Nuestros Ranchos Site

Alberto;

What an interesting memory! My Grandparents, (Feliciano and Rosa
Macias) donated the land to the church on which St. Xavier Catholic church
was built. Most of my aunts and uncles were married there. I was looking for
a relative and found the name in the records of marriage there. My Aunt
Aurora told me that it was not surprising and that I would find her and her
sisters there also. That was news to me.

My grandparents lived and died there in El Paso. My Macias line starts
there for me and it was nice to see your entry about that area. My dad,
Felix Macias, met and married my mom here in Los Angeles. I have never been
to El Paso, though most all of my branch of the Macias line still lives
there. I don't know where my El Paso relatives live there and know no one
there that could tell me where to look. I have a brick wall where it comes
to my great grand father -Francisco Macias because he is from somewhere in
Zacatecas. He had a ranch/farm there and that

Hello:

Indeed, Tangancicuaro is a municipio in the state of Michoacan. It 
is located very close to the city of Zamora. Last year, my 
girlfriend and I drove all the way from Jalisco to Patzcuaro, 
Michoacan. We stopped at several places in Michoacan, and one of 
them was the lake of Camecuaro in Tangancicuaro. Beautiful place. 

So Tangancicuaro is not in Jalisco. All names that end up in -cuaro 
have their origin on Purepecha, the ancient language of Michoacan.

By the way, do a google image search on "Tangancicuaro" 
or "Camecuaro" to see the beautiful images in that municipio.

Saludos,

Steve

PS. I apologize for getting out of the target area with this 
message. 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Erlinda Castanon-Long 
 wrote:
> Steve, I caught the name Tangancicuaro in your message.  Is that a 
city or a lake?  I have an ancestor who's marriage record says she 
is from Tangancicuaro and I can't find it in Jalisco? Could this be 
what I've been looking for, a

I checked those CD's, too. The DVD's (Jalisco and Michoacan) give a
lot of information about some of the ranchos on the states. They
missed some places, like Tapalpa and Sayula in Jalisco, or the lake of
Tangancicuaro in Michoacan, but in general it is worth it. Some songs
are nice, but they had to chose better performers in some of them.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Maria Hilda Mosqueda McGuire"
wrote:
> I want to recommend a CD/DVD I recently purchased from Univision.com;
> It is called Mexico en la Sangre, and they have one on Jalisco,
> Michoacan and Puebla. I bought the one from Michoacan as my granny
was
> born there. It has songs from that state as well a DVD

I checked those CD's, too. The DVD's (Jalisco and Michoacan) give a 
lot of information about some of the ranchos on the states. They 
missed some places, like Tapalpa and Sayula in Jalisco, or the lake of 
Tangancicuaro in Michoacan, but in general it is worth it. Some songs 
are nice, but they had to chose better performers in some of them.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Maria Hilda Mosqueda McGuire" 
 wrote:
> I want to recommend a CD/DVD I recently purchased from Univision.com;
> It is called Mexico en la Sangre, and they have one on Jalisco,
> Michoacan and Puebla. I bought the one from Michoacan as my granny 
was
> born there. It has songs from that state as well a DVD caminos de
> (city you are interested in) showing the towns in that state, I 
really
> enjoyed viewing it and learning a little bit about that state.It's
> like a mini tourist infomercial. Check it out. Hilda

I actually heard that song when I was a kid in Mexico, but a little 
bit different. It went something like this:

Acerrin, acerran,
los maderos de San Juan,
piden pan y no les dan,
piden queso y les dan hueso,
se les atora en el pescuezo,
y se ponen a llorar.

Steve A.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Irma GomezLucero  
wrote:
> How about the following song sung to children who are sitting on 
your lap,
> being rocked back and forth, while holding on to their arms :
>  
> Riqui ran, riqui ran,
> Los maderos de San Juan, 
> piden pan, no les dan.
> Les dan un palo detras del pezqueso. (this is when you let go of 
one of
> their arms, and do a gentle chopping on the back of their neck)
>  
> My parents have done this with all of their grandchildren.  The 
children
> used to laugh with glee even though they didn't understand Spanish.
>  
> Has anyone else heard this rocking song?
> Just wondering...
> Irma
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: Emilie Garcia [mailto:auntyemfaustus

Jose 3 of your spouses names are my names also, is she on this group also?

gloria

              ~~glo~~





From: jose munoz 
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Racial Classifications
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:24:50 -0700 (PDT)

I'm new to this group and read many of the groups
messages.. In my family lines there were hijo and
hijas naturales along with hijo/hijas legitimos. For
example 3 naturals out of family 12. I have a copy of
the Church Marriage Record.... so why a natural
baptism for 3 of them. I have a gggrandfather baptized
as a Don? Why at birth is someone named a don? Heir
apparent? Laborers, Sirvientes, miners.

I have a family line who think they are French. Why?
Because of Grandma's Green eyes! The truth of the
matters is they can not accept the fact they are
Indian decent mixed with espanoles.

I'm Mexican, born and raised in the U.S., and I'm
proud to be Mexican. My 4th greatgrandfather was
espanol

OK, Joseph.

I'll wait while you revise the text.  If you already have something 
worked out with John, I think he can manage the translation on his 
own with no problem.  Of course, if any of you want my opinion just 
let me know.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> Victor thanks,
> 
> I have something worked out with John Gonzalez and I would like to 
> include you in it as well if you both don't mind. I would like 
for "me" 
> to try to translate it.I'll do it in sections and I'll then send 
both 
> you and John the section . You guys can email each other until you 
both 
> are in agreement which translated version is easiest for most 
Spanish 
> speakers to understand. then we'll move on to the next section.
> 
> Marge Vallazza is going to do the English upgrade so it will be a 
little 
> while before I have my first section done.
> 
> thanks for the offer and when I'm ready I'll privately send you and 
John 
> the first section
> 
> thanks

I want to recommend a CD/DVD I recently purchased from Univision.com;
It is called Mexico en la Sangre, and they have one on Jalisco,
Michoacan and Puebla. I bought the one from Michoacan as my granny was
born there. It has songs from that state as well a DVD caminos de
(city you are interested in) showing the towns in that state, I really
enjoyed viewing it and learning a little bit about that state.It's
like a mini tourist infomercial. Check it out. Hilda 

We lived in a one room apartment near Washington Park,
across the street from St. Xavier Catholic church. 
The apartment was a dump (dirt floors) with the
bathroom aside shared with other tenants. We were a
very poor family, there were six of us counting my
grandmother.

El Paso at that time offered zero opportunities for
Mexican-Americans, so my dad moved all of us the Los
Angeles. There were many families from El Paso that
moved to Los Angeles back in the early '40s, including
one by the name of Antony Quinn who later won a couple
of Oscars-you see, we can make it if only given the
opportunity.

Alberto.
--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> Where did you live in El Paso at that time?  I lived
> across from Sacred 
> Heart Church and School for the first 8 years of my
> life.  As a kid, I 
> hated going across the border because it was so
> unfamiliar to be and 
> because of all the noise, the exotic odors, the
> beggars, and the 
> language.  I was always afraid

Where did you live in El Paso at that time? I lived across from Sacred Heart Church and School for the first 8 years of my life. As a kid, I hated going across the border because it was so unfamiliar to be and because of all the noise, the exotic odors, the beggars, and the language. I was always afraid, although no one would have harmed me but that's how I was then. Now, I can appreciate everything about it, including the interesting architecture. Marge:)





On Jun 27, 2005, at 4:03 PM, Alberto Duarte wrote:

Good and sad times:

We also went to the Marcado in Juarez back in the

early '50s.  My mom would buy dry goods which were

really expensive for us to buy in the United States

(Los Angeles).  Would you believe that we also

purchased young parrots and smuggled them across to El

Paso!  Later on this turned out to be a sad

remembrance for me, when I found out that thousands,

maybe millions, of the these beautiful birds were

wiped out of the rain forests in Mexico, just

Joseph, 

I'll do the translating for you. Just give me a little time and I'll 
email you the Spanish version. 

Just one thing.  Should I wait until you make final revisions to the 
English original?  

Victor



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> Who is the English Major in the group? I really really need help 
getting 
> the following form letter into the proper English before I work 
with 
> John and anyone else that would care to join in translating it into 
Spanish.
> 
> Can someone help me with the English?
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: its okay to tear it to shreds and rewrite if that is what it 
needs. 
> All I care about is that the basic information be included.
> 
> ====================
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm glad you are interested in joining the Ranchos group: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/. We are a small but 
dedicated 
> group of serious researchers. Here is the description of the group 
from 
> our home page:
> 
> "This group is for

Good and sad times:
We also went to the Marcado in Juarez back in the
early '50s.  My mom would buy dry goods which were
really expensive for us to buy in the United States
(Los Angeles).  Would you believe that we also
purchased young parrots and smuggled them across to El
Paso!  Later on this turned out to be a sad
remembrance for me, when I found out that thousands,
maybe millions, of the these beautiful birds were
wiped out of the rain forests in Mexico, just because
of greed and ignorance.

Alberto.

--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> When I was a kid, we would cross the border into
> Juarez with my aunts 
> and mother to go shopping at the Mercado, and one of
> the merchants had 
> a display of pinole.  It was sold in paper
> cones--sometimes piñata-type 
> paper and sometimes newspaper.  I liked it...didn't
> get it too often, 
> though.  Marge:)
> On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:03 AM, Irma GomezLucero
> wrote:
> 
> >   Pinole is great with a little milk--sort of a
>

When I was a kid, we would cross the border into Juarez with my aunts and mother to go shopping at the Mercado, and one of the merchants had a display of pinole. It was sold in paper cones--sometimes piñata-type paper and sometimes newspaper. I liked it...didn't get it too often, though. Marge:)

On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:03 AM, Irma GomezLucero wrote:

  Pinole is great with a little milk--sort of a mush.  Love it for

breakfast.  Has anyone heard the following expression:



      El que tiene mas saliva, come mas pinole.



Sorry didn't use accents even after the flood of emails on the subject.  My

engineer and architect cousins from Mexico D.F. don't either in their

letters to me. When asked about this, they responded that they knew how to

pronounce the words without the accents, etc.,



-----Original Message-----

From: lrapido [mailto:1gnzlz@...]

Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 4:35 PM

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [ranchos] Pinole



Talking about food...

I wonder how

My wife cooks 95%-99% of the food mentioned so far.
Yes, I'm spoiled, but not overweight, thanks to her.

Alberto.

--- Irma GomezLucero  wrote:

> We called them tamales dulces.  They are pretty
> good.  Has anyone ever had
> tamales de elote?  Those are wonderful too.  
> Irma
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
> [mailto:longsjourney@...] 
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 1:16 PM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Tamales
> 
> 
> Joseph, we must be the other family that eats raisin
> tamales, my mothers
> family is from Jalisco and my Zacatecas family
> thought they were crazy!
> Linda
> 
> Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >> "Mexican
> >>genealogy is like a 
> >>big bowl of tamales, you never know what you're
> >>gonna get".  You may 
> >>pull out a pork tamale, or beef, or cheese, beans,
> >>coconut, sugar and 
> >>raisins.....
> >>
> Raisin Tamales. . .I thought my mom was the only one
> that made these.
> 
> Boy could

  Pinole is great with a little milk--sort of a mush.  Love it for
breakfast.  Has anyone heard the following expression:

	El que tiene mas saliva, come mas pinole.

Sorry didn't use accents even after the flood of emails on the subject.  My
engineer and architect cousins from Mexico D.F. don't either in their
letters to me. When asked about this, they responded that they knew how to
pronounce the words without the accents, etc.,

-----Original Message-----
From: lrapido [mailto:1gnzlz@...] 
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 4:35 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Pinole

Talking about food...
I wonder how many of our members have heard of "Pinole" ? Pinole is a high
energy food made from dry roasted corn ground-up and mixed with brown sugar
(Piloncillo, o panocha) and cinnamon and sometimes either lemon or orange
peel for flavoring. The Tarahumara indians of Chihuahua use it as a staple
food. Tarahumaras are basically vegetarians, with meat accounting for about
less than

Hi Linda,
	These sound like tamales de elote.  They grind raw corn--not dry
corn.  Corn that you would eat for corn on the cob.  I don't recall what
they mix the ground corn with, but they place the mixture into the corn
husks, again green corn husks and they steam them.  Then you eat them warm
with butter.
Yummy!
Irma 

-----Original Message-----
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long [mailto:longsjourney@...] 
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 10:49 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Tamales

When I was in Mexico for the first time 2 years ago while in Guadalajara our
hostess stopped to buy corn tamales from a roadside stand that she
frequently buys from.  They were pure corn made with corn oil, no meat
fillers, no sause just pure corn tamale.  I had never seen that before but
they were very sweet just as they were.

As an American born Mexican I was surprised at all the foods I didn't
recognize both in Jalisco and Zacatecas.  I did find eating more healthy,
cooking much plainer and

>>
"Mexican
>>genealogy is like a
>>big bowl of tamales, you
never know what you're
>>gonna get".  You may
>>pull
out a pork tamale, or beef, or cheese, beans,
>>coconut, sugar and

>>raisins.....
>>
Raisin Tamales. . .I thought my mom
was the only one that made these.

Boy could I eat a dozen by myself
right now (but not all Raisin). I
guess I'd have to say that Pork with
lots of "gordo" on the meat are my
favorite. but I can't eat Tamales that
have been cooked, cooled, frozen
and warmed up [well I guess I