Nuestros Ranchos Site

So pg 316 tells us Bartolome Rodriguez Bajo is the widower of Teresa Ponce and looking to marry Tomasa de la Rosa Ulloa who is the daughter of Pedro de Ulloa y Marquez and Josefa de Sepulveda y Rojas

Pg 319 says at the very top left, Tomasa is the tercera nieta of Martin Navarro, Pedro de Ulloa, her father, is bisnieto of Martin Navarro. Teresa Ponce is also tercera nieta of Martin Navarro, Niclas Ponce, her father, is bisnieto of Martin Navarro. There is a mention of Lorenzo Ruiz de Esparza as being nieto of Martin Navarro but it does not state he is in the lines being dispensed.

Pg 319 bottom left says Teresa Ponce was the daughter of Nicolas ponce, the granddaughter of Juana de Siordia, the great granddaughter of Maria Gabai, and the great great grandaughter of Martin Navarro and Petronila de Montesuma.

Pg 319 top right states Tomasa Rosa de Ulloa is the daughter of Pedro de Ulloa Marquez, grandaughter of Maria Ruiz de Esparza, great granddaughter of Francisca Gabai, and great great grandaughter of Martin Navarro and Petronila Montesuma who were the legitimate parents of Maria Gabai and Francisca Gabai.

So the tree is:

Martin Navarro and Petronila Montesuma
Maria Gabai - Francisca Gabai
Juana Siordia - Maria Ruiz Esparza
Nicolas Ponce - Pedro de Ulloa Marquez
Teresa Ponce - Tomasa Ulloa

I hope this was able to answer your question.

Alex

Marcelina,

Mi madre desciende de los suegros de D. Antonio de Cuellar quienes son D. José Macías Valadés y Da. Catalina Orán de la Vega vía su hijo D. Sebastián. Quisiera preguntar el grupo cuál es el documento que declara el patriarca de los Cuéllar como "hijo de la iglesia?" En el casamiento de Antonio y su mujer Da. Josefa Alvarez fechado el 29 de noviembre de 1681 solamente declara lo siguiente: "Antonio de Cuéllar, vecino de esta jurisdicción con Josepha Alvarez, hija lexítima de Joseph Macías y Catalina de Vega, vecinos de esta jurisdicción. Testigos: Nicolás Macías, Salvador de Villalobos y Diego Preciado."

Siempre imaginé que el Antonio de Cuéllar fuese miembro de la familia Maldonado de Cuéllar--ilustre familia tapatía que prosperó a los principios del siglo XVII-- y quienes enlazaron con los Enríquez del Castillo, García de Paredes y Navarro Gaytán entre otros. No hay prueba pero creo que sería un buen lugar para comenzar entre los registros parroquiales de Guadalajara. Si, Antonio fuese "hijo de la iglesia" el cura lo declararía así--pero no lo hizo. Esto me sugiere que Antonio fuese originario fuera del curato de Aguascalientes. Si Antonio fuera originario de Aguascalientes porque el cura no lo describe como tal o sus padres y no solamente un "vecino."

Espero que logramos localizarlo, por favor déjame saber tu opinión al respecto.

Gracias antemano,

Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

I may be related to the Sanchez de Aldana family from
Chihuaha.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

I have records for the Sanchez de Aldana's in Chilchota Michoacan and Zapotlan El Grande and  Tamazula  Jalisco. They are not direct ancestors but married lines related by marriage to mine (Gutierrez de Raya and Vejar and Villasenor).  I have been trying to connect the Michoacan Sanchez de Aldana with the Jalisco Sanchez de Aldana.  I have been trying to find information on the Sanchez de la Mejorada line also, the records say they came from Tuxpan Jalisco in abt 1680 and lived in Atoyac, Zapotlan El Grande and Tamazula also.  It's so hard to find double surnames on the IGI, any suggestions? Linda in Everett

Joseph Puentes wrote:

Anybody in the group a Sánchez de Aldana? I saw this message and got interested in this Colonial Genealogist publication. Has anyone read a copy of it?
Well its a long shot but thought I'd throw it out there for consideration.

As always if you just happen to be a Sánchez de Aldana and one of your lines just happens to be in the below listed publication make sure to verify the information for yourself.

Don't take anything for granted.

joseph

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Subject: Re: Urrutias of Chihuahua

From: hut1020@aol.com

Date: 9 Mar 2006 05:30:01 -0700

To: MEX-CHIHUAHUA-L@rootsweb.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.    Classification: Query    Message Board URL:    http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/3ZC.2ACI/1936.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1    Message Board Post:    Your ancestor Jose Maria Urrutia, brother of the Manuel Urrutia you mentioned, was born 4 January 1816 in Chihuahua City, and was baptized 6 January 1816 as "Jose Mariano de Jesus Telesforo de los Reyes Urrutia [the IGI says "Orrutia" based on the handwriting] hijo legitimo de Jose Antonio Urrutia y de Doña Mariana Sánchez de Aldana, Españoles (LDS Film # 162665).   The Sánchez de Aldana family is an old family from Michoacán and Jalisco, whose descent
 from Leonel de Cervantes, Conquistador, is given in "The Colonial Genealogist"  Vol. III, No. 2 (New Series), October 1970, at pp. 73-79.  

Jose Carlos de Leon
hope this helps!

Name Maria Monica Cobian
Gender Female
Christening date 16 May 1762
Christening place San Antonio, Tuxcacuesco, Jalisco, Mexico
Father name Thomas Cobian
Mother name Nicolasa Michel
Batch number C02641-5
Record group Mexico-EASy
Film number 634895
Reference number v 5 p 43

Name Maria Bonifacia De Jesus Barragan Cobian
Gender Female
Christening date 03 May 1806
Christening place SAYULA,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father name Jose Barragan
Mother name Maria Monica Cobian
Batch number C60348-2
Record group Mexico-ODM
Film number unknown

Name Jose Julian Barragan Cobian
Gender Male
Christening date 09 Jan 1793
Christening place SAYULA,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father name Jose Barragan
Mother name Maria Monica Cobian
Batch number J60347-9
Record group Mexico-ODM
Film number 224938

Name Maria Josefa Florentina Barragan Cobian
Gender Female
Christening date 19 Mar 1791
Christening place SAYULA,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father name Jose Barragan
Mother name Monica Cobian
Batch number K60347-9
Record group Mexico-ODM
Film number 224938

THIS LOOKS LIKE THEM BUT IN 1793

Name Jose Julian Barragan Cobian
Gender Male
Christening date 09 Jan 1793
Christening place SAYULA,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father name Jose Barragan
Mother name Maria Monica Cobian
Batch number J60347-9
Record group Mexico-ODM
Film number 224938

Name Maria Josefa Florentina Barragan Cobian
Gender Female
Christening date 19 Mar 1791
Christening place SAYULA,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father name Jose Barragan
Mother name Monica Cobian
Batch number K60347-9
Record group Mexico-ODM
Film number 224938

PARENTS INFO
Name Maria Jervasia Cobian
Gender Female
Christening date 13 Aug 1768
Christening place San Antonio, Tuxcacuesco, Jalisco, Mexico
Father name Tomas Cobian
Mother name Nicolasa Michel
Batch number C02641-5
Record group Mexico-EASy
Film number 634895
Reference number v 6

Name Maria Joachina Cobian
Gender Female
Christening date 09 Apr 1764
Christening place San Antonio, Tuxcacuesco, Jalisco, Mexico
Father name Thomas De Aquino Cobian
Mother name Nicolasa Michel
Batch number C02641-5
Record group Mexico-EASy
Film number 634895
Reference number v 5

Groom name Josef Cobian
Bride name Maria Crisanta Samora
Marriage date 17 Dec 1783
Marriage place San Antonio, Tuxcacuesco, Jalisco, Mexico
Father of groom name Thomas Cobian
Mother of groom name Maria Nicolasa Michel
Father of bride name Juan Antonio Samora
Mother of bride name Maria Candelaria Abalos
Batch number M00875-2
Record group Mexico-EASy
Film number 611924
Reference number Film 611924

Patty I also decend from this Munguia line, my ancestor was Merced (Maria
Eulogia) Munguia, married to Longino Gutierrez, they are my gr-grandparents on
my Mothers (Dolores Gutierrez (1924-1979) paternal side.  My records go no
further than yours but I think they were in Michoacan before Jalisco but have
not been able to prove it. My records are posted on Rootsweb.com, file is called
Mexico.  You can go to the index or you can go to family tree, then to pedigree
in text form to see my lineage by putting in my Mothers name and birth date.
I hope we can be of help to each other.
Linda Castanon-Long
Marietta, Ga

________________________________
From: "pattyharo@gmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, August 2, 2010 7:59:17 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] brick wall in Tamazula Jalisco and Sayula Jalisco

Hi, I am trying to solve a couple of brickwalls in my family tree

Miguel Munguia, born in Tamazula, Jalisco in 1768 his father is Carlos Munguia
and his mother Theresa de Coria.
his wife is Eufrasia Rosalia Castañeda daugther of  Juan Peres Valdes and Maria
Gertrudis de Siordia.

That is as far as I go there

On the other branch is Jose Barragan married on april 25, 1820 in Sayula,
Jalisco with Maria Monica Cobian.

Monica´s mother is Nicolasa Michel and her father is Tomas Cobian.

I hope you can help me with this two branches, I am really stock there

Thanks for your help

Hola,

Estoy tratando de encontrar un par de piezas perdidas en mi árbol

Miguel Munguia, nacido en Tamazula, Jalisco en 1768 su padre es Carlos Munguia y
su madre Theresa de Coria.
Su esposa es Eufrasia Rosalia Castañeda hija de  Juan Peres Valdes y Maria
Gertrudis de Siordia.

Por otro lado
Jose Barragan casado el 25 de 1820 en Sayula, Jalisco con Maria Monica Cobian
la mamá de Monica es Nicolasa Michel y su padre es Tomas Cobian.

Espero me puedan ayudar estoy atoradisima con estos dos y el sabado tengo una
reunion de esa familia y les quiero enseñar el árbol lo mas completo posible

Se que con su ayuda lo puedo lograr, Muchas Gracias

Patty Haro

María:

Si vas a Google Shopping y buscas esa versión de la Biblia, encontrarás varias tiendas que la venden por internet, pero todas las sucursales de la tienda Barnes and Noble venden biblias (te recomiendo la versión Reina-Valera 1960). Espero que esta información te ayude.

Stephanie,

i dont have anymore than you have but this marriage for Crescenio Martinez shows Felicitas Coronado useing the name Maria Felix Coronado and has her parents as francisco coronado and Emilia Sanchez and his parents as Jose Maria Martinez and Silvina Aguiñaga, which is a little differnt than your info

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-95PP-WRS

this marriage for francisco coronado and emilia Sanches has Romoaldo coronado and Clara hinojosa as parents for Francisco coronado and Anastasio Sanchez and Maria Luz Jaramillo as parents for emilia sanchez.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-952J-S6XC

i dont know anything else

Danny C. Alonso

No esta en linea la informacion. Busca biblioteca bpjy esta un catalogo en linea. Pero la informacion tienes que ir a buscarla.

Hi George,

I can tell you that there was a push to index the Sinaloa Civil Registration records around the summer of 2016. I know because I indexed some records for Mazatlan from the 1860s or so. I hope that's indicative of FamilySearch/Ancestry working to bring them up for genealogical use soon.

Daniel Serna Valencia

Bertha,

A lot of the records that say Del Sagrario,​ Antes de la Asuncion,
Aguascalientes also say Cieneguilla,​ Aguascalientes,​ Mexico and they also
show a source film number of 299530. In the familysearch site under
Aguascalientes there is a page of films for Sagrario (Incluye Hacienda de
Cieneguilla). I went into one of those films and did a search of one of the
names found in it and confirmed the record shows up as being in 299530. I
brought this up since it can be a way to identify the Aguascalientes
volumes since they don't have the film number on the first page. The record
for Juan Joseph de Esparza is at
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11662-70238-21?cc=1410092&…

Saludos
Armando

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 1:40 AM, wrote:

> Hola Primos
> I am asking for you expertise on the following; I have been looking all
> over for information regarding Martin de Esparza and Juan De Esparza
> (father and son). Juan de Esparza got married in Aguascalientes in 1752
> with Ana Gertrudis Alonso De Los Hinojos (daughter of Manuel Alonso De Los
> Hinojos and Ma. Efigenia Ramirez). Juan de Esparza's parents were; Martin
> De Esparza and Manuela Preciado according to Juan's marriage record.
> Martin and Manuela had another son named Manuel Martin who was born in
> 1706 and died in 1790, there is a Juan Joseph Martin De Esparza in the
> Family search record, but it says "En El Sagrario Antes De La Asuncion" and
> I can't figure out how to get that record (What does Antes de la Asuncion
> means?). Now, if Juan De Esparza was married in 1752, I figure that he
> must have been born around 1724-1730. His marriage record establishes that
> he was from Calvillo and his son Joseph Santiago De Esparza married to
> Maria Munoz De La Barba in Jalostotitlan,
> Jalisco on 1791 was from the Villa De Aguascalientes. There are around
> four different Juanes in that same time period but only two from the
> Aguascalientes area the other two are from Cienega de Mata Ojuelos and
> Guanajuato and their mother was a Maria Concepcion not a Manuela. Which
> creates another problem since in 1731 a Jacinto Martin Esparza married to a
> Manuela de Luarca or Alorca (their son Manuel Martin died in 7 August
> 1748), There is a "De Esparza married to a Manuela De La Cruz which had a
> son named Po Juan De Esparza Cruz on 10 May 1725, and another Xacinto
> Martin De Esparza married to a Manuela de Los Reies on 18 August 1709. Now
> if Manuel Martin, Martin De Esparza and Manuela Preciado's son was born in
> 1706 according to his death record, that puts his parents birth around the
> 1675-1685's and the only Martins on that time period are Martin Ruiz De
> Esparza y Sotelo de Xaen and/or Xacinto Martin De Esparza (Matiana De
> Esparza with Alonso Martin), or were ther
> e any other Martin around that same time period? I will appreciate it
> very much if any of you could give me any information or any guide as to
> what should I do to resolve these missing links in order to complete my
> connection to the patriarch Lope Ruiz De Esparza. In advance I thank you.
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Hi Bertha,

Congrats on getting this far on your Ruíz de Esparza line. I descend from Manuel Alonso de los Hinojos and María Efigenia Ramírez aka Martínez de Alarcón or Martín-Alarcón. Would you happen to have the parents of María Inés Muñoz de la Barba, who married Joseph Santiago Ruíz de Esparza? I take it you descend from the Yahualica line of the Ruíz de Esparza. Santiago and Inés lived in various locations, Jalostotitlán, Aguascalientes, Yahualica, etc.

As far as Martín Ruíz de Esparza and Manuela Preciado, I have nothing beyond this point. We need to locate a document, perhaps a final will and testament, or a death record for this Martín. “Antes de la Asunción” basically means originally the parish was formally known as “Parroquia de Nuestra Señora de la Asunción de María de Aguascalientes” not sure why the extractors did this, it can cause confusion if someone is not informed on history.

Right now, I am wondering if Manuela perhaps is a relative of the Preciado de Elizalde a family that compounded their names in the late XVII century in Aguascalientes; Diego Preciado and Beatríz López de Elizalde, a good number of parish officers descend from this line.

As for, Martín Ruíz de Esparza y Sotelo de Xaén was son of Martín Ruíz de Esparza and Francisca de Xaén who was baptized 2 Jul 1675 in Aguascalientes. He later married Gertrudis Martínez Calvillo daughter of Nicolás Martínez Calvillo and Josefa de Velasco on 15 Feb 1699.

As for the last one, Jacinto Martín Esparza really Jacinto Martín Mateos or any of the following combinations Martín y Mateos, Martín Ruíz de Esparza or Martín de Esparza was a compound named that was formed when Alonso Martín Mateos son of Diego Martín Mateos and Teresa de las Ruelas and Matiana Ruiz de Esparza daughter of Pedro Ruíz de Esparza and Juana Lozano married on 29 Dec 1666 in Aguascalientes. This Jacinto belongs to the Martín Mateos clan not the Ruíz de Esparza, even though they are related through this marriage. Another researcher that is very well informed on Aguascalientes would be Bill Figueroa. Don't give up your only 2-3 generations before connecting to Lope Ruiz de Esparza.

I hope this helps a bit, some history too.

Daniel Méndez-Camino

Enrique,

Abajo esta el link de la acta de matrimonio entre Nicolas Flores de Estrada y Maria de Solis, dentro del acta aparecen los padres de ambos. La acta se encuentra dentro el primer libro de bautismos de la parroquia de Ocotlan, por esa causa es posible que no la hayas encontrado.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18684-23164-9?cc=1874591&wc=12508050

Suerte en tu busqueda, tu amigo
Sergio Gutierrez

buenas tardes a todo los presentes

han tenido alguna novedad sobre la ascendencia de maria de isla Moctezuma
o relación con el emperador Moctezuma ll ?

realmente en los testamento de ellos
en el testamento de maria de yslas Sotomayor en el cual se mencionan a sus padres y son andres martin de Sotomayor y doña maria de yslas y Moctezuma difunto y viuda de capitán augustin lopez de la serda este testamento es de la fecha 12-03 -1716

y en el otro testamento con fecha del 06-11-1721 también se hace la misma mención

hay otro testamento de un hijo de ellos andres martin Camacho hijo lejitimo de andres martin Camacho y de maria de las ruelas el casado con Beatriz de Mayorga.

y en el matrimonio el 3 junio de 1667 en Aguascalientes img 24 de augustin lopez de la cerda y maria de isla hija de andres martin y maria de isla pero en este no se menciona Moctezuma

hay una dispensa de grado de consanguinidad esta en Guadalajara diócesis gdl 1694-1796 en img 537 a 544 de santigo lopez de la serda y maria ana negrete viudad de Josep moreno sotomaior en este documento se mencionan a maria de isla moctessuma e isidro martin como hermanos

espero y muy pronto podamos encontrar el origen de maria de isla Moctezuma y su relación con los ruelas

agradezco la atención prestada
que tengan un excelente dia
saludos

Daniel,
Algo que considero bien importante considerar son los siguientes datos respecto al origen de Maria de Isla y Sotomayor como lo indica en su testamento:
1) Orginaria de la jurisdiccion del Real de Minas de Santa Maria de Pinos .
2) Luego fue vecina de Santa Maria de los Lagos, donde residia su esposo el Capitan Agustin Lopez de la Serda (originario de Teocaltiche).
3) Finalmente residente de la Villa de la Asuncion de Aguascalientes cuando escribe su testamento.

De igual forma en el testamento de Simona Lopez (de la Serda Rodriguez), indica que es originaria de San Luis Potosi, y casada con Nicolas Martin de Sotomayor originario de Pinos.

De forma que ademas de Nochistlan, quiza deberiamos tambien buscar el origen de Maria de Isla y Moctezuma en Pinos, Zacatecas.

Saludos

Jaime Alvarado

Estimado Don Guillermo y Daniel,
Recientemente hubo un intercambio respecto a Maria de Isla y Moctezuma, se concluyo que la asociacion de el apellido 'Moctezuma' con Maria de Isla habia sido el invento de algun genealogista. Curiosamente, al estar transcribiendo el testamento de Maria de Isla y Sotomayor, esposa del Capitan Agustin Lopez de la Cerda, fechado el 12-03-76 (#98 en la lista de Paco Romo) encontre lo siguiente: "...hija del Capitan Andres Martin y Sotomayor y de Maria de Isla y Moctezuma...".

Saludos

Jaime Alvarado

Eso de Maria de Isla y Moctezuma es un invento de algún genealogista ecuménico. Existen varias María de Isla en Nochistlán, vinculadas con Guido de Lavezares y Benito de Isla, pero me gustaría ver un solo documento antiguo que mencione ese nombre asociado al apellido Moctezuma.

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de mendezdelcamino@live.com
Enviado el: Viernes, 18 de Febrero de 2011 11:58 a.m.
Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] María de Isla y Moctezuma

Estimado Señores:

Ya por bastante tiempo he tenido interés en esta dama, María de Isla y Moctezuma casada con Andrés Martín Camacho; de aquí proviene las familias Martínez de Sotomayor o Martín de Sotomayor y pues por supuesto los Martín Camacho del Real y Minas de Sierra de Pinos. Quisiera saber si alguien ha probado la línea de María de Isla y Moctezuma, no he podido encontrar nada sobre ésta.

De esta pareja desciendo de su hijo del capitán Isidro Martín de Sotomayor casó a Josefa López de la Cerda hacia 1675 en Aguascalientes o Pinos.

Me pregunto dos cosas: ¿cómo si hay relación con la familias González de Isla o Isla de Nochistlán y porqué utiliza el apellido Moctezuma hay una conexción entre ésta y el emperador azteca?

Les envío mis saludos y gracias antemano,

Daniel Méndez Camino

The Family History Library has microfilmed civil records from 1879 on, and not before. In the birth records there is a gap of 9 years, until 1888, for the rest of the records. The marriage records show the same gap. Either the records do not exist, or were not filmed.

Civil records may exist in a nearby community, or earlier records may not exist.

The extracted baptismal records show only one child for this couple, however, only two microfilms have been extracted, thus there may be others. The listing of microfilms suggests there may be gaps in the extant records.

It is not uncommon for children to be the church records, and not the civil records. They may be in the civil records, but not the church records. Sometimes they are absent from both, but you can find marriage records, so you know the children exist.

Ancestry.com has extracted civil records for many communities in Mexico. If you do have a subscription you can use ancestry.com at many public libraries and also at the LDS Family History Centers for free.

George Fulton

Edgar Olguin Diaz
buenas noches
no se si estamos hablando del mismo jose felix magana?
en este link esta el bautismo de jose felix magana chavez de 1872 en jolotlan Jalisco hijo de Luciano magana y refugio chavez abuelos paternos pablo magana y maria magana y abuelos maternos jose maria chavez y francisca magana.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18687-93257-79?cc=1874591&wc…

México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979
Jilotlán de los Dolores
San Miguel
Bautismos 1863-1880
Imagen 333 de 647

espero y sea el que estas buscando amigo(a)

estuve checando el civil y no los encontrer

saludos

It appears that Joseph Eusebio de Orozco's parents, Juan Antonio de Orozco/Gutiérrez and Juana Efigenia Franco, married in Tepatitlán ca. 1720, but I have not been able to locate their marriage document.

Based on the marriage dispensation details, Joseph Eusebio Gutiérrez de Orozco & Anna Beatriz Gutiérrez were not first cousins (parentesco de consanguinidad en segundo grado igual) but rather half-aunt/half-nephew (parentesco de consanguinidad en primero con segundo grado). This is based on the evidence "la duda que hay es que dicen que Juan Antonio de Orozco mi padre es hermano de Ana Beatriz Gutiérrez mi pretensa".

Acta matrimonial de Joseph Eusebio Gutiérrez de Orozco & Anna Beatriz Gutiérrez - 12 Junio 1752, Tepatitlán

Fueron dispensados de un parentesco de consanguinidad en segundo grado igual.

"En esta Santa Yglesia Parrochial de tecpatitlán en dose días del mes de Junio de mill Setecientos Sinquenta y dos años, casé y Velé infacie Eclecie Según orden de Nuestra Santa Madre Yglecia a Joseph husebio de orosco, español originario y vecino desta feligresía en el puesto del carniSero, hijo Lexítimo de Juan Antonio de orosco y de Juana Efigenia franco; con Beatris Gutiérres, española originaria y Vecina desta dicha feligresía en dicho puesto hija Lexítima de Joseph Gutiérres y de Petra de Ornelas; fueron dispenzados por el Mui Illustrísimo Señor Venerable Dean y Cabildo en Segundo grado de conSanguinidad a quienes Amonesté en tres días festibos inter Misarum Solemnia Según lo dispuesto por el Santo Concilio de trento de cuias diligencias no resultó ympedimento alguno como ni al tiempo de la Selebración de dicho Matrimonio al que se allaron precentes Mathías Básques, Javier Serbín, y Sebastián de Lomelín, y por que conste lo firmé. . . . Br. Anttonio Caro (rúbrica)."

Acta matrimonial de Joseph Eusebio Gutiérrez de Orozco & Beatriz Gutiérrez - 12 Junio 1752, Tepatitlán

Fuente: Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records, 1590-1979, Tepatitlán de Morelos, San Francisco de Asís, Matrimonios 1736-1771 [Image 159 of 495] - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18570-63719-21?cc=1874591&wc…

Dispensa matrimonial de Joseph Eusebio Gutiérrez de Orozco & Beatriz Gutiérrez - 19 Mayo 1752, Tepatitlán

Fuente: "México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-66SS-7M?cc=1874591&wc=3J49… : 28 June 2014), Guadalajara > Diócesis de Guadalajara > image 18 of 632; parroquias Católicas, Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco).

Firma de Joseph Eusebio de Orozco - 19 Mayo 1752, Tepatitlán

Fuente: "México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-66SS-R8?cc=1874591&wc=3J49… : 28 June 2014), Guadalajara > Diócesis de Guadalajara > image 19 of 632; parroquias Católicas, Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco).
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If that is indeed the case, then the father of Anna Beatriz Gutierrez, Joseph Gutiérrez de Hermosillo (h.l. de Sebastián Gutiérrez de Hermosillo & María Galindo y Becerra) who married Petronila de Ornelas y Valdivia, had children before his marriage in 1702. I have identified at least two sons based on marriage dispensations. It appears that the mother of these premarital illegitimate children was a woman surnamed Orozco, but not necessarily Tello de Orozco. She could be an Orozco Agüero, or even de Loza/Orozco.

Firma de Joseph Gutiérrez de Hermosillo - 15 Enero 1702, Tepatitlán

Fuente: "México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6TSJ-C9?cc=1874591&wc=3J44… : 28 June 2014), Guadalajara > Diócesis de Guadalajara > image 437 of 615; parroquias Católicas, Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco).

As I had mentioned, Joseph Gutiérrez de Hermosillo had at least two premarital illegitimate sons, named Juan Antonio and Andrés Gutiérrez (o Orozco) - "que D.n Joseph Gutiérres obtuvo por hijos en su Matrim.o a D.n Juan Antt.o y a D.n Andrés Gutiérrez, que es el Primero" - before he married Petronila de Ornelas in 1702.

Dispensa matrimonial de Joseph Gutiérrez de Hermosillo & Petronila de Ornelas - 15 Enero 1702, Tepatitlán

Fueron dispensados de un parentesco de consanguinidad en cuarto grado igual.

Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records, 1590-1979, Guadalajara, Diócesis de Guadalajara, Matrimonios 1699-1707 [Image 436-440 of 615] - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18416-70311-1?cc=1874591&wc=…

Tronco: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6TSV-WD?cc=1874591&wc=3J44…

I connected these premarital sons of Joseph Gutiérrez de Hermosillo, via the marriage dispensation of Juan Joseph Becerra & Anna Rafaela Gutiérrez, in 1790

Dispensa matrimonial de Juan Joseph Becerra & Anna Rafaela Gutiérrez - 22 Enero 1790, Tepatitlán

Fueron dispensados de un parentesco de consanguinidad en tercero con cuarto grado.

Fuente: Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records, 1590-1979, Guadalajara, Diócesis de Guadalajara, Matrimonios 1790 [Image 793 of 1352] - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-1897-12?cc=1874591&wc=…

I tried locating the marriage record of Andrés Gutiérrez and Josepha de Aguirre, so see if it mentioned their parents, but to no avail.

In regards to Juana Efigenia Franco, wife of Juan Antonio de Orozco/Gutiérrez...since no marriage record has yet been found, I discovered the name of Juana Efigenia Franco's mother to be Anna Carranza (h.l. de Andrés Sánchez Carranza & Antonia Venegas), who married an unknown N. Franco, in Tepatitlan. Because she also has Venegas in her ancestry, in 1759 Sebastián Ramírez Becerra & Manuela Venegas needed a marriage dispensation (de Afinidad). Sebastián's first wife was Anna Gertrudis Gutiérrez, daughter of Juan Antonio Gutierrez/Orozco and Juana Efigenia Franco.

Dispensa matrimonial de Sebastián Ramírez Becerra & Manuela Venegas - 23 Enero 1759, Tepatitlán

Fueron dispensados de un parentesco en tercero con cuarto grado de afinidad.

Fuente: Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records, 1590-1979, Guadalajara, Diócesis de Guadalajara, Matrimonios 1757-1759 [Image 58 of 629] - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18403-77881-31?cc=1874591&wc…

Tronco: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-66ST-J3?cc=1874591&wc=3J49…

Acta matrimonial de Sebastián Ramírez Becerra & Anna Gertrudis Gutiérrez - 25 Mayo 1741, Tepatitlán

Fuente: "México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KMSD-DP?cc=1874591&wc=3J8D… : 28 June 2014), Tepatitlán de Morelos > San Francisco de Asís > image 45 of 495; parroquias Católicas, Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco).

Espero que esto te ayude primo.

Atentamente,
Steven Francisco Hernández López

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The usual genealogical sources are probably not helpful as information on living people is usually not available due to privacy concerns.

There is a TV reality series called Long Lost Family that presents case histories in their weekly program. This may give you some insight.

These sources are for US cases, Mexico is likely different.

Best of luck.

Hello,
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Good luck,
Pauline (Maven200)

Hola Lucio:

Es difícil investigar el paradero de la persona que buscas. En primer lugar el nombre correcto podría ser Gilberto, la palabra "carrilio" no la entiendo. Falta el segundo apellido, la edad de la persona...

Hay un Gilberto Nolasco en Linkedin que es un gerente en el estado de México, intenta conseguir más información.

Saludos

Marcelina

I am still in the process of trying to locate marriages for the children and locating older records. San Luis Potosi records for the most part have not been indexed.

Catalina Rodriguez abt 1645 cc: Francisco Lopes
-Joseph Lopes abt 1663 cc Ynes Solano Velasco M: 23 NOV 1682 Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Jal.

-Nicolas Lopez abt 1661 cc Simona Martines1663 M: 05 OCT 1678 Venado,San Luis Potosi,Mexico

Catalina Rodriguez abt 1645 cc: Diego de la Puente
Children are as follows:
Maria De La Puente cc Juan De Elizondo Muñoz
1670–Deceased • LZDH-QJN
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9GLK-WCC

Antonio De La Puente cc Maria De La Cruz M: abt 1698
1675–Deceased • 9SQF-5GD
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9GLK-W8P

Olalla Puente Rodrigues
1678–Deceased • 9SQL-5SC

Joseph Francisco De La Puente cc: Antonia Gallegos (ovalle) M: 28 SEP 1707 Venado,San Luis Potosi,Mexico
1683–Deceased • MTY6-QXF
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9GLK-W3Q

Ysabel Puente Rodriguez cc. Mathias De Picaso
1683–Deceased • 9SQK-GHT

Juana Fuente Lopes
1684–Deceased • 9SQN-JWF

Diego De La Puente cc: Juana Orpinel Filgueira M: 15 NOV 1716 Pinos,Zacatecas,Mexico
1685–Deceased • MGMT-C2D
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5FZ-D7K

Anttonia Puente Rodriguez
1687–Deceased • 9QZP-TDV
Josepha Puente Rodrigues
1689–Deceased • 9SCQ-H72
Anna de la Puente
1691–Deceased • 9SQH-WWY
Juana Puente Rodrigues
1693–Deceased • 9SQJ-7W3
Nicolas Puente Rodrigues
1693–Deceased • 9SQ2-3TQ

Pedro Puente Rodrigues cc Ysavel Antonia M: 19 MAY 1733 Venado,San Luis Potosi,Mexico

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GGLK-7VJ

Hola Maria, creo que es el mismo porque Catalina aveces aparece como López y otras como Rodriguez porque en su primer matrimonio se caso con Francisco Lopez.
Del matrimonio con Diego de la puente le tengo 9 hijos desde 1683 hasta 1696 nacido en Venado. Por desgracia no tengo padres ni de Diego ni de Catalina.

Saludos!
Veronica Rodriguez

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