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Welcome Betty! I have a LOT of Jauregui DNA matches but have yet to figure out where they come in on my tree. My Paternal side were all mainly for Nochistlan, Los Duranes, Monte de Yanez, Zapopan, La Venta, and La Primavera. And same here! I'm willing to share any information that may help anyone else out here. My pedigree chart is posted here in Files :)

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/AJaime76

Good to have another cousin. I looked at the following record of your relatives and worked my way back.

Christoval Manuel Jáuregui Ximénez
1730–1789 • GSZ9-8DJ
Marriage: 17 FEB 1745Nochistlan,Zacatecas,Mexico

Catharina De Sarate y Aramburu
1725–Deceased • GSZ9-68F

I noticed you re related to many of us here through the Islas (Diego Delgadillo cc Petrona Gonsales Moscoso). There is another Margarita Martin de Sotomayor who is a single mother but not sure as i did not have her as a child of Andres Martin de Sotomayor (but I haven't reviewed it). You are also related to my cousins the Lomelins and if I could ever find the parents of Manuel Rodriguez 1750 cc to Petra Alonzo (Pinos, Las Vuidas, Aguascalientes or San Luis Potosi) maybe through the Rodriguez as well.

Hi Esther!

I just saw this particular post of yours. I was in Degollado this summer too. And I went out to see the surrounding region like you did. It was an amazing experience.

I brought back a couple of books by José "Pepe" Villaseñor Ramírez that might interest you. One is a microhistoria of Degollado à la Pueblo en vilo. Microhistoria de San José de Gracia (1968) by Luis González y González. The other is an anthology of oral histories he collected from some of the older residents of the town. I don't have them in front of me know, but I'll share their titles here later. I bought them from his sister, about a half a block up from la Plaza de la Amistad.

Glenn

José Villaseñor Ramírez Book Titles:
1 - Crónicas de la memoria. Los oficios en el siglo XX en Degollado, Jalisco
2 - Casa grande, patria chica.

Hi Esther,

Thanks for sharing,

Rick A. Ricci

Hello All,

Here are some additional links to padrones for Cotija and Tinguindin:

Cotija

Tinguindin

1758

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-6C9K-7?i=174&cc=1883388

This answer assumes you are seeking the Spanish pronunciation. I have no idea how Basque pronounces anything.
If there are no accent marks, then it would be o-REN-dain (o-REN-dine in English spelling), with accent on middle "REN." This is because in Spanish the next to the last syllable takes the stress in any word that ends in a vowel, "n," or "s." If the word ends in a consonant, then the stress is on the last syllable. The only way to change that is to use an accent mark to indicate the syllable that should have the accent.

If Oredain were to be pronounced with stress on the final syllable, o-ren-DAIN, then you would have to place an accent mark on the "a." The letters "e" and "i" are "weak" vowels in Spanish and so glide into and form a diphthong with the vowel next to them. Following this rule, "dai" would be pronounced like English "die" (setting aside for the moment the fact that Spanish "d" sounds more like English "th" and not English "d"), regardless whether it is the syllable that is stressed or not. If you wanted the final "i" to have the stress, then you'd have to put an accent mark on it.

As to what the original spelling with accent marks was, that might be mostly conjecture since Spanish famously did not start to use accent marks regularly prior to about two centuries ago.

If you can get away with it, just put Orendain in all caps ("ORENDAIN"). Then you can sidestep the whole accent mark question, since Spanish capital letters do not take diacritical marks.

Also, the single "r" is not rolled. The double "rr" is rolled.

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I would go for a long i ( your second choice), but then that's how we (mexicans) pronounce it now, heavens knows how they did it back then.
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I am having an audiobook produced, dedicated to my great-grandmother,
Hipolita Orendain de Medina. I need to know the correct Spanish
pronunciation of "Orendain." I've gone to a variety of resources online,
but they don't all agree. I have no contact with any living relatives in
Mexico. Is the "dain" part of the name pronounced similar to the English
"dain" (long a sound), "dine" (long i sound) or "dean/deen" (long e sound)
? And where should the accent mark fall?

I truly would appreciate your assistance.

Thank you,
Laurel Anne Hill

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Hi Rick, I see ?hermano?. I am however a novice in reading old
manuscript. I?ve asked a few people including historians and credible
genealogists and they concur. Maybe others can weigh in? I see: ?QUE EL
DOCTOR JUAN D?AZ DE ALCOCER DEL NUESTRO CONSEJO VUESTRO HERMANO... ? In
this immediate family there are many Diego?s and a few Pedro?s so I?m
not surprised that people easily get them confused and much of my research is
in secondary resources since Not everything is online and I?m in
California. According to Los Conversos y la Inquisicion Sevillana by Juan Gil
v. 3, page 206-211. Dr. Juan Diaz de Alcocer was the Brother of Diego Alcocer
(married to Blanca). Other brothers include 1. Fernando married to Gracia de
Prado ( I think the Prado Madrid fam) 2. Pedro Gonzalez de Alcocer
Coincidently, in vol. 5 p. 394 of this book series it lists Pedro de Toledo
married to Beatriz Fernandez, parents of Blanca Nunez is listed in reference
to Beatriz testamento in 1508 where she requests to be buried in San
Bartolom? ( juder?a Sevilla) and names her children. 1. Rodrigo de Toledo
2. Garcia de la Torre 3. Blanca Nunez , mujer del jurado Diego de Alcocer.
I?d be interested to know anything u would like to share on Pedro de
Toledo. My research so far encompasses the alcocers including Maria Ortiz
their mother but I?ve barely scratched the surface if Blanca. Best, Maven

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Hi Sus, This is great. Thank you for sharing. I found my many times gg
greatfather hernando Frias recorded. Best, Maven

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Hi Sus,

This is great. Thank you for sharing. I found my many times gg greatfather hernando Frias recorded.
Best,
Maven

Wow really interesting! I have a lot of Garcias from Zacatecas on both my mom and dads side. I wish I could find a book specifically about Sombrerete.

Thanks for sharing this with the group Raúl.

My maternal grandmother was Carolina García-Rojas y Camino, her direct paternal line are nephews to the governor of Aguascalientes Pedro García de Rojas. The book is definitely an interesting read. As you denoted, the book contains many photographs, signatures, maps, etc. It even contains coat of arms of the López de Nava, González de Hermosillo and García de Rojas families.

Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

Saludos Daniel ya habiamos correspondido hace tiempo. Busco datos sobre Isabel (Ruiz) de Haro. Segun una Limpieza de Sangre que revise Isabel fue hermana de Pedro Ruiz de Haro y hija de Pedro de Haro El secretario del Duque de Albuquerque. No de quien fue marido de Isabel. Es mi ancestra por familia Michel Ordonez. Region de Compostela y Guadalajara en tiempo de la Colonia. Cualquier dato que me aportes me services muchisimo Gracias de ante mano

Victor M Gomez

HOLA A TODOS

EN UNA DISPENSA MATRIMONIAL ME ENCONTRE QUE LOS PADRES DE ANTONIO NUÑO RASURA ERAN ALONSO NUÑO E ISABEL NUÑEZ DE HARO, DESPUES DE MUCHO BUSCAR ENCONTRE OTRA GENERACION, ESTA ISABEL NUÑEZ DE HARO TENDRA ALGUNA RELACION CON LOS RUIZ DE VELASCO? ALGUIEN ME PUEDE AYUDAR. GRACIAS

hola,
Ruiz de Velasco y Haro?
creo que aqui tienes una confusión,
existen dos virreyes de Velasco y uno de Haro,

Luis de Velasco, Señor de Salinas (1550-1564)
Luis de Velasco, hijo (1590-1595) (1ª Vez)
Luis de Velasco, hijo (1607-1611) (2ª Vez)
Alonso Núñez de Haro y Peralta, Arzobispo de Mexico (Interino) (Mayo-Agosto
1787).

Creo que tienes mal la información, checa esta página:
http://documents.medici.org/people_details.cfm?personid=1290

Te platico mi historia, yo pensé que era descendiente de Alonso Nuñez de
Haro o de su familia, pero despues de hacer mi investigación me di cuenta
que mis origenes españoles eran mas recientes y venian de un pequeñisimo
pueblo cercano a Santander y hasta donde sé, sin relación alguna con este
personaje ya que el era oriundo de Cuenca tambien en España.

Espero que tu tengas mas suerte que yo, ya buscaremos las pruebas..

Saludos
Patty

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 10:06 PM, mendezdelcamino
wrote:

>
> Can Any HELP! Those who have Ruiz de Velasco lines in Los Altos
> the patriarch is Pedro Ruiz de Velasco y Haro married to ANa Núñez
> y Bohórrquez. He is supposed to have been a relative of the Viceroy Luís
> Ruiz de Velasco y Haro or commonly shortened to Luís de Velasco.
> Has anyone made this connection yet or have any info or leads? If
> Pedro was a Velasco y Haro he has to descend from Antonio
> de Velasco, Sñor de salinas and Juana Ruiz de Alarcón. The Ruiz de Velasco
> y Haro last name was created when these two married. I have Pedro born ca.
> 1590
> His uknown father ca. 1560 and his grandfather uknown ca. 1518 and his grt
> grandfather should be Antonio de Velasco and Juana Ruiz de Alarcón. Who
> knows maybe the viceroy was his grandfather anything is possible but we need
> proof. Any leads or info welcomed! -Daniel Méndez del Camino

Once again Manny you find those nuggets and then you make sense out of them. Sorry it took so long to give you thanks but you have to admit there are so many of them with twists and curves and same names. Trying to catch up with their information. As Joan Dias de Leon is my 10th grandfather I will now look for any clue to who the daughter is that had Gaspar.

Thanks

Buscando info sobre Juan Vasques Perea, me encontré con esta pregunta, la cual yace desde 2010.
Retomo la cuestión y la dejo abierta, agradeciendo cualquier tipo de información que pudiera ser de utilidad.
English or Spanish :)
Saludos cordiales.

Hello,
I am following their conversation about the Basques Mercado since I have ancestors with the same last name but I have not been able to place them among the information you have provided on this post.

I am including below the information of the Basques Mercado I have in my family tree in case it helps in any way with your research, or if there is any information you might have about them I would appreciate anything you could share.

A) Juan Basques Mercado (birth before 1725 – died 12/April/1762 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco) married to Anna Contreras. (I don’t know who their ancestors are)

They had 3 kids that I am aware of, listed below- The marriage certificate of each kid states that they were originally from the City of Zacatecas and that they moved to Jalostotitlan around 1749 or 1750):

1) Maria Guadalupe Basques Mercado (born before 1738) married on 11/Jan/1753 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco to Joseph Sanches (Son of Manuel Sanches and Theresa de Saavedra)
Witnesses: Pedro Gomez, Joseph Gomez, Joseph Placencia
Godparents: Joseph Gonzalez, Anna Munoz

2) Joaquin Basques Mercado (born before 1739) married on 03/Feb/1754 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco to Anna Xaviera de Mendoza (widow de Guillermo Flores)
Witnesses: Miguel Perez, Joseph Antonio Placencia, Jacinto Casimiro
Godparents: Diego de la Mora, Ignes Mercado

3) Jose Ramon Basques Mercado (born before 1740) married on 22/Nov/1756 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco to Maria Silveria Alvarez de la Cruz (daughter of Juan Manuel Alvarez de la Cruz and Feliciana de Anda). I descended from this couple.
Witnesses: Joseph Placencia, Joaquin Mercado, Julian Jimenez
Godparents: Joseph Antonio Mercado, Maria Guadalupe Mercado

Another ancestor of this last name is:
B) Maria Mercado (b. 1700-30/Aug/1735 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas) married on 15/Feb/1722 in Nochistlan to Nicolas de Loza Hermosillo born 29/Sep/1699 in Jalostotitlan (son of Joseph de Loza and Josefa de Hermosillo)
As per some online websites, this Maria Mercado is listed as the daughter of Juan Bacilio Onofre Basques de Mercado and Ynes Rangel de Acuna but I have not seen any documentation for this yet.

This couple had at least the following kids:
1) Estefana Maria Loza Mercado 19/Jan/1724 (Godparents: Christobal Mercado)
2) Juana Loza Mercado 15/June/1725 (Godparents: Joseph Mercado and Epifania? Sandoval)
3) Joseph Patricio Loza Mercado 30/Mar/1727 (Godparents: Juan Mercado and Angela de Torres)
4) Jose Isidro Loza Mercado 23/May/1728 (Godparents: Cayetano Rodriguez and Catharina de Sandoval)
5) Vicente Loza about 1729
6) Pablo Antonio Loza (b between 1730-1735)
7) Maria Leonor Loza (b between 1730-1735)

Regards,
Minerva

This is the Padron 1649 from Nochistlan if this is what you are looking for.

Padrones, Caja 48 letra-M, 1649-1954

Film # 100563753

Starts at image 31.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99KJ-T91Z?i=30&cat=230…

The 1664 is on same film.

Starts on image 61.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99KJ-TSND?i=60&cat=230…

su padre fue Juan

Manuel de Aceves

I have Ancestry and it's very good, it's free and you can have it private to I have Barbosas in my family my 8th grandparents were Diego Antonio De Barbosa
1662–1715 Cocula Jalisco and Juana De Partida take care dear it's very nice to share

Hi Gaby, since the beginning, I decided to use genealogy software on my computer. I've been using Rootsmagic for six years and I love it. You can try their free software here

http://rootsmagic.com/Essentials/

, which is a stripped down version of the full version, but it has all the basics , so you can see if you like it. If you want to get the full version, is only 29.95 dollars.

I do all my data entry, pictures, documents, etc on my PC, then I publish it online using TNG which is software that runs on a website
http://www.tngsitebuilding.com/
it's only 32.99

Using Rootsmagic, I export my tree. It generates a gedcom file which I upload to my TNG website, then using Filezilla, I upload all the new media, and that's it.

Hi Gaby,

I have also wondered what the more experienced genealogists use. I started with Ancestry because it was easier to add information, add attachments and make changes but it did get expensive to keep and I saw myself searching for documents on family search. So I cancelled my subscription with them. Now I keep it on family search but it’s not your private family tree and anyone can make changes to it. I have noticed I lost people’s names I added. I would love to see what the more experienced people use. Hopefully someone will share with us what they use.

Thanks
Esther

same here

Thank you for your information it help decipher this problem for me. The marriage record (1st record top right) at its ending adds este Juan de Contreras and then Leonor Mojica, I thought maybe they were padrinos and just left it at that until your information. I took a second look and it was vi udo {de} Leonor Mojica.

Juan de Cardona (vuido de peres Mojica)
1620–Deceased • L5TG-P2Q
Teresa de Contreras
1654–Deceased • LTWG-8PX
Marriage: 8 May 1672
Sagrario, San Luis Potosi, San Luis Potosi, Mexico

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9GLC-3V3

Dear Manny,
I enjoyed reading your essay. It was a nice gift to receive on Día De los Reyes.
Thank you for sharing your work. It is greatly appreciated.

Happy New Year,
Rick A. Ricci

Manny,
Thank you so much for the information. I have 2 lines in Sierra de Pinos.
I'm a little confuse. The PDF that was summited to the group a few days ago (the index), some of the records in this index are in film 221879 (from Lagos). Am i right??

Thank you so much again. I truly appreciate all your work in this area

saludos

susana L

Thanks Manny looking forward to your EBook!