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arturoramos2,

Thursday, February 16, 2006, 8:53:26 PM, you wrote:

> Yolanda:

> I guess the answer to your question depends on the software that
> you are using.  I use an online database called The Next Generation
> that allows you to enter the "DE" or "DE LOS" or "DE LA" in a
> seperate field from the main surname such that when you search or
> sort by surname these are not taken into account.

> When I import the GEDCOM from this software into PAF, I get the
> same problem that you do... a bunch of people end up under the
> letter "D" and I forget to look for them there.

> I definitely like entering the name as it appears... for example a

Yolanda:
  I use The Master Genealogist, which when customized also allows
  entering the "pre-surname" in a separate field that isn't considered
  when the names are sorted. Thus, de la Cruz and Cruz sort together.
  I would normally say that you should enter the names as you find
  them, but the trouble is, the same name is often (usually)

Last month I mentioned that I met with Esteban Valdes Salazar, "cronista" from Totatiche, Jalisco and genealogist who has published a number of very valuable books.  He is in the midst of trying to publish a second edition of the now sold out Historia de Totatiche as well as a new book on the genealogy of the Pinedos and Ortegas of Totatiche.

He has transcribed a whole series of early land titles and is the only historian who has seen the old Fransican convent records from Colotlan from the 1600s.  He is helping Samuel Sanchez get those
filmed as we speak.

He is very strapped for money and is trying to raise money to publish these works and I promised him I would try to get some donations.  I have already received some from a couple of generous Ranchos members.  My parents are headed back down to Mexico in a couple of weeks and I would like to send the

Last month I mentioned that I met with Esteban Valdes Salazar, "cronista" from Totatiche, Jalisco and genealogist who has published a number of very valuable books.  He is in the midst of trying to publish a second edition of the now sold out Historia de Totatiche as well as a new book on the genealogy of the Pinedos and Ortegas of Totatiche.

He has transcribed a whole series of early land titles and is the only historian who has seen the old Fransican convent records from Colotlan from the 1600s.  He is helping Samuel Sanchez get those filmed as we speak.

He is very strapped for money and is trying to raise money to publish these works and I promised him I would try to get some donations.  I have already received some from a couple of generous Ranchos members.  My parents are headed back down to Mexico in a couple of weeks and I would like to send the donation down with them.  Please let me know if you would be willing to contribute, however small an amount.  I will make the

Good information.  

I have one also, what about the last name Garcia de la
Cadena-some of my relatives went with Garcia and
others went with Cadena (which I'm having a problem
finding).  Can anyone from Zacatecas Jerez help me
with this one?

Alberto Duarte

--- Erlinda Castanon-Long 
wrote:

> Welcome to the wonderful world of genealogy! What
> I'm sharing may 
> sound very trying but I must tell you the longer you
> do genealogy 
> the more satisfaction you get when you work long and
> hard and your 
> family is reclaimed after going through many
> records. I found a 
> record I'd had for 3 years the key to taking my
> Gutierrez family 
> from 1750 in Jalisco to 1650 in Michoacan! At other
> times I can 
> thank another person who's shared their information
> and records that 
> opened a door for me. My husband had done the
> records for his family 
> back to 1854 and found someone else online through
> Familysearch.com 
> who'd done that line back to mid 1500's

Not only did they go to alto California, but they also
went to new Mexico.  

Alberto Duarte

--- arturoramos2  wrote:

> 
> In response to your question:
> 
> It is my understanding that vital records in
> Zacatecas
> were burned in the revolution, but what about the
> Catholic
> church records -- does anyone know if they were
> kept?
> 
> The Catholic Church records were the vital records
> in New Spain, New Galicia and then Mexico until the
> late 1800s when a secular civil registry was
> established and even then, it took some communities
> a while before they started complying with the
> government's decrees that all births and marriages
> had to be registered through civil authorities.
> 
> There appears to be a couple of Borondas around
> Jalisco and Zacatecas that are possible candidates
> for being relatives of your ancestor.  It is my
> understading that many of the Alta California
> pioneers in that time period were from the frontier
> provinces (Durango

In response to your question:

It is my understanding that vital records in Zacatecas
were burned in the revolution, but what about the Catholic
church records -- does anyone know if they were kept?

The Catholic Church records were the vital records in New Spain, New Galicia and then Mexico until the late 1800s when a secular civil registry was established and even then, it took some communities a while before they started complying with the government's decrees that all births and marriages had to be registered through civil authorities.

There appears to be a couple of Borondas around Jalisco and Zacatecas that are possible candidates for being relatives of your ancestor.  It is my understading that many of the Alta California pioneers in that time period were from the frontier provinces (Durango, Zacatecas, Chihuahua, etc.)

FRANCISCO XAVIER BORONDA  
  Male   Family 
Parents: 
  Father:  JOSEPH BORONDA  Family 
  Mother:  MARIA AVENDANO     
Marriages: 
  Spouse:  SEBASTIANA

Welcome to the wonderful world of genealogy! What I'm sharing may 
sound very trying but I must tell you the longer you do genealogy 
the more satisfaction you get when you work long and hard and your 
family is reclaimed after going through many records. I found a 
record I'd had for 3 years the key to taking my Gutierrez family 
from 1750 in Jalisco to 1650 in Michoacan! At other times I can 
thank another person who's shared their information and records that 
opened a door for me. My husband had done the records for his family 
back to 1854 and found someone else online through Familysearch.com 
who'd done that line back to mid 1500's and was more than willing to 
share including documentation.

When I started reading records I would discard all names that were 
spelled differently... WRONG!!! I now know the families seldom even 
saw the records and the people giving the information were not 
always the people the records were about.  There were many times 
where the scribe put the

Hello,
I am new to the ranchos group.  My potential link to the
target areas is my ancestor Jose(f) Manuel BORONDA.  It
has been said that he was born in Jerez, in Guadalajara,
and in Spain.  So far there is no proof of any of this. 
He would have been born about 1750.  It is documented that
he came to California in 1769.  He married Maria Gertrudis
HIGUERA at Mission San Carlos in Monterey, California on
23 January 1790. He was 40 at that time.
I have learned that BORONDA is likely a Basque name and
that it has *numerous* spellings! There are very few,
under any spelling, that I can find in Aer or Argena III.
Those that I find on LDS are in Basque Country.
It is my understanding that vital records in Zacatecas
were burned in the revolution, but what about the Catholic
church records -- does anyone know if they were kept?
Muchas gracias.
Kim Raine
Vermont

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Topics in this digest:

1. [Nuestros Ranchos] Juan De La Rosa and Narcisa
From: arturoramos
2. Re: New to the group
From: Peggy Delgado



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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:17:37 -0800 (PST)
From: arturoramos
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Juan De La Rosa and Narcisa


Monica:

There are some interesting entries in the familysearch website for potential matches to the family you are looking for. The mother's

Yolanda:

I guess the
answer to your question depends on the software that you are using.  I use an online database called The Next Generation that allows you to enter the "DE" or "DE LOS" or "DE LA" in a seperate field from the main surname such that when you search or sort by surname these are not taken into account.

When I import the GEDCOM from this software into PAF, I get the same problem that you do... a bunch of people end up under the letter "D" and I forget to look for them there.

I definitely like entering the name as it appears... for example a lot of

Yolanda:

I guess the answer to your question depends on the software that you are using.  I use an online database called The Next Generation that allows you to enter the "DE" or "DE LOS" or "DE LA" in a seperate field from the main surname such that when you search or sort by surname these are not taken into account.

When I import the GEDCOM from this software into PAF, I get the same problem that you do... a bunch of people end up under the letter "D" and I forget to look for them there.

I definitely like entering the name as it appears... for example a lot of contemporary names were once "DE" names such as Rios was "DE LOS RIOS" or "DEL RIO" and Torres was "DE LA TORRE", etc. so I would not enter such names simply as "TORRE".

What software are you using?  Other than ROBALCALVA, do you have any "DE" names such as those I mention above?
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HOW DO RANCHOS MEMBERS HANDLE THIS, IT HAS BECOME A CONFUSING DILEMA
FOR ME. I PUT IN ROBALCAVA AND FOR HIS DAUGHTER I FIND HER AS DE
ROBALCAVA....I LATER CAN'T FIND HER UNTIL I REMEMBER TO LOOK
UNDER "DE". I NEED SOME GUIDANCE FROM YOU EXPERIENCED GENEALOGISTS.
MIXED-UP IN EL PASO YOLANDA MEDINA PEREZ

HOW DO RANCHOS MEMBERS HANDLE THIS, IT HAS BECOME A CONFUSING DILEMA 
FOR ME. I PUT IN ROBALCAVA AND FOR HIS DAUGHTER I FIND HER AS DE 
ROBALCAVA....I LATER CAN'T FIND HER UNTIL I REMEMBER TO LOOK 
UNDER "DE".   I NEED SOME GUIDANCE FROM YOU EXPERIENCED GENEALOGISTS.
MIXED-UP IN EL PASO      YOLANDA MEDINA PEREZ

its been awhile since i did a notice of what
was new on the Nuestra Familia Unida Podcast. Here is a new feature
that lists all audio on the site:

Hi, Mu name is Monica Medina, i'm mexican currently living in
Montpellier, France.

I've started my genealogical research and I have roots in Zacatecas,
this are the names:

Ines de la Rosa Sandoval (my greatgrand mother) was daugther of Juan
de la Rosa and Narcisa Sandoval. They come from Fresnillo, Zacatecas
I haven't found more information on dates, but I keep on researching.

Also, for the family of my mom I know that Ontiveros surname comes
from Zacatecas, but i'm not 100% sure, does anyones knows if this is
true?

Thank you,
Monica

Monica:

There are some interesting entries in the familysearch website for potential matches to the family you are looking for. The mother's surname does not match, but that is not as uncommon as you may think.

JUAN DE LA ROSA
Male
Marriages:
Spouse: NARCISA ACOSTA Family
Marriage: 28 OCT 1872 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria, Zacatecas, Mexico
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

Monica:

There are some interesting entries in the familysearch website for potential matches to the family you are looking for.  The mother's surname does not match, but that is not as uncommon as you may think.

JUAN DE LA ROSA  
Male
Marriages: 
  Spouse:  NARCISA ACOSTA  Family 
  Marriage:  28 OCT 1872   Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria, Zacatecas, Mexico 
Source Information: 
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:  Type:  Printout Call No.:  Type:  
 M600825  1866 - 1875  0439842   Film    

ESTANISLAO ROZAS CALDERON  
Male
 Christening:  23 NOV 1874   Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria, Zacatecas, Mexico 
 Parents: 
  Father:  JUAN ROZAS  Family 
  Mother:  NARCISA CALDERON 
Source Information:
Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:  Type:  Printout Call No.:  Type:  
 C600824  1872 - 1875  0439823   Film

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Message from Mónica mony7979@...

Hi, Mu name is Monica Medina, i'm mexican currently living in Montpellier, France.

I've started my

Welcome to the group Monica!

--- Mónica  wrote:

> 
> Hi, Mu name is Monica Medina, i'm mexican currently
> living in 
> Montpellier, France.
> 
> I've started my genealogical research and I have
> roots in Zacatecas, 
> this are the names:
> 
> Ines de la Rosa Sandoval (my greatgrand mother) was
> daugther of Juan 
> de la Rosa and Narcisa Sandoval. They come from
> Fresnillo, Zacatecas
> I haven't found more information on dates, but I
> keep on researching.
> 
> Also, for the family of my mom I know that Ontiveros
> surname comes 
> from Zacatecas, but i'm not 100% sure, does anyones
> knows if this is 
> true?
> 
> Thank you,
> Monica
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Hi, Mu name is Monica Medina, i'm mexican currently living in 
Montpellier, France.

I've started my genealogical research and I have roots in Zacatecas, 
this are the names:

Ines de la Rosa Sandoval (my greatgrand mother) was daugther of Juan 
de la Rosa and Narcisa Sandoval. They come from Fresnillo, Zacatecas
I haven't found more information on dates, but I keep on researching.

Also, for the family of my mom I know that Ontiveros surname comes 
from Zacatecas, but i'm not 100% sure, does anyones knows if this is 
true?

Thank you,
Monica

The RSVP deadline (the 15th) is looming for the first Southern
California Ranchos Meeting. You still have an opportunity to
respond-- and please do so. I want the meeting to be a great
success. Some had responded months ago stating that they would like
to attend, but I haven't heard from them since. Maybe you never
mentioned that you would like to attend, but now you realize that
February 25th is doable.

The RSVP deadline (the 15th) is looming for the first Southern 
California Ranchos Meeting.  You still have an opportunity to 
respond-- and please do so.  I want the meeting to be a great 
success.  Some had responded months ago stating that they would like 
to attend, but I haven't heard from them since.  Maybe you never 
mentioned that you would like to attend, but now you realize that 
February 25th is doable.  

Whatever your situation, please let me know at 
lareina2@... or rosalindamruiz@... if you plan to 
attend, so I can send you information and we can order food for 
you.  As you know, the more people who come, the merrier, and I 
would love to meet you.  Please don't be shy!

As a reminder:

February 25, 2006
11:30 a.m.
Rowland Heights, CA

Thanks,

Rosalinda  

I just want to let you know I have sent you an email about the
Southern California meeting. Please let me know that you have
received it.

Rosalinda