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do you know if there are historical weather records for Mexico and how
far back they go. I'd love to know the weather for a couple of select
dates for Sombrerete and Colotlan in 1793.

thanks,

joseph

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nc_coleman wrote:
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> One of the interesting lectures was called "Stormy Weather" - a discussion of how weather effects families, communities, and local economies. Did severe or cataclysmic weather conditions cause families to move from one place to another, etc. (Note: this lecture was a "maiden" lecture - never before presented; we were the guinea pigs for the speakers - but I thought it was a very interesting topic, and provided food for thought. Samples of types of federal records were: 1) Annual Reports of the Surveyors General; 2) federal annual reports of violent ... weather; 3) records of: the Weather Bureau; WPA; Dept of State (there was a brief discussion of the world-wide effcts of the eruption of the volcano Kracatoa [?sp]); 4) photograph collection.
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> Have a good day.
> Natalie in VA
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Joseph/Agustin:

Coculiten is in present days part of the municipality of Momax, Zacatecas, right on the border with Colotlan, Jalisco. Before a seperate parrish was set up in Momax, baptisms from this town were performed in Tlaltenango.

That being said, Agustin, you are right that many of the registro civil records for Momax are missing... i.e. only the following records are filmed by the FHL:

Nacimientos 1876-1882, 1912-1913 -- Matrimonios 1875-1877, 1879-1880, 1885-1887, 1912-1915 -- Defunciones 1871-1876, 1878-1886, 1912

VAULT INTL Film 2245129 Items 1 - 8

However, the church records are a bit more promising, in particular all of the baptisms for the years in question exist:

Bautismos 1878-1892 FHL INTL Film 443991
Bautismos 1892-1905 FHL INTL Film 443992

as well as the marriage films, though you will have to sift through informacion matrimonial:

Información matrimonial 1874-1877 FHL INTL Film 444000
Información matrimonial 1879-1886 VAULT INTL Film 444001
Información matrimonial 1886-1894 FHL INTL Film 444002
Información matrimonial 1894-1901 FHL INTL Film 444003

Many of the Momax films are indexed and can be searched online:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/films/Zacatecas/2030

this has been a confusion to me. In Jalisco and in Zacatecas I have seen
on maps a Coculitlen/Coculiten and then a Cuculiten/Cuculitlen (not sure
if the "tlen" is correct on either). Anyway I know that there was a
Cuculitlen in Zacatecas and those records are sometimes found in the
Tlaltenango films. Go to www.familysearch.org and find your local Family
History Center, pay them a visit and order some film:

Title
*Registros parroquiales, 1630-1961*

Authors
*Iglesia Católica (Tlaltenango de Sánchez Román, Zacatecas) (Main Author)*

Notes
*Microfilm de manuscritos en Tlaltenango de Sánchez Román.
Catholic church parish registers of baptisms, confirmations, marriages
and deaths from Tlaltenango de Sánchez Román, Zacatecas, Mexico.
Text in Spanish.*

Subjects
* México, Zacatecas, Tlaltenango de Sánchez Román - Church records*

Format
* Manuscript (On Film)*

Language
* Spanish*

Publication
* Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmados por The Genealogical Society of Utah,
1961-1978*

Physical
* 177 rollos de microfilm ; 35 mm., 16 mm.*

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
*
Bautismos 1884-1890 - FHL INTL Film [ 443824 ]
Bautismos 1890-1895 - FHL INTL Film [ 443825 ]
Bautismos 1895-1901 - FHL INTL Film [ 443826 ]*

If indeed you are looking for Momax films then here are some possible
films to order:

Title
*Registros parroquiales, 1776-1961*

Authors
*Iglesia Católica (Momax, Zacatecas) (Main Author)*

Notes
*Microfilm de manuscritos en Momax.
Algunos tomos incluyen índice.
Los registros de esta parroquia de Momax incluyen varios lugares de los
municipios de Tlaltenango de Sánchez Román en Zacatecas y Colotlán en
Jalisco.
Parish registers of baptisms, confirmations, marriages and deaths from
Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico.*

Subjects
* México, Zacatecas, Momax - Church records
México, Jalisco, Refugio - Church records*

Format
* Manuscript (On Film)*

Language
* Spanish*

Publication
* Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmado por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah, 1962*

Physical
* 37 rollos de microfilm ; 35 mm.*

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
*Bautismos 1776-1811 - FHL INTL Film [ 443987 ]
Bautismos 1811-1829 - FHL INTL Film [ 443988 ]
Bautismos 1829-1850 - FHL INTL Film [ 443989 ]
Bautismos 1850-1878 - FHL INTL Film [ 443990 ]
Bautismos 1878-1892 - FHL INTL Film [ 443991 ]
Bautismos 1892-1905 - FHL INTL Film [ 443992 ]
Bautismos 1905-1919 - FHL INTL Film [ 443993 ]

if you are looking in the Tepetongo area then here are films to order:

*

Title
*Registros parroquiales, 1750-1972*

Authors
*Iglesia Católica. San Juan Bautista (Tepetongo, Zacatecas) (Main Author)*

Notes
*Microfilme de manuscritos en los archivos de la parroquia y del
Obispado de Zacatecas.
Algunos de los libros incluyen índice.
Parish registers of baptisms, confirmations, marriage petitions and
marriages, and deaths from Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico.*

Subjects
* México, Zacatecas, Tepetongo - Church records*

Format
* Manuscript (On Film)*

Language
* Spanish*

Publication
* Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmados por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah,
1978, 1988*

Physical
* 51 rollos de microfilme ; 35 mm., 16 mm.*

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
*Bautismos 1750-1770, 1775-1780, 1786-1808, 1812-1817 - FHL INTL Film [
1158146 ]
Bautismos 1818-1831 - FHL INTL Film [ 1158147 ]
Bautismos 1831-1847 - FHL INTL Film [ 1158148 ]
Bautismos 1847-1858 - FHL INTL Film [ 1158149 ]
Bautismos 1859, 1862-1870 - FHL INTL Film [ 1158150 ]
Bautismos 1871-1881 - FHL INTL Film [ 1158151 ]
Bautismos 1881-1891 - FHL INTL Film [ 1158152 ]
Bautismos 1891-1907 - FHL INTL Film [ 1158153 ]
Bautismos 1907-1916 - FHL INTL Film [ 1158154 ]
Bautismos 1916-1932 - FHL INTL Film [ 1158155 ]
Bautismos 1932-1937 - FHL INTL Film [ 1158156 ]
Bautismos de hijos naturales 1843-1860,1862-1919 - FHL INTL Film [
1158157 ]

*agustin mota wrote:
> agustin mota wrote: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:21:37 -0700 (PDT)
> From: agustin mota
> Subject: Suniga -Luna
> To:
>
> I am looking for my lost family can you help? The only information i have is oral history. My grandfathers name was Asencion Luna Haro born around 1892 in Cuculiten Jalisco. My great grandfathers name was Crespin Luna he married Severiana Haro both i believe from the same area.my grandmothers name was Clemencia Suniga born around 1910, married at age 13 died at about age20. after there marrige nothing was ever herd about the Suniga elders. My great grandfathers name was Pedro Suniga i was told came from the Tepetongo area.I was told years ago and recently that there had been a fire in Momax and that these records were lost. My aunts have birth certificates but they provided the information so that the certificate could be made.I know this for a fact.So any information will help get started.I am also reaserching Mota,Herrera,Alvares all from the Momax area these names are progresing due to other records.Thank you all Agustin from northern Sonoma county.
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Jonathan:

The conference is not until the 15th of May so it is a bit more than a month away. I just went on the website and saw some interesting seminars, etc. I am now considering going for a day since I don't think I can take more than that off work and since it is only a few hours from Washington DC.

For anyone interested, below is the website:

http://www.eshow2000.com/ngs/2007/

There is nothing Mexican or Hispanic/Latin themed at all but some of the more technical seminars on standard of proof, technology, etc. seem very useful.

Hi Linda, I just send you a privete email . I have no idea why it was in the refuse place. But I also notice that I can't log on or maybe I don't know how. I would like to add to my family tree for all to see but I can.
Have a nice weekend all.

Mary

Alicia,
I was planning on going with all my cousins who live
in LA, but it turns out my niece is doing her
confirmation that same weekend in Benicia. I really
hate to miss out. Sounds like fun. Oh well, maybe next
year.

Let me know if you decide to go.

Loulou

--- Alicia Carrillo wrote:

> Loulou,
>
> Will you be going to this event? Or for that matter
> will anyone else who's from that region be going to
> this celebration in April? I don't know if I can but
> it sounds like it would be a nice opportunity to
> meet up with people from our region.
>
> Thanks Loulou for posting this!!
>
> Alicia,
> San Jose, Calif
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Loulou_R
> To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 2:39:53 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sèptimo Aniversario del
> Día de Nochistlense
>
>
> Just wanted to pass along the following
> announcement:
>
> La Asociación de Clubes Nochistlenses los invita a
> celebrar el día del Nochistlense los días 28 y 29 de
> Abril del presente año.
>
> http://nochistlenses.org/eventos.html
>

i will be going.

Alicia Carrillo wrote: Loulou,

Will you be going to this event? Or for that matter will anyone else who's from that region be going to this celebration in April? I don't know if I can but it sounds like it would be a nice opportunity to meet up with people from our region.

Thanks Loulou for posting this!!

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

----- Original Message ----
From: Loulou_R
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 2:39:53 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sèptimo Aniversario del Día de Nochistlense

Just wanted to pass along the following announcement:

La Asociación de Clubes Nochistlenses los invita a celebrar el día del Nochistlense los días 28 y 29 de Abril del presente año.

http://nochistlenses.org/eventos.html

Mary,

If you want a old map of Zacatecas, I suggest going to www.davidrumsey.com .
They have 2 Maps of Zacatecas , One from 1827 and the other from 1858. Also, I can email you a map of Zacatecas (but it is 5 meg in size).

Jonathan

Mary,

What type of a map, are you looking for?

Jonathan

--------- Original Message --------
From: research@nuestrosranchos.org
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Panuco, Zacatecas
Date: 04/01/07 09:40

> I would like to know if someone is doing resarch in Panuco, Zacatecas. I
would also like a map of Zacatecas, can anyone help me with getting one??
>
> I am doing resarch for my g--grandmother, her name is Manuela Mitre and
her father is Maroial Mitre her mother is Juana Sandoval and they are from
Panuco, Zacatecas. It seems that her father got married more than once and
I am having a hard time to know which is which.
> There is to many Manuel's in that area. I found a Manuel Garcia getting
married to a Manuela Mitre, but I don't think that is the one. She is 15
years old when she married and if I am not mistaken she got married in
1869. My Manuela Mitre had a child in 1861.
>
> I also ran into a Robert Mite from Colorado.and his g--grandfather's name
is Tiburcio Mitre and his wife was Refo Diaz. This was the begning of my
confusion. When I did a resarch I found out that both g-g-grandfathers
have the same name, but different wifes.
>
> Monday I will be ordering 2 film from the LDS. One for Birth and one for
Marriages. Maybe I can solve this problem.
>
> Mary
>
>
> mgervassi@earthlink.net
> EarthLink Revolves Around You.

The Portuguese surname practices that you discuss were not unique to the Portuguese. The Spanish in the 1500's and beyond take similar liberty in the use of apellidos. For example, the Santos Coy and the de la Garza Falcon surnames from the Nuevo Leon/Saltillo/Monterey are equally bizarre if you go back to the original paternal and maternal surnames in Spain. Admittedly, these two families had family members in their genealogy tree that were Portuguese and likely Jewish. However, there many other Spanish examples, e.g. Don Juan de Oñate---Basque paternal line and converso maternal line.

I often wonder if the conversos had multiple names (Christian name and Jewish name), thereby making the Christian name less important or not as important. The latter is sheer speculation on my part.

Ed

Alicia, I'm having the same problem with females choosing to use grandparents surnames in the 1600's in Michoacan Mexico making it really hard to put my Alvarez Del Castillo families in the records correctly. They use grandparents surnames on some records and their mothers surname of others and then there is always that one record with their fathers surname in the mix! If a person was not familiar with what doing genealogy entails they would think we were crazy for putting so many surnames into one persons records.

Every bit of information, like the naming practice's of the Portuguese are important for doing research. I'm wondering if Portuguese scribes in early Mexico had anything to do with this too?

Linda in Everett

Linda Castanon-Long

Natalie,

I was the note taker and have not had a chance to transcribe my notes and present to our coordinator.

Hopefully I will have time this weekend and will submit them to Maria Cortez and she will forward them to the group. We had an extremely lively meeting with much participation on everyone's part. It's been the largest gathering to date, we were cozy like sardines in the meeting room and the room was pretty spacious.

Alicia

----- Original Message ----
From: nc_coleman
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:29:58 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] NoCal Genealogy Meeting - will there be a report?

Just curious: How was the meeting of the Northern California Ranchos Group that was held in Sacramento? The agenda looked very interesting. Will you be posting a report?

Natalie in VA

Natalie,

Thanks for this info. It is very interesting. I also tried the link to the Immigration Museum, and it doesn't work, perhaps because that museum is still in the planning stage or has been put on the back burner? I did try the "more" link, and I really found all the links very interesting as regards sites about the Southwest and Mexico.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
From: nc_coleman
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 4:57 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] "El Paso del Norte"

I came across this site and thought I would share with y'all in case you had not yet seen it (the site):

http://www.espinosaproductions.com/development/norte.html

I tried to connect to the museum site, but the URL wasn't any good.

Natalie in VA

What type of Hispanic conferences are you looking for?

There is the annual Texas conference in September, also there is the Legado Latino Conference in Salt Lake in October or November. Also a good place to keep an eye on, is the calender at the "SHHAR" website (aka: Somos Primos).

Jonathan

for those who want to take the class, you need to goto the website www.familyhistoryliveonline.com and do 2 things, first of all subscribe and then download the viewer program. Then install the viewer onto your computer.

Then when the class is taught you need to log into the class about 5 to 10 minutes before it starts. Because the class is on a first come first served basis, with a limit (for right now) of about 15 people.

Jonathan

I just wanted to let everyone know, I will be teaching my class on Sunday Evenings from 7:15pm to 7:45pm (MST). Starting this coming Sunday. And then I will be doing online support (answering questions) 8pm to 11pm, Sunday evenings. For information, you can e-mail me at jonathan@mexicanfhr.com or you can goto www.familyhistoryliveonline.com

Jonathan

The class will be taught weekly, for the next couple months, and if the need arises there will be a second class taught.

Jonathan