Surname Spelling Variations/ Indigenous Ancestry
Arturo,
Is Saucedo, a spelling variation for Salsedo/Salcedo/Salzedo?
I would be interested in reading what you have on the names that the
"indigenous," individuals used, absent of a surname...
On one of the lines that I am researching I have come across a Maria De La
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Arturo,
Is Saucedo, a spelling variation for Salsedo/Salcedo/Salzedo?
I would be interested in reading what you have on the names that the
"indigenous," individuals used, absent of a surname...
On one of the lines that I am researching I have come across a Maria De La
Candelaria Salzedo Santa Maria bapt. Feb 1736 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman,
daughter of Joseph De Santa Maria y Juana Salzedo. Joseph's father is
mentioned as a Diego Thomas, married to Francisca Thomasa Santa Maria on 17
June 1710. Diego's parents are noted as being Juan Francisco y Ana
Agustina ... would this be an example of the naming practice of our
"indigenous," ancestors? Is Santa Maria considered a surname?
Pat Silva Corbera
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this is my take. Take a name and then add bad, average, and good
handwriting. Add primative writing equipment, paper, ink. Add sometimes
to little ink or to much. Add smudges or words from the previous pages
too heavy ink inprinted on another word.
I can visusalize very easily Saucedo being a spelling variation, Not
officially though.
Take the small "L" and as you write in a hurry shorten it and take out
the space in the loop and then add a hand cramp because of soo much
writing so that it looks like an "i" and then another "i" accidently as
you race on through the page and now you have a small "u." and bingo you
have "Saucedo."
So with a good imagination for the possibilities you can see how a weary
and overworked scribe could easily produce something that easily looks
like "Saucedo" when he actually meant "Salcedo." But once the name gets
interpreted as "Saucedo" maybe it sticks.
Oh and my G grandmother and then my GG grandfather and my GGG
grandfather and then my GGGG grandfather all wore the surname "Santa Maria."
Antonia Santa Maria and Lucio Santa Maria and Felipe Santa Maria and
then Jose Salome Santa Maria (all from the ranchos around Tepetongo:
Salitral, Salitrillo, etc.)
joseph
papagaia2 wrote:
> Arturo,
>Is Saucedo, a spelling variation for Salsedo/Salcedo/Salzedo?
>I would be interested in reading what you have on the names that the
>"indigenous," individuals used, absent of a surname...
>On one of the lines that I am researching I have come across a Maria De La
>Candelaria Salzedo Santa Maria bapt. Feb 1736 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman,
>daughter of Joseph De Santa Maria y Juana Salzedo. Joseph's father is
>mentioned as a Diego Thomas, married to Francisca Thomasa Santa Maria on 17
>June 1710. Diego's parents are noted as being Juan Francisco y Ana
>Agustina ... would this be an example of the naming practice of our
>"indigenous," ancestors? Is Santa Maria considered a surname?
>Pat Silva Corbera
>
>
>
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My great-great grandmother was surnamed Salcedo and she came from
Jerez. I'm not sure who her parents are. Marge:)
On Oct 14, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:
> this is my take. Take a name and then add bad, average, and good
> handwriting. Add primative writing equipment, paper, ink. Add sometimes
> to little ink or to much. Add smudges or words from the previous pages
> too heavy ink inprinted on another word.
>
> I can visusalize very easily Saucedo being a spelling variation, Not
> officially though.
>
> Take the small "L" and as you write in a hurry shorten it and take out
> the space in the loop and then add a hand cramp because of soo much
> writing so that it looks like an "i" and then another "i" accidently as
> you race on through the page and now you have a small "u." and bingo
> you
> have "Saucedo."
>
> So with a good imagination for the possibilities you can see how a
> weary
> and overworked scribe could easily produce something that easily looks
> like "Saucedo" when he actually meant "Salcedo." But once the name gets
> interpreted as "Saucedo" maybe it sticks.
>
> Oh and my G grandmother and then my GG grandfather and my GGG
> grandfather and then my GGGG grandfather all wore the surname "Santa
> Maria."
>
> Antonia Santa Maria and Lucio Santa Maria and Felipe Santa Maria and
> then Jose Salome Santa Maria (all from the ranchos around Tepetongo:
> Salitral, Salitrillo, etc.)
>
> joseph
>
>
> papagaia2 wrote:
>
>> Arturo,
>> Is Saucedo, a spelling variation for Salsedo/Salcedo/Salzedo?
>> I would be interested in reading what you have on the names that the
>> "indigenous," individuals used, absent of a surname...
>> On one of the lines that I am researching I have come across a Maria
>> De La
>> Candelaria Salzedo Santa Maria bapt. Feb 1736 Tlaltenango De Sanchez
>> Roman,
>> daughter of Joseph De Santa Maria y Juana Salzedo. Joseph's father is
>> mentioned as a Diego Thomas, married to Francisca Thomasa Santa Maria
>> on 17
>> June 1710. Diego's parents are noted as being Juan Francisco y Ana
>> Agustina ... would this be an example of the naming practice of our
>> "indigenous," ancestors? Is Santa Maria considered a surname?
>> Pat Silva Corbera
>>
>>
>>
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My mother's brother married a lady whose surname was Salcido. I have not been able to trace their patriarch Nepomuceno Salcido. They lived in Mesilla, New Mexico.
Emilie
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My great-great grandmother was surnamed Salcedo and she came from
Jerez. I'm not sure who her parents are. Marge:)
On Oct 14, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:
> this is my take. Take a name and then add bad, average, and good
> handwriting. Add primative writing equipment, paper, ink. Add sometimes
> to little ink or to much. Add smudges or words from the previous pages
> too heavy ink inprinted on another word.
>
> I can visusalize very easily Saucedo being a spelling variation, Not
> officially though.
>
> Take the small "L" and as you write in a hurry shorten it and take out
> the space in the loop and then add a hand cramp because of soo much
> writing so that it looks like an "i" and then another "i" accidently as
> you race on through the page and now you have a small "u." and bingo
> you
> have "Saucedo."
>
> So with a good imagination for the possibilities you can see how a
> weary
> and overworked scribe could easily produce something that easily looks
> like "Saucedo" when he actually meant "Salcedo." But once the name gets
> interpreted as "Saucedo" maybe it sticks.
>
> Oh and my G grandmother and then my GG grandfather and my GGG
> grandfather and then my GGGG grandfather all wore the surname "Santa
> Maria."
>
> Antonia Santa Maria and Lucio Santa Maria and Felipe Santa Maria and
> then Jose Salome Santa Maria (all from the ranchos around Tepetongo:
> Salitral, Salitrillo, etc.)
>
> joseph
>
>
> papagaia2 wrote:
>
>> Arturo,
>> Is Saucedo, a spelling variation for Salsedo/Salcedo/Salzedo?
>> I would be interested in reading what you have on the names that the
>> "indigenous," individuals used, absent of a surname...
>> On one of the lines that I am researching I have come across a Maria
>> De La
>> Candelaria Salzedo Santa Maria bapt. Feb 1736 Tlaltenango De Sanchez
>> Roman,
>> daughter of Joseph De Santa Maria y Juana Salzedo. Joseph's father is
>> mentioned as a Diego Thomas, married to Francisca Thomasa Santa Maria
>> on 17
>> June 1710. Diego's parents are noted as being Juan Francisco y Ana
>> Agustina ... would this be an example of the naming practice of our
>> "indigenous," ancestors? Is Santa Maria considered a surname?
>> Pat Silva Corbera
>>
>>
>>
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Pat:
Saucedo could be an alteration of Salcedo, but in Tlaltenango the name usually appears as Saucedo, but I have also seen it changed to Salcedo or Salzedo. I believe the name is derived from a tree called Sauz which is common in arid parts of Mexico and the U.S... some type of willow I believe. It plays a vital part in Mexican mythology, as it was the tree that Quetzalcoatl turned into as part of the creation.
ENTONCES, LOS CUATRO HERMANOS CREARON A CUATRO HOMBRES; ATEMOC, ITZACOATL, ITZMALIZA Y TENOCH. LUEGO ENTRARON EN LA TIERRA Y EMERGIERON EN LOS CUATRO PUNTOS CARDINALES, CADA UNO CONVERTIDO EN UN ARBOL DIFERENTE; TEZCATLIPOCA SE CONVIRTIO EN EL TEZCACUAHUITL, ARBOL ESPEJO. Y QUETZALCOATL SE CONVIRTIO EN EL QUETZALHUEXOCH, SAUZ HERMOSO.
I have seen it often used by indigenous people, as with other names that refer to common natural elements such as Rio, Campo, Flores, etc.
Santa Maria is a very typical indigeous name. Often, they would be given generic Christian-alluding names to demonstrate that they had been baptized such as de la Cruz or de Dios or de Santa Maria, etc. The fact that most of the surnames in that branch are of that variety and that so many others have no surnames would lead me to bet these are all indigenous people.
In 1710 in Tlaltenango, there were very few Spaniards living in the "towns" other than Tlaltenango. If you find that these people are from Cicacalco or Tepechitlan or Teocaltiche or El Teul, etc. it is likely that they are indigenous. Most of the Spaniards lived in Ranchos or estancias such as Coculiten, etc.
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Surname Spelling Variations/ Indigenous Ancestry