Civil records for these two states have just been posted on Family Search.
George
Es realmente fantastico. Estube revisando un poco de Jalisco y va a ser una excelente fuente de mi busqueda.
Aqui el link:
Mexico, Jalisco, Civil Registration, 1832-2000
Miguel Beltran
New records posted today:
Queretaro, Veracruz, and Oaxaca.
They just uploaded Civil Registration records for Jalisco and SLP at Familysearch.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&countryId=19…
Don't forget to thank them in the feedback section so they may consider posting more Mexican records sooner than later!
Victoriano Navarro
Am
On Aug 12, 2011, at 12:56 PM, gpf13@aol.com wrote:
> New records posted today:
>
> Queretaro, Veracruz, and Oaxaca.
Many thanks to the responses from George, Patty, & Alicia.
Unfortunately your advice doesn't work because my grandmother's
married name (I think) was Blanche, but maybe Blanco. In
Nancy
Not infrequently, births in California were recorded without a given name, only last names.
My mother-in-law, born in 1925, in the Imperial Valley, CA actually added her name to her birth certificate when she was an adult.
My father-in-law, born in 1924 or 1925, picked a 1925 birth certificate (the other was for his brother who died as an infant), both of these had only surnames for the child. He took 1925 because it kept him out of the WW II draft for another year.
There are also gaps in the records as not every birth was recorded, even when required by law.
A similar situation may apply to your father. You might have better luck with the County Clerk, rather than Sacramento for the birth certificate.
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
Dear Nancy:
Have you tried researching the Sanchez Guerrero family? She might have been a godparent to some of the sibling's children, then you could place her. She could also have been a witness in one of the marriage investigations. Sometimes those auxiliary records can really help.
Maureen Bejar
Nancy Blanche Perez
Hi Maureen,
Yes, I am researching the Sanchez Guerrero family and am
sure that something will shed the light, hopefully soon.
Although I knew my grandmother as Alma Blanche, I do believe
now that she was a Guerrero. If you CLICK on the photos available
in "latest images" you will read some bio comments which go back
2 generations, but still don't give me a direct line to my gm. Un-
fortunately the records I need to research aren't indexed but your
suggestions about searching for godparent or witness possibility
are good ones. I know that Jesus Sanchez Guerrero was baptized in Jesus,
Guadalajara, (1874) and his son, Francisco Sanchez Flores (1910) was baptized
in Tlajomulco. I need to find time to look there. Thanks so much for your help.
George, thank you for your excellent advice about
trying the County clerk's office regarding birth
certificates. Another possibility is perhaps there
I have discovered that if you click on the "invert" button
to view the original images, the background darkens and the
wording becomes much more legible.
Buenas tardes,
Hello Nuestros Ranchos,
I would like to humbly ask for assistance in reading a marriage entry. I have found a Family Search image and cannot make out some details such as: the place Emeterio Delgadillo lives, and the part after 'hija legitima de Marcelino Prieto y Refugio Cruz que viven, .......'
The link to the image is:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…, and appears in Nochistlan, Matrimonion 1883-1887, image 244 of 519. There is a handwritten '374' at the top of the page stamped '188'.
Although the handwriting is beautiful, the image quality on my screen is difficult to read.
Any assistance in the translation is greatly appreciated.
Raymond Medrano
Hot Houston
Raymond,
The record says that Emeterio Delgadillo was from Hipalco. Sometimes they spelled it as Ipalco, Ypalco or Rio Ypalco. In this instance it's just Hipalco.
As for hija legitima de Marcelino Prieto y Refugio Cruz, what follows doesn't provide any additional backgroud information. It appears to be Catholic church wording required by the diocese with no refernce to the birth or baptism, it refers to church doctrine requirements for the pastor.
Hope this helps,
Alicia,
San Jose, Ca
From: Raymond Medrano
To: nuestros ranchos
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 1:13 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nochistlan
Hello Nuestros Ranchos,
I would like to humbly ask for assistance in reading a marriage entry. I have found a Family Search image and cannot make out some details such as: the place Emeterio Delgadillo lives, and the part after 'hija legitima de Marcelino Prieto y Refugio Cruz que viven, .......'
The link to the image is:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…, and appears in Nochistlan, Matrimonion 1883-1887, image 244 of 519. There is a handwritten '374' at the top of the page stamped '188'.
Although the handwriting is beautiful, the image quality on my screen is difficult to read.
Any assistance in the translation is greatly appreciated.
Raymond Medrano
Hot Houston
I follow the link but only leeds me to the begging of the film, if you go to
your image, and once you are there copy the string
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Raymond Medrano
wrote:
> Hello Nuestros Ranchos,
>
> I would like to humbly ask for assistance in reading a marriage entry. I
> have found a Family Search image and cannot make out some details such as:
> the place Emeterio Delgadillo lives, and the part after 'hija legitima de
> Marcelino Prieto y Refugio Cruz que viven, .......'
> The link to the image is:
>
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…,
> and appears in Nochistlan, Matrimonion 1883-1887, image 244 of 519. There
> is a handwritten '374' at the top of the page stamped '188'.
>
> Although the handwriting is beautiful, the image quality on my screen is
> difficult to read.
>
> Any assistance in the translation is greatly appreciated.
>
> Raymond Medrano
> Hot Houston
No perfecto pero ofresco lo siguiente:
*En la Parroquia de Nochistlan a 29 de Enero de mil ochocientos ochenta y
cinco. Yo el Presbitero D. Juan N. Baltazar, on licencia del Parroco,
originario de Hipalco vesino de esta poblacion hace como dieciseis años,
hijo legitimo de Gabriel Delgadillo i Leandra Yñigues que viven con Juana
Prieto, doncella de veintiseis años de edad originaria y vecina de Arroyo
Hondo, hija legitima de Marcelino Prieto i Refugio Cruz que viven; previos
los mandamientos necesarios, y las diligencias que prescribbe el Santo
Concilio de Trento ??, sus amonestaciones leidas intor?? ??? solemnia ace
tres dias festivos que lo fueron: once, diesiocho i veinticinco de Enero del
corriente año de las que no resulto impedimento alguno, aun pasado el
terminolegal, ace como el ???? de la doctrina cristiana, las obligaciones
sobre el estado matrimonial, en que se hallan intricantemente intrridez??? i
previa tambien la confesion sacramental. Fueron sus padrinos D. Refugio
Villegas i Da. Lucia Rodriguez. Testigos Tereso Perez i Roque Delgadillo.
Para que conste firme con el Sr. Cura, digo mal solamente yo firmo porque
actualmente soi el Cura entitulo?? Jesus N. Baltazar.*
Puedo tratar de copiar el acta y si sale bien te la mando.
-Esther Lopez Jordan
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Raymond Medrano
wrote:
> Hello Nuestros Ranchos,
>
> I would like to humbly ask for assistance in reading a marriage entry. I
> have found a Family Search image and cannot make out some details such as:
> the place Emeterio Delgadillo lives, and the part after 'hija legitima de
> Marcelino Prieto y Refugio Cruz que viven, .......'
> The link to the image is:
>
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…,
> and appears in Nochistlan, Matrimonion 1883-1887, image 244 of 519. There
> is a handwritten '374' at the top of the page stamped '188'.
>
> Although the handwriting is beautiful, the image quality on my screen is
> difficult to read.
>
> Any assistance in the translation is greatly appreciated.
>
> Raymond Medrano
> Hot Houston
Lo siento, trate de copiar el documento pero no salio completo. --Esther
2011/8/17 Esther Jordan
> No perfecto pero ofresco lo siguiente:
>
> *En la Parroquia de Nochistlan a 29 de Enero de mil ochocientos ochenta y
> cinco. Yo el Presbitero D. Juan N. Baltazar, en licencia del Parroco,
> originario de Hipalco vesino de esta poblacion hace como dieciseis años,
> hijo legitimo de Gabriel Delgadillo i Leandra Yñigues que viven con Juana
> Prieto, doncella de veintiseis años de edad originaria y vecina de Arroyo
> Hondo, hija legitima de Marcelino Prieto i Refugio Cruz que viven; previos
> los mandamientos necesarios, y las diligencias que prescribbe el Santo
> Concilio de Trento ??, sus amonestaciones leidas intor?? ??? solemnia ace
> tres dias festivos que lo fueron: once, diesiocho i veinticinco de Enero del
> corriente año de las que no resulto impedimento alguno, aun pasado el
> termino legal, ace como el ???? de la doctrina cristiana, las obligaciones
> sobre el estado matrimonial, en que se hallan intricantemente intrridez??? i
> previa tambien la confesion sacramental. Fueron sus padrinos D. Refugio
> Villegas i Da. Lucia Rodriguez. Testigos Tereso Perez i Roque Delgadillo.
> Para que conste firme con el Sr. Cura, digo mal solamente yo firmo porque
> actualmente soi el Cura entitulo?? Jesus N. Baltazar.*
>
>
> -Esther Lopez Jordan
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Raymond Medrano <
> raymond-rmm@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Hello Nuestros Ranchos,
>>
>> I would like to humbly ask for assistance in reading a marriage entry. I
>> have found a Family Search image and cannot make out some details such as:
>> the place Emeterio Delgadillo lives, and the part after 'hija legitima de
>> Marcelino Prieto y Refugio Cruz que viven, .......'
>> The link to the image is:
>>
>> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…,
>> and appears in Nochistlan, Matrimonion 1883-1887, image 244 of 519. There
>> is a handwritten '374' at the top of the page stamped '188'.
>>
>> Although the handwriting is beautiful, the image quality on my screen is
>> difficult to read.
>>
>> Any assistance in the translation is greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Raymond Medrano
>> Hot Houston
Hola Alejandro, curioso lo que mencionas de los Gómez de Nochistlán. Yo también he estado investigando ésta familia y también quedé atorado en el matrimonio de Nicolás Gómez con Magdalena Sepúlveda.
El esposo de mi hermana es Gómez Gómez, y el Gómez de su madre proviene de Nicolás Gómez y Magdalena Sepúlveda por su hijo Ascencio, quien casó con María de la Asención Rodríguez Ramírez.
Si encuentro algo después te tendré en mente porque se que te interesa.
L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez
Qué tal Jorge,
Ha sido muy difícil investigar esta línea. Es curioso porque los Gómez de los Altos parecen estar bien documentados (Gómez de Portugal, Gómez Hurtado de Mendoza, Gómez Borrallo). Lo que he pensado es que nuestro Nicolás simplemente llegó a la región, sin tener relación con los otros Gómez.
En cuanto a Magdalena de Sepúlveda, la tengo identificada como hija de Nicolás de Sepúlveda y Jerónima de Carvajal, nieta paterna de Juan de Sepúlveda y Magdalena Rodríguez, y nieta materna de Juan de Carvajal Ulloa y Jacinta de Yañez Benavides (hermana de Jerónima de Benavides).
Si me puedes compartir algo más de la línea que me comentas te lo agradecería.
Saludos y gracias!
Alejandro
To all,
I just noticed that as of July 23 Teocaltiche church records are now
available online!
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…
2011/7/27, Juan Aguayo :
> To all,
>
> I just noticed that as of July 23 Teocaltiche church records are now
> available online!
>
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…
>
>
> Ahora me di cuenta que las actas de Teocaltiche estan disponible desde el 23
> de este mes en la red!
>
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…
>
> Saludos a todos,
>
> Juan Carlos Aguayo Munoz
>
>Gracias muchas gracias ocupaba revisar y me han sido de mucha ayuda... perdon el abuso pero no sabes si tambien estan los de nayarit ?????
>
> _SERGIO EDUARDO ALATORRE GOMEZ
SALUDOS Y NUEVAMENTE
GRACIAS___________________________________________________________________
>
hello, my name is Delia Dominguez, a new member to nuestrosranchos. i need help in understanding how i can use the resources at nuetrosranchos.
Believe me, after more than 10 years of patiently searching for my grandmother's name
and background and finding literally nothing,my patience is running out but I haven't
Nancy,
I feel your pain. I'm still looking for my elusive GG grandfather Prudencio Olmos' birth record, still no luck, but the hunt is half the fun. In the process I have made many other discoveries about other family lines.
My other problem is that all of my family lines come from Nochistlan and it's so easy to get distracted. While searching for one family, I encounter many other family connections and lose the focus of the one I'm searching for at that one time.
To complicate things further, my husband's family is also from Nochistlan and I find our families co-mingling with each other all along the way.
So not only am I contending with my ancestors, I'm also having to answer to his ancestors, they are all calling to me and saying, come here, find me first.
Good luck Nancy and thanks Patty for your family tree that inspires all of us to keep going.
Saludos de San Jose,
Alicia
From: "nbperez@att.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:18 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Patty's family tree
Believe me, after more than 10 years of patiently searching for my grandmother's name
and background and finding literally nothing,my patience is running out but I haven't
yet given up. She doesn't seem to exist in any records I've searched and I don't know her maiden name, so how to find her? She was born about 1892, I believe in Mexico, but have no proof. I am now researching the surnames of Guerrero, Sanchez, Flores, in Guadalajara, based on a family group photo from about 1908. I have looked for a marriage record (not found) for Francisco Sanchez Guerrero
as I am hoping he is my grandmother's father, which would lead to breaking down
my huge brick wall. You can see a photo of my grandmother, Alma Blanche holding a
baby, the Guerrero family photo with her seated in the center row, and a photo of Jesus Sanchez Guerrero. But due to an older age, I think his brother, Francisco
might be my grandmother's father and the man in the photo. To see the photos please go to the "latest images" link on the right side of the page.
Patty, thanks so much for your info but the names don't seem to match my searches.
Yes I know about that co-mingling now that is part of the fun, finding the
common ancesters in different lines, my tree is from different cities, from
Veracruz to Hermosillo, from Mexico City to Tecolotlan an even so, I had
found common ancesters!!, so you should be getting crazy with the
co-mingling,
And you are right, some times we want to search for one person in particular
and you find another one and from that one you can pull the line far far
away, my advise, go with the flow.
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
> Nancy,
>
> I feel your pain. I'm still looking for my elusive GG grandfather Prudencio
> Olmos' birth record, still no luck, but the hunt is half the fun. In the
> process I have made many other discoveries about other family lines.
> My other problem is that all of my family lines come from Nochistlan and
> it's so easy to get distracted. While searching for one family, I encounter
> many other family connections and lose the focus of the one I'm searching
> for at that one time.
> To complicate things further, my husband's family is also from Nochistlan
> and I find our families co-mingling with each other all along the way.
> So not only am I contending with my ancestors, I'm also having to answer to
> his ancestors, they are all calling to me and saying, come here, find me
> first.
> Good luck Nancy and thanks Patty for your family tree that inspires all of
> us to keep going.
>
> Saludos de San Jose,
> Alicia
>
> From: "nbperez@att.net"
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:18 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Patty's family tree
>
> Believe me, after more than 10 years of patiently searching for my
> grandmother's name
> and background and finding literally nothing,my patience is running out but
> I haven't
> yet given up. She doesn't seem to exist in any records I've searched and I
> don't know her maiden name, so how to find her? She was born about 1892, I
> believe in Mexico, but have no proof. I am now researching the surnames of
> Guerrero, Sanchez, Flores, in Guadalajara, based on a family group photo
> from about 1908. I have looked for a marriage record (not found) for
> Francisco Sanchez Guerrero
> as I am hoping he is my grandmother's father, which would lead to breaking
> down
> my huge brick wall. You can see a photo of my grandmother, Alma Blanche
> holding a
> baby, the Guerrero family photo with her seated in the center row, and a
> photo of Jesus Sanchez Guerrero. But due to an older age, I think his
> brother, Francisco
> might be my grandmother's father and the man in the photo. To see the
> photos please go to the "latest images" link on the right side of the page.
> Patty, thanks so much for your info but the names don't seem to match my
> searches.
Had you try looking for your mother´s christening record??? with a little
bit of luck you can find there her grand parents and where is she from, or
her marriage record can also contain that data.
I know its a very simple tip but it may help.
Good luck!
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:18 PM, wrote:
> Believe me, after more than 10 years of patiently searching for my
> grandmother's name
> and background and finding literally nothing,my patience is running out but
> I haven't
> yet given up. She doesn't seem to exist in any records I've searched and I
> don't know her maiden name, so how to find her? She was born about 1892, I
> believe in Mexico, but have no proof. I am now researching the surnames of
> Guerrero, Sanchez, Flores, in Guadalajara, based on a family group photo
> from about 1908. I have looked for a marriage record (not found) for
> Francisco Sanchez Guerrero
> as I am hoping he is my grandmother's father, which would lead to breaking
> down
> my huge brick wall. You can see a photo of my grandmother, Alma Blanche
> holding a
> baby, the Guerrero family photo with her seated in the center row, and a
> photo of Jesus Sanchez Guerrero. But due to an older age, I think his
> brother, Francisco
> might be my grandmother's father and the man in the photo. To see the
> photos please go to the "latest images" link on the right side of the page.
> Patty, thanks so much for your info but the names don't seem to match my
> searches.
another place to search for missing relatives names but no dates is the burial records especially if the person was elderly and his parents were listed. I just discovered 2 lines I had given up on finding their lineage from burial records that connected them to lines in my files.. NEVER give up, they are waiting to be found but we need patience and perserverance.
Linda in B.C.
Perhaps this is obvious, but did your grandmother come to the US? If so, take a look at the US census records. These will give the country of birth, and a date of immigration. However, don't take the date as absolute, it could be a few years either way. The listed age may be correct, but again, do not assume it is unless you have some supporting evidence: I've seen dates as far as 10 years off for older people, such as in their 50s!
When you search the US census you may have to be creative when searching the last or first name. The census taken didn't always spell names correctly, and sometimes had real problems with non-American names. The ancestry.com indexes are OK, the LDS ones are better. The Heritage Quest indexes aren't nearly as useful.
Try searching for the first name and location only. Unfortunately, this tends to produce many results; a birth year range will narrow the list.
Something else to consider, is that who ever extracted the name for the census index may not have been able to read what was written, and therefore did not spell the name correctly.
From the dates you give, also look at the 1930 Mexican national census. I've used it a little, with mixed results. I've found a few people I didn't expect, and not found ones that should have been there.
Possibly, also obvious: look at all the baptismal records. In the early part of the 1900s, the Catholic Church started annotating baptismal records with marriage information. Also, matrimonial investigations will sometimes have references to the baptismal records. This seems to have been more common in the small towns, than in the few large ones I've looked at.
One of the suggestions made at the last meeting of the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society for dealing with brick walls is to write down everything you know. This will do two things: (1) makes the gaps clear, and (2) possibly make suggestions for where to look or suggest conclusions that weren't apparent.
Sometimes following up on a hunch or guess may lead to success.
I know the frustration! Be persistent! And finally, sometimes it is just luck. It took me a long time to find Alejandra Saldana's family. The birth year I was given by her children was wrong (although the month and day was correct), the place of birth was wrong, and her father's age in the US census was 10 years off!
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
Nancy Blanche Perez
George, I actually knew my grandmother, who died in LA in 1948. In the 1930 census she listed Cal. as her place of birth, so nothing she told my Dad seems to have been truth.
Your comment about not believing listed ages is an excellent point. I really appreciate the encouragement of this terrific group and am happy to be part of it.
Hola a todos los compañerpos del foro,,, revizando unas dispensas matrimoniales del año 1797 me encotre una que decia que Agustin Gomez Casado con Maria leal y Paula Gomez casada con Martin Casillas
No he visto la dispensa pero no creo que son los mismos simplemente por las
fechas. Puedes encontrar la familia de Esteban I Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza y
Maria Torres Valdivia en la página de Javier Sanchiz Ruiz.
http://gw5.geneanet.org/index.php3?b=sanchiz&lang=es;p=esteban;n=gomez+…
¿Nos puedes dar el enlace de la dispensa?
Armando
2011/8/15
> Hola a todos los compañerpos del foro,,, revizando unas dispensas
> matrimoniales del año 1797 me encotre una que decia que Agustin Gomez Casado
> con Maria leal y Paula Gomez casada con Martin Casillas eran hijos de esta
> Pareja de Fernando Gomez y Ana Villaseñor,, lo cual contradice el Libro de
> Don Mariano Gonzalez Leal, que menciona en su libro que estos dos Agustin y
> Paula Gomez son hijos de Esteban I Gomez Hurtado de mendoza y Maria Torres
> Valdivia,, alguien de ustedes sabe de quien eran hijos este Fernando Gomez y
> Ana Villaseñor,,, la dispensa de la que hablo esta en la pag. 379 de las
> dispensas de 1797 por si la quieren ver
Estimado Armando,
El tema es muy intersante, pero tendré que revisar esta dispensa que muy amablemente nos proporcionó el Sr. Jiménez. Aunque D. Mariano si ha dicho que si existe datos erróneos en su primer edición de su obra, como mencionas por la aproximación de años y la época, no pienso que sean los mismos.
Ahora, es interesante que el Lic. Sanchiz menciona que Esteban Gómez Hurtado de Mendoza era hijo de Manuel Gómez de Portugal y Catalina Hurtado de Mendoza. Que tendrás idea como se dio cuenta que Manuel Gómez es Manuel Gómez de Portugal. En un correo yo y el Sr. Tovar de Teresa platicamos sobre este Manuel Gómez y afirma
Manuel es hijo de Esteban Gómez y nieto de otro Esteban, natural de Orgaz, hijo de otro Esteban y de Catalina López, que llegó a la Nueva Galicia con el Oidor Francisco de Pareja en 1578.
Aquí te proporciono el pase a Indias.
ESTEBAN GOMEZ
Fecha Creación: 1578-07-12
Nivel de Descripción:
Unidad Documental Simple
ÁREA DE CONTENIDO Y ESTRUCTURA
Alcance y Contenido:
ESTEBAN GOMEZ, natural de Orgaz, hijo de Esteban Gómez y de Catalina López, a Nueva Galicia como criado del doctor Juan de Pareja, oidor de la Audiencia.
Ojalá te gusta los datos.
Daniel Méndez Camino
estimados Daniel y Armando,,, Obvio que las fechas no coinciden ya que solo mencione el tronco comun no ,,,las personas que se mencionan en las dispensas son bisnietos de estas parejas estariamos hablando de aproximadamente 130 años de antiguedad de esta fecha 1797,,, les paso la liga de la dispensa
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…
Es de Jose Antonio Diaz Montañez (Hijo de Cyetano Diaz y Maria Casillas y Gomez ( Hija de Martin Casillas y Paula Gomez)) y Maria Antonia de Barba,,,, el hijo de -Jose antonio Diaz y Gertrudis Ramirez y ella de Salvador Barba( Hijo de Diego de Barba y Antonia Gomez ( Hija de Agustin y Paula Gomez) y Maria Josefa Rodriguez
espero sus comentarios
Estimados José y Daniel.
Siempre si tienen que ser los mismos y coinciden con los demás nombres que
tiene el Lic. Sanchiz Ruiz. Por primera vez aprendo que hubo datos erróneos
en la primer edición de la obra de Don Mariano. También veo que calculé mal
las fechas. A primera vista pensaba que eran demasiados años para que
Agustín y Paula habrían sido los bisabuelos.
No tengo idea por que es que el Lic. Sanchiz Ruiz tiene a Manuel Gómez como
Manuel Gómez de Portugal. Como el Sr. Tovar de Teresa es gran genealogista y
estudió este tema y afirmó ese dato entonces seguramente tiene la razón y
esta mal la fuente del Lic. Sanchiz.
Armando
2011/8/15
> estimados Daniel y Armando,,, Obvio que las fechas no coinciden ya que solo
> mencione el tronco comun no ,,,las personas que se mencionan en las
> dispensas son bisnietos de estas parejas estariamos hablando de
> aproximadamente 130 años de antiguedad de esta fecha 1797,,, les paso la
> liga de la dispensa
> https://www.familysearch.org/**search/image/show#uri=https%**
> 3A//api.familysearch.org/**records/pal%3A/MM9.3.1/TH-1-**
> 18409-13425-19%3Fcc%3D1874591%**26wc%3D11124140
>
>
> Es de Jose Antonio Diaz Montañez (Hijo de Cyetano Diaz y Maria Casillas y
> Gomez ( Hija de Martin Casillas y Paula Gomez)) y Maria Antonia de Barba,,,,
> el hijo de -Jose antonio Diaz y Gertrudis Ramirez y ella de Salvador Barba(
> Hijo de Diego de Barba y Antonia Gomez ( Hija de Agustin y Paula Gomez) y
> Maria Josefa Rodriguez
>
> espero sus comentarios
Hay que tomar en cuenta no solo el acta de información matrimonial que menciona el Sr. Jiménez, porque también pueden contener errores. Me he topado con muchos registros parroquiales que los contienen y creo que este registro es uno de ellos.
Revisen el libro de Luz Montejano y encontré dos dispensas matrimoniales que coinciden en lo que dice Don Mariano González Leal, que Agustín y Paula Gómez de Mendoza son hijos de Esteban Gómez de Mendoza y María Torres de Valdivia.
Las dispensas que mencionan lo anterior son la 1395 de la página 252, matrimonio de Ignacio Antonio de Vallarta y María Sebastiana Díaz Montañez; y la otra es del registro 2663 de la página 531, matrimonio de Francisco Díaz de Sandi y Antonia Leonarda de Lomelí.
Asi que creo que Fernando Gómez y Ana de Villaseñor son una equivocación de los pretensos de la información matrimonial en mención. Mas bien creo que los padres de Agustín y Paula si son Esteban Gómez Hurtado de Mendoza y María Torres de Valdivia.
HOLA,
I AM HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE THAT MY FAMILY TREE WITH MORE THAN 2000 NAMES IS
ALREADY IN NUESTROS RANCHOS GEDCOM, I HOPE IT WILL HELP SOME OF YOU WITH
YOUR RESEACH.
LOOK FOR MARTHA HARO FAMILY
Hi, I have recently noticed that in the baptisms of San Martin Hidalgo, Jalisco from the 1840s to the 1880s many baptisms have the letters "C.C.", "C.Y.", or "Y.Y.".
Hola Valente
Hace unos días comenté sobre tu pregunta, pero me parece que hice algo mal y no apareció el comentario, o quizá fue el problema que hubo en la página. No sé.
Vuelvo a escribir lo que yo pienso de este tema.
Fui a ver la referencia que indicas y me doy cuenta que la costumbre de colocar estas iniciales comienza, si no me equivoco, en los libros de 1841. Definitivamente no creo que quiera decir indio o casta, el uso de colocar la "calidad" como se llamaba a la raza de los bautizados se suspendió junto con la consumación de la independencia, en 1821. Me parece que hubo una ley que prohibió asentar la raza de las personas en estos libros. El caso es que esa práctica se abandonó. Algunos párrocos en vez de el adjetivo "indio" o "español" colocaron el de "americano" o "ciudadano" En 1880 ya no era posible distinguir quien era mestizo o español. Creo que se debe dar por descartado que YY quiera decir indio.
Me parece que puede referirse a un lugar pensé que CC pudiera ser capellanías y YY iglesias, pero esto es solo especulación y qué sería de CY, la verdad es que esto es algo misterioso. Ojalá que alguien pueda aportarnos luz en este tema.
Saludos.
Jorge Elias
Miami, FL
Gracias por tu respuesta Jorge Elias, pero lo curioso es que en el pueblo de San Martin de Hidalgo, Jalisco; los parrocos no respetaron esta ley, y siguieron poniendo las razas de los bebes hasta mediados de 1830s. Espero que alguien nos pueda ayudar tambien.
Gracias,
Valente.
Estimado Valente,
Hubo varios lugares que como mencionas “no siguieron esta ley” o reforma mexicana. Sé que Zamora, Michoacán continuaron utilizando los términos raciales o castas hasta los 1830s. Después invez de utilizar el título honorífico Don/Doña utilizaban “e Sr. ciudadano”. Otros lugares siguieron con el Don/Doña, pienso que el gobierno realmente no tuvo control de estos cambios. Todo lugar era diferente y realizaron los cambios a tiempos variables.
Daniel
Here are my quick notes of what an be found in the images for the 1846 Padron de Nochistlan found here:
This is really cool. Thanks Claudia!
------ Original Message ------
Received: 06:53 PM PDT, 08/14/2011
From: claudiacasillas@gmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Padron de Nochistlan - 1846
Here are my quick notes of what an be found in the images for the 1846 Padron
de Nochistlan found here:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…
1846-1899 - nochistlan - padrones
Film: 226945
NOTE: I am making note of place names only so you will find your people if you
already know the name of the rancho, estancia or place where they resided.
IMAGES #003-100
003 slate 1846
004 principio
005/6 1846 padron
007/8 oriente
011 norte
015 poniente
016 sur
018 barrio de santiago
021 barrio de san sebastian
025 barrio de san francisco
029 puesto de la villita
030 cofradia del santisimo / huerta de pachecos
031 cofradia de la purisima / pueblo de toyahua
039 pueblo de apulco
045 pueblo de tenayuca
048/9 chimaliquin
050 rancho de tapias / rio de apulco
051 arroyo hondo
052/3 huegotita / el alamo
054 el salto / el tunal / paso de carretas / estancia de los delgadillo
057/8 santa rita / el trich
059 puesto del coyote / la jabonera
060 puesto del picacho / monte de los yanez
061 los chaves
062 rancho viejo / lo de carrera / las tinajas
063 san martin / mesa de la magdalena / hacienda de tlachichilia
064 rio de santa gertrudis / sombreretillo / huiscolco
065/6 puesto de las bolsas / san roque / el malpaso / el chiquiguitillo
067 el salitre / los cardos / rincon de diego / las pilas / la cienega
068 mololoas / monte de los duranes
069 las ahujas
070 cerro de san miguel
071 mesa de las galusas / santa rita / san jose / el carriscal
072-4 rincon de torres / hacienda de santa gertrudis
075 barranca de jocoqui / el aguacate / el capulin / serro grande
076 mesa de los ocotes / la cienega2 / el citio
077 mesa de los abelares
078/9 rincon de aguayos / hacienda del alamo / cofradia de animas
082 tapotica / paso de orosco
083 la capellania / jesus maria
084 el durasno de carrillos / barranca de morenos / rancho de las troxes /
rancho de los gonzalez
085 el salto
086/7 rancho de san jose / rancho viejo / el saucillo
088 rio ancho / el molino
089/90 las huertas
091 javalies
092 rancho el zapote / labor de los mercados
093/4 huisquilco
095 llano grande / veladores
096/7 SUMMARY population 9,765
098 SUMMARY
population 14,567
099 blank
100 fin
Claudia,
On behalf of the Nuestros Ranchos group I would like to extend my thanks
to you for your wonderful efforts in helping your fellow researchers. I
certainly hope that others will take note and follow your fine example.
thank you,
joseph
======================
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NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
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http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
claudiacasillas@gmail.com wrote:
> Here are my quick notes of what an be found in the images for the 1846
> Padron de Nochistlan found here:
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…
>
>
> 1846-1899 - nochistlan - padrones
> Film: 226945
>
> NOTE: I am making note of place names only so you will find your
> people if you already know the name of the rancho, estancia or place
> where they resided.
>
> IMAGES #003-100
>
> 003 slate 1846
> 004 principio
> 005/6 1846 padron
>
> 007/8 oriente
>
> 011 norte
>
> 015 poniente
>
> 016 sur
>
> 018 barrio de santiago
>
> 021 barrio de san sebastian
>
> 025 barrio de san francisco
>
> 029 puesto de la villita
>
> 030 cofradia del santisimo / huerta de pachecos
>
> 031 cofradia de la purisima / pueblo de toyahua
>
> 039 pueblo de apulco
>
> 045 pueblo de tenayuca
>
> 048/9 chimaliquin
>
> 050 rancho de tapias / rio de apulco
>
> 051 arroyo hondo
>
> 052/3 huegotita / el alamo
>
> 054 el salto / el tunal / paso de carretas / estancia de los delgadillo
>
> 057/8 santa rita / el trich
>
> 059 puesto del coyote / la jabonera
>
> 060 puesto del picacho / monte de los yanez
>
> 061 los chaves
>
> 062 rancho viejo / lo de carrera / las tinajas
>
> 063 san martin / mesa de la magdalena / hacienda de tlachichilia
>
> 064 rio de santa gertrudis / sombreretillo / huiscolco
>
> 065/6 puesto de las bolsas / san roque / el malpaso / el chiquiguitillo
>
> 067 el salitre / los cardos / rincon de diego / las pilas / la cienega
>
> 068 mololoas / monte de los duranes
>
> 069 las ahujas
>
> 070 cerro de san miguel
>
> 071 mesa de las galusas / santa rita / san jose / el carriscal
>
> 072-4 rincon de torres / hacienda de santa gertrudis
>
> 075 barranca de jocoqui / el aguacate / el capulin / serro grande
>
> 076 mesa de los ocotes / la cienega2 / el citio
>
> 077 mesa de los abelares
>
> 078/9 rincon de aguayos / hacienda del alamo / cofradia de animas
>
> 082 tapotica / paso de orosco
> 083 la capellania / jesus maria
>
> 084 el durasno de carrillos / barranca de morenos / rancho de las
> troxes / rancho de los gonzalez
>
> 085 el salto
>
> 086/7 rancho de san jose / rancho viejo / el saucillo
>
> 088 rio ancho / el molino
>
> 089/90 las huertas
>
> 091 javalies
>
> 092 rancho el zapote / labor de los mercados
>
> 093/4 huisquilco
>
> 095 llano grande / veladores
>
> 096/7 SUMMARY population 9,765
>
> 098 SUMMARY
> population 14,567
>
> 099 blank
> 100 fin
1778-1782 Yahualica, Jalisco - Información Matrimonial
FOUND HERE:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…
Hi Patty,
I envy your finding so much info on your family and
wonder what names and areas in Jalisco you have reserched.
Thanks - Nancy
Well said, Daniel!
------Original Message------
From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon
Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
To: Nuestros Ranchos
ReplyTo: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Patty's family tree
Sent: Aug 14, 2011 10:10 AM
It all takes patience, sometimes I believe I lack it, but we all started at the
beginning. Many people consider some of us "smart" "knowledegble" but in
reality we have just studied over the years. We all start from a tiny seed
and with a bit of patience and persistance, it begins to grow into a tree
that unites all your ancestors.
Daniel Méndez Camino
Daniel is right, it takes patience and Good Luck!!!, sometimes you dont find
anything but some other times you start searching one lead and it goes
really easy.
In my family tree you can find several last names, from Jalisco mainly you
can find:
Cd. Guzman,
Vergara
Medina (tecolotlan),
Brizuela
Rodriguez
González de Rubalcaba (Lagos de Moreno)
Guerra
Moreno
In Tecolotlan
Medina
Santa ana
Michel
Topete
Among others...
Tell me if you can use some of that info, and I´ll send you the link to my
tree in myheritage.com
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 12:46 PM, wrote:
> Well said, Daniel!
> ------Original Message------
> From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon
> Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> To: Nuestros Ranchos
> ReplyTo: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Patty's family tree
> Sent: Aug 14, 2011 10:10 AM
>
>
> It all takes patience, sometimes I believe I lack it, but we all started at
> the
> beginning. Many people consider some of us "smart" "knowledegble" but in
> reality we have just studied over the years. We all start from a tiny seed
> and with a bit of patience and persistance, it begins to grow into a tree
> that unites all your ancestors.
>
>
>
> Daniel Méndez Camino
>
It all takes patience, sometimes I believe I lack it, but we all started at the
beginning. Many people consider some of us "smart" "knowledegble" but in
reality we have just studied over the years. We all start from a tiny seed
and with a bit of patience and persistance, it begins to grow into a tree
that unites all your ancestors.
Daniel Méndez Camino
I've recently read a couple of books on genetic testing, and related topics. While they do not answer all my questions, they seem to be pretty reasonable:
I don't have a recommendation on a book but some very good websites with
very smart and knowledgeable people are the following -
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/
http://dna-forums.org/
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?201-Genetics-amp-Anthropo…
Every year there are changes and additions to the the haplogroups. The
current haplogroups and subclades can be seen at
http://www.isogg.org/tree/index.html
The books you mentioned will have outdated info, and maybe even biased, so
keep that in mind when reading them. There are currently many studies that
will bring to light a lot more info, changes, and additions. The forums from
the above websites include many good arguments that should be read to
understand how many details aren't fully agreed upon yet.
Wikipedia has been updated with these changes and include links to the
source info and studies so it will have a lot of good material but the
previous mentioned websites should be kept in mind, especially when there
are critiques of the studies like the ones presented by Dienekes.
Armando
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:39 PM, wrote:
> I've recently read a couple of books on genetic testing, and related
> topics. While they do not answer all my questions, they seem to be pretty
> reasonable:
>
> (1) Trace Your Roots with DNA by Megan Smolenyak Smolenyak (this is her
> name and not a typo) and Ann Turner.
>
> Copyright 2004, so perhaps a little dated, but still a reasonable
> discussion of what DNA testing can do.
>
> Still in print @ $16.95
>
> (2) The Journey of Man: A Genetic Odyssey by Spencer Wells
>
> Copyright 2002, also perhaps a little dated.
>
> Spencer Wells is the person involved with the Genographics Project
> (National Geographic). This book is about population migration, more of a
> "deep ancestry" approach. It would be useful to read this and watch the
> National Geographic video (watch the video first).
>
> Still in print at $14.95.
>
> I ordered both of them from an online bookstore, none of the brick & mortar
> stores had them.
>
> I'm still looking for something that does an in-depth description of haplo
> types.
Armando
Thanks for the information.
The books I named are dated; with this science, 2002 and 2004 is starting to get a bit old!
I'm surprised at how hard it has been to find something both good and comprehensive.
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
Armando,
Thank you so much for posting these links. They are informative and
interesting.
Raquel Ruiz
El Archivo Secreto del Vaticano, disponible en Internet
10/08/11 - 08:11
*Fuente: *
http://www.clarin.com/sociedad/descomunal-archivo-Vaticano-disponible-I…
*
*
*El
Amalia,
I think you said you uploaded something?
Can you give me the link to it?
Thanks,
Emilie
Try this not sure if it will work...
http://hdzvialpando.tribalpages.com/tpphotos/fullphotos/hdzvialpando_40…
Amalia Hernandez Arias
I didnt know where to upload it at? I see this website is pretty particular so I dont want to put the image in the wrong folder. Do you know where?
Amalia Hernandez Arias
Hello,
I had been a member of Nuestros Ranchos for a while, and with your help I
had been able to increase my family tree, now it is a little bit bigger than
2000 persons, although it is not only from Jalisco, I think it might be very
helpful to Nuestros Ranchos members, I have it in myheritage.com, how or
where can I upload it in Nuestros Ranchos site???
Hola,
Ya tengo un ratito como miembro de Nuestros Ranchos, con su ayuda he logrado
crecer mi árbol genealógico a poco mas de 2000 personas, aunque no todo es
de Jalisco, por lo menos la mitad si lo es.
Considero que sería de gran ayuda para varios miembros de Nuestros Ranchos,
actualmente lo tengo en myheritage.com, existe alguna manera de poder
cargarlo en su sitio o en que parte lo puedo cargar....
MUCHAS GRACIAS
put the link in an email and send it to the group. Does myheritage.com
require membership or some type of password to access the info. I'm not
sure you want everyone to have this information if it does.
if the information can be downloaded to your computer in gedcom format
then you can upload it to the gedcom area of the website. Let me know if
you want to upload a gedcom and I'll create a tree for you that area.
joseph
======================
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http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
patty haro wrote:
> Hello,
> I had been a member of Nuestros Ranchos for a while, and with your help I
> had been able to increase my family tree, now it is a little bit bigger than
> 2000 persons, although it is not only from Jalisco, I think it might be very
> helpful to Nuestros Ranchos members, I have it in myheritage.com, how or
> where can I upload it in Nuestros Ranchos site???
>
>
> Hola,
> Ya tengo un ratito como miembro de Nuestros Ranchos, con su ayuda he logrado
> crecer mi árbol genealógico a poco mas de 2000 personas, aunque no todo es
> de Jalisco, por lo menos la mitad si lo es.
> Considero que sería de gran ayuda para varios miembros de Nuestros Ranchos,
> actualmente lo tengo en myheritage.com, existe alguna manera de poder
> cargarlo en su sitio o en que parte lo puedo cargar....
>
>
> MUCHAS GRACIAS
Ok I just uploaded them to my photobucket page..
first one is the interpretation from the book Origins of New Mexico Families
Amalia,
Thank you for sending those links. I didn't realize you had sent them before I sent my last post.
I think that Villa de Leon was transcribed as Villa de Con and the "il" is an abbreviation for "ijo legitimo" (legitimate son of) since the name of his parents follow. What do you think, Daniel? Does that answer the mystery?
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: hernandezmol@msn.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 14:28:31 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Link to de Villalpando records
>
> Ok I just uploaded them to my photobucket page..
>
> first one is the interpretation from the book Origins of New Mexico Families
>
> http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c302/1traviesa/mestazvialpando_119227…
>
> 2nd one is the interpretation from the Diligencias Matrimonias
>
> http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c302/1traviesa/DMpageVillalpando.jpg
>
> And lastly is the Juan de Villalpando marriage which the first page is missing...
>
> http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c302/1traviesa/Juanmarriagep2.jpg
> http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c302/1traviesa/Juanmarriagep3.jpg
>
> Thank you all for helping out..hopefully the mystery can be solved!!
>
> Amalia Hernandez Arias
>
>
>
I'm anxious to see the first part of the act...as soon as I get it from the Achdiocese I will post it also...Did you get any hints in the testimonys of the other witnesses? One of them is missing also probobly on the first page. It says that the Muniz guy new him since his early years so Ive been doing searches on him also to see if I can find where he is from. Do you know where I might get the Presido enlisment lists??
Amalia Hernandez Arias
Amalia ---
No, I didn't get any farther in that document than translating the basic info on Ambrosio's marriage, and Daniel's translation confirmed what I thought it said. The rest was just too hard for me to read.
As for Presidio Enlistment lists, they must be available from the various archives in northern New Mexico, at the State Archives, at the University in Albuquerque and in a genealogical library in Santa Fe, I believe. There is also the library of Fray Angelico in Albuquerque, and the public library there also has genealogical information.
On one of the genealogical message boards back in 2001, I found this statement:
"Two other sources fo New Mexico research are Twitchell's The Spanish Archives of New Mexico, and Olmstead's study of census records: Spanish and Mexican Colonial Censuses of New Mexico - 1790, 1823, 1845." There is a website called Beyond Origins of New Mexico Families, but it only lists the censuses for the El Paso del Norte (now Juarez) area, not for Santa Fe, etc.
I don't know if Family Search has the colonial censuses for northern NM on microfilm, but I know that the University of Texas at El Paso has those.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: hernandezmol@msn.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:07:14 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] the mystery
>
> I'm anxious to see the first part of the act...as soon as I get it from the Achdiocese I will post it also...Did you get any hints in the testimonys of the other witnesses? One of them is missing also probobly on the first page. It says that the Muniz guy new him since his early years so Ive been doing searches on him also to see if I can find where he is from. Do you know where I might get the Presido enlisment lists??
>
> Amalia Hernandez Arias
Por el presente se les comunica que
*EL COLEGIO DE DEMOGRAFÍA DE LA NUEVA VIZCAYA*
y el
*INSTITUTO MUNICIPAL DE CULTURA DEL AYUNTAMIENTO DE GÓMEZ PALACIO, DURANGO*
impartiremos un
*CURSO
Hola,
Acabo de encontrar la vida de este Santo Martir Alteño Sn Toribio Romo
González.....lo conocen??
Ray Jauregui, Bill Figueroa and John Gonzales,
Thanks to each of you for your replies and your interest in Los Jauregui's from the regions of Los Altos.
We may never know the truth about the Jauregui's and yes it's probably pretty colorful lore about some Don Jauregui, which one? we'll probably never know but to hear these ladies talk you would think they knew firsthand. All I did was listen, I don't have much on the Jauregui's and It will be a long time before I can resume my research while working 45 hours a week plus commute time. I still enjoy reading everyone's postings, especially all the newcomers, welcome all you newbies to Nuestros Ranchos.
Armando and Jose Luis,
Your input is greatly appreciated, and providing the links helps lots!
Thank you,
Raymond Medrano
Greetings to all,
I have not been able to locate Yahualica De Gonzalez San Miguel, Gallo, Jalisco. This is all supposed to be one location but seems to have more names than usual. Any clues would be greatly appreciated.
Raymond Medrano
I thing you are talking about:
Yahualica de Gonzalez Gallo,Jalisco and the church is San Miguel
Jose luis Felix
> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 21:02:46 -0700
> From: raymond-rmm@sbcglobal.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Yahualica
>
> Greetings to all,
> I have not been able to locate Yahualica De Gonzalez San Miguel, Gallo, Jalisco. This is all supposed to be one location but seems to have more names than usual. Any clues would be greatly appreciated.
> Raymond Medrano
José Luis Felix is correct. Yahualica de González Gallo is the town.
Normally it is just called Yahualica. It's north of Tepa and west of Jalos
and south of Noshis. You can search it on Google Maps
There are two lists of church microfilms -
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/show?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fcatal…
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/show?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fcatal…
The images are at -
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…
Wikipedia entries -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahualica_de_Gonz%C3%A1lez_Gallo
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahualica_de_Gonz%C3%A1lez_Gallo
Armando
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 11:13 PM, jose luis felix
wrote:
>
> I thing you are talking about:
> Yahualica de Gonzalez Gallo,Jalisco and the church is San Miguel
> Jose luis Felix
>
> > Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 21:02:46 -0700
> > From: raymond-rmm@sbcglobal.net
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Yahualica
> >
> > Greetings to all,
> > I have not been able to locate Yahualica De Gonzalez San Miguel, Gallo,
> Jalisco. This is all supposed to be one location but seems to have more
> names than usual. Any clues would be greatly appreciated.
> > Raymond Medrano
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