When you find that a baptism, marriage or burial happened before the earliest record in the church where you have been finding the family records, you want to know which church in the area has earlier
i am doing some research in Tlaltenango. Thank you for sharing your information.
Espero que alguien del grupo tenga y pueda aportar información adicional de mi octavo abuelo materno Antonio Ruiz de Ulloa.
No hablo español bien, pero en mi árbol tengo el hermano de Francisca de Escobedo Avila (Pablo Joseph de Escobedo abt 1715). Yo encontré este bautismo:
28 Mayo 1687 Manuel español hijo de Joseph de Escobedo y Juana de Renteria
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-1SWD-X?i=682&cc=1804458
Andrea, with this new data, now I can disregard the speculation of Manuel de Escobedo being the son of Antonio Carlos de Escobedo and Salvadora De La Torre. In the baptismal document, it clearly states that the parents of Manuel de Escobedo were Joseph de Escobedo and Juana de Renteria. Now the next step is to find out who were the paternal and maternal grandparents of Manuel de Escobedo? I greatly appreciate the information you have provided.
Has anybody actually traced their ancestor back to the ships?
Listas de Pasajeros a Indias, Passenger Lists to the Indies?
While I have references of several ancestors having come from Spain, I haven't been able to locate them on the ship lists or to find their documentation at the Casa de la Contratación.
Yes, I have to Diego de Temiño, from Seville. He is one of my 13th great-grandfathers. He left Spain to immigrate to the New World on 13 Jun 1518, going first to Cartagena, Colombia, then to Mexico. His name is found in the Inquisition records of Seville. Los Conversos y la Inquisición Sevillana, by Juan Gil, Universidad de Sevilla, 2001, vol 5, p. 385.
May I ask which resources did you use to get that far back?
Cheers
Diego de Temiño must have headed first to one of the islands, be it Cuba or Dominicana. By 1518 there was no Cartagena, Veracruz was founded in 1519.
Yes, I have to Diego de Temiño, from Seville. He is one of my 13th great-grandfathers. He left Spain to immigrate to the New World on 13 Jun 1518, going first to Cartagena, Colombia, then to Mexico. His name is found in the Inquisition records of Seville. Los Conversos y la Inquisición Sevillana, by Juan Gil, Universidad de Sevilla, 2001, vol 5, p. 385.
He's my ancestor also. Marge V.
> On May 11, 2019, at 16:47, rmfpdx@mac.com wrote:
>
> Yes, I have to Diego de Temiño, from Seville. He is one of my 13th
> great-grandfathers. He left Spain to immigrate to the New World on 13 Jun
> 1518, going first to Cartagena, Colombia, then to Mexico. His name is found
> in the Inquisition records of Seville. Los Conversos y la Inquisición
> Sevillana, by Juan Gil, Universidad de Sevilla, 2001, vol 5, p. 385.
>
He's my ancestor also. Marge V.
> On May 11, 2019, at 16:47, rmfpdx@mac.com wrote:
>
> Yes, I have to Diego de Temiño, from Seville. He is one of my 13th
> great-grandfathers. He left Spain to immigrate to the New World on 13 Jun
> 1518, going first to Cartagena, Colombia, then to Mexico. His name is found
> in the Inquisition records of Seville. Los Conversos y la Inquisición
> Sevillana, by Juan Gil, Universidad de Sevilla, 2001, vol 5, p. 385.
>
Los links del Portal Pares y del Portal Europe:
pares.mcu.es
archivesportaleurope.net
Saludos
Marcelina
Buen dia Marcelina,
Muchísimas gracias por la información lo agradezco mucho.
Bonito día.
Esther
And beyond. I am currently doing most of my work on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean. I have gone back another hundred years, crossed another border, and am currently working on a French ancestral line of the Reynoso family that goes back to Charlemagne.
Rick A. Ricci
Wow that's amazing! may I ask what part of spain was your ancestor from?
do you have a public tree?
Hola Gaby:
Hay dos portales en línea (webs):
1. Portal Pares
2. Portal Europe.net
Tienen muchos registros en las categorías en la sección Archiivo General de Indias (labels):
1. Casa de Contratación
2. Indiferente General.
Saludos
Marcelina
Buenas noches Marcelina,
Me puede por favor decir en donde puedo encontrar el link de los portales?
Saludos,
Esther
thanks for the info . but please tell me you were successful in searching for your ancestors
What family did you investigate was the Barbosa,s?
My genealogy is still a work in progress but to answer your question, on my paternal line Barbosa I've hit a dead end, as my ancestor who I believed to be born around 1740 was from Cotija, Michoacan, he died in Tamazula de Gordiano, Jal. in 1811, and Cotija's records have been lost.
On my maternal side I have gotten further back but all in Mexico, I would love to find one of my ancestors on their journey to America and then track them in Europe, that would be very exciting!
Hello everyone,
Hi Nancy,
I would need more information to positively identify your grandmother Aurelia Lomeli. Is her second surname Carranza? Do you have a birthdate or any other information that would help indentify her? The church would have information on your great aunt that was a nun.
Good luck in your research,
Rick A. Ricci
Hello Rick,
My Great Grandmother's Birthday was April 17, 1903. Her parents names were Antonio Lomeli and Refugio Rodrigues.
And on my great aunt, what church should I look into?
Thank you for your help.
Hello Nancy,
1) Aurelia Lomeli (b. 17/Apr/1903) is the daughter of Jose Antonio Lomeli and Refugio Rodrigues.
2) Jose Antonio Lomeli is the son of Tomas Lomeli and María Sostenes Lupercio
3) Tomas Lomeli is the son of Prudencio Lomeli and Tomasa Vasquez
4) Prudencio Lomeli is the son of Juan Lomeli and Rosalia Huerta
5) Juan Lomeli is the son of José Gabriel Lomeli and Mariana Ygnacia Gertrudis Gutierrez
6) José Gabriel Lomeli is the son of Vicente Ferrer Lomeli and Ysabel Rodriguez De Frias
7) Vicente Ferrer Lomeli is the son of Antonio Lomelin and Petrona Alvarez Tostado
8) Antonio Lomeli is the son of Gabriel Lomeli and Melchora De los Reyes Delgadillo
9) Gabriel Lomeli is the son of Domingo Lomelin and Juana Regina de Mendoza
10) Carlos Lomelin (aka Carlo Lomellini) and María Benavides Cortes
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María del Refugio Rodriguez y Diaz ( bap. on 26/May/1872) is the daughter of Rodrigo Rodríguez and Teodora Diaz
Rodrigo Rodríguez is the son of Petronilo Rodriguez and María Dionicia. González
Petronilo is the son of Miguel Rodriguez and Juana María Arambula
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María Dionicia González is the daughter of Pablo Gonzalez and Ma. Candelaria Yañez
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Teodora Díaz is the daughter of Bruno Diaz and Cirila Avila
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Tomasa Vasquez is the son of Teodocio Vasquez and María Apolonia Figueroa
Teodocio Vasquez is the son of Joseph Silvino Vasquez and María Nestora Rodriguez
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María Apolonia Figueroa is the daughter of Miguel Figueroa and María Rita Landeros
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María Sostenes is the daughter of Onofre Lupercio and Nemecia Torres
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I do have some more info to add,
Rick A. Ricci
WOW!!! That is a lot of information.
Where did you find all of that?
This info would have taken me months if not years to find.
I appreciate you so much!!!
Hi Nancy,
Here is some more information on some of your ancestors:
Teodora Díaz is the daughter of Bruno Diaz and Cirila Avila
Bruno Diaz is the son of Joaquin Diaz and María Apolinaria Regalado
Juaquin Diaz is the son of Francisco Diaz and Josefa Lara
María Apolinaria Regalado is the daughter of Carlos Regalado and Lugarda Vasquez
Carlos Regalado is the son of Thomas Regalado and María Alexandra Cortes
Lugarda Vasquez is the daughter of José Vasquez and María Dolores Gómez Franco
Cirila Avila (Aguila) is the daughter of José Carmen De Avila (?Aguila)and María De los Santos Sanchez
José Carmen Aguila is the son of Victorio Aguila and María Manuela Espinosa
María De los Santos Sánchez is daughter of Faustino Sanchez and Teresa Maldonado
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
OMG!
That's awesome!!
Can I ask where you found all of this?
Thank you!!!
Hi Nancy,
All of this information that I posted here on your great grandmother’s ancestry came from baptismal or marriage records. Here is a little more information on some of yourancestors:
Thomas Regalado (bap. 12/Dec/1731) is the son of Bernardo Regalado and María Quiteriia Orosco (aka Losa, aka Ramirez). That María Quiteria used three different surnames may help in figuring out her ancestry.
Tomas was married to María Alejandra Cortez, (daughter of Nicolas Cortez and Gertrudis (?Romero) I am not sure about Gertrudis’s surname. Thomas had a second marriage to María Margarita Losa, but you descend from the first wife. A grandchild’s baptismal record erroneously names her as a grandmother but she was a step grandmother . Due to Thomas’s mother using the “Losa” surname often, I believe that there is a strong chance that his second wife is related to his mother.
I have much more info on some of the ancestors of some of the wives that I posted in your Lomeli line. I also previously posted info on the probable ancestral line of Carlo Lomellini. Some other genealogists have posted here in nuestrosranchos info on the ancestry of María Benavides.
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
All of this information is very interesting to me. I actually just bumped into one of your topics on Carlo. Everything I was reading was very knowledgeable and interesting. I've always been the curious type so the more I find the more into it I get. And, did you finally published your book? If so, what is the name of it?
Thank you for helping me with this. I am forever grateful to you!
Dear Nancy,
Was your great-grandmother married to Pedro Aceves? If Pedro Aceves was your great-grandfather, did you descend from Ester,Estefania, or María del Refugio?
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
Yes I do!!
Esther was my grandmother. She was married to Rafael Barba. We never met them, so we knew very little about that side of the family. Pedro's father was Calixto Aceves and Calixto's father was Toribio Aceves and Toribio's father was Jesus Aceves. That's as far as I have gotten there.
I wanted to share my DNA results with you just because of one area that caught my attention.
Basque, I had never heard of this place until I got my results back and then I saw it somewhere on one of your discussions.
Ethnicity Estimate Updates
Native American—North, Central, South 43%
Northeastern Mexico
Eastern Coahuila & Northern Nuevo Leon
Northeastern Mexico & South Texas
Spain 22%
France 14%
Portugal 12%
Italy 3%
Cameroon, Congo, & Southern Bantu Peoples 2%
Basque 1%
Sweden 1%
Mali 1%
European Jewish 1%
Dear Nancy,
I am related to you many, many times. The closest relationship that I have found is that we are sixth cousins repeatedly through your Barba ancestry. I am not listing your Barba ancestry here as it would take too long to post the ancestry of your grandfather Rafael Barba. I can send you Rafael BARBA’s ancestry through the regular mail.
Here is more information on your Aceves ancestry:
1) Esther Aceves is the daughter of Pedro Aceves and Aurelia Lomeli
2) Pedro Aceves (bap. 2/July/1899) is the son of Calixto Aceves and Juana Morales (daughter of Liberato Morales and Ma.Estanislao Valdivia).
3) Calixto Aceves is the son of José Thoribio Aceves and María Estefana Fernandez (daughter of José Reyes Fernandez and Nieves Navarro).
4) José Thoribio Aceves (bap. 2/May/1824) is the son of Jesus Aceves and María Antonia Hermosillo ( daughter of Ysidro Hermosillo and Josefa Martin.) (Josefa Martin is the daughter of Francisco Martin del Campo and Maria Teresa Valencia)
5) Jesus Aceves is the son of Francisco Xavier Aceves and Josefa (Ma.de SanJose)Barajas.
6) Francisco Xabier Aceves married to Josefa (Ma.de SanJose) Barajas
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José Thoribio Aceves’s maternal grandmother, Josefa Martin, is also related to me.
Josefa is the daughter of Francisco Martin del Campo and María Teresa Valencia.
Francisco Martin del Campo is the son of Estefania Martin del Campo and an unknown father
Your ancestor María Teresa Valencia has a sister, Maria Rita Valencia, who is my ancestor.
Maria Rita Valencia is married to Joseph Domingo Estrada. (My ancestors)
Maria Teresa Valencia and Maria Rita Valencia are the daughters of Lorenzo Valencia and Juana Gertrudis Maldonado (aka Gonzalez) (daughter of Antonio Gonzalez and Petronila 'Petra' Gutierrez-Maldonado
Lorenzo Valencia and Juana Gertrudis 'Petra' Maldonado are married in Ocotlan, Jalisco on 10/Dec/1736
Lorenzo's parents are Nicolas Valencia and Josepha Martinez
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
Good Morning Cousin,
That is awesome news!Everything that you have given me here I have passed on to my sisters and they are just as fascinated as I am.
And if you can email me that info, I would greatly appreciate it.
Do you need my email address?
Hi Nancy,
The more that I look at your ancestors, the more ancestors we have in common, so we are indeed cousins. I previously wrote that Francisco Martin del Campo was the son of an unknown father and María Estephania Martin del Campo. The father is no longer unknown. I discovered that his father’s surname is Medina. I don’t know Francisco’s father’s first name.
You also descend from Toribio Hernández Arellano and Isabel Mendoza. For more information of his ancestry, take a look at what I posted on the “probable ancestry of Toribio Hernández Arellano”.This ancestry adds to your French and Basque ancestry that you were curious about.
Yes, I need your email address to send you more information and a picture of your great aunt María Nicolasa Aceves Lomelin.
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
Awesome!!!
My email address is jellybin1@yahoo.com
Thank you once again!
Dear Nancy,
I took a look at the tree you have on file. Then I looked up the source on Aniceta Barba’s mother, María Guadalupe Camarena . There Is faulty information in the record even though it is a primary source. Primary sources sometimes contain mistakes. María Guadalupe Camarena’s father is not named Abundio Camarena. I did more investigating and found her baptismal record which provides the correct parents.
1) María Guadalupe Camarena (bap. 16/Oct/1861 in Arandas, Jalisco) is the daughter of Abundio Vasquez and María Ladislao Camarena
2) Abundio Vasquez is the son of Juan Nepomuceno Vasquez y Yniguez and María Prudencia Plasencia y Aramburo.
3) Juan Nepomuceno Vasquez (bap. 3/July/1804, Atotonilco, Jalisco) is the son of José Leon Vasquez and María De Jesus Yniguez
4) Joséph Leon Vasquez(bap 19/Apr/1750, Ayotlan, Jalisco) is the son of Ramon Vasquez and María Magdalena Perez
5) Ramon Vasquez and María Magdalena Perez
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María Ladislao Camarena (bap. 5/July/1840, Arandas ) is the daughter of Ygnacio Camarena and María de los Dolores Canchola
Ygnacio Camarena is the son of Francisco Camarena and Maria Guadalupe Mendez
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María Dolores Canchola is the daughter of Francisco Canchola and María Gertrudis Margarita Fuentes
Francisco Canchola is the son of Jose Felipe Canchola and Ana María Rodriguez
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María Margarita Fuentes is the daughter of Bernardino Fuentes and Mariana
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María de Jesús Yniguez is the daughter of Pedro Yniguez and María Nicolasa Romero
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María Prudencia Plasencia is the daughter of José Florencio “Felis” Plasencia and María Aramburo (Arambula)
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There are other mistakes in your file. My book, Mygenes2000, is not published yet, but you could correct many of those mistakes by looking at postings here in nuestrosranchos.org. My posting on “Christobal Villaseñor” is an example of a posting that you can gather much information from for your family tree : http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/23624?page=2
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
Source: Mygenes2000
Thank you for that.
One question, "Why would she have Camarena as her last name and not Vasquez?
I will definitely look for your other postings.
And as always, thank you so much for your help!
In the study of genealogy i have often found instances where the person takes the surname of the mother instead of the father. Sometimes you will find instances where they take the surname of a grandparent, or greatgrandparent, instead of a parent. This happened often in the sixteenth and seventeenth hundreds in Nueva Galicia.
I forgot to add that José Feliciano “Felis” or “Felix” Plasencia” had “José Feliciano. Plasencia Alias Fierro” in a record.
José Feliciano Plasencia Alias Fierro is the son of Francisco Plasencia and Madalena Fierro
María Maxima Arambula (bap 8/July/1792) is the daughter of Juan José González de Arambula and María Petra Lucia Lopez De Elizalde
José Feliciano Plasencia Alias Fierro and María Maxima Arambula were married 9/Nov/1809 in Tepatitlan. Jalisco
Another ancestor of yours who also used multiple surnames is María Quiteriia Orosco (aka Losa, aka Ramirez). Quiteria was married to Bernardo Regalado.
Thank you,
Rick A. Ricci
Good Morning Cousin,
I have printed a lot of your discussions and I will try to review them and use them as notes.
Thank you for all of your help.
Hello Rick,
I have been quite busy and haven't given you my email address for you to send more info and a picture of my great aunt.
My email is jellybin1@yahoo.com
Once again, thank you so much for all your help.
I truly do appreciate you!
Hello,
I have only begun to read in Spanish since starting to trace my grandmothers decendents. I can anyone help translate this
This is what I was able to read.
testigo. Br. Don Joseph Caro Galindo de San Juan de Mesquitic, Pueblo de San Juan Baptista, Br. Don Arechiga, 53 yo, Teniente Cura de Mesquitic,3rd. Don Lorenzo de Escobedo de 34 anos and related to pretensa.
Hi Robert,
This is several pages. Are you looking for a specific page or passage?
Paige
Hi Paige. Thanks for responding. I am just trying to find the testigos /witnesses to the marriage. Google translate only gets so far
Can anyone recommend books that are written of the history of Ranchos, Churches, people, of Zacatecas and Jalisco?
Mi bisabuelo, Jesús Merced López, nacido el 24 Sep de 1873 era natural de Tepetiltique, Jalisco, pero avecinado en Mexticacán.
Atenguillo, Tepic, Jalisco produced a Padron in 1895.
Great information and thank you.
Esther
I am interested to know where my great grandparents are buried. The name and location of the Cemetary.
The names of Justo Vidaurri (Vidaure) parents are Luis Vidaurri(Vidaure) Lopez(Lopes)(Father) & Maria Francisca Acosta Martinez Justo's wife's name is Petra Ybarra (Ibarra) Escobedo.
Hi Jeanette, if you can provide his wife and parents' names, we can search for his death certificate which would indicate that info if you don't have access to ancestry's site.
The names of Justo Vidaurri (Vidaure) parents are Luis Vidaurri(Vidaure) Lopez(Lopes)(Father) & Maria Francisca Acosta Martinez Justo's wife's name is Petra Ybarra (Ibarra) Escobedo.
Hi, I am new to the site and am researching the Mata, Cordero, Bravo, Sayabedra, Alvarez and Villalpando lineages.
Welcome Alice and Hi Esther!
A part of my family is from the same area as well. I have Hernandez, De la Paz, Lopez, Sevilla, Cos y Leon, Garcia, Ramirez, Guzman, Quezada, Angel, and Ascencio de Torres in my family tree. I also have three of the six names you're currently working on now (Villalpanda, Sayabedra, and Alvarez) and so I may be able to help you with them.
Carricillo is now known as San Jose de la Paz.
http://sanjosedelapazjalisco.blogspot.com/2009/05/blog-post_5584.html
San Rafael is harder to pinpoint because there are many possible candidates in the area:
https://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/san-rafael-90/
https://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/san-rafael-la-resolana/
https://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/san-rafael-107/
https://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/san-rafael-108/
https://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/san-rafael-118/
https://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/san-rafael-de-bermudez-san-rafael/
https://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/san-rafael-de-laguna/
https://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/san-rafael-de-lozano-san-rafael/
Good luck!
Thank you mralvarez
I thought Carricillo was the farm community in the highlands but this makes more sense. I have other references to Puerto De Catalina which is right outside of San Jose De La Paz. The San Rafael is always refereed to as San Rafael de Los Altos. I will study these links and see if one is close to Los Altos. We could be related as my paternal Grandmother is an Alvarez and her mother was a Quezada. Also have Angel, Garcia, Gusman, Hernandez, Asencio De Leon, Ramirez. Maternal Grandmother was a Hernandez but from Guanajuato. Alvarez line is pretty interesting and goes way back.
Thanks for the info,
Alice
Alice,
If I’m not mistaken, our most recent common Alvarez ancestor is Mariano Alvarez del Castillo, but I bet we have other lines in common since our families come from the same region.
All of the San Rafael locations I shared with you earlier are located within the municipios of Jesus Maria, Manuel Doblado, and Arandas. They’re all in the same general area covered by the parish churches located in those towns.
Yesterday I found the 1792 padron for San Pedro Piedra Gorda and it’s a good one. Compared to other padrones this one is very clearly written and descriptive.
Here is the link to the page of the padron where you’ll find Jose Manuel Mata & Maria Anastacia Villalpando.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-B5S3-CD?i=172&cc=1883388&cat=319912
Jose Manuel Mata and Maria Anastacia Villalpando live a couple of doors down from Eugenio Villalpando and his wife Nicolasa Raza, so, it’s very possible Maria Anastacia and Eugenio are related. (Eugenio sometimes appears as Eugenio Flores Villalpando.)
There are a good number of threads on this site dedicated to Villalpando that you may find useful: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/search/node/villalpando
San Rafael de los Altos is shown on this page of the padron:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-B5S3-JD?i=156&cc=1883388&cat=319912
If you look around you'll probably also find ancestors on the other pages in Capulin de Galvanes, Cienega de Galvanes, and Milpillas de Ayo el Grande.
I hope this helps.
mralvarez
Thank you so much for all the information.
The Mariano Alvarez Del Castillo is correct and also continues on to the Asencio De Torres line.
I have been researching the San Rafael locations and it appears that the #118 makes the most sense as it is proximate Manuel Doblado, Arandas and San Jose De La Paz. Amazing that you found the San Rafael De Los Altos Census. I did not know that these even existed. The individuals in the households are all children and spouses of Jose Manuel Mata. It appears that there are 3 households in this Rancho and I assume that it would have to be located within the San Pedro De Gorda parish? I wonder if there is a map somewhere of the census locations.
Also is there an easy way to search the Diocese records. When I attempted to search I ran into a long list of links that I had no idea of what they consisted.
Anyway your assistance is very much appreciated and hopefully I can offer some assistance as well.
Regards,
Alice
Hi mralvarez,
Every last name you mentioned above I have on my family tree and the are all from Los Altos. We might also be related. The Cos y Leon eventually changed to Leon on my side of the family though. Do you have a family tree on ancestry?
Esther
Esther,
I am pretty sure we are related considering all of the surnames we have in common. I think our most recent common Alvarez ancestor is Juan Manuel Alvarez del Castillo (casado con Lucia de Jesus Hernandez). I don't have my tree on Ancestry, yet, but I am open to sharing what I have so far with you and others (mralvarez314 at gmail).
Hi Alice and welcome. I have only been a member for a few months as well. The people here are great and helpful.
You mentioned Degollado, my parents still live there and we have a lot of family there. I have a paternal uncle that is married to a Mata I wonder if you might be related.
Esther
Thank you for the reply. There is a reasonable chance that she may be somehow related to us. I had 2 aunts and an uncle who lived in Degollado but unfortunately I never knew their families. Hopefully as I continue digging in I will be able to locate them. Both myself and my older sister were born in Irapuato and San Jose De La Paz but have not been back since we were very young. I know my aunt b 1925 married a Quesada in Degollado and the other b 1933 a Munoz. Actually my G Grandmother is a Quesada as well. And my son in laws family is from Degollado as well. His family is Moya.
Alice
There is an dramatic change of last name on my ancestors... as I explain below:
1828- Florencio Cabuto & Damiana Lopez, Married June 25- Etzatlan, Jalisco
I have had a couple but one I was able to figure out why it changed. They all go by Santana now but in the 1700 there was an ancestor with Joseph Santana Suarez and I think the next generation got his middle name mixed up and used it as a last name of Santana.
Esther
It's likely many of us have seen something like this before. It happens, and for any number of reasons.
I can document an instance of three brothers using their maternal last name rather than their paternal one once they reached adulthood. This was in the late 1800s and their reason for doing so has been lost in time.
I wish I knew why they chose to drop their paternal name. Was their father abusive? Did he abandon them? The change frustrated me immensely when I was trying to make sense of the records and trace their paternal line. I later learned from their decedents that it caused headaches for some of them too when they needed birth certificates and marriage licenses back in the 1930s and earlier.
This goes on my list of things to do if I were able to go back in time :)
This was posted before I intended.
One Diego AGUAYO was a priest. I have him in Cuautitlan, Jalisco during the period 12 Dec 1800, Cura, to December 1806.
Then he was in Guachinango, Jalisco as Cura from 25 Jan 1807 to 12 Apr 1834 when he was buried, age 65.
Can anyone tell me which church records and where to learn where he was from, when entered into priesthood, who his parents were, etc.?-
Maybe he was a son of a Diego Aguayo of Nochistlan, Zac., either the “Mozo” or “El Viejo” (abt 1584-1694).
Thanks for your help.
Ed Nissen P.
Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
Does anyone have any information on Seferino Alonso and Maria Eugena
Tiscareno? Specifically the parents.
Hi Danny
So I took a quick look at family search and I am afraid that the parish where Seferino Alonso's grandchildren were baptized has records only as back as 1799.
I would focus on finding the baptismal records for all of Seferino's children, if you believe they were born in that same town of Salinas.
If you truly want to find them you can go page by page in around the years you think they were born. I did this and I was able to find my ancestors who had been indexed incorrectly in family search.
Good luck
As far as I have been able to tell, the nexus of the Pinedos in Southern Zacatecas and Northern Jalisco seems to be Jerez/Monte Escobedo. Leonardo de la Torre y Berumen seems to think they are all descended or related (as slaves or servants to descendants) to a Rodrigo de Pinedo or Pineda that was one of the captains fighting the Chichimeca War that were the original settlers of Jerez.
I know this is an old post, but while researching a name, I came across another Diego Pinedo. It caught my eye because it shows he was marrying a Regina de Aguayo in 1694. No additional information, parents or originating town. Do you have any additional information on this couple?
Here is the link. Right hand page, second entry.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939Z-RS4D-S?i=250&cc=1615259
Thanks
Ruben R
Chris:
Thinking about this a bit more, it is really going to be like looking for a needle in a haystack to try to find what town your great-grandfather was born in. I think that if you know yout g-g-grandfather's name and you suspect he was in the Mexican calvary that may be a more fruitful avenue to take.
Another alternative is to pull the "informaciones matrimoniales" film for your great-grandfather's first marriage. These often list grandparents as part of the due diligence to determine lack of cosanguinity.
From the familysearch.org site:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/rg/guide/Mexico18.asp
Military Records of Genealogical Value
The following records include information on most soldiers and can be useful in researching your family:
* Hojas de servicios (Service records). Lists of officers’ name, birth date, birthplace, family information, and military ranks and assignments.
* Expedientes personales (Personal petition files). Personal requests by servicemen such as their petitioning for military advancements after citing their military record. The files may include a number of documents of genealogical interest, such as family baptismal and marriage certificates.
* Listas de quintas o conscripciones (Conscription lists). Lists of new recruits and in some cases a census of all males eligible for military service. The town or municipal archives (archivo de ayuntamiento) sometimes house these records.
* Filiaciones (Enlistments). Lists of common soldiers in the military, excluding officers. Enlistments include the soldiers’ name, birth date and birthplace, parents’ names, residence, religion, marital status, and physical description. They may also list the soldier’s military history. Enlistments are less likely than service sheets to be indexed.
* Padrones and listas de revistas (Census records). Censuses of military men and their families were often taken in various areas. The census records may include all the citizens who were served and protected by the military outpost.
For more information on the military records of Mexico, including where the records are found, see:
Ryskamp, George R. Tracing Your Hispanic Heritage. Riverside, Calif.: Hispanic Family History Research, 1984, pp. 591-632. (FHL book 946 D27r; computer number 0256085.)
Locating Other Military Records
Records of military service in Mexico were kept by several government agencies. Some of these records have been centralized at the Archivo General de la Nacion and the Archivo Histórico Militar Mexicano. Others can be found in different state archives as well as in the municipio archives (archivos del ayuntamiento). The Family History Library has some military records that cover the 1500s to 1900s.
The Archivo General de la Nacíon has several collections that contain valuable military records. These collections can be searched in the Archivo Histórico Militar (Historical Military Archive). Some of these collections are:
* Guerras y Pensiones (wars and pensions). These date from 1793 to 1900 and contain petitions for pensions from families who had soldiers who died in the war. These include servicemen’s name, spouse and children, date and place of birth and marriage, and place of residence.
* Listas de Revistas (list of musters). From this collection you can find the servicemen’s name, place of residence, age, civil statues, race, years in the service, and number of family members.
* Méritos y Servicios (merits and services records). These records start in 1524 and continue to 1634. They contain genealogies, biographies, names of soldiers, and occasionally their date and place of birth.
Another archive that has military records but is difficult to access is the Archivo de la Secretaría de la Defensa Nacional (Archive of the Secretary of National Defense) in Mexico City. Some of the collections include:
* Registros de Comisiones Militares (registers of military comissions).
* Hojas de Servicio Militar (military service records).
* Cancelados (files on former officers)
These records have extensive information on the soldiers and officers and their families. In order to visit this archive you need a letter of recommendation and the archive’s permission to do research.
Another military record in Mexico is the Cartillas del Servicio Militar Nacional (cards of conscripts of the national military service), which covers the last century to the present and lists persons from 18 to 48 years old. These cards are issued to all who enter the military and include a photo of the conscripted and his full name, age, date and place of birth, parents, and civil status. These records can be found either in the Ayuntamientos (municipio offices) or the Department of the Secretary of National Defense.
The above collections are only a few of many that are found throughout Mexico. Always make sure you know the history of the area in which your ancestor served, and find out what archives are available for that area and what records they contain.
Thanks for the comments. They were really helpful...as I may end up having to pursue the military record approach. Per Joseph's advice, I've also posted the two Informacion Matrimonal forms I had for Nicanor Pineda/Pinedo under Albums. If you look at it, you'll notice that both forms say that Nicanor is "originario y vecino de esta ciudad (Tlaltenango)."
Further one form suggests he was born around 1884, and the other form around 1881; while the Texas border crossing record suggests 1890. Knowing this, I still have been unsuccessful finding a birth or baptism record for Nicanor Pineda in Tlaltenango around this time. That's why I was thinking that perhaps he was born someplace else.
If anyone wants to look at the forms, please feel free...and let me know if they give you any insight or ideas. Thank and I hope to hear from you.
Chris Pineda
Chris:
I had never seen an informacion matrimonial from such a recent period. To tell you the truth there is a lot less information there than what I imagined and certainly less that what I have seen in informaciones from one hundred fifty years earler. Perhaps intermarriage was more of a problem back then.
As far as "originario y vecino de esta ciudad" it could mean a number of things. He could have been born in a nearby rancho but baptized in a different parrish (Momax, Atolinga, Tepechitlan, Joaquin Amaro, etc.) Also he could have moved there at a young age in which case he "had always lived there" as far as he and the priest were concerned. Usually they would only note when people moved to the place as adults or still lived in another place at the time of marriage.
If Nicanor's parents are not listed there, where are you getting his parents' names from? Have you seen your grandfather's baptism certificate? That should definitely have his four grandparents' names as should your grandfather's social security application which you can order under a freedom of information act request. Do you know when he passed away?
There are also naturalization records which you can request through a freedom of information act request as well. The National Archives has some of the older ones filmed, though I am not familiar as to how to navigate that quagmire.
Here is another tidbit clue in your puzzle to find your great-grandfather's birth Chris. His first wife was definitely from the area around Tlaltenango... actually from the next town over in Tepechitlan...
Parents:
NATIVIDAD GODOY
Marriages:
Spouse: FELIPE MINJARES
Marriage: 05 OCT 1864
M606161 1848 - 1873 0445049
And a sister:
MARIA MARGARITA MINJAREZ GODOY
Christening: 21 FEB 1869 Tepechitlan, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: FELIPE MINJAREZ Family
Mother: NATIVIDAD GODOY
C600817 1867 - 1875 0444031
I see now where Nicanor's parents are mentioned in the second marriage dispensation. The mother's name is Pioquinta but the last name is either not there or difficult to make out. I am reading "Rosa" or :"Rosas" or "Losa"
And all of the Pedro Pinedos that come up in IGI for the relevant years. If only we were certain of your g-g-grandmother's name we would rule out these names definitively or figure out whether one of them is the right one. They are all from the towns I mentioned earlier. I imagine, however, if his first wife was from Tepechitlan he would have had to meet her at an early age and therefore must have lived in Tlaltenango or maybe Atolinga or Totatiche.
Have you tried DNA? I have a PINEDO lineage y-DNA test from my cousin.
1. PEDRO PINEDO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 18 APR 1855 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
2. PETRONILO PINEDO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 13 NOV 1861 Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico
3. PEDRO PINEDO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 14 APR 1864 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
4. PEDRO PINEDO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 28 JUN 1865 San Juan De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico
5. PETRONILO PINEDO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 19 MAY 1869 Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico
6. PEDRO PINEDO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 05 MAY 1873 Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas, Mexico
7. PETRONILO PINEDO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 16 FEB 1874 Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico
8. PETRONILO PINEDO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 13 MAY 1879 Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico
9. PEDRO PINEDO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 19 MAY 1886 Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico
10. PEDRO PINEDO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 15 MAY 1889 Bolanos, Jalisco, Mexico
Auturo,
Thanks again for taking this on and for your insights. I've been looking for Pineda records for some time now, and I've gotten discouraged at times at the lack of progress on my own Pineda line, even as my other family line research has been very productive.
Anyway, your most recent findings reminded me that I found the burial record for Antonia Minjarez awhile back. It confirms your findings, somehat: her parents are listed as Felipe Minjarez and Maria Natividad GURROLA, not GODOY. Not sure what to make of that, but perhaps I can follow up and see what I can find in the Tepechitlan records, or other nearby towns. I've uploaded this film in the Albums section.
As far as the names of Nicanor's parents goes, perhaps you're right: I thought it read "____dosa" meaning the name could be Mendosa or Cardosa, but I'll keep in mind it might be Rosa or Losa. Unfortunately, I don't really have any other resources to work from. Nicanor Pineda died when my grandfather was 15, before he was old enough to ask about his ancestry. My grandfather was born 1930 in Laredo, Texas where I'm not sure the baptism records are as in-depth as I've found them to be in Mexico. What's also interesting is that my grandfather was born when Nicanor Pineda was age 46 and as far as we know, my grandfather was his first child.
I'll see what else I can find...thanks again,
Chris
Creo que es posible que soy un descendente de la original familia Aguayo de
Nochistlan, y antes de Valladolid, Espana. Tengo muchas copias de
Nochistlan documentos de Aguayo.
Ed,
I tried emailing you in response to a similar Aguayo posting of yours here:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/23816?page=4
but I dont think it worked. May I see what you have compiled? My email is 245luigi@gmail.com.
I just checked my tree and and I dont have any of these couples, but I am interested in the Aguayo family as well.
Thank you,
Alex
Hi, Alex,
I have a large DB of Aguayo entries for Nochistlan, Zac and other nearby places also. I'd be happy to share. What surnames are you interested in?
Ed Nissen P.
209 586 3307
Estimado Señores:
Amigos sobre Francisco Muñoz de la Barba y Catalina Gutierrez Rubio yo Los Tengo Registrados Como sigue: Francisco Muñoz de la Barba y de Espindola, y A Catalina Fernandez de la Vega y Gonzalez de Hermosillo Como esposos.casados aprox.1619 y Procrearon 9 Hijos,Maria Muñoz de la Barba y Fernandez de la Vega,tambien, Isabel, Maria Josefa,Ana,Francisco,Benito,Jose,Francisca y Por Ultimo Luis. Los Padres de Francisco Muñoz de la Barba y de Espindola Son:Juan Muñoz de la Barba y Gonzalez de Hermosillo.y su Madres es:Ana de Espindola y Cataño.Los Padres de Catalina Fernandez de la Vega y Gonzalez de Hermosillo son:Francisco Fernandez de la Vega y Rubio y Ana Gonzalez de Hermosillo. los Cuales tu tuvieron Diez Hijos:Maria, Miguel,Ana,Francisco,Maria,Diego,Catalina Francisco II,Juan y Juan D.
saludos a todos.y recuerden que como humanos todos tenemos errores y aun los registros eclesiasticos, civiles o de cualquier otra indole tienen errores pero si todos cooperamos podemos hacer las cosas mucho mejor,por lo que si pueden ayudarme lo agradecere.
Francisco Muñoz de la Barba, husband of Catalina Gutierrez Rubio, is not the son of Juan Muñoz de la Barba y Ana de Espíndola. That dates don’t line up
For clarification, see what ingeniero José de Jesus Barba Ornelas posted:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/23601?page=1
R.A Ricci
Amigos sobre Francisco Muñoz de la Barba y Catalina Gutierrez Rubio yo Los Tengo Registrados Como sigue: Francisco Muñoz de la Barba y de Espindola, y A Catalina Fernandez de la Vega y Gonzalez de Hermosillo Como esposos.casados aprox.1619 y Procrearon 9 Hijos,Maria Muñoz de la Barba y Fernandez de la Vega,tambien, Isabel, Maria Josefa,Ana,Francisco,Benito,Jose,Francisca y Por Ultimo Luis. Los Padres de Francisco Muñoz de la Barba y de Espindola Son:Juan Muñoz de la Barba y Gonzalez de Hermosillo.y su Madres es:Ana de Espindola y Cataño.Los Padres de Catalina Fernandez de la Vega y Gonzalez de Hermosillo son:Francisco Fernandez de la Vega y Rubio y Ana Gonzalez de Hermosillo. los Cuales tu tuvieron Diez Hijos:Maria, Miguel,Ana,Francisco,Maria,Diego,Catalina Francisco II,Juan y Juan D.
saludos a todos.
Para no contaminarme de tanto error plasmados en el escrito anterior voy poner el arbol genealogico que describe la situación anterior, lo anterior sin pretender ofender a nadie sino nadas mas de aclarar el entuerto que se nos presenta:
Segun mis investigaciones basadas en la cofradia de Xalostotitlan y San Juan de los Lagos
Ana Gonzalez Florida III, H.L. de Juan Gonzalez de Hermosilllo II y de Ana Gonzalez Florida- II, es la que casa con el Cap. Joséph Gonzalez de Rubalcava.
Ana González Florida II, ES H.L. deL Cap. Francisco Gutíerrez Rubio y de Ana González Florida- I
Es de Ana Gonzalez Florida I, de quien no sabemos nada, hasta el momento.
Pero espero que el siguiente dato nos de alguna luz en el futuro y sera que tal vez no hemos buscado bien y estamos en espera de una persona con mejor visión que nosotros.
En Ocotlan, Jal nace el siguiente personaje.
Nicolas González-En Ocotlan- H.L. de Juan Gonzalez Florida y de Juana Hurtado,
Bautisado el 16-Feb.-1636
Sigue:Este Nicolas supuestamente casado en:
Nicolas Gonzalez Hurtado de Mendoza-En Ocotlan-H.L. de.........
Casa-20-Abril-1669, con
Doña Geronomina de Zarate-Zamora-H.L. ........
desgraciadamente los libros de matrimonio de Ocotlan, empiezan en 1689, asi que no puedo asegura que sea el mismo Nicolas, pero las probabilidades son como del 80% segun el Teorema de Paretto y 20 de que no lo sea, suponiendo, el maldito suponer una teoria para despues tirarla a pedradas, siempre me a funcionado, entonces partiendo de esta supuesto (Ah... caray hasta parezco cientifico matematico....), voy a construir mi arbol genealogico con esta familia:
Nicolas Gonzalez de Mendoza casa en Ocotlan el 20-Abril-1669, como ya dije con doña Geronima de Zarate ( Segun dispensa de 14-Mayo-1783,es H.L. de Nicolas de Estrada y de Clara Castellanos y ademas usa Hortiz de Zarate y de la Mora), y son padres entre otros de Bartholome Miguel Gonzalez de Sahagun y de Mendoza que casa en Ocotlan el 24-fEB.-1726, con Doña Agustina de Mendoza y de Vera H.L. de Antonio y de Juana Agustina de Vera y Castellanos, Bartholome Miguel y Agustina son padres entre otros de Maria Barbara González de Sahagun y Mendoza, quien casa en Ocotlan segun su inf. Matrimonial el 15-Abril-1706, con mi ascendiente directo Don Joseph Manuel Juan Romero de Benjuamua H.L. Don Joseph Romero de Benjuamua y de Doña Juana de Zamora-Navarro-de la Mora, estos personajes son padres entre otros de Don Juan Manuel Romero de Benjuamua, quien viudo de Doña Rita Perez de Vargas, casa en Ocotlan con Doña Maria Ygnacia Rosalia Perez de Bargas y de Estrada, el 26-Mayo-1783 y dispensa de parentesco en cuarto grado de consanguinidad, dada en Valladolid el 14-Mayo-1783, estos, personajes son padres entre otros, de Doña Antonia Romero de Benjuamua y Perez de Bargas,quien casa en Ocotlan el (Fecha pendiente) con Don Joseph Feliciano Macias Valadez y Marquez H.L. de Joseph Casimiro y de Ria Brigida,, Padres estos personajes de Don Joseph Desiderio Macias Valadez, quien casa en Tepatitlan, Jal. el 12-Feb.-1831, con Doña Agustina Garcia Robledo y estos Señores padres de Doña Petra Macias Valadez Garcia, quien casa en tepatitlan con Don Joseph Antonio Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza y de la Torre, padres a su vez de Doña Elena Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza y Macias Valadez, quien casa con Don Joseph Liborio Muñoz de la Barba Becerra, padres entre otros de mi abuelo paterno Don Simon Barba Gomez casado con Doña Genoveva Gonzalez-Rubio y de la Mota Padilla, mi abuela. Con esto doy fin a esta larga aclaración, diciendo que Jaime Helcombe I., era muy dificil que se equivocara y si lo hizo fue de dedo porque el manejaba sus datos, pero tambien como de 14 investigadores que compartiamos nuestros datos con el, el los compartia con todos con permiso y sin el, el siempre tenia ventaja, con esto finalizo este tema, esperando les haya servido de algo, sin otro particulae les envio un cordial saludo a todos los colaboradores del Foro.
El comentario anterior lleva un errores a proposito para que vean que facil es equivocarse de dedo aunque mentalmente tu piensas correctamente, el error consiste en que equivoque a los padres de Nicolas ya que supuestamente Nicolas es H.L. de Juan Gonzalez Florida y de Juana Hurtado, y aqui aplico el dicho que se dice en España "Que no existe Ponce que no sea de León ni Hurtado que no sea de Mendoza", yo conoci muy bien a Jaime Helcombe Isunza, cuando venia a León, siempre se alojaba en la casa de Jesús Padilla Muñoz, hasta que tuvieron diferencias, porque Jaime no cumplio un contrato sobre la familia Padilla, fue un mal entendido, hasta que vino Don Jorge Palomino a enredar mas las investigaciones con su obra, el presente escrito contiene otros errores tales como Ria en ves de Rita, el 24-fEB. "EL APELLIDO CORRECTO ES ROMERO DE BENJUMUA",
A quien corresponda: Muchas gracias por sus comentarios al respecto a Ana Gonzalez Florida. Voy a tratar de desenredar mi árbol genealógico que he tener equivocado. Mi pregunta es:
De donde viene lo de Florida?
Porque los antepasados de Melchor Gonzalez Hermosillo pasan a Gavilan?
En mi primera investigación tengo a Gonzalo Gonzalez y en otra rama me sale Juan Gavilán.
Alguien tiene explicaciones?
Gracias, Alma Gonzalez Hermosillo
Hola Daniel,
Javier Sanchiz Ruiz tiene a la esposa de Joseph González de Ruvalcaba Rodas como Ana González de Hermosillo González Florida en su página de Geneanet, cuya página he mencionado múltiples veces en este foro. Javier tiene a Ana como hija de Juan González de Hermosillo Muñoz y Ana González Florida y nieta de Francisco Gutiérrez Rubio y Ana González Florida. Esto es importante para mi porque mi 5a abuela Ygnacia González de Rubalcava Moreno de Ortega desciende de las personas antemencionadas.
La ficha de Ana González de Hermosillo González Florida se encuentra en http://gw5.geneanet.org/index.php3?b=sanchiz&lang=es;p=ana;n=gonzalez+d…
Saludos,
Armando
Estimado armando:
Gracias por la confirmacion he enviado mensajes a Javier Sanchiz. Tengo mas
confianza con su trabajo ya que cita sus fuentes. Nunca me di cuenta de esta
linea. Se que unas de las hijas de los antemencionados si utilizo Gonzalez Florida,
pienso que es Juana quien caso a un Calderon. Cuando revise mis archivos lo que
dijo Jaime Holcombe no era correcto, aunque esta Ana de Hermosillo si esta vinculado
con Gonzalez Rubio pero por otra linea. Esta ni tiene nada que ver con Munoz de la Barba
aunque si son parientes pero otra Ana. Lo que dice Javier lo confirma gracias por
ser muy gentil en proporcionar la informacion que comparte Javier.
Daniel Méndez Camino
Me da gusto poder compartir contigo algo aunque en forma pequeña por lo mucho que me has ayudado. Le pido el favor de pasarme las fuentes de esas personas en cuanto te informas de ellas.
Armando
Hola, Daniel o Armando.
Yo tengo una duda con respecto a Ana Gonzalez Florida, porque sera que yo tengo datos de que ella se caso con Diego Sanchez Carranza ? y que tuvieron a una hija que se llamo Magdalena Carranza y que Magdalena Carranza en concubinato ilicito tubo a Maria Cayetana Casillas Carranza?
Sera que yo la estoy confundiendo con la Otra Ana Gonzalez Florida? porque hubieron la uno y la dos no?
si me pueden ayudar en esto porque estoy confundida.
Gracias, Martha Gomez
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Hola Daniel,
Javier Sanchiz Ruiz tiene a la esposa de Joseph González de Ruvalcaba Rodas como Ana González de Hermosillo González Florida en su página de Geneanet, cuya página he mencionado múltiples veces en este foro. Javier tiene a Ana como hija de Juan González de Hermosillo Muñoz y Ana González Florida y nieta de Francisco Gutiérrez Rubio y Ana González Florida. Esto es importante para mi porque mi 5a abuela Ygnacia González de Rubalcava Moreno de Ortega desciende de las personas antemencionadas.
La ficha de Ana González de Hermosillo González Florida se encuentra en http://gw5.geineanet.org/index.php3?b=sanchiz&lang=es;p=ana;n=gonzalez+…
Saludos,
Armando
Hubo tres Ana Gonzalez-Florida. La primeras casada con Francisco Gutierrez Rubio" El Viejo". La segunda hija de Fco Gtz y Ana Glz Florida casa con Juan Gonzalez Hermosillo "El Mozo". La tercera hija de Juan y Ana Glz debio casar Diego Sanchez.
Sergio Gutierrez
Estimada Martha:
Es conocido que Ana González Rubio, tercera de su nombre atraves de su madre y abuela materna. Nunca he visto un fuente que Magdalena Sánchez de Carranza tuvo hija ilegítima María Cayetana? Si es Casillas podía ser Casillas Cabera? Podías compartir esta información. A cuanto Magdalena casó a Nicolás Hernández según Jaimbe Holcombe ca. 1696. Es todo que tengo de esta pareja. Cuando cito (para referencia en el futuro) Jaime Holcombe digo los registros familiares que entregó a la Iglesia de Jesucristo de los Santos de los Últimos Días para la obra vicaria de los muertos.
Efectuamente, desciendo (através del gentilísimo Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez, que tomó tiempo en buscarme una dispensa que me dio luz) de Diego Sánchez Carranza por su
Hija Beatriz Sánchez Carranza quien casó a Alonso Muñoz de Hermosillo quien casó a Joseph Leonel-Gómez de Cervantes aquí es donde termino con estos Gómez de Cervantes; es una linea de mi padre aunque los he estudiado por el tronco principal pero todavía no conecto con el tronco que es el comendador Leonel de Cervantes. Esta familia eran “los últimos” mexicanos que poseyeron el título de conde de Santiago de Calimaya.
Daniel Méndez Camino
Estimado Armando:
Empezamos con el capitán don Joseph González de Ruvalcaba casó dos veces primer nupcias con Ana González de Hermosillo NO González Florida como fue antemencionada. Todavía no puedo decir quien eran los padres de esta Ana hasta que algunas cosas están establecidas. Primermente don Jaime Holcombe la puso como hija de Francisco Muñoz de la Barba y Catalina Gutiérrez Rubio esto es falso. Lo pruebé con registros fidedignos especialmente los apellidos que utiliza sus vástagos. Segundo, don Javier Sanchiz, hombre que también respeto dice que era hija de Juan González de Hermosillo, el moço y Ana González Florida, primer de su nombre, “la abuela”. Tercer Holcombe dice que la misma Ana hija de Hermosillo y González Florida casó a Diego Sánchez Carranza, pero como mencioné Sanchiz dice que la que casó al capitán Joseph es hija de los antemencionados. Me pregunto si Ana González de Hermosillo fué casada dos veces? ¿Con González de Ruvalcaba y Sánchez Carranza?
El capitán Joseph González de Ruvalcaba y Ana González de Hermosillo tuvieron bastante sucesión, fíjate a los apellidos que utilizan: 1) Nicolasa González de Ruvalcaba 14 de junio de 1666, Juana González Florida bautizada 20 de diciembre de 1676, Melchor González de Ruvalcaba bautizado 5 de febrero de 1662, Fulgencio González de Hermosillo bautizado 6 de agost de 1658, Ana González de Ruvalcaba b. 23 de marzo de 1651, todos en Santa María de los Lagos. Además tuvieron a María González de Ruvalcaba y Úrsula González Florida.
Juana González Florida casó 2l 15 de agosto de 1691 en Santa María de los Lagos con Juan Calderón de la Barca, español originario de Puebla de los Ángeles y vecino de Santa María de los Lagos hijo de Agustín Calderón de la Barca y María de Herrera vecinos de dicho lugar.
Melchor González de Ruvalcaba casó el 7 de febrero de 1690 con María de Ysasi y Cuevas en Santa María de los Lagos hija de Nicolás Martín del Campo y Sebastiana Muñoz. La descendencia lo ignoro.
Fulgencio González de Hermosillo casó Josefa Sánchez de los Hinojos hija del capitán y alcalde ordinario de Aguascalientes Nicolás Fernández de Palos también conocido como Nicolás de Palos y Leonor Sánchez de los Hinojos. Ignoro la descendencia.
María González de Hermosillo casó Giàccomo Carlini el 23 de noviembre de 1676 en Ciénega de Mata, hacienda y mayorazgo de los Rincón Gallardo era su segunda mujer. Este caballero es un gran ejemplo de los bastante italianos que emigraron a los reinos españoles era del Obispado de Padova en de Venezia en los Reinos de Italia. Este casó primeramente Antonia Ortiz de Saavedra el 19 de marzo de 1669 en Ciénega de Mata originaria de Santa María de los Lagos. Tuvieron sucesión. Carlini falleció 1 de julio de 1697 en Santa María de los Lagos. Modificaron el apellido a “de Carlín”
Finalmente Úrsula González Florida casó Gonzalo Rodríguez Gallardo el 17 de octubre de 1667 en Santa María de los Lagos.
Ojalá que estos datos son útiles en la búsqueda.
Tengo más noticias de los González Florida en un post que viene estoy cansado al momento.
Daniel Méndez Camino
Estimado Daniel,
La esposa de Joseph González de Ruvalcaba y Rodas es mencionada como Ana González Florida en los matrimonios de sus hijos Melchor González de Robalcaba y Juana González Florida. De que haya pasado dos veces no pueden haber sido errores. Quien sabe que haya sido el motivo de mencionarla así.
Groom's Name: Juan Calderon
Bride's Name: Juana Gonsales Florida
Marriage Date: 15 Aug 1691
Marriage Place: Santa Maria De Los Lagos,Lagos De Moreno,Jalisco,Mexico
Groom's Father's Name: Agustin Calderon
Groom's Mother's Name: Catharina De Reyna
Bride's Father's Name: Joseph Gonsales De Rovalcava
Bride's Mother's Name: Ana Gonsales Florida
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60418-1
Source Film Number: 221512
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordimage&c=f…
Groom's Name: Melchor Gonsales De Robalcaba
Bride's Name: Maria De Yssassi
Marriage Date: 07 Feb 1690
Marriage Place: Santa Maria De Los Lagos,Lagos De Moreno,Jalisco,Mexico
Groom's Father's Name: Joseph Gonsales De Robalcaba
Groom's Mother's Name: Ana Gonsales Florida
Bride's Father's Name: Nicolas Martin Del Campo
Bride's Mother's Name: Sebastiana De Yssassi
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60418-1
Source Film Number: 221512
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordimage&c=f…
De esta ultima pareja desciendo por medio de su hijo Pedro quien casó con Ana Petra Moreno de Ortega Gamiño. Te recuerdo cuando había hecho un hilo sobre el tema - http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/18959
Armando
Edgar Olguin Diaz
buenas tardes Daniel Méndez Camino
un cordial saludo
uan pregunta donde esta ubicado la defuncion de Giàccomo Carlini , Carlini falleció 1 de julio de 1697 en Santa María de los Lagos?
no lo eh podido encontrar esta defuncion.
tiene informacion sobre el linaje de Giàccomo Carlini?
espero y me puedas ayudar te lo agradezceria mucho
gracias por la atencion prestada
que tengan un excelente dia
No hay que confundir. Los Gómez de Cervantes emparentan con la familia del
Comendador Leonel de Cervantes. Las hijas de este último, casaron con el
conquistador Juan Villaseñor y Orozco y la otra con un vástago de los
Cervantes y Avellaneda, descendientes de Nuño Alfonso, de donde surge la
familia Cervantes en México; de la cual, más adelante, en el siglo XVII un
miembro de esta familia, enlazará con los Altamirano Velasco y Castilla,
Condes de Santiago de Calimaya, que es otra familia muy distinta. Existe
mucha bibliografía al respecto y el tema se halla abundantemente estudiado.
Saludos
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Para: Nuestros Ranchos
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ana González de Hermosillo González Florida
Estimada Martha:
Es conocido que Ana González Rubio, tercera de su nombre atraves de su madre
y abuela materna. Nunca he visto un fuente que Magdalena Sánchez de Carranza
tuvo hija ilegítima María Cayetana? Si es Casillas podía ser Casillas
Cabera? Podías compartir esta información. A cuanto Magdalena casó a Nicolás
Hernández según Jaimbe Holcombe ca. 1696. Es todo que tengo de esta pareja.
Cuando cito (para referencia en el futuro) Jaime Holcombe digo los registros
familiares que entregó a la Iglesia de Jesucristo de los Santos de los
Últimos Días para la obra vicaria de los muertos.
Efectuamente, desciendo (através del gentilísimo Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez,
que tomó tiempo en buscarme una dispensa que me dio luz) de Diego Sánchez
Carranza por su
Hija Beatriz Sánchez Carranza quien casó a Alonso Muñoz de Hermosillo quien
casó a Joseph Leonel-Gómez de Cervantes aquí es donde termino con estos
Gómez de Cervantes; es una linea de mi padre aunque los he estudiado por el
tronco principal pero todavía no conecto con el tronco que es el comendador
Leonel de Cervantes. Esta familia eran los últimos mexicanos que poseyeron
el título de conde de Santiago de Calimaya.
Daniel Méndez Camino
Estimado Guillermo:
Sí, es verdad no fui específico a cuanto las familias distintas. A cuanto los condes de Santiago de Calimaya por seguro ya lo has estudiado doña Ana María Gutiérrez Altamirano de Velasco, IX condesa de Santiago de Calimaya casó a Ignacio María Leonel Gómez de Cervantes o Leonel de Cervantes La Higuera. Como pasó el título maternalmente, ya que los últimos miembros de la familia Altamirano de Velasco falleceron pasó la sucesión a los Gómez de Cervantes. Joseph María Gómez de Cervantes hijo de los antemencionados. Éste tuvo hermanos que utlizaron los apellidos Urrutia de Vergara y otro que usó López de Peralta. Fue difícil reconstruir este árbol ya que no tuve idea que los mayorazgos tenían condiciones en llevar un apellido en varios casos pasó el apellido del mayorazgo al quien lo poseía. Por otra línea vengo de los López de Peralta que ha sido una ventura en mi búsqueda he encontrado bastante en esta familia. Fallece las líneas de descendencia por la línea agnaticia pero pasó el apellido através del mayorazgo maternalmente. Todavía es una rompecabezas pero poco a poco.
Saludos,
Daniel Méndez Camino
Estimado Armando:
Ana de Hermosillo si utilzó González Florida. Según Javier Sanchiz que no tengo duda que sabe que está documentado por sus fuentes, es hija de Juan González de Hermosillo y Ana González Florida seguro donde surge González Florida. Jaime Holcombe la pone la misma Ana González Florida como mujer de Diego Sánchez Carranza, mi antepasado.
Cual era el hombre de Ana González Florida: Diego Sánchez Carranza o el capitán Joseph González de Ruvalcaba? O podía ser los dos, fue casada dos veces?
Juan González de Hermosillo y Ana González Florida I tuvieron tres hijas que fueron nombres similares, Ana, Ana María y Mariana.
Sanchiz pone María como esposa de Francisco de Casillas y Cabrera, es bien coincide que yo tengo. Ana María como mujer de Nicolás Moreno de Ortega, esta tengo duda ya que en una matrimonia Ana María utilizó el apellido Gutiérrez de Hermosillo. No podía ser hija de Juan y Ana. El primer que utilizó este apellido era Sebastián Gutiérrez de Hermosillo y María Galindo. Jaime Holcombe la puso como hija suyas, Mariana que casó Nicolás Moreno de Ortega, en esta es Mariana no Ana María como lo hace Sanchiz.
Realmente hay mucha confusión en estas líneas y sus principios del siglo XVII, necesito ver comprobación. Una cosa es sospecho otra cosa es saber sin ninguna duda.
Saludos,
Daniel Méndez Camino
Estimado Daniel,
Mariana y Ana María es el mismo nombre. He visto que ha pasado esto con otras del mismo nombre que en el bautismo esta escrito de una forma y en el matrimonio o los bautismos de sus hijos es de otra forma. Pasa lo mismo con Petra, Petrona y Petronila o con Juan Jose y etc. No eran estrictos en ese aspecto, igual que no eran estrictos con los apellidos ni con la ortografía de palabras comunes. En cuanto a esa familia estamos dando vuelta a un tema que ya he tocado en http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19107#comment-19640 cual hilo fue precipitado por una pregunta que hice a Miguel Beltran cuando me envió un reporte ancestral de Mariano Azuela Glz que fue precipitado por el hilo sobre el escritor que empecé. Mariana o María Ana era nieta de Francisco Gutiérrez Rubio y Ana Glz Florida I. Posiblemente es por eso que a ve+a Gutiérrez.
Submitted by victorianonavarro on Fri, 2010-11-26 19:04.
El siguiente libro trae los siguientes datos:
MLMH) María de la Luz Montejano Hilton, Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia. Expedientes de la Serie de Matrimonios. Extractos Siglos XVII-XVIII, México, DF, 1999
MLMH 2755: Lagos de Moreno, Jal. Diciembre 26 de 1697. Exp. 95-.
Dispensa de tercero grado con cuarto grado de consanguinidad.-
Miguel de Moreno Ortega, de 34 años, natural y vecino de esta Villa de Santa maría de los Lagos, viudo de Doña Juana de Marmolejo y Pedraza, hijo legítimo de Nicolás Moreno de Ortega y de Doña Mariana González Hermosillo (abuelo materno: Juan González de Hermosillo); pretende casarse con Doña Cathalina Martínez Gallardo, natural y vecina de la feligresía de Xalostotitlan, hija legítima de Don Joseph Martínez Gallardo y de Doña Theresa Camacho (abuelo paterno: Juan Camacho Riquelme, hijo de Theresa González de Hermosillo).
Los dichos Juan González de Hermosillo y Theresa González de Hermosillo fueron hemanos.
MLMH 1622: Lagos de Moreno, Jal. Julio 15 de 1730. Exp. 23-.
Don Miguel Moreno Ortega casado con Doña Catharina Gallardo era hijo de Don Nicolás Moreno de Ortega, a su vez Nicolás era hijo de Doña Josepha de Villegas, hermana legítima de Doña María González.
Armando
Estimado Armando:
Gracias por la claración. Aunque no sé more Mariana o Ana María utilizaba el apellido Gutiérrez de Hermosillo. La dispensa claramente la pone como hija de Juan González de Hermosillo. Esta vez utilza el apellido González invez de Gutiérrez. Por lo tanto por el lado contrayente Juan Camacho Riquelme hijo de Teresa González de Hermosillo, los cuales sabemos que eran hijos de Juan González de Hermosillo el viejo y María Muñoz Cabeza, he visto algunos genealogista poner esta como Muñoz Cabeza de Vaca, ni sé donde surge o que dato lo afirma, aunque si existe el apellido antemencionado. Encontré un expediente citado en el libro de Mario Gómez que dice que esta María es hija de Francisco Muñoz luego encuentro la cita, pienso era una capellanía o algo así que formó en Santa María de los Lagos a los fines del siglo XVII.
Ya que está aclarado de Mariana de Hermosillo. Todavía tengo unas dudas sobre otras cosas luego te dejo saber ya que podemos discutirlo.
Daniel Méndez Camino
Estimado Armando,
No quiero decir que estes equivocado y que en tu caso en particular una Mariana y una Ana Maria sean la misma persona. Sin embargo, debemos evitar hacer generalizaciones. Respecto a nombres compuestos, Mariana y Maria Ana son frequentemente utilizados indistintamente como el mismo nombre (e.g., Mariana Montoro= Maria Ana Montoro), pero no necesariamente intercambiables con Ana Maria. Tengo un ejemplo de una Ana Maria y una Mariana sin lugar a duda hermanas. Es posible que existan excepciones, pero en mi experiencia esto no es comun. Para hombres tengo dos hermanos, uno Juan Jose y el otro Jose Juan, los que tenian cuatro hermanos llamados Jose combinado con otro nombre (e.g., Andres, Antonio, Manuel, etc.) y un quinto, el mayor, simplemente bautizado como Jose. Como bien sabes, esta situacion se puede convertir en una pesadilla. En resumen, el orden de nombres comunes puede ser bien importante, inclusive como tu sabes para distinguir genero, como en Jose Maria (hombre) y Mari
a Jose (Mujer).
Jaime
Armando,
Sabes si Maria Yssassi, hija de Nicolas Martin y Sebastiana Yssassi estuvo tambien casada con Antonio Vazquez de Zermeño? Asi la tengo en mi base de datos, pero no tengo documentacion que soporte ese matrimonio.
Saludos
Jaime
Jaime:
Según el Family Search es correcto lo que mencionas:
record title: Mexico Marriages, 1570-1950
groom's name: Antonio Vasquez Sermeno
bride's name: Maria De Yzasi
marriage date: 25 May 1681
marriage place: Santa Maria De Los Lagos,Lagos De Moreno,Jalisco,Mexico
groom's father's name: Juan Vasquez Sermeno
groom's mother's name: Thereza De Anda
bride's father's name: Nicolas Martin Del Campo
bride's mother's name: Sebastiana De Yssazi
indexing project (batch) number: M60418-1
system origin: Mexico-ODM
source film number: 221512
Miguel Beltran
Estimado Jaime,
Hablaba sobre el caso particular de la confusión que hicieron los dos investigadores. Seria demasiado trabajo revisar todos los que son María Ana y Ana María para saber cuantas veces tuvieron su nombre intercambiado. Como quiera yo no estaba generalizando, solo diciendo que así era, sin importar la frecuencia que ocurre. Y si, a veces si el orden tiene mucha importancia, y a veces ninguna. Que tambien seria demasiado trabajo investigar la frecuencia. Hay que tener una mente abierta para estar preparado para las dos posibilidades.
Armando
No reliable complete index exists of the Colotlan baptisms of the early 1800's -- not on Ancestry, not on FamilySearch, not in the church books themselves.
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Wow! Have not looked at the newsletter in ages. When did they go political! 30% or more has nothing to do with genealogy. It’s offensive to see abortion and political content in a genealogy newsletter.
I have to agree, I find most of their content totally offensive.
I simply immediately hit the delete button.
To the Forum: I had asked for help to find my grandfather Rito Gonzalez. I wanted to let the Forum know that I found my grandfathers family. They also had been searching for family members.
I am searching for my grandmother Leandra Castaneda She was born on February 27 1890 in Zacatecas, Mexico. She was married to Rito Gonzalez.
Thank You
Hi Mary,
I have an Ancestry account and looked there and there's a family tree that for a Leandra Castaneda married to a Rito Gonzalez. They have her parents as Rodrigo Castaneda and Leonides Romo. It is Ancestry so I'm not sure how accurate it is, but they have actual pictures of her and Rito Gonzalez so they may have more knowledge than others.
Paige
Dear Mary and Paige,
Rodrigo Castañeda and Leonidas Romo are the parents of a Leandra Castaneda. But there are many issues with this Leandra. She was baptized on 14/Mar/1886 in Aguascalientes
The Leandra Castaneda that you are looking for is from Zacatecas, and from the same town as María Leandra Losano Castaneda.
Rick
I did find Maria Leandra Losano Castaneda but she died at a young age.
Thank You
I have researched this Leandra Castaneda but she was baptized in 1885 my grandmother was born in 1890. The entry in Ancestry was entered by my sister but I do not believe it is my grandmother to many contradictions.
Thank You
The account on Ancestry is my sisters and she has connected these people as my grandmothers parents. I am in doubt because this Leandra was baptized in 1885 and was born in Aguascaliente. My grandmother was born in 1890 in Zacatecas Mexico.
Thank You
Dear Mary,
On a previous post I gave you the answer. I will post it again.
I believe that Leandra Castañeda is the same person known as María Leandra Losano Castañeda,. The location, place and time all fit. So her father’s surname is Losano and her mother’s surname is Castañeda.
Leandra Castañeda was born about the 26th or 27th Feb/1871 in Zacatecas. You can comb the records in Zacatecas around this birth date and look for baptismal and birth records to get information on her parents and grandparents.
Rick A A. Ricci
I did get your pervious answer but the birthday does not match my grandmothers she was born in 1890. I do not think this is my grandmother.
Thank You.
Hello Rick.
This is what I see:
"... Ant[onio] hilario Ynd[io] orig[inario] de S[an] Gasp[ar] de la felig[recia] de Xalostot[itlan] Vez[ino] de / esta de mas dies a[ños] hijo leg[itimo] de Ju[an] Fran[cisco] y de Cath[arina] Luisa Y a M[aria] / Ant[onia] M[ulata] desta felig[recia] en S[an] el Serro Gordo de S[an] Ant[onio] hija leg[itima] de / Joachin de Cerbantes dif[unto] Y de Ant[onia] hern[andez] ..."
(It seems like the "S[an]" in front of "el Serro Gorro" was written down there by mistake)
There are no last names for the parents of Antonio Hilario because he is "Yndio".
I hope this may help.
I think that is Francisco because back then they would abbreviate names by writing the last letter smaller and above the rest. That is what I have read but I might be wrong. This one is a tough document to read.
Thank you G Alvarez, Ruben, and Esther.
I agree with all of you that it says Francisco and that it is not the surname Franco. I was hoping that this was Antonio Franco and Ysabel Cervantes’s marriage récord, but it is now clear that these are different people.
The Antonio Franco that I am looking for was married for a second time on 2/Sep/1788 to Maria Manuela Luera, daughter of Thomas Luera and Juana Gertrudis Lopez. Their marriage record names her parents, states that he is a widower, and that his previous wife is named Ysabel Cervantes. I was hoping to find the record of his first marriage to find out his parent’s names.
Thank you,
Rick A. Ricci
The marriage record of Antonio Hilario Franco is the second record on the left side. I mistakenly wrote that it was in the top left corner.
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
Hi Rick,
It looks like there are two names, Jph. or Jus. The second name looks like Francisco but abbreviated (Franco).
Thanks
Esther
Hi Esther,
Thanks for your help. The surname is Franco. I am also unsure of the other parents’ names.
I would appreciate more thoughts on their names.
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
For his parents I see ..."hijo legmo de Ju Franco y de Catha Lucia..." so possibly Juan Franco and Catalina or Catarina Lucía.
For her parents I see "...hija legma de Joachin de Cerbantes difo y de Anta hern..." so it might be Joaquín de Cervantes, deceased, and Antonia Hernández.
I hope this helps.
In the marriage doc of my ancestor Melchor Perez Ynfante and Michaela Vaez it mentions that she was Originaria Del Real, Minas Del Fresnillo?Where is this place located?
Hi Abram,
I been working on my friend’s ancestry which also has Melchor Perez Ynfante y Lopez and Micaela Vaez. My friend, Victorio, descends from Their son Melchor Manuel Perez.
The parents of Melchor Perez Ynfante y Lopez are Juan Perez Ynfante and Magdalena Lopez.
Rick A. Ricci
It says "Real y minas del fresnillo", and it should be the city of Fresnillo, Zacatecas. According to the RAE dictionary, "real de minas" is a town whose district has mines, especially silver mines. There are many towns whose name included the words Real, Real y minas or Real de minas like Guanajuato, Real de catorce, Pachuca, Zacatecas, etc.
Victoriano Navarro
Forgot to mention,
Juan Baez married to Maria Theresa Placencia
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18457-24895-14?cc=1874591&wc…
Hello, my name is Diana Baca Ragin
I am trying to locate baptismal records or birth records for my Grandmother Aurora Cordero, her mother's name was Senorina Borrego and father Aurelio Cordero. She had a sister named Ana Rebeca Cordero and brothers Miguel and Aurelio Cordero. She was supposedly born in Guadalajara or Fresnillo Mexico. Birth date is 1989 according to some border crossing information I have located. Other names that appear on siblings baptismal records are for my Great Grandparents Andrea Albasta and Margarita and Fuburio Lopez. It is hard to read so I am not sure I have the spellings correctly. Baptismal Records are in Fresnillo Mexico.
If someone could point me in the right direction I would appreciate it. I have been searching for years through online methods. I have located baptismal records for her siblings but not for her.
I would appreciate any help you may be able to give me.
Thank you,
Diana
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Sergio,
You peeked my interest. I was able to locate the burial for Rosa Cuevas on 16 November, 1784. Link: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18531-31010-3?cc=1874591&wc=…
Now, to our next conquest!
Deedra Corona
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Hello Diana,
There are many baptismal records that are missing. There are many that I
have never found. Don't be surprised if you never find the one that you are
looking for.
Armando
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Ragin, Diana wrote:
> Hello, my name is Diana Baca Ragin
>
> I am trying to locate baptismal records or birth records for my
> Grandmother Aurora Cordero, her mother's name was Senorina Borrego and
> father Aurelio Cordero. She had a sister named Ana Rebeca Cordero and
> brothers Miguel and Aurelio Cordero. She was supposedly born in
> Guadalajara or Fresnillo Mexico. Birth date is 1989 according to some
> border crossing information I have located. Other names that appear on
> siblings baptismal records are for my Great Grandparents Andrea Albasta and
> Margarita and Fuburio Lopez. It is hard to read so I am not sure I have
> the spellings correctly. Baptismal Records are in Fresnillo Mexico.
>
> If someone could point me in the right direction I would appreciate it. I
> have been searching for years through online methods. I have located
> baptismal records for her siblings but not for her.
>
> I would appreciate any help you may be able to give me.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Diana
>
>
>
>
Are you sure that she born in 1989?
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Hello, my name is Diana Baca Ragin
I am trying to locate baptismal records or birth records for my Grandmother Aurora Cordero, her mother's name was Senorina Borrego and father Aurelio Cordero. She had a sister named Ana Rebeca Cordero and brothers Miguel and Aurelio Cordero. She was supposedly born in Guadalajara or Fresnillo Mexico. Birth date is 1989 according to some border crossing information I have located. Other names that appear on siblings baptismal records are for my Great Grandparents Andrea Albasta and Margarita and Fuburio Lopez. It is hard to read so I am not sure I have the spellings correctly. Baptismal Records are in Fresnillo Mexico.
If someone could point me in the right direction I would appreciate it. I have been searching for years through online methods. I have located baptismal records for her siblings but not for her.
I would appreciate any help you may be able to give me.
Thank you,
Diana
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Sergio,
You peeked my interest. I was able to locate the burial for Rosa Cuevas on 16 November, 1784. Link: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18531-31010-3?cc=1874591&wc=…
Now, to our next conquest!
Deedra Corona
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It obviously a typo. She meant 1889.
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bgivenn…
Armando
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>
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>
>
> Hello, my name is Diana Baca Ragin
>
> I am trying to locate baptismal records or birth records for my
> Grandmother Aurora Cordero, her mother's name was Senorina Borrego and
> father Aurelio Cordero. She had a sister named Ana Rebeca Cordero and
> brothers Miguel and Aurelio Cordero. She was supposedly born in
> Guadalajara or Fresnillo Mexico. Birth date is 1989 according to some
> border crossing information I have located. Other names that appear on
> siblings baptismal records are for my Great Grandparents Andrea Albasta and
> Margarita and Fuburio Lopez. It is hard to read so I am not sure I have
> the spellings correctly. Baptismal Records are in Fresnillo Mexico.
>
> If someone could point me in the right direction I would appreciate it. I
> have been searching for years through online methods. I have located
> baptismal records for her siblings but not for her.
>
> I would appreciate any help you may be able to give me.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Diana
>
>
>
>
Not sure if anyone else has this family in their line or has worked out this Dispensa for Lorenzo Alonzo de los Ynojos y Beatris Flores de Baldes.
The reason why i'm asking is because the last ruler of granada apparently also went by the boabdil which sounds quite similar to bobadilla.
Hi,
Can someone please help me read the names on this marriage registration.
People getting married:,
Gabriel Benito Leonel de Cerbantes and Phelipa Gertrudis.
Dear Esther,
My wife descends from María G. Hernández, daughter of Cristobal Hernandez and Nicolasa De Alba (Ayala).
Cristobal Ernandes
Spouse's Name Nicolasa De Alba
Event Date 12 May 1691
Event Place San Agustin, Ayo El Chico, Jalisco, Mexico
Father's Name Cristobal Ernandes
Mother's Name Maria De Belasco
Spouse's Father's Name Nicolas De Ayala
Spouse's Mother's Name Nicolasa De Alba
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JHPC-SVM : 10 February 2018), Cristobal Ernandes and Nicolasa De Alba, 12 May 1691; citing San Agustin, Ayo El Chico, Jalisco, Mexico, reference 2:26WLL5V; FHL microfilm 280,814.
Cristobal Hernandez had family with three women.
I can more send more information on these lines.
Joseph de Cerbantes y Juana Carillo de Sandi are the names of the parents of the bride
Rick A. Ricci
Mygenes2000
Hi Rick,
I’m so excited and can’t believe I actually found someone on this forum with shared ancestors. Do you have your family tree on Ancestry or family search? I have a question though, Nicolasa Alba’s fathers name was Nicolas de Ayala and mother’s Nicolasa de Alba. Why would the daughter take the mothers last name and not the fathers? Maybe this is the reason I’m having a hard time finding records.
Thank you,
Esther
Hi Esther,
Not only did they sometimes take the surname of the mother, sometimes they took the surname of a grandparent. I have even seen people take the surname of a greatgrandparent. This happened often in the 1500’s and 1600’s; and less in the 1700’s. I have even found some instances in the 1800’s where this has happened.
Thanks,
Rick
Very interesting, I wonder why they did that.
You mentioned you had information on Cristobal Hernandez 3 women, would you please send me the information on these lines.
Cristobal Hernandez had family with three women.
I can more send more information on these lines.
I have another question and not sure if you know. So doing research on Ancestry.com I have noticed on peoples family trees they will have date of births on a person for example on Cristobal Hernandez (8 MAY 1667) but there are no records on ancestry that go back this far, wher would they have obtain this information from? I like to double check my work and confirm the information is correct before I add it my family tree.
Thank you,
Esther
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