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El Padrón de Tepatitlán en 1689 de Haciendas, Ranchos y Labores

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Ando en busca de una copia del Padrón de Tepatitlán en 1689 de Haciendas, Ranchos y Labores. El libro de José Luis Vásquez Rodrígruez, Genealogía de Nochistlán , lo menciona.

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Published by R.A.Ricci (no verificado) – Mié, 2010-07-14 07:50 | Enlace permanente

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A mi tambien me interesa este documento.
Gracias Ricardo
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Ando en busca de una copia del Padrón de Tepatitlán en 1689 de Haciendas, Ranchos y Labores. El libro de José Luis Vásquez Rodrígruez, Genealogía de Nochistlán , lo menciona. Será posible que haya un rollo con los Mormones. Si es asi me podrian dar el numbero.

Gracias.

Sergio Gutierrez

Please help me understand IGI process

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I am pretty unfamiliar with the IGI process. I have searched the films and have gotten a lot of information.

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With the IGI information you will be able to order films. There, in the FHC (Family History Center), they will give you a form to fill up and the time for it to arrive, then you will be able to view it in the same FHC, good luck.

Regards, Leticia Leon

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Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Please help me understand IGI process

I am pretty unfamiliar with the IGI process. I have searched the films and have gotten a lot of information. My question is do I need to write to the churches to get copies of the original or if I go to a library with the IGI information will I be able to order films that have a copy of the original documents or will the library have more information available?

Thanks in advance for an explanation.

Sagrada Mitra

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Alguien sabe donde puedo comprar el ibro La Sagrada Mita por Luz Montejano Hilton?
Aun escuche que habia una persona en el group que sepa alguien en el DF quien lo
vende?

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Published by R.A.Ricci (no verificado) – Mié, 2010-07-14 07:50 | Enlace permanente

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Maybe if you contact her directly you can get the book. I have spent many hours studying this book and find it to be a fantastic resource.
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Alguien sabe donde puedo comprar el ibro La Sagrada Mita por Luz Montejano Hilton?
Aun escuche que habia una persona en el group que sepa alguien en el DF quien lo
vende?

Does anyone know where I can by La Sagrada Mitra by Luz Montejano Hilton?
Last time I heard that someone in the group knows a place where they can buy
in Mexico City.

Daniel M

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I have talked to her many times and am in personal communication but its odd she hasnt replied to any of my ssages?
Daniel

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> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 01:02:55 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sagrada Mitra
>
> Maybe if you contact her directly you can get the book. I have spent many hours studying this book and find it to be a fantastic resource.
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>
> Alguien sabe donde puedo comprar el ibro La Sagrada Mita por Luz Montejano Hilton?
> Aun escuche que habia una persona en el group que sepa alguien en el DF quien lo
> vende?
>
> Does anyone know where I can by La Sagrada Mitra by Luz Montejano Hilton?
> Last time I heard that someone in the group knows a place where they can buy
> in Mexico City.
>
> Daniel M

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I sent her an email last week thanking her for her book and asking for advice on finding a book that has some info. On some romo ancestors.
She has not responded to my email either.
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From: Daniel Mendez de Camino
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:44:45
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sagrada Mitra

I have talked to her many times and am in personal communication but its odd she hasnt replied to any of my ssages?
Daniel

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> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 01:02:55 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sagrada Mitra
>
> Maybe if you contact her directly you can get the book. I have spent many hours studying this book and find it to be a fantastic resource.
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> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> ReplyTo: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sagrada Mitra
> Sent: Jun 12, 2010 5:18 PM
>
> Alguien sabe donde puedo comprar el ibro La Sagrada Mita por Luz Montejano Hilton?
> Aun escuche que habia una persona en el group que sepa alguien en el DF quien lo
> vende?
>
> Does anyone know where I can by La Sagrada Mitra by Luz Montejano Hilton?
> Last time I heard that someone in the group knows a place where they can buy
> in Mexico City.
>
> Daniel M

Cortez Alvarado

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Can anyone advice me of a good software to use to creat my family tree?

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Hi Maria:

I have used "Legacy" for many years and found it very easy to use and very
practical. I 've heard people refer to it as the Cadillac of family trees
software. The best part of it is that it is FREE. Just go to Legacy.com
and download it from there. They have a more sophisticated version but
there is a charge for it.

When I first started doing my family search I used the Mormon's Church
software, but after using Legacy I never looked back and be using it ever
since.

Try it, I think you'll like it.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

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Hello Mr. Gonzalez:

I new to "Nuestros Ranchos" and have been getting Maria Cortes link. I
don't know how this happened. I don't know how to navigate in the website
that well yet. My father's last name was Gomez Gonzalez. My maiden name
was Mercedes Gomez Villalobos. I posted my introduction a few days ago. My
paternal grandmother was Joaquina Gonzalez born around 1874 in Encarnacion
de Diaz. She married my grandfather Francisco Gomez Martinez. . I don't
have too much on my father's side, but a have found a lot on my mother's
Villalobos Aguilera side. The surnames I've researched are: Gomez
Martinez, Gomez Gonzalez, Gonzalez Jimenez, Diaz, Quesada, Lopez, Ocegueda,
and the list keeps getting longer. The places are Teocaltiche, Canadas,
Encarnacion de Dias, Guanajuato, Irapuato, Sacatecas. I've gone back to
1668 on my mother's side, but am kind of lost on my father's side.

If you have any links to the Gonzalez Jimenez or Gomez Gonzalez, please let
me know. Thanks and I was looking for a program to do my genealogy chart,
so THANK YOU SO MUCH for the time on the program you use. Since I'm a
beginner, I really appreciate it.
Thanks,
Sincerely,
Mercedes Gomez Villalobos

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From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:55 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cortez Alvarado

> For: Maria Cortes
>
> Hi Maria:
>
> I have used "Legacy" for many years and found it very easy to use and very
> practical. I 've heard people refer to it as the Cadillac of family trees
> software. The best part of it is that it is FREE. Just go to Legacy.com
> and download it from there. They have a more sophisticated version but
> there is a charge for it.
>
> When I first started doing my family search I used the Mormon's Church
> software, but after using Legacy I never looked back and be using it ever
> since.
>
> Try it, I think you'll like it.
>
>
> John Gonzalez
> Wildomar, CA.
>
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Mercedes Gomez Villalobos.

Hola Mercedes:

My Gonzalez ancestry is mostly from the Jalostotitlán, Jalisco area which
includes, Santa Ana, San Juan de Los Lagos, Teocaltiche, and Lagos de
Moreno. I have yet to find any Gonzalez de Hermosillo, outside this areas,
that are from my paternal side of the family. Originally the name was
Gonzalez de Hermosillo but it was shortened to just Gonzalez. There are a
number of Gonzalez lines, starting with Gonzalez, Gonzalez de Hermosillo,
Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba, Gonzalez de Laris, Gonzalez del Castillo,
Gonzalez-Rubio, and Gonzalez de San Roman. There are quite a few Gonzalez's
out there.

My wife is from Teocaltiche and her father's Martinez line came from Cañadas
de Obregon. I started researching his line and found out that the Martinez
were Martin, which had evolved from Martin del Campo.

It looks like you have accomplished quite a bit already. I suggest that you
concentrate on one line at a time, follow it until you hit a brickwall, then
start on the next line. If you try to follow all your lines at once you
might overwhelmed, lost, and confused. This strategy has worked for me and
it might work for you too. You might want to start with your father's
paternal line, followed by his maternal line.

Good luck.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cortez Alvarado

Hello Mr. Gonzalez:

I new to "Nuestros Ranchos" and have been getting Maria Cortes link. I
don't know how this happened. I don't know how to navigate in the website
that well yet...

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Thank you John.
It's interesting you mention the Gonzalez Hermosillo name. You know on my
mother's side I have a 5th grade grandmother named Maria Gonzalez Hermosillo
(early 1700's)married to Bartholome Villalobos d.1769 (he was the son of my
4th grade grandfather, Fernando Villalobos ) . But like you said there's
quite a few Gonzalez out there. Anyway, thanks for your tips on how to
research. It's a great idea and I will incorporate it into my process.
Many thanks again,
MGV-Temecula
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From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 10:06 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cortez Alvarado

> For:
>
> Mercedes Gomez Villalobos.
>
> Hola Mercedes:
>
> My Gonzalez ancestry is mostly from the Jalostotitlán, Jalisco area which
> includes, Santa Ana, San Juan de Los Lagos, Teocaltiche, and Lagos de
> Moreno. I have yet to find any Gonzalez de Hermosillo, outside this areas,
> that are from my paternal side of the family. Originally the name was
> Gonzalez de Hermosillo but it was shortened to just Gonzalez. There are a
> number of Gonzalez lines, starting with Gonzalez, Gonzalez de Hermosillo,
> Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba, Gonzalez de Laris, Gonzalez del Castillo,
> Gonzalez-Rubio, and Gonzalez de San Roman. There are quite a few
> Gonzalez's out there.
>
> My wife is from Teocaltiche and her father's Martinez line came from
> Cañadas de Obregon. I started researching his line and found out that the
> Martinez were Martin, which had evolved from Martin del Campo.
>
> It looks like you have accomplished quite a bit already. I suggest that
> you concentrate on one line at a time, follow it until you hit a
> brickwall, then start on the next line. If you try to follow all your
> lines at once you might overwhelmed, lost, and confused. This strategy
> has worked for me and it might work for you too. You might want to start
> with your father's paternal line, followed by his maternal line.
>
> Good luck.
>
> John Gonzalez
> Wildomar, CA.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dougnmerci"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 08:50
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cortez Alvarado
>
>
> Hello Mr. Gonzalez:
>
> I new to "Nuestros Ranchos" and have been getting Maria Cortes link. I
> don't know how this happened. I don't know how to navigate in the
> website
> that well yet...
>
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Is your family from the Santa Ana of Santo Toribio? My grandfather is a 3rd cousin twice Through the gonzalez with more relationships through the jimenez and Romo.
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-----Original Message-----
From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:06:51
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cortez Alvarado

For:

Mercedes Gomez Villalobos.

Hola Mercedes:

My Gonzalez ancestry is mostly from the Jalostotitlán, Jalisco area which
includes, Santa Ana, San Juan de Los Lagos, Teocaltiche, and Lagos de
Moreno. I have yet to find any Gonzalez de Hermosillo, outside this areas,
that are from my paternal side of the family. Originally the name was
Gonzalez de Hermosillo but it was shortened to just Gonzalez. There are a
number of Gonzalez lines, starting with Gonzalez, Gonzalez de Hermosillo,
Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba, Gonzalez de Laris, Gonzalez del Castillo,
Gonzalez-Rubio, and Gonzalez de San Roman. There are quite a few Gonzalez's
out there.

My wife is from Teocaltiche and her father's Martinez line came from Cañadas
de Obregon. I started researching his line and found out that the Martinez
were Martin, which had evolved from Martin del Campo.

It looks like you have accomplished quite a bit already. I suggest that you
concentrate on one line at a time, follow it until you hit a brickwall, then
start on the next line. If you try to follow all your lines at once you
might overwhelmed, lost, and confused. This strategy has worked for me and
it might work for you too. You might want to start with your father's
paternal line, followed by his maternal line.

Good luck.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

----- Original Message -----
From: "dougnmerci"
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 08:50
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cortez Alvarado

Hello Mr. Gonzalez:

I new to "Nuestros Ranchos" and have been getting Maria Cortes link. I
don't know how this happened. I don't know how to navigate in the website
that well yet...

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Hi Rick:

Yes, my grandfather was from El Cuadrado, just South of Jalos, my
ggrandfather was from Los Portales, just about 2 miles South of Jalos. My
next 3 grandfathers were from Santa Ana and the rest of them were from
Jalos. I am Santo Toribio's third cousin, once removed.

I believe you are from the L.A. area, we should get together to compare
notes...

John Gonzalez.
Wildomar, CA.

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To:
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:28
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gonzalez from Santa Ana

Is your family from the Santa Ana of Santo Toribio? My grandfather is a 3rd
cousin twice Through the gonzalez with more relationships through the
jimenez and Romo.
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Yes, I live in mar vista which is west los angeles. I would like to get together. Is Widomar far from LA? Do you have Romo and jimenez?
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-----Original Message-----
From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:23:22
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gonzalez from Santa Ana

Hi Rick:

Yes, my grandfather was from El Cuadrado, just South of Jalos, my
ggrandfather was from Los Portales, just about 2 miles South of Jalos. My
next 3 grandfathers were from Santa Ana and the rest of them were from
Jalos. I am Santo Toribio's third cousin, once removed.

I believe you are from the L.A. area, we should get together to compare
notes...

John Gonzalez.
Wildomar, CA.

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:28
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gonzalez from Santa Ana

Is your family from the Santa Ana of Santo Toribio? My grandfather is a 3rd
cousin twice Through the gonzalez with more relationships through the
jimenez and Romo.
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I have a Gabriel Romo married to Francisca Candelas on 17 Nov 1880 in
Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.

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Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 4:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gonzalez from Santa Ana

Yes, I live in mar vista which is west los angeles. I would like to get
together. Is Widomar far from LA? Do you have Romo and jimenez?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:23:22
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gonzalez from Santa Ana

Hi Rick:

Yes, my grandfather was from El Cuadrado, just South of Jalos, my
ggrandfather was from Los Portales, just about 2 miles South of Jalos. My
next 3 grandfathers were from Santa Ana and the rest of them were from
Jalos. I am Santo Toribio's third cousin, once removed.

I believe you are from the L.A. area, we should get together to compare
notes...

John Gonzalez.
Wildomar, CA.

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:28
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gonzalez from Santa Ana

Is your family from the Santa Ana of Santo Toribio? My grandfather is a 3rd

cousin twice Through the gonzalez with more relationships through the
jimenez and Romo.
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Good morning, Maria,

There are several computer software programs on the market for collecting,
formatting, and generating reports pertaining to family history. The one
that I use is Family Tree Maker. I have used it for 3 years; and have been
satisfied. Also, I have an Ancestry.com subscription that interfaces with
FTM. I hope this helps you in your buying decision. Good luck.

Best wishes,

Paul Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, CA

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[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
maria.cortes@trin.net
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 6:49 AM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cortez Alvarado

Can anyone advice me of a good software to use to creat my family tree?

location of San Felipe in Aguascalientes

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Based on research, I notice western Guanajuato has a hugepopulation who are related to the altenos of Jalisco, rapidimmigration and intermarriage like families of and of the Paredesfamilies, Romero de Chavez, etc married in to Jalisco andAguascalientes even to Michoacan. Southern half of Zacatecas includingPinos ti the east,all of Aguascalientes North and southern easternJalisco and western Michoacan and western Guanajuato have sameimmigration patterns, altenos went to all these places and they soonbecame the majority by intermarrying the local "elite". Ive alwayswondered whether the altenos knew or planned the wholerelations stuff when they were marrying their kids off to the pointwhere people in 4 states can be so closely related. I have many linesgoing back to Guanajuato, specifically San Felipe.
Daniel

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: longsjourney@yahoo.com
> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 05:28:50 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] location of San Felipe in Aguascalientes
>
>
> I don't know what parrish to look for in the pilot program to see the actual film for the marriage or marriage information for my ancestors Xacinto Lopez and Ursula Agustina Losano married 21 Feb 1734 in San Felipe
> the pilot program gives the film #0644410 and batch #M620929 but is this El Sagrario? I can't find San Felipe in the pilot program.
>
> Linda in Marietta

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I just noticed my error.. San Felipe is in Guanajuato, not Aguascalientes..
sorry I didn't pay more attention!
Linda in Marietta

El Puesto de San Miguel DE LOS ALBA

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While I was in Mexico several years ago I looked desperately this place. Anyone familiar with the area know that there are several "San Miguels" in the "nuestros ranchos" area. I went to all of them. Or at least I thought I did.

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Thank you for your information Miguel. I know where San Miguel is but I was hoping to hear from someone who was doing genealogy research in that area with information about San Miguel and it's original inhabitants.

On another note, I noticed your surname was BELTRAN. Have you done research on your surname? I have BELTRAN in my family tree.

Thanks again,
Luis

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Luis:

Se me facilita mas el español. Ojalà no tengas problemas

De cuales Beltran tienes? de los registrados como españoles( Beltran de la Cueva) o de los registrados indistintamente como "mulatos" "indios" y "coyotes".

Yo soy de los descendientes de indios o mulatos

Por cierto mi abuela era Ochoa Jaime. (Somos primos)

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Miguel, de que zona es tu familia Beltran? Yo tengo a esta familia en mi genealogia del area de Cocula y Zacoalco, Jal. Tengo algo de datos de esta familia en esta zona.

LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA

Ser de Luz!!!

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: migueltran@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:22:09 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Primo Luis Xayme
>
> Luis:
>
> Se me facilita mas el español. Ojalà no tengas problemas
>
> De cuales Beltran tienes? de los registrados como españoles( Beltran de la Cueva) o de los registrados indistintamente como "mulatos" "indios" y "coyotes".
>
> Yo soy de los descendientes de indios o mulatos
>
> Por cierto mi abuela era Ochoa Jaime. (Somos primos)
>
>
>

Romos in Jalisco

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Well... first of all I want to welcome some new member that have express ther interest in the Romo line, like Ricci and also join some others with the same interest like Daniel Mendez and Luis Jaime..but of course anybody who wants to join the line research is welcome as well..!!!

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En mi posesion tengo la acta matrimonial de estos dos, lo recibi hace un mes, te lo envie por email
pero nunca recibi una respuesta? Pues aqui esta que tengo:

"En la parroquia de la Encarnacion en 24 de septiembre 1856 contrajeron
matrimonio Don Juan Nepmuceno Romo, originario y vecino de esta
jurrisdiccion en la Torje hijo lexitimo de Don Antonio Romo y de Dona Ana
de Ornelas difuntos y Dona Ramona Jimenez, originaria y vecina de esta Villa,
hija lextima de Don Maximo Jimenez difunto y de Dona Maria Salome Martin
que vive...Sus padrinos: Don Doroteo Jimenez y Dona Maria N. los Testigos:
Don Mariano y D. Juan de Cuellar."

[Firma de Pedro Rodriguez]

Daniel Mendez de Camino

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Que bueno que te ayudo, toma como unas 3 semanas para las solicitudes a llegarde Salt Lake. No tuve exito remotar tu linea mas se termino con los padres quienesestan citados. Si encuentre bastante hijos de ambas familias tus Romos y Jimenez.Seria bueno para ordenar los partidos de los bautismos de ellos para encuentrar losabuelos. Te seguro que ya los tengo los abuelos (tengo un archivo bastante grandeque incluye mas de 40,000 docuemtos altenos pero necesitamos conectar tu linea mas pronto posible.
Daniel
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> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: migueltran@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:09:47 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romos in Jalisco
>
> Algo sucedio con ese envio, pues no fue recibido. Pero aqui publicado es mejor pues puede ser de utilidad a otras personas.
>
> Te lo agradezco mucho.
>
> Miguel Beltran

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En mi posesion tengo la acta matrimonial de estos dos, lo recibi hace un mes, te lo envie por emailpero nunca recibi una respuesta? Pues aqui esta que tengo:
"En la parroquia de la Encarnacion en 24 de septiembre 1856 contrajeronmatrimonio Don Juan Nepmuceno Romo, originario y vecino de estajurrisdiccion en la Torje hijo lexitimo de Don Antonio Romo y de Dona Ana de Ornelas difuntos y Dona Ramona Jimenez, originaria y vecina de esta Villa, hija lextima de Don Maximo Jimenez difunto y de Dona Maria Salome Martin que vive...Sus padrinos: Don Doroteo Jimenez y Dona Maria N. los Testigos:Don Mariano y D. Juan de Cuellar."
[Firma de Pedro Rodriguez]
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> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: migueltran@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 05:37:23 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romos in Jalisco
>
> Daniel:
>
> ¿Puedes compartir por favor, quienes son los padres de Ramona Jimenez y de Juan Nepomuceno Romo?
>
> Miguel Beltran

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Hi Luís,

Dont worry I didnt learn English until the 3rd-4th grade! I love Spanish way more then English though. Anyway Have you tried ordering the baptisms for Rafael Romo's kids they should include the grandparents at least the ones 1800-present. To be safe look at the youngest child usually the more present the better with grandparents wise (not always the case but majority). -Daniel

11. Maria Serapia Romo - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Female Christening: 18 NOV 1809 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico

12. REFUGIA PANFILA ROMO CRUZ - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Female Christening: 11 JUN 1815 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico

13. RUMUALDO ROMO CRUZ - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Male Christening: 11 FEB 1819 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico

14. Maria Juliana Romo - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Female Christening: 14 JAN 1804 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico

17. Leonido ROMO SANTA CRUZ - Vital Records Index / MEGender: M Birth/Christening: 15 Aug 1812 Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico

Mexico

12. MARIA MIQUELA ROMO CRUZ - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Female Christening: 04 OCT 1801 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico

13. Maria Antonia Romo - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Female Christening: 20 MAR 1806 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco

Same thing with you Pedroza line have you ordered these children for Feliciano and Jesús de Alba:

1. Jose Encarnacion Pedroza - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Male Christening: 26 MAR 1808 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico

2. Jose Refino Pedroza - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Male Christening: 14 SEP 1806 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico
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Thanks for your help! I was able to make connections with all of the names you gave me except for

12. REFUGIA PANFILA ROMO CRUZ - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Female Christening: 11 JUN 1815 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico

13. RUMUALDO ROMO CRUZ - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Male Christening: 11 FEB 1819 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico

Other than that I was able to plug some big gaps in my tree. Does anyone out there have a ROMO, PEDROZA, and or ALBA tree? I think that surely I have enough to connect with someone by now?? Those three surnames weave in and out of my tree throughout various generations.

Also, has anyone here been able to connect with Santo Toribio ROMO?

Thanks again!

Luis

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I may have some information. I have not yet posted everything on here. My mother's family are the Romo's of Encarnacion and so far have gone back to 1810 & found that I'm still able to go back further but had to stop due to a death in my family. I saw a connection to a Toribio Romo in our family tree. Also, it has been told in our family, that this relative of ours was a Saint with their own shrine located near Encarnacion; I need to go through my files in storage & will post back...This may take awhile so bear with me!

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Thanks Daniel for the info...... I already saw that film and I think I forgot to mention that My GGGfather Juan Nepomuceno Romo according to my late Grandpa, He was born abt 1835-1840 the register you saw does not match with him,, I found several Juan Nepomuceno that might actually be him but the problem is exactly that,, I have no films or marriage records to confirm that........it is just frustrating !!!!

I hope there is another record that I could find I am going to have to order the whole period to the LSD and check on the simplified marriage records if I find something ....but thanks again Daniel.

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Wait? If you have the marriage record you know the names of Juan right? I found these Juan's. -Daniel Camino

JUAN NEPOMO. ROMO
Pedigree

Male

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

02 JUN 1815
La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico

Death:

Burial:

Messages:

Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

C602697
1814 - 1826
1155174
Film
NONE

IGI Individual Record
FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0

Mexico

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JUAN NEPOMUSENO ROMO ROMERO
Pedigree

Male

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

19 MAY 1840
La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico

Death:

Burial:

Parents:

Father:
ESTEBAN ROMO
Family

Mother:
MARGARITA ROMERO

Messages:

Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

J607001
1836 - 1844
1155177
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00

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Mexico

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JUAN NEPOMO. ROMO ALEMAN
Pedigree

Male

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

23 MAY 1845
La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico

Death:

Burial:

Parents:

Father:
LAUREANO ROMO
Family

Mother:
FAUSTINA ALEMAN

Messages:

Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

C607002
1844 - 1851
1155178
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00

Sheet:

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www.Ancestry.com

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Is there a Mexican Ancestry.com?

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There used to be one....The address was
www.ancestros.com. I have tried to access it recently
with no luck. I now reach a webpage with a number of
links related to ancestry-but not specifically Mexican
genealogy. I'm guessing they either changed the link,
or discontinued it altogether.

-Esther

--- mormonboy74 wrote:

>
> Is there a Mexican Ancestry.com?

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I get the feeling that a membership to ancestry.com is valuable if your ancestry is from the US.  I'm first generation US born, so if that is true, it's of no consequence to me.  Also, I never hear anyone from the nuestros ranchos group reference it.  My research has led me to Spain on several lines.  Does anyone know if it is worthwhile for Spanish research?   Thank you for your help.    Alice
 

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Ancestry.Com is not free and all info and data was obtained from researchers like me and my Esparza relatives. It should be free to us who gave them their data....

USE Rootsweb.com, this web site has the same info and data, and it is free!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alice Blake"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 4:19 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] ancestry.com

I get the feeling that a membership to ancestry.com is valuable if your ancestry is from the US. I'm first generation US born, so if that is true, it's of no consequence to me. Also, I never hear anyone from the nuestros ranchos group reference it. My research has led me to Spain on several lines. Does anyone know if it is worthwhile for Spanish research? Thank you for your help. Alice

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Yes and no. There is some user-submitted stuff, but there are also primary documents like census, draft registration, border crossing, and so on that you won't get at Rootsweb. Mostly it's not too useful for Mexican research, but great for US and Canadian. They have about 35 collections in their card catalog for Spain, but it looks like mostly historically important events and nobility.
-Patti

________________________________
From: phyls esparza
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 7:38:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ancestry.com--reply to Alice Blake

Ancestry.Com is not free and all info and data was obtained from researchers like me and my Esparza relatives. It should be free to us who gave them their data....

USE Rootsweb.com, this web site has the same info and data, and it is free!

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Hi Patti,

Thanks for your reply. For the information of those doing genealogy research on a budget--Social Security records are available on line for free, and one can easily access this web site from Rootsweb.com

Rootsweb has hundreds of FREE databases and info in their webpage's......And free Border Crossings data is also available online as well as within the LDS website. Also all libraries in the United States have access to Census information - in TX the program is accessible through TexShare, a free program for the US Census data from the beginning to 1930.

I will be forever grateful to RootsWeb for the data on the Ruiz de Esparza, the Romos de Vivar and the Munoz de Nava, etc etc family trees that have provided me with endless answers to my family and the missing links. There is a lot of data on the Family Tree Section of Rootsweb concerning families from Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México and the Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, México areas.

Search Engines and Databases
RootsWeb Surname List/RSL (Surname Listings)
MetaSearch (Multiple Databases and Files)
Social Security Death Index (Deaths)
U. S. Town/County Database (Locations)
WorldConnect Project (Family Trees)
Index of All Search Engines and Databases

Phyls

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patti Wyble"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ancestry.com--reply to Alice Blake

> Yes and no. There is some user-submitted stuff, but there are also primary documents like census, draft registration, border crossing, and so on that you won't get at Rootsweb. Mostly it's not too useful for Mexican research, but great for US and Canadian. They have about 35 collections in their card catalog for Spain, but it looks like mostly historically important events and nobility.
> -Patti
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: phyls esparza
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 7:38:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ancestry.com--reply to Alice Blake
>
> Ancestry.Com is not free and all info and data was obtained from researchers like me and my Esparza relatives. It should be free to us who gave them their data....
>
> USE Rootsweb.com, this web site has the same info and data, and it is free!
>
>
>
>

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Ancestry.com does have some free information - they own Rootsweb.com. =)

That said, I agree with Patti in that there is value in it. The border crossing records and census data have proved invaluable to me. I recently connected with relatives who share my lineage but whose branches of the family had been "lost" to us. We didn't even know that their ancestor...my grand uncle, had crossed into the US. Now I have them all plotted and discover new branches regularly. If you have had no ancestors cross before you, Alice it probably would be a waste of your time to pay for Ancestry.com. You might also want to know that the LDS Family History Center I use has subscription membership and allow people to use it for research free of charge. For your consideration.

Annette

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My parents were the first (on dad's side) to immigrate, while my mother's family never did.  I am the first of my family born in the US, so I think that beyond my family's border crossing (which I did find), I have no need for US research.  I was hoping that some group members had success stories to report with ancestry.com in dealing with Spanish research.  So far, I haven't heard members report on much success with Spain as we have in researching Mexico thanks to familysearch.  I sincerely hope this doesn't bring my family research to an end on those family lines.    
I will definitely explore rootsweb.com and see what it has to offer.  I am simply hesistant to pay the $200+ for something that might not have that much to offer me personally.  While the information I've acquired through Familysearch and the low charge for microfilm lending has proven itself priceless, I would gladly pay the subscription price if it afforded that much knowledge of Spain.  Again, thanks so much.   Alice      

-- On Tue, 7/6/10, bbbunny@aol.com wrote:

From: bbbunny@aol.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] ancestry.com--reply to Alice Blake
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 10:32 PM

Ancestry.com does have some free information - they own Rootsweb.com.  =) 

That said, I agree with Patti in that there is value in it.  The border crossing records and census data have proved invaluable to me.  I recently connected with relatives who share my lineage but whose branches of the family had been "lost" to us.  We didn't even know that their ancestor...my grand uncle, had crossed into the US.  Now I have them all plotted and discover new branches regularly.  If you have had no ancestors cross before you, Alice it probably would be a waste of your time to pay for Ancestry.com.  You might also want to know that the LDS Family History Center I use has subscription membership and allow people to use it for research free of charge.  For your consideration.

Annette

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You can you use ancestry.com for free at a family history library.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Alice Blake
Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 18:05:55
To:
Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ancestry.com--reply to Alice Blake

My parents were the first (on dad's side) to immigrate, while my mother's family never did.  I am the first of my family born in the US, so I think that beyond my family's border crossing (which I did find), I have no need for US research.  I was hoping that some group members had success stories to report with ancestry.com in dealing with Spanish research.  So far, I haven't heard members report on much success with Spain as we have in researching Mexico thanks to familysearch.  I sincerely hope this doesn't bring my family research to an end on those family lines.    
I will definitely explore rootsweb.com and see what it has to offer.  I am simply hesistant to pay the $200+ for something that might not have that much to offer me personally.  While the information I've acquired through Familysearch and the low charge for microfilm lending has proven itself priceless, I would gladly pay the subscription price if it afforded that much knowledge of Spain.  Again, thanks so much.   Alice      

-- On Tue, 7/6/10, bbbunny@aol.com wrote:

From: bbbunny@aol.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] ancestry.com--reply to Alice Blake
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 10:32 PM

Ancestry.com does have some free information - they own Rootsweb.com.  =) 

That said, I agree with Patti in that there is value in it.  The border crossing records and census data have proved invaluable to me.  I recently connected with relatives who share my lineage but whose branches of the family had been "lost" to us.  We didn't even know that their ancestor...my grand uncle, had crossed into the US.  Now I have them all plotted and discover new branches regularly.  If you have had no ancestors cross before you, Alice it probably would be a waste of your time to pay for Ancestry.com.  You might also want to know that the LDS Family History Center I use has subscription membership and allow people to use it for research free of charge.  For your consideration.

Annette

Comentario

I found the border crossings there, but the FHC no longer subscribes.

--- On Wed, 7/7/10, mygenes2000@yahoo.com wrote:

From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ancestry.com--reply to Alice Blake
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 1:49 AM

You can you use ancestry.com for free at a family history library.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Alice Blake
Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 18:05:55
To:
Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ancestry.com--reply to Alice Blake

My parents were the first (on dad's side) to immigrate, while my mother's family never did.  I am the first of my family born in the US, so I think that beyond my family's border crossing (which I did find), I have no need for US research.  I was hoping that some group members had success stories to report with ancestry.com in dealing with Spanish research.  So far, I haven't heard members report on much success with Spain as we have in researching Mexico thanks to familysearch.  I sincerely hope this doesn't bring my family research to an end on those family lines.    
I will definitely explore rootsweb.com and see what it has to offer.  I am simply hesistant to pay the $200+ for something that might not have that much to offer me personally.  While the information I've acquired through Familysearch and the low charge for microfilm lending has proven itself priceless, I would gladly pay the subscription price if it afforded that much knowledge of Spain.  Again, thanks so much.   Alice      

-- On Tue, 7/6/10, bbbunny@aol.com wrote:

From: bbbunny@aol.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] ancestry.com--reply to Alice Blake
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 10:32 PM

Ancestry.com does have some free information - they own Rootsweb.com.  =) 

That said, I agree with Patti in that there is value in it.  The border crossing records and census data have proved invaluable to me.  I recently connected with relatives who share my lineage but whose branches of the family had been "lost" to us.  We didn't even know that their ancestor...my grand uncle, had crossed into the US.  Now I have them all plotted and discover new branches regularly.  If you have had no ancestors cross before you, Alice it probably would be a waste of your time to pay for Ancestry.com.  You might also want to know that the LDS Family History Center I use has subscription membership and allow people to use it for research free of charge.  For your consideration.

Annette

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I have an old family photo sent to my grandmother who has since died. The photo has a male adult and four children. The back reads: "Miami, Arizona Abril 2 de 1928 Sr. Josemaria Gutierrez Mena Recuerdo de sus nietos y Nicanor su sobrino." I know these are persons related to us but cannot identify the persons. My grandmother had said they were cousins on her father's side. Our family is from the Gutierrez from Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

Thank you,
Eloise Reyes

Comentario

Do they have the Pellicer Collection?
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-----Original Message-----
From: Patti Wyble
Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 12:05:56
To:
Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ancestry.com--reply to Alice Blake

Yes and no. There is some user-submitted stuff, but there are also primary documents like census, draft registration, border crossing, and so on that you won't get at Rootsweb. Mostly it's not too useful for Mexican research, but great for US and Canadian. They have about 35 collections in their card catalog for Spain, but it looks like mostly historically important events and nobility.
-Patti

________________________________
From: phyls esparza
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 7:38:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ancestry.com--reply to Alice Blake

Ancestry.Com is not free and all info and data was obtained from researchers like me and my Esparza relatives. It should be free to us who gave them their data....

USE Rootsweb.com, this web site has the same info and data, and it is free!

Comentario

Please enlighten the novice--What's the Pellicer Collection?
Thanks,  ABB

--- On Wed, 7/7/10, mygenes2000@yahoo.com wrote:

From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ancestry.com--reply to Alice Blake
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 6:03 AM

Do they have the Pellicer Collection?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Patti Wyble
Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 12:05:56
To:
Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ancestry.com--reply to Alice Blake

Yes and no. There is some user-submitted stuff, but there are also primary documents like census, draft registration, border crossing, and so on that you won't get at Rootsweb. Mostly it's not too useful for Mexican research, but great for US and Canadian. They have about 35 collections in their card catalog for Spain, but it looks like mostly historically important events and nobility.
-Patti

________________________________
From: phyls esparza
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 7:38:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ancestry.com--reply to Alice Blake

Ancestry.Com is not free and all info and data was obtained from researchers like me and my Esparza relatives.  It should be free to us who gave them their data....

USE Rootsweb.com, this web site has the same info and data, and it is free!

     

Eva Longoria "La Cristiada Film"

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History, Culture and General Discussion

Somone told me that Eva Longoria is filming a movie about "La Cristiada"

http://www.collider.com/2010/06/02/andy-garcia-eva-longoria-parker-cris…

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You can follow the filming on their official website blog:

http://www.cristiadafilm.com/blog/

Andy Garcia...General Enrique Gorostieta Velarde
Eva Longoria Parker...Gorostieta's wife
Oscar Isaac...Victoriano Ramirez "El Catorce"
Santiago Cabrera...Father Jose Reyes Vega
Catalina Sandino Moreno...Adriana
Eduardo Verastegui...Anacleto Gonzalez Flores
Adrian Alonso...Lalo

Check out the rest of the cast and crew at:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1566501/

Calvillo, Ags. Rancho Arroyo de Soto. Norberto Serna b. about 1805 Decendants ??

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Genealogy Research

I am seeking his Relations and Decendants.

Descendants of Norberto Serna

Generation No. 1

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I took a quick look in Family Search, and there is the following:

Norberto de la Cerna married Maria Ramona Cerbantes, 25 Feb 1824 (not 1834!), San Jose, Calvillo, AGS Her parents are given as Jose Antonio Cerbantes and Maria Teodora Contreras. His parents are given as Gabriel de la Cerna and Catarina Frausto.

I found no children of Norberto de la Cerna up to 1855 baptized in Calvillo.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Roman's from Jerez, Zacatecas

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Genealogy Research

Hi,
I'm researching one of my blood lines from Jerez... the Roman side.

This is what I have so far

Juan Pedro Roman born abt 1864 died abt 1951
Daniel Roman baptized about 1893

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Hi Lety,

No problem. This is what I have.

To my knowledge, Jose D. Roman has been married at least twice that I know of.
One marriage was to Anita (Anna Maria) Acosta, which is my ancestor. I am not sure of the other just that they lived in Riverside County, CA. I am told he has a lot of children, both in and out of wedlock.
I know he had like 8 brothers and sisters and I think some are still in Jerez, Zacatecas.

I was told his parents were Daniel Roman and Maria Pinero.

In regards to Daniel Roman I was told the following:
Father: Juan Pedro Roman
Mother: Luisa Villegas

And he had 5 brothers and sisters.

I hope this his helpful!

Best,

Tania Garcia

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I saw.. is Juan Pablo Roman.. married the 25 oct 1882 with Luisa Villegas.. M606149 fim 245113 Santo domingo, zacatecas.. parents of Natalia 21 dec 1892

Jose manuel 07 feb 1895

Maria guadalupe 24 oct 1904

Calletano 01 oct 1885

Maria aurora 26 dec 1896 and other date for her or other Aurora 1 jul 1899

Ricardo 04 mar 1891

Arturo 05 sep 1887

I think Luisa Villegas is Luisa Villegas Rodriguez 19apr 1870 child of jesus Villegas and serapia rodriguez.. I will check that.. its only a soupicious?

>Tanya will try to continue in your tree found one Juan Pablo Roman in 1868 chid of Felis Roman and Brigida Escobar but we need se the marriage or the baptisms of the children...for see the films numbers.. go to http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#alivePlaceLoc1=Za… Lety R
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just in case you don't have it Jose Daniel Roman Villegas crist 23 jul 1883 son of juan Roman and Luisa Villegas film 439860 batch l018391 I don't Know if the batch is an I and L or 1...regards Lety

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sebastian de Luna y Josefa Lozano

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Les pido si saben el nombre de los padres de estos sebastian de Luna y Josefa Lozano dos ancestros mios se los agradecere mucho yo pienzo que son de jalisco y casados aproximadamente en 1700, ya que u

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No se los padres de Josepha de Lozano pero de Sebastian si los
se. Ellos eran Alvarez de Luna, pero cuando Sebastian caso su
segunda vez se quito Alvarez, no se porque. Pues aqui esta:
Sebastian Alvarez de Luna, espanol hijo lexitimo de Marcos Alvarez
Tostado y MAria de Luna. Marcos Alvarez Tostado hijo de Juan
Alvarez Viera y Beatriz Ruiz Tostado. Juan hijo de Capt.
Lorenzo Alvarez Agustina de Viera. BEatriz hija de Lorenzo Ruiz
Tostado y Elena Martinez. Volver a MAria de Luna, hija de Antonio
de Luna y Antonia de Tejeda, vecinos de Aguascalientes, todos
espanoles.

Daniel MEndez de Camino

Comentario

Hi there everyone ,

Is there anyone out there that knows if the last names Luna and de la Cruz were names that were made up soley in Mexico or did they also have those last names in Spain ?

Thanks,

Welester G. Alvarado

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Both were created in Spain must have been since conquistadors had those last names, plusLuna is of some noble background. Especially the spanish family of Los Altos, Alvarez de Luna.
Daniel

> From: hombrepi@hotmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 00:57:04 +0000
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apellidos Luna y de la Cruz
>
>
>
> Hi there everyone ,
>
>
>
> Is there anyone out there that knows if the last names Luna and de la Cruz were names that were made up soley in Mexico or did they also have those last names in Spain ?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Welester G. Alvarado
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Hi Daniel,

I was told that the name Lobo was a name given to the indians in Mexico and the de la Cruz started out as a sign of the cross in the baptismal books . The priest put a cross meaning that they were of the church .

By any chance , do you have any documents that prove otherwise ?

Thanx,

Welester

>
> Both were created in Spain must have been since conquistadors had those last names, plusLuna is of some noble background. Especially the spanish family of Los Altos, Alvarez de Luna.
> Daniel

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I have a brickwall with my wifes genealogy involving "de la Santa Cruz" sometimes shortened to de la cruz or just cruz. I am looking for the parents of Jose Eduardo De la Santa Cruz from San Juan de los Lagos
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From: Lester Alvarado
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 12:42:48
To: Bill Figueroa
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apellidos Luna y de la Cruz-Daniel

Hi Daniel,

I was told that the name Lobo was a name given to the indians in Mexico and the de la Cruz started out as a sign of the cross in the baptismal books . The priest put a cross meaning that they were of the church .

By any chance , do you have any documents that prove otherwise ?

Thanx,

Welester

>
> Both were created in Spain must have been since conquistadors had those last names, plusLuna is of some noble background. Especially the spanish family of Los Altos, Alvarez de Luna.
> Daniel

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SOunds like these are the Santa Cruz family from Aguascalientes, theyeventually married into the meseta. I have several lines of Santa Cruzalso shorted to de la Cruz or Santa Cruz. These guys producedthe Marin de Santa Cruz, and the de Santa Cruz y Orozco families ofLos Altos. There home seat was in Aguascalientes in the mid 1600s.
Daniel

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> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 05:20:21 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apellidos Luna y de la Cruz-Daniel
>
> I have a brickwall with my wifes genealogy involving "de la Santa Cruz" sometimes shortened to de la cruz or just cruz. I am looking for the parents of Jose Eduardo De la Santa Cruz from San Juan de los Lagos
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lester Alvarado
> Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 12:42:48
> To: Bill Figueroa
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apellidos Luna y de la Cruz-Daniel
>
>
>
>
> Hi Daniel,
>
>
>
> I was told that the name Lobo was a name given to the indians in Mexico and the de la Cruz started out as a sign of the cross in the baptismal books . The priest put a cross meaning that they were of the church .
>
>
>
> By any chance , do you have any documents that prove otherwise ?
>
>
>
> Thanx,
>
> Welester
>
>
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>> Both were created in Spain must have been since conquistadors had those last names, plusLuna is of some noble background. Especially the spanish family of Los Altos, Alvarez de Luna.
>> Daniel
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COuld you send me more info, wife's names, dates, places etc.Thanks, ill see what I can dig up.
Daniel

> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 05:20:21 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apellidos Luna y de la Cruz-Daniel
>
> I have a brickwall with my wifes genealogy involving "de la Santa Cruz" sometimes shortened to de la cruz or just cruz. I am looking for the parents of Jose Eduardo De la Santa Cruz from San Juan de los Lagos
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lester Alvarado
> Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 12:42:48
> To: Bill Figueroa
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apellidos Luna y de la Cruz-Daniel
>
>
>
>
> Hi Daniel,
>
>
>
> I was told that the name Lobo was a name given to the indians in Mexico and the de la Cruz started out as a sign of the cross in the baptismal books . The priest put a cross meaning that they were of the church .
>
>
>
> By any chance , do you have any documents that prove otherwise ?
>
>
>
> Thanx,
>
> Welester
>
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> >
>> Both were created in Spain must have been since conquistadors had those last names, plusLuna is of some noble background. Especially the spanish family of Los Altos, Alvarez de Luna.
>> Daniel
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Jose eduardo de la Santa CruS was married to Maria Antonia Enriquez de San Blas Castillo y Marquez. Jose eduardo was baptized 25Oct1767 in lagos de Moreno. I am know looking for his grandparents info. Paternal GP's are Phelipe de Sta cruz and Maria de la concepcion. His maternal GP's are Simon Torres and Joseppha AGuirre. Eduardo's parents are Santiago Sta Cruz and Maria Ventura de torres.
Thanks Daniel
PS Do you know anything about the Matute family in Spain in the late 1400's. the Romo's descend from this line of conversos.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Mendez de Camino
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:05:12
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apellidos Luna y de la Cruz-Daniel

COuld you send me more info, wife's names, dates, places etc.Thanks, ill see what I can dig up.
Daniel

> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 05:20:21 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apellidos Luna y de la Cruz-Daniel
>
> I have a brickwall with my wifes genealogy involving "de la Santa Cruz" sometimes shortened to de la cruz or just cruz. I am looking for the parents of Jose Eduardo De la Santa Cruz from San Juan de los Lagos
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lester Alvarado
> Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 12:42:48
> To: Bill Figueroa
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apellidos Luna y de la Cruz-Daniel
>
>
>
>
> Hi Daniel,
>
>
>
> I was told that the name Lobo was a name given to the indians in Mexico and the de la Cruz started out as a sign of the cross in the baptismal books . The priest put a cross meaning that they were of the church .
>
>
>
> By any chance , do you have any documents that prove otherwise ?
>
>
>
> Thanx,
>
> Welester
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
> >
>> Both were created in Spain must have been since conquistadors had those last names, plusLuna is of some noble background. Especially the spanish family of Los Altos, Alvarez de Luna.
>> Daniel
>
>
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Hi Daniel,
I don't know if this will be any help but this is in reference to the term "lobo". Lobo was the name given to the offspring of a negro & an indian.

Barbara
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Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apellido de la Cruz

Jose eduardo de la Santa CruS was married to Maria Antonia Enriquez de San Blas Castillo y Marquez. Jose eduardo was baptized 25Oct1767 in lagos de Moreno. I am know looking for his grandparents info. Paternal GP's are Phelipe de Sta cruz and Maria de la concepcion. His maternal GP's are Simon Torres and Joseppha AGuirre. Eduardo's parents are Santiago Sta Cruz and Maria Ventura de torres.
Thanks Daniel
PS Do you know anything about the Matute family in Spain in the late 1400's. the Romo's descend from this line of conversos.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Mendez de Camino >
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:05:12
To: Patty Hoyos>
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apellidos Luna y de la Cruz-Daniel

COuld you send me more info, wife's names, dates, places etc.Thanks, ill see what I can dig up.
Daniel

> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 05:20:21 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apellidos Luna y de la Cruz-Daniel
>
> I have a brickwall with my wifes genealogy involving "de la Santa Cruz" sometimes shortened to de la cruz or just cruz. I am looking for the parents of Jose Eduardo De la Santa Cruz from San Juan de los Lagos
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lester Alvarado >
> Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 12:42:48
> To: Bill Figueroa>
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apellidos Luna y de la Cruz-Daniel
>
>
>
>
> Hi Daniel,
>
>
>
> I was told that the name Lobo was a name given to the indians in Mexico and the de la Cruz started out as a sign of the cross in the baptismal books . The priest put a cross meaning that they were of the church .
>
>
>
> By any chance , do you have any documents that prove otherwise ?
>
>
>
> Thanx,
>
> Welester
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>> Both were created in Spain must have been since conquistadors had those last names, plusLuna is of some noble background. Especially the spanish family of Los Altos, Alvarez de Luna.
>> Daniel
>
>
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Cortez Alvarado

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I'm still looking for either a marriage record of Jose Refugio Cortez married to Alejandra Hernandez or.....a B-Certificate. Or

Diego Romo de Vivar ???

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Buscando en pares.mcu.es encontré un registro que tiene coincidencias de nombres y fechas, con relacion a Diego Romo de Vivar el que caso con Maria Rangel

DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO

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Am I wrong...?? Usually the early 1500's records are IGI and not always correct but "word of mouth" information.
Sandra Gómez Mendoza
San Antonio, TX

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Hi Bill, Jaime, and Sofia,

I still believe Temino and Trevino are the same surname. Diego and his family were listed in the cesus in Guadaljara as Temino. Listed that way in the "Fundadores de Nueva Galicia, Guadalajara Tomo I" by Garamendia Leal who did extractions from the archives. I also believe that Temino can also be used a location as in Lenor de Temino, Lenor from Temino.
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Esther A. Herold

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> Hi Esther, Sofia and Bill, i have followed with interest the exchange about Diego Temino de Velasco and relatives, particularly since mi maternal line (Nuevo Leon and Coahuila) descends directly from Diego Treviño and Beatriz Quintanilla. Based on the evidence presented so far, I am inclined to think that Diego Treviño (perhaps the same as the Diego Velazco de Treviño who travelled in 1538 with his mother Francisca Alcocer and brothers Alonso de Velazco and Baltazar Velazco -all listed as sons of Velazco Treviño) is NOT the son of the Alcalde Diego Temiño de Velasco married to another Francisca Alcocer -daughter of Hernando Bañuelos and Isabel Alcocer. This second Francisca is recorded as traveling along with her three maiden daughters in company of Lope Saavedra (aka Lopez de Sayavedra in
> the Inquisitional papers) with no mention of any sons. Further, I agree with Bill's interpretation that Temiño and Treviño are not the same surnames. In some document of Nuevo Leon however, Treviño y sometime
> spelled as Tremiño (m instead of v, but always with an r after T), although this
> usage eventually stopped.
> Finally, regarding the connection of Diego Temiño de Velasco to Don Bernardino
> Fernandez de Velasco, I can't find no convincing evidence to support it.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Jaime
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: eaherold@att.net
> > The earliest marriage film I see for Mexico City is 1575. That is not early
> > enough for us.
> > I would like to see Seville marriage records for Diego and Francisca Alcocer.
> > Anybody going to spain soon?
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> > Esther A. Herold
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> > > Hola Bill,
> > >
> > > There was no image. I just copied and pasted so you could see what was
> there.
> > >
> > > Sofia
> > > > From: bill_figueroa@usa.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Tue,
> 26
> > Aug 2008 19:47:16 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE
> > VELASCO> > Sofía,> > Did you try to download the actual document from the
> PARES
> > website? It > would be interesting to read the manuscript. It would also be
> > interesting > to read the original marriage record of Diego Treviño to
> Beatriz
> > de > Quintanilla in 1563. Do church records in Mexico City go that far back?>
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Esther, Sofía, Jaime, George et al

Last Friday I visited the Dallas Public Library in order to check out the book "Fundadores de Nueva Galicia, Guadalajara, Tomo I" by Guillermo Garmendia Leal. While looking for the Treviño connection, I found another book entitled "Origin of the Surnames Garza and Treviño in Nuevo León", by Tomás Mendirichaga Cueva. What they have is a translation the English language made by Edna G. Brown (Corpus Christi, Texas, 1989). I did not find this to be a good translation and will start looking for the original Spanish version. Notwithstanding, I discovered in that book that church records were indeed kept in Mexico City prior to 1575. Mr. Mendirichaga mentions the following three books:

1) Primer Libro de Bautismos de Españoles (Nov. 1536 - Oct. 1547)
2) Segundo Libro de Bautismos de Españoles (1552 - 1669)
3) Tercer Libro de Bautismos de Españoles (Ene. 1570 - Nov. 1589)

Some of the baptisms from the first book (Nov 1536 - Oct 1547) are as follows:

1) "Pedro, son of Juan de Salamanca and Doña Beatriz "his wife", was baptized February 1, 1543 and Pedro de Pacheco and Doña Ana de Timiño "were godparents". (Folio 113 verso)."

My comment: The godparents of Pedro de Salamanca were undoubtly Pedro Pacho Rodríguez (Conquistador) and Mariana Temiño de Bañuelos. I am beginning to think that the surname Pacho, used interchangeably with Pacheco, was an abbreviation taken at face value. For example, the surname Rodriguez appears in early records abbreviated as Rdz, but we don't call Juan Rodriguez "Juan Rdz". Just a thought. They were big on abbreviation in the 16th and 17th centuries. Anyway, I'm changing Pedro Pacho to Pedro Pacheco in my records.

2) "Mariana, daughter of Pedro de Pacheco and Doña Ana "his wife", baptized Wednesday, August 29, 1549. (Folio 124)."

My comment: This Mariana is the daughter of Pedro Pacheco Rodríguez and Mariana Temiño de Bañuelos. The "Diccionario Autobiografico de Conquistadores y Pobladores de Nueva España" sacado de los textos originales por Francisco A. de Icaza, lists the following information:

"554.- Pedro PACHO, muerto, dize:

En efecto, quez vezino desta ciudad y natural de la villa de Fregenal, e hijo legítimo de Pedro Pacho y de Beatriz rrodríguez, vezinos que fueron de Seuilla, y que ha treze años que pasó a esta Nueua Spaña, y a la contina después acá ha rresidido en ella, e tenydo armas e cauallos, e que ha seys años que se casó con Doña Ana de Velasco de Temyño, e que su magestad fue seruido mandar que a la persona que con ella se casase, se le hiziese merced en qualquier aprouechamyento de la tierra, y tiene tres hijas que la mayor ha çinco años, y que siruió en la pacificaçión de Jalisco con Vuestra Señoría Illustrísima, desde el prinçipio hasta el fin de todo, y sienpre se le ha hecho merced de corregimyentos."

3) "Fernando, son of Juan de Salamanca and "of doña beatriz his wife", was baptized April 7, 1545. (Folio 147 verso)."

4) "Bernardina, daughter of Pedro Pacheco and Doña Ana de Tremiño, was baptized August 26, 1545. (Folio 157 verso)."

5) "Juan, son of Juan de Salamanca and Doña Beatriz de Temiño, was baptized March 13, 1547. (Folio 157 verso)."

Also in the first book of baptisms appears one Treviño:

6) "Melchor, son of Miguel Treviño and Juana Cortés, baptized June of 1542 (Folio 100)."

In the second book appear the surnames Tremiños and Treviños:

7) "Lázaro, son of Pedro Fernández de Jerez and Catalina Treviño, baptized April 8, 1560 (Folio 123 verso)."

8) "Isabel, daughter of Diego de Tremiño and Beatriz de Quintanilla, baptized November 12, 1562. (Folio 169)."

9) "José, son of Diego Tremiño and Beatriz de Quintanilla, was baptized March 22, 1565. (Folio 218)."

And in the third book (Jan 1570 - Nov 1589), more Temiños, Tremiños and Treviños:

10) "Pedro, son of Juan Treviño, "Bookseller", and María Vanegas "his wife", was baptized November 1, 1574. (Folio 96)."

11) "Juana, daughter of Diego de Angulo and Doña Ana de Temiño, his wife, baptized July 5, 1575. (Folio 108 verso)."

12) "Luisa, daughter of Diego de Angulo and Doña Ana de Temiño, was baptized June 24, 1576. (Folio 124 verso)."

13) "Ana, daughter of Juan de Tremiño and María Vanegas, baptized January 6, 1577. (Folios 136 and 150)."

14) "Mariana (On the margin of the record it says María Ana), daughter of Diego de Angulo and Doña Ana Tremiño, baptized June 16, 1577. (Folio 140)."

Apparently, some assumptions, right or wrong, were made based on these early records and the passenger lists at the Archivo General de Indias in Seville. It seems to me that the surname Treviño was often misspelled Tremiño, as is the case in 10) and 13) above. I have not checked the LDS index to see if these early books were microfilmed. I would like to see them. Does anyone in the group have done any research on this?

Bill Figueroa

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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO

Hi Bill, Jaime, and Sofia,

I still believe Temino and Trevino are the same surname. Diego and his family were listed in the cesus in Guadalajara as Temino. Listed that way in the "Fundadores de Nueva Galicia, Guadalajara Tomo I" by Garmendia Leal who did extractions from the archives. I also believe that Temino can also be used a location as in Lenor de Temino, Lenor from Temino.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from alvaradj@comcast.net: --------------

Hi Esther, Sofia and Bill,

I have followed with interest the exchange about Diego Temino de Velasco and relatives, particularly since mi maternal line (Nuevo Leon and Coahuila) descends directly from Diego Treviño and Beatriz Quintanilla. Based on the evidence presented so far, I am inclined to think that Diego Treviño (perhaps the same as the Diego Velazco de Treviño who travelled in 1538 with his mother Francisca Alcocer and brothers Alonso de Velazco and Baltazar Velazco -all listed as sons of Velazco Treviño) is NOT the son of the Alcalde Diego Temiño de Velasco married to another Francisca Alcocer -daughter of Hernando Bañuelos and Isabel Alcocer. This second Francisca is recorded as traveling along with her three maiden daughters in company of Lope Saavedra (aka Lopez de Sayavedra in the Inquisitional
papers) with no mention of any sons. Further, I agree with Bill's interpretation that Temiño and Treviño are not the same surnames. In some document of Nuevo Leon however, Treviño y sometimes spelled as Tremiño (m instead of v, but always with an r after T), although this usage eventually stopped.

Finally, regarding the connection of Diego Temiño de Velasco to Don Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco, I can't find no convincing evidence to support it.

Sincerely

Jaime

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: eaherold@att.net
The earliest marriage film I see for Mexico City is 1575. That is not early enough for us. I would like to see Seville marriage records for Diego and Francisca Alcocer. Anybody going to Spain soon?
--
Esther A. Herold

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Esther, Sofía, Jaime, George et al

I missed the important line "hija del Alcayde de Temyño" when copying the
information about Pedro Pacheco Rodríguez from the "Diccionario
Autobiografico de Conquistadores y Pobladores de Nueva España" by Francisco
de Icaza. The correct quotation is as follows:

"554.- Pedro PACHO, muerto, dize:

En efecto, quez vezino desta ciudad y natural de la villa de Fregenal, e
hijo legítimo de Pedro Pacho y de Beatriz rrodríguez, vezinos que fueron de
Seuilla, y que ha treze años que pasó a esta Nueua Spaña, y a la contina
después acá ha rresidido en ella, e tenydo armas e cauallos, e que ha seys
años que se casó con Doña Ana de Velasco de Temyño, hija del Alcayde de
Temyño, e que su magestad fue seruido mandar que a la persona que con ella
se casase, se le hiziese merced en qualquier aprouechamyento de la tierra, y
tiene tres hijas que la mayor ha çinco años, y que siruió en la pacificaçión
de Jalisco con Vuestra Señoría Illustrísima, desde el prinçipio hasta el fin
de todo, y sienpre se le ha hecho merced de corregimyentos."

Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Figueroa"
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO

Esther, Sofía, Jaime, George et al

Last Friday I visited the Dallas Public Library in order to check out the
book "Fundadores de Nueva Galicia, Guadalajara, Tomo I" by Guillermo
Garmendia Leal. While looking for the Treviño connection, I found another
book...

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I have been researching my family roots in Villa Hidalgo and Teocaltiche,
Jalisco. I noticed in both places that there is an area called Tepusco. As a
matter of fact, my family, VIDAURE, lived for several generations on Rancho
Tepusco in Paso de Sotos.

Anyway, my question is this: does Tepusco mean anything? I just found it be
an unusual word and, for it to be in two different towns, even though they
are close together, it just makes me wonder.

Does anyone know what it means?

Veronica Vidaure Rahorn
Gilbert, AZ

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Bill,

Whap page was that? Thanks,

Esther
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------

> Esther, Sofía, Jaime, George et al
>
> I missed the important line "hija del Alcayde de Temyño" when copying the
> information about Pedro Pacheco Rodríguez from the "Diccionario
> Autobiografico de Conquistadores y Pobladores de Nueva España" by Francisco
> de Icaza. The correct quotation is as follows:
>
> "554.- Pedro PACHO, muerto, dize:
>
> En efecto, quez vezino desta ciudad y natural de la villa de Fregenal, e
> hijo legítimo de Pedro Pacho y de Beatriz rrodríguez, vezinos que fueron de
> Seuilla, y que ha treze años que pasó a esta Nueua Spaña, y a la contina
> después acá ha rresidido en ella, e tenydo armas e cauallos, e que ha seys
> años que se casó con Doña Ana de Velasco de Temyño, hija del Alcayde de
> Temyño, e que su magestad fue seruido mandar que a la persona que con ella
> se casase, se le hiziese merced en qualquier aprouechamyento de la tierra, y tiene tres hijas que la mayor ha çinco años, y que siruió en la
> pacificaçión
> de Jalisco con Vuestra Señoría Illustrísima, desde el prinçipio hasta el fin
> de todo, y sienpre se le ha hecho merced de corregimyentos."
>
> Bill Figueroa
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Figueroa"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
>
>
> Esther, Sofía, Jaime, George et al
>
> Last Friday I visited the Dallas Public Library in order to check out the
> book "Fundadores de Nueva Galicia, Guadalajara, Tomo I" by Guillermo
> Garmendia Leal. While looking for the Treviño connection, I found another
> book...
>
>

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Esther,

The page that has the autobiography of Pedro Pacheco Rodriguez aka Pedro
Pacho in the "Diccionario Autobiografico de Conquistadores y Pobladores de
Nueva España" by Francisco de Icaza is PG. 30. The autobiographies are
numbered sequentially. The SEQUENCE NUMBER for Pedro Pacho is 554.

Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO

Bill,

What page was that? Thanks,

Esther
--
Esther A. Herold

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Thank you Bill!
I am a little side tracked with some work so I have to wait at least a week before I start up my search again.

Sofia
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Hi Bill,
It would be great if you could see the actual documents or their microfilms where you think they are abbreviating "Pacheco" as"Pacho". Many times when abbreviating a word or name, they would wrtie the last letter or the last few letters of the abbreviated form as what we call "superscipt" on Micorsoft's World. I've seen this many times when abbreviating "Don" as "Dn", "Doña" as "Dna", "Villarreal" as "Villarrl", "Maria" as "Ma" etc. although not always, as when abbreviating "Joseph" as "Jph" .
Usually these superscript are ahown as plain text in printed transcriptions, especially older ones.
I think if you find an original document showing "Pacho" with the fnal "o" as superscript, you can bet it is an abbreviation for something else, probably "Pacheco" as you think.
Regards,
VN

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I have no doubt the Temiño de Velasco, are related to this family. It seems all Velascos are related to the Dukes. Since Diego was the mayor, he might have dropeed this lineage name for
the place where he was at Temiño, his house name would have been Velasco. I still dont fint this how is he related to Bernardino? a Child or grandchild. -Daniel
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*ALCOCER*, Doña Francisca de

Madre de Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos, Alonso de Velasco, Diego de Temiño
y Doña Francisca de Velasco, mujer de Francisco Cornejo. Doña Francisca
de Alcocer y su marido, Diego Temiño de Velasco, eran vecinos de
_Sevilla_. Pasó, el 13 de junio de 1538, con sus hijos varones, Alonso,
Diego y Baltasar, desde _España_ a _Cartagena_ a reunirse con su esposo
e hijas. Difunta en 1589 (Palomino y Cañedo, 1972: 75, 220 y 232).

alvaradj@comcast.net wrote:
> Hi Esther, Sofia and Bill,
> i have followed with interest the exchange about Diego Temino de Velasco and relatives, particularly since mi maternal line (Nuevo Leon and Coahuila) descends directly from Diego Treviño and Beatriz Quintanilla. Based on the evidence presented so far, I am inclined to think that Diego Treviño (perhaps the same as the Diego Velazco de Treviño who travelled in 1538 with his mother Francisca Alcocer and brothers Alonso de Velazco and Baltazar Velazco -all listed as sons of Velazco Treviño) is NOT the son of the Alcalde Diego Temiño de Velasco married to another Francisca Alcocer -daughter of Hernando Bañuelos and Isabel Alcocer. This second Francisca is recorded as traveling along with her three maiden daughters in company of Lope Saavedra (aka Lopez de Sayavedra in the Inquisitional papers) with no mention of any sons.
> Further, I agree with Bill's interpretation that Temiño and Treviño are not the same surnames. In some document of Nuevo Leon however, Treviño y sometime spelled as Tremiño (m instead of v, but always with an r after T), although this usage eventually stopped.
> Finally, regarding the connection of Diego Temiño de Velasco to Don Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco, I can't find no convincing evidence to support it.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Jaime
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: eaherold@att.net
>
>> The earliest marriage film I see for Mexico City is 1575. That is not early
>> enough for us.
>> I would like to see Seville marriage records for Diego and Francisca Alcocer.
>> Anybody going to spain soon?
>> --
>> Esther A. Herold
>>
>> -------------- Original message from sophia :
>> --------------
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hola Bill,
>>>
>>> There was no image. I just copied and pasted so you could see what was there.
>>>
>>> Sofia
>>>
>>>> From: bill_figueroa@usa.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Tue, 26
>>>>
>> Aug 2008 19:47:16 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE
>> VELASCO> > Sofía,> > Did you try to download the actual document from the PARES
>> website? It > would be interesting to read the manuscript. It would also be
>> interesting > to read the original marriage record of Diego Treviño to Beatriz
>> de > Quintanilla in 1563. Do church records in Mexico City go that far back?> >
>>
>>> Bill
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