Nuestros Ranchos Site

I have heard of the Rancho Los Reales, but I don't know where it is 
exactly.  I don't know if I have family from there.  There is a lot 
of Miramontes and Magallanes in the area of Zacatecas near Jalisco.  
The information I have on my Miramontes family starts about 1860 and 
earlier.  So I won't have information for you unless you have an 
individual born before 1860.  Does you father-in-law know the names 
of his grandparents?  Well I don't know how old your father-in-law 
is, but more than likely that would be information that I can find in 
my family if we were related.

I don't have Magallanes in my family, but I have done some 
researching on that name as well, for something else.  Anyway, if you 
find out the names of Victoria's parents, let me know and I could 
look those up as well in my records.

Angie

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Tammy Miramontes  wrote:
> 
> Angie, 
> IN reading the list of names that you have searched for, I saw the 
name MIRAMONTES.

Yes time will tell who his parents were.



I'm putting the pages to that book by Dr. Platt in the files section.



Also about the Census record I got it off the Colotlan/SantaMaria de Los
Angeles area Census. I put the number of the film at the top of each page.
Here is all that comes up on that film when entered into the Film/Fiche search
window:

Title

Padrones, 1639-1875

Authors

Iglesia Católica. Diócesis de Guadalajara (México) (Main Author)

Notes

Microfilme de manuscritos en el Archivo de la Sagarda Mitra en Guadalajara.

Census records from parishes within the Diocese of Guadalajara, Jalisco,
Mexico.

Subjects

Mexico, Jalisco - Census

Mexico, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Census

Format

Manuscript (On Film)

Language

Spanish

Publication

Salt Lake City : Filmados por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah, 1957-1958

Physical

48 carretes de microfilme ; 35 mm.

Film Notes

Note - Location [Film]

Padrones no hay fechas -  FHL INTL Film [ 168803 ]

I looked over your Romero file, but I really can't tell either way if 
the couple is the same or not.  Guess we won't really know until you 
find out the names of your Manuel Romero's parents.

Where did you find the Suaz de los Marques census?  Did you order 
it?  I would like to try and get more information on the couple that 
were related to me.  So any details about the document you have would 
be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Angie

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> great thanks for the files and you had me on the edge of my chair a 
> couple of time with your Juan Manuel Romero marrying Ana Maria 
Casas. I 
> have a Manuel Romero marrying a Mariana de Casas but the time frame 
> looks to be later than your couple. My Manuel grandparent had at 
least 
> two children: Tomas and Simon Romero. there is a chance we're 
related. 
> I'm putting my Romero file back into the files section right away 
so you 
> can see who I'm talking about.

fabulous. Great Idea. Is there anyway of setting it up so that the Towns
can be separated. but in the same format you created. great idea. If
someone has the time here are the Batches for Santa Maria de Los
Angeles/Colotlan and Huejucar and Tepechitlan and Tepetongo.

Santa Maria de Los Angeles, Jalisco. Bautismo Batch Numbers: 1785-1875

Batch Number            Year Range            Film Number

C611041                    1785-1825            1158273
C611042                    1825-1845            1158274
C611043                    1845-1863            1158275
C611044                    1863-1875            1158276

C611045                    1856-1865            1158280  Hijo's Naturales

=========================

Tepechitlan, Zacatecas. Bautismo y Matrimonio Batch Numbers: 1736-1885
missing batches
Bautismos:

Batch Number                Year Range                Film Number
C600811                        1736-1782                0444025

K600812

In one of Joseph's notes he talked about creating a list of IGI 
batches for the ranchos you are researching.  With this purpose in 
mind, I created a database for this group.  Just click on the 
Database link to the left to find it. I added two records to it as a 
sample you can follow.  I hope you find this useful.

Maria Cortez

Angie,

IN reading the list of names that you have searched for, I saw the name MIRAMONTES.  That is my last name now.  My father-in-law was from Zacatecas.  His parents names were Aurelino & Victoria (magallanes) Miramontes.  I believe the ranch they are from is named Los Reales. 

Just wondering if there is any connection here.

Tammy

 aajay1073 wrote:

Hello, I am new this group.  Thanks for letting me join.  I noticed
that everyone was giving intros, so I thought I would add mine to the
list....  I recognize some of the different people in this group
through other message boards or email... So this may be a repeat for
some of you...

My name is Angie Godina.  I have been working on my family tree since
1998. But I didn't start using the LDS website and films until 2001
so that is when I really started working on researching my
genealogy/ancestors.  I have been able to find most of my paternal
and maternal lines up to the early 1700's.  They have generally
stayed in the

great thanks for the files and you had me on the edge of my chair a
couple of time with your Juan Manuel Romero marrying Ana Maria Casas. I
have a Manuel Romero marrying a Mariana de Casas but the time frame
looks to be later than your couple. My Manuel grandparent had at least
two children: Tomas and Simon Romero. there is a chance we're related.
I'm putting my Romero file back into the files section right away so you
can see who I'm talking about.

aajay1073 wrote:

I saw my Marques Family in the Census of Sauz de los Marquez that is
posted in the files section. It is on page one, first column, about
half way down. Dn. Felix Marquez (70), Da. Alvina Romero (65), and
Torivio Marquez (34). It's really exicting to see it. Thanks for
posting that resource. But now I have a question for Joseph
Puentes. Is this the actual census or just the census index pages?

I think this is the full census but I'm so new to this newly found
record and to genealogy in general that I

Well I guess it is our turn for a formal introduction. Rich and I 
live in Rocklin, California which is about 35 miles NE of 
Sacramento.   Rich retired in 1999 after 35 years with HBFuller and I 
retired in 2001 after 10 years with Herman Miller.  We now spend our 
spare time stomping through cemeteries.  In the last 3 years, we have 
found my ancestors from my mother's side, in Loudoun, VA, Somerset, 
PA, Kalamazoo, MI, Beatrice, NE and Wickenburg, AZ.  One of these 
days we will get down to Jalisco, and Zacatecas, Mex.

Rich and I started on his genealogy in the mid 70's.  Fortunately we 
were able to start while his parents were still alive.  The 
information received then gave us a good basis to start with.   At 
that time everything was done by hand so listing all those siblings 
of his parents took awhile.  Both his parents had at least 12 
brothers and sisters.  Currently he still has two aunts, one from 
each of his parents still living within 100 miles of where we live

Hello, I am new this group.  Thanks for letting me join.  I noticed 
that everyone was giving intros, so I thought I would add mine to the 
list....  I recognize some of the different people in this group 
through other message boards or email... So this may be a repeat for 
some of you...

My name is Angie Godina.  I have been working on my family tree since 
1998. But I didn't start using the LDS website and films until 2001 
so that is when I really started working on researching my 
genealogy/ancestors.  I have been able to find most of my paternal 
and maternal lines up to the early 1700's.  They have generally 
stayed in the same areas these last 300 years.  I am mainly 
researching my eight grandparents surnames/families they include:

Cardenas, Carreon (or Carrion), Gaeta, Godina, Huerta, Huizar (or 
Guizar), Luna, Miramontes, Perez, Raigosa (or Raygoza)

I am at some dead ends so I started researching their extended 
ancestors which include:

Andarsa, Avila, Ayala, Campos

just a quick note before I run off to work.

a cousin of mine who used to work for the FBI was concerned about
Identity theft. Now I've gone ahead and removed all my PDF files from
the group and I'll repost them with with new ones that go from my
deceased grandparents back just so as we get more people in the group
I can say honestly to concerned relatives that i am not revealing any
"mothers maiden names" for any living relatives.

Something to think about and you all might consider this with regards
to info you've already posted and will in the future. 

joseph

signature mode: on

"Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get ya."

signature mode: off

Okay the first step is to have the Address to the Family Search website:



http://www.familysearch.org



once there we're going to have a look around and see there is a gold mine
of Genealogical information on the site. But today we're going to get specific
in what we're trying to do and that is find info on Jamay, Jalisco and where
"my local Family History Center is."



First of all I don't know where you live so I'll just show you how to use
the site so you can find the closest one.



After you bring: http://www.familysearch.org  up go to the right side of
the page and click on "Library."  Then click on "Family History Centers."
and fill in the info and hopefully there will be one close to you. Most larger
communities have them as there are several many hundreds or even thousands
around the states.



okay now back to how to find the Jamay info. Okay you can get back to the
home page and then click on "Library" again then click on "Family History
Library Catalog."  From there on this

go to this link and find the state maps section and you'll pull up some
very nice maps showing the boundaries between the Estados.

http://www.maps-of-mexico.com/

joseph

George Gause sent this URL he is the Head Librarian Researcher from the
Pan American Library in Texas (Arthuro Romero might live close by. I'm
unsure if its in El Paso or another part of Texas. If you ever go there
Arthuro I need to ask a favor of you. I need a couple of pages out of
their extensive library of Mexico Phone books. . .let me know)

kitty_cortez wrote:

Yesterday, my sister (who lives in Ogden, UT) just took an inventory,
of all the films for Jalisco, Huejucar, Colotlan, and Zacatecas,
Momax areas. I have since highlighted them in green and sent them to
the file database as a word.doc. These films are permanently shelved
in SLC.

Oops I spoke to quickly and saw the file. I opened it and am a little
unsure of what the green means again. Doe it mean that only the Green
ones are on permanent file in downtown SLC and that the others are
available with a few days (or was it hours) notice from another place in
Salt Lake?

did I get the right understanding or ???

thanks,

Joseph

http://www.smgf.org



wow the more I look at this the more I'm intrigued. . .we could eventually
submit our DNA and possibly confirm beyond the shadow of a doubt some of
the things we're finding:



from the FAQ's section:

"How is this research going to benefit me in my genealogical
research?

Once enough data will be collected, analyzed and correlated,
findings from this research will be made available for genealogical research.
Individuals interested in learning more about their family history will need
to submit an inquiry and a DNA sample in the mail, regardless of their previous
participation in the study (the DNA sample submitted for the database will
NOT be used to answer personal questions). This new sample will be compared
with the data from the database in an attempt to answer the question posed.
Information about how, where and when these services will become available
will be posted on this website. Research

Wow (2) I'm totally amazed at how much we are coming together as a
group. I feel like the info we're contributing is important and not the
kind of stuff you find on other groups. thanks everyone for staying
focused. At the same time there's nothing that says you can't
occasionally post an account or a picture or two of a family activity.
Afterall we all might be related*** and genealogy is about us as a family.

***http://www.smgf.org/index.jsp (I might be giving them a sample of my
DNA because this research group is coming to Chapel Hill, NC in a couple
of weeks)

kitty_cortez wrote:

Joseph,
You asked about Mrs. Shirmacher, I just came across her name in some
of my notes. She has helped us transcribed some of our documents.
We have met her a couple of times and my sister has used her services
a number of times. We will probably see her this coming Easter week,
since Rich and I plan on visiting FHL SLC the 28th, 29th and 30th of
April. We will be in So. Utah the

Wow Patricia what a great message. I don't know what is the problem with
us new researchers we can't see the forest with all these trees around.
Why I've been ignoring the 1930 census escapes me. For some reason I've
just completely overlooked this resource---maybe because I got hung up
on 1930 not being all that old. But for my Current main goal of finding
the Side Branches*** to my family the 1930 Census is exactly what I
need. And your listing of all the good info included in it makes my
mouth water. . .thanks, I'm ordering it next chance I get.

thanks,

Joseph

***I've kind of been on a leave of abscence for the last 3 months in
looking backward for the parents of my oldest ancestors. I've come to
the conclusion that all these relatives that I'm searching for in the
1700's have no current memories in the minds of the people that are
alive right now, but there are plenty of relatives that I don't know
about that ARE alive now that have a wealth of information that I

Dear Tammy,
     I know what you mean by no cooperation from the mother-in-law.  
I had that problem myself but just worked around her.  My father-law 
gave me the best information that he could and I used it when I 
looked at the official records. 
     As for my husband, he has no patience to do the actual work but 
he will pay for any field trips that we take.  Last year, amoung 
other places, we drove up to Yahualica, Jalisco.  It was a most 
beautiful place.  I took some pictures and it was this trip that 
convinced us to get a video camera for future trips. 
     As for the Godinez name, I understand that it is not common.  I 
go back very far with my records and even have some of the family 
baptisms in Jamay.  However that is a few hundred years back.
For now, I think the best thing for you and most beginning 
researchers is to get what they can from other family members and 
papers kept at home and then try to get the 1930 Census for their 
area.
    The 1930 Census will help

Joseph, 
You asked about Mrs. Shirmacher, I just came across her name in some 
of my notes.  She has helped us transcribed some of our documents.  
We have met her a couple of times and my sister has used her services 
a number of times.  We will probably see her this coming Easter week, 
since Rich and I plan on visiting FHL SLC the 28th, 29th and 30th of 
April.  We will be in So. Utah the previous Easter week with 
grandchildren hunting for dinosaur tracks.  
 
When we go to FHL in SLC, I feel right at home since most of the 
workers there smile at me as if they know me.  Actually they think I 
am my twin sister who goes there about 2-3 times a month.
Yesterday, my sister (who lives in Ogden, UT) just took an inventory, 
of all the films for Jalisco, Huejucar, Colotlan, and Zacatecas, 
Momax areas.  I have since highlighted them in green and sent them to 
the file database as a word.doc.  These films are permanently shelved 
in SLC.  This word.doc includes only those three cities

HI.  What I meant by not getting any cooperation is from my husband's mother, aunts, cousins, etc.  Although it was my idea to start the research for our chilren, my husband is now interested as well.  I do know that my mother-in-law was born in Jamay in 1939.  I believe she came to the US when she was around 12-14 years of age.  Her father, Catarino was born in 1905 and died in 1953 and I don't know if he ever came to the US.  Her mother's name was Margarita Lopez, born in 1904 and died in 1992 in the US.  I'm not sure when she came to the US.  I just found out yesterday the names of her grandparents.  They were Florentino & Marciala (ortega) Godinez and Felix & Tiburcia (gonzalez) Lopez. 

Can you please tell me how I can find out where to find my local family history center and how to use the list that you have informed me of.  As you can tell, my search has just started so I know I have alot to learn yet. 

Thanks for your help.

Tammy

 Joseph Puentes wrote:

Hi Tammy,

I'm

Hi Tammy,



I'm glad you're asking your questions. I'm not sure how much help I can be
but I'll try. When you say that you're not getting any cooperation what do
you mean? Is your husband supportive? If so maybe you can send him on a fact
finding mission. It could be that he can get you the info you need to get
stared. If he could just find out your mom's grandparents names and areas
they came from that would be a tremendous help. Do you know if Victoria was
born in Jamay Jalisco and when?  Did her parents or grandparents come to
the US with her?



If you can confirm that she was born in Jamay and it was before 1958 then
you might have a chance of finding her on one of these films that you can
get at your local Family History Center. Later if you need help learning
how to come up with such a list as follows we can go over that:

Title

Registros parroquiales, 1746-1958

Authors

Iglesia Católica. Nuestra Señora del Rosario (Jamay, Jalisco) (Main Author)

Notes

Microfilme de manuscritos en el

thanks all for the great response to my encouragement to introduce
yourselves. I have a suggestion. Just like Maria did below why don't we
all post again and do it only in this format

My name is: Joseph Puentes

I'm doing research on these Surnames: Joseph Puentes de Diaz, Aguallo,
Ledesma, Casas, Alvarez,
Varela, Gonsalez, Sanchez, Leaños, Marquez, Torres, Santa Maria, Lugo,
Espinosa, Romero, Banuelos,

Miranda, Muro, Nava, Castañeda y Rivas. (thanks Maria for the ñ)

I'm researching these areas--- Jalisco: Colotlan, Santa Maria de Los
Angeles, Rancho de Animas, Salto de Los Romeros, Sauz de Los Marquez,
Ojo de Agua, Sotoles, Huejucar and a few other Ranchos in the Colotlan
jurisdicion (if that is the right word for it). Zacatecas:
Sombrerete, Rancho de Los Negros in the Villanueba district, Coculiten,
Momax, Tlaltenango, Tepechitlan, and Tepetongo.

I guess I really need to clarify what I mean. I have relatives that come
from or I believe come from these areas. I've

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-----Original Message-----
From: readysetgo95814
[mailto:mcortez@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:39
AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos]
introductions

Hi all,

My name is Maria Cortez,
I live in a suburb of Sacramento, CA.  I've
been doing research for
about 3 years now. I think I've had contact
with some of you in the
past.

I am not related to Rich Cortez. Cortez is my married name, and I

haven't done any research on that surname. Some of the surnames I'm

researching are:  Sánchez, Díaz, Soto (Sotomayor), Mora (de la Mora),

Delgadillo, Abundis(Agundis/Agundes), Castañeda, Ruíz, and more.  The

towns and ranchos I'm interested in are:  Ixtlahuacán del Río, San

Nicolás de los Abundis, Cuquío, Yahualica, and a few others.

I'm
also a cousin of Steven Hernandez and I've contact with

Hi all,

My name is Maria Cortez, I live in a suburb of Sacramento, CA.  I've 
been doing research for about 3 years now. I think I've had contact 
with some of you in the past.

I am not related to Rich Cortez. Cortez is my married name, and I 
haven't done any research on that surname. Some of the surnames I'm 
researching are:  Sánchez, Díaz, Soto (Sotomayor), Mora (de la Mora), 
Delgadillo, Abundis(Agundis/Agundes), Castañeda, Ruíz, and more.  The 
towns and ranchos I'm interested in are:  Ixtlahuacán del Río, San 
Nicolás de los Abundis, Cuquío, Yahualica, and a few others.

I'm also a cousin of Steven Hernandez and I've contact with him in 
the past.  He is a wealth of information in the Los Altos region.

Regards,

Maria

Diane, 
  Hi.  I just read your post and I see that your husbands name is 
Godinez.  I too, am researching my husband's family tree.  My mother-
in-law's maiden name is Godinez and she is from Jamay, Jalisco.  Her 
names is Victoria and her parents were Catarino & Margarita(Lopez) 
Godinez.  Unfortunately. I am not getting any cooperation with any 
living relatives so I have begun the search on my own.  Not having 
much luck due to the fact I don't have much information to start off 
with.   
Any help you may be able to give, would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you....Tammy Miramontes
-- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "canprin " 
 wrote:
> Dear Joseph and Other Members,
>      I appreciate the opportunity to join with you in sharing 
> information.  I work at an elementary school, am active in church, 
> serve as a board member of Somos Primos, and Family History is my 
> passion.  I have researched my husband's Mexican family for 
numerous 
> years and have