquez. José Ignacio Dávila Garibi noted that doña Elvira was a close relative of the Marqueses de Berlanga and the Duques de Frías. Research into the Tovar family of Berlanga has not been able to verify this connection, although the possibility is quite strong.> Researchers: Ophelia Márquez, Tony Campos, Jiame Holcombe, Mariano González Leal, and José Ignacio Dávila Garibi.> Sources: Ophelia Márquez, "La Familia Vasquez de Lara de Nuevo Mexico con Origen en Nueva Galicia y Michoacan," in Somos Primos (Newsletter of the Society of Hispanic Historical and Ancestral Research/SHHAR), March and April 1992; Marianao González Leal, Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia, Universidad de Guanajuato, 1983, Vol II: 66-67; Tony Campos and Ophelia Márquez, "Zamora, Michoacán, México, Marriages 1605-1622, 1638-1646," in Genealogical Journal: Society of Hispanic Historical and Ancestral Research, Vol. II, 1995:124; Tony Campos and Ophelia Márquez, "Zamora, Michoacán, México, Baptisma (1605-1637) and Extensive Family Genealogies of Zamora and Surrounding Areas," in Genealogical Journal: Society of Hispanic Historical and Ancestral Research, Vol. III, 1996:71-150.> _________________________________________________________________> News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. 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I have submitted a small file with some Alcala in it. Please check and see if you can access it
> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:56:02 -0700> From: igarcia628@yahoo.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I think I made a Connection-Orosco> > Hello, Again!> I've been w/o my laptop for 2 weeks and am finding that you are using names that get me very excited! My great grandmother on my Dad's father's side was Maria Andrea ALCALA, but I can only find this name on my great-grandfather's baptismal certificate(?). My Dad's family came from Tamaulipas, but I can't find an Alcala anywhere at all in Tamps,.... maybe cause she wasn't from there! I've been unable to find any info on my Dad's side beyond the great-grandparents, so you've given me hope that there may be more info on Alcala in the Jalisco area! I'm happy, THANKS!!!> > Ronald Reynoso chilerey@msn.com wrote: > > Hola Primo, I need to compare notes and correct some ,tell me if I'm wrong .> Juana Alcala (married to Miguel Vasquez de Lara in 1659):> Parents-Lucas or Juan lucas Alcala y Rojas Or Orosco and Juana Mendoza y Garibay(married in 1620)> I have no knowledge of Juan Lucas Alcala Parents.> Parents of Juana Mendoza Mendoza y Garibay:-Julio or Juan de La Mora y Mendoza and Francisca Garibay.> I need correction and trying to fit what you mentioned below.> Also how does the jewish line fit in ?> Ronnie> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: mormonboy74@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:28:12 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] I think I made a Connection> > > I think I made another royal connection for you Ornelas, Vásquez de BAca (The New Mexico Lineage). After long research (Not really just abt 3 hours.) An ancestor of the Vasquez de BAca is Leonor de Orozco and an ancestor of Ornelas is Petronila de Orozco are sister as we know. They descend from ELvira Tovar y Enriquez, according to the New Mexico Genealogical Society but they said Elvira's parents are unknown but she is a close relative to the Dukes of Frias and Marquesses of Berlanaga. I found a Couple in the same time peiord that of Juan Tovar, Lord of Berlanga and Constanza Enriquez. If these are Elvira's parents, not only would she be a cousin to the Dukes of Frias but this would also answer a long question that the society has had. Im pretty positive that these are her parents but no proof.> She also has Jewish ancestry back to King David! -Any suggestons? -Daniel Méndez del Camino> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org&gt; -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org&gt; > > > XOXMOMXOX Nena> > > > __________________________________________________> Do You Yahoo!?> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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My great-grandfather's first wife was an Eleuteria Tov/bar--daughter of
Mauricio Tov/bar and Petra Sandov/bal--born in 1849. I think she was
born in Jerez. Her siblings were born in Tepetongo (or the other close
town that starts with a "T"). Eleuteria and C/Zenobio were married in
1864 in Jerez and had about 4 or 5 children. She died and a couple of
years later he married my great-grandmother. All the surnames and
Cenobio's first name are spelt both ways in official documentation.
Remember that fact and you'll spare yourself some heartburn.:) Marge:)
On Mar 30, 2008, at 6:51 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:

> Hello Adela, I have Tovar lineage also but they are from District of
> Jerez, Zacatecas Mexico and go back to Ancelmo Tovar abt 1766 and wife
> Maria Petra Carrillo abt 1771. Thier granddaughter Ricarda Tovar,
> 1826 was my direct ancestor. I have not been able to go any farther
> back since there are not any records to research that I know of.
> Like you I am curious about the Tovar name. I have just submitted
> my records again to Rootsweb.com and you may want to check the Tovar
> surnames in my records from the District of Jerez Zacatecas Mexico.
> Just put in Ancelmo and you can go to the index to see what I have
> submitted.
> good luck in your search,
> Linda Castanon-Long in Everett
>
>
> Adela Nuanes wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My name is Adela Nuanes and my maiden name is Tovar. I've been waiting
> for
> my surname to come up in these discussions and I was hoping you might
> have
> some more information on the Tovar family. The Tovar's are from my
> father's
> side of the family and are originally from Tepechitlan, Zacatecas. Any
> information is gratefuly welcome.
>
> Thank you,
> Adela
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mormonboy74"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 3:28 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] I think I made a Connection
>
>
>>
>> I think I made another royal connection for you Ornelas, Vásquez de
>> BAca
>> (The New Mexico Lineage). After long research (Not really just abt 3
>> hours.) An ancestor of the Vasquez de BAca is Leonor de Orozco and an
>> ancestor of Ornelas is Petronila de Orozco are sister as we know. They
>> descend from ELvira Tovar y Enriquez, according to the New Mexico
>> Genealogical Society but they said Elvira's parents are unknown but
>> she is
>> a close relative to the Dukes of Frias and Marquesses of Berlanaga. I
>> found a Couple in the same time peiord that of Juan Tovar, Lord of
>> Berlanga and Constanza Enriquez. If these are Elvira's parents, not
>> only
>> would she be a cousin to the Dukes of Frias but this would also
>> answer a
>> long question that the society has had. Im pretty positive that these
>> are
>> her parents but no proof. She also has Jewish ancestry back to King
>> David! -Any suggestons? -Daniel Méndez del Camino

Hi Ronnie.
I have Petra/Feliciana de Lomelin married to Pedro de Sandoval in 1814, her parents apparently were Pedro Lomelin and Feliciana Rodrigues; and not too sure on this one, but I show Maria de Jesus Benabides married to Jose Manuel Yanes around 1800...
...Are we getting closer?

Ronald Reynoso wrote:

Hola Irene,My name is Ronnie Reynoso,I too have several Lomeli,Lomellini.and Lomelin ancestors,which are the sames tree. Starting with Carlos Lomellini and wife Maria Benavides married in 1609 Nochistitlan. Are you of the same branch ? If I was betting man ,odds are almost certain.
Ronnie Reynoso> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:52:47 -0700> From: igarcia628@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Alteño Surnames> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> > Hi, Manuel.> I'm Irene Garcia(-Sandoval) and I have a LOMELIN ancestor on my Mom's side. She was:> Petra (and/or) Feliciana DE LOMELIN, married to Pedro Sandoval and mother of> -Buenaventura SANDOVAL, father of> -Hilario SANDOVAL, father of> -Maria Isaac SANDOVAL, my Gandmother on my Mom's side.> Most of my ancestors on my Mom's side seem to be concentrated around Teocaltiche, with the (Rancho?) of Ostotan being their primary place of residence. Again, SANDOVAL/SANDOBAL is the predominant name; some marriage certificates indicate that no immediate family relationships were discovered, but who knows?> > I hope I was able to get my message across, my geneology language is even more limited than my Tex-Mex Spanish! Hope to hear from you or any others w/info related to this line. Gracias.> mormonboy74 wrote:> >
Is anyone familiar with these surnames?> > DE LA PEDROSA> DíAZ-CASTELLANO> ÁLVAREZ DE LA CRUZ> LOMELíN> > i HAVE 3 ÁLVAREZ DE LA CRUZ AND ABOUT 4 DE LA CRUZ > MY RESEARCH IS LEADING ME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT> THESE TWO FAMILIES ARE RELATED. SOME JUST ÁLVAREZ> OR CRUZ. DíAZ-CASTELLANO IS THE INTERESTING ONE I HAD NEVER> SEEN IT BEFORE. ANY HELP OR COMMENTS? GRACIAS! -dANIEL MDC> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org&gt; > > XOXMOMXOX Nena> > > > __________________________________________________> Do You Yahoo!?> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:>
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My language instructor said that Benavides was originally Jewish, from Ben-David; then the Spanish "ez" appeared when the name carrier came to Spain during the period of moorish control of Spain before Jews were ordered out of Spain in 1492.

Jan

Alicia Carrillo wrote:
----- Original Message ----
From: Ronald Reynoso
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 9:32:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Alteño Surnames
Hola Primo ,I have alot of Lomellini,Lomelin and Lomeli and they all are the same . Carlos Lomellini was from Genoa,Italy and married Maria Benavides en Nochistlan,en 1609.

I know this is not about Lomelin but about Benavides. One of the presenters at the Conference in Saltillo was Benavides......he spoke in great detail about his family's history in Northern Mexico, he proceeded to tell us that this surname's origins are Arabic from Medieval times, see below, so not only does this marriage have Italian origins but Arabic/Spanish origins.

Don't you just love it........we are all mutts!!

Last NameBenavidesSpanish: patronymic from the common medieval personal name Ben
Avid, of Arabic origin, from ibn ?Abd ‘son of the servant(of God)’ see Benavidez.