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A couple of things. It is not a good idea to put your private information
(address or phone numbers) in emails to the group because the message forums
are public. Do you want me to delete your message?

With regards to your statements below:

1) Make a freedom of information act request for EVERYTHING available for
your relative
2) Seems that the closest mainland point to Bannacca (on an island right?)
is Trujillo and that is where I would start by ordering some film:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/37632

Good luck,

Joseph

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Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:general-
> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Carrol Hurley Ullrich
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 3:10 PM
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cordona, Rosita Maria
>
> This may be the wrong place to ask this and if so, I apologize. I have a
problem and since I
> neither read nor write Spanish, I am in a quandry.
>
> Rosita Maria Cordona was supposedly born ca Bet. 11 Oct 1909 - 1912
Spanish
> Honduras,(Bonnacca, Honduras). When she was about 9-10, supposedly her
father (no
> name) died while working on Suez Canal, and she was sent to America with a
Fermina
> Kirkconnell family to get an education. However, after finding the
person I believe to be
> Rosita arriving Apr 4 1920 with that family on Ship: Emma Belliveau
(ship sailed
> March 18 1920 from Bonacco, Honduras), through Cuba arriving in Tampa, FL
and again
> July 11 1925 as Rorsita (last name illegible on original) I have no link
of Rosita to the
> Kirkconnell family in US. Do find Rosita in 1930 maid, living 7709
Central Ave., Tampa,
> FL; in 1934 as cook 212 East Ross Avenue, Do, Tampa, FL; April 1935 living
with the
> Eatons 80 Vandeventer Place, St Louis, St Louis City, Missouri; April 1940
as a cook
> living with the Eatons at 80 Vandeventer Place, St Louis, St Louis City,
Missouri; married
> 26 Dec 1940 Hot Springs, Garland, Arkansas to R
> oman Benedict Pike. By 1945, she, Benedict and daugher Ann are back in
Temple
> Terrace, Tampa, Hillsborough Co., FL She died 21 Nov 2004 in Glynn Co.,
GA. and is
> buried St Anthony of Padua Cemetery, Palm Ave San Antonio, FL.
>
> Rosita did have a son Albert Allen Cardona born 12 Dec 1928 in Tampa, FL.
Her
> daughter has no other info on her than that, and would like to know the
true story of
> Rosita's birth year, parents, etc.
>
> Carrol Hurley Ullrich
> 419 Colley Lane
> St. Simons Island, GA 31522
>

Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola
me tome la libertad de checar tu arbol
y encontre lo siguiente:
vicente nungaray y damacia peña guitron
matrimonio 3 agosto 1874 talpa allende jalisco

maria nungaray peña baut 29 enero 1879
hl de vicente nungaray y damacia peña
ap.timoteo nungaray y marta renteria
am. juan peña y petronila guitron

timoteo nungaray y marta renteria
matrimonio 22 mayo 1843 talpa allende jalisco
hl. vicente nungaray y rita nuñez
hl. pioquinto renteria y franca villasor

juan peña y petronila guitron
matrimonio 21 noviembre 1853 talpa allende jalisco
hl. salustiano peña y franca palomera
hl. gil guitron y damacia araiza

pioquinto renteria y maria franca villasor
matrimonio 6 mayo 1815 talpa allende jalisco
hl. calletano renteria y maria de robles
hl. manuel villasor y petronila arechiga

salustiano peña y franca palomera
matrimonio 9 mayo 1816 talpa allende jalisco
hl. jose peña y rosalia arechiga
hl. faustino palomera y petronila belasco

ramon gil buitron y maria damacia de araiza
matrimonio 21 junio 1819
tulpa allende jalisco
hl juan buitron y maria ygnacia garcia de alva
hl. juan anto de araiza y maria antonia ruiz.

por parte materna doña amalia rodriguez :

vicente de jesus nungaray rodriguez
hijo lejitimo de manuel f. nungaray y amalia rodriguez
abuelo paterno : vicente nungaray y damacia peña
abuelo materno: filogonio rodriguez y salvadora hernandez.

adelaida rodriguez hernandez baut 23 agosto 1867 autlan de moreno jalisco
hija de filogonio rodriguez y salvadora hernandez
abuelo paterno :francisco rodriguez y tomasa bermudes
abuelo materno jesus hernandez y micaela cortez

josefa hernandez cortes baut 29 agosto 1858 ameca jalisco
hija de jesus hernandez y micaela cortes
abuelo paterno luis hernandes y franca patron
abuelo materno jose de jesus cortes y jesus selis

luis hernandez y franca patron
matrimonio 30octubre 1820 talpa allende jalisco
hijo de jose maria hernandez y petra de orosco
hija de luis patron y jesus ballejo.

en estos siguentes bautismo checa los abuelos materno en especial a teresa .

jose maria rafaela ernandez orosco baut 24 octubre 1810
hija de jose maria ernandez y maria petra orosco
ap. manuel ernandes y josefa aguilar
am. francisco orosco y maria teresa ulloa

jose maria hernandez orosco
baut 7 marzo 1808 talpa allende jalisco
hijo de jose maria hernandes y de maria petra de orozco
ap. manuel hernandez y josefa aguilar
am. francisco orozco y tereza de uribe.

saludos
que tengas un buen dia
bye

Ricardo Espinosa-reo
I belong to a Espinosa Family from Guanajuato and Zacatecas (from ca 1813), in my research there is a possibility that the surname can be from a a jewish origin from Spain, when the jewish was expelled from spain in 1492 many of them converted to Christianity, they where called marranos, many Espinosas come from Burgos, España, some are Espinosa de los Monteros.

Yes, the name pertains to spine tree, thorn bush, and the like. It is a name in my mother's paternal lineage which traces back to Santa Maria de los Lagos, Jalisco in 1666.

Hi Gary

A man named juan Sotelo died in sguascalientes in 1641. I have previously posted on this.
As you note, francisco died in 1669.
And then there was a man named Antonio Sotelo mentioned in connection with francisco.

I think one or more of these men was/were the son of hernando/fernando sotelo de moctezuma of michoacan.

The codex chimalpahin states that Diego Arias de sotelo and Leonor Valderrama had a son named hernando, and he in turn had 10 children. One of these 10 was named Juan. The four others are named Diego, leonor, hernando, and Ana. The codex does not name the other five, but states they are living in michoacan with their father. If you google "codex chimalpahin valderrama" the first hit will take you to the relevant pages of the book, pages 105-111.

I really do not know if juan sotelo of aguascalientes is the same as juan sotelo son of hernando sotelo (in some sources named as fernando). It's just a theory, therefore i am eager to see a record of marriage for any of the three men mentioned above.

I wish you luck in your searches! If i find any new info, i will of course post.

Regards,
Denise

Victor M Gomez

Hola, alguien me puede ayudar ya que tengo a Juan de Santiago y Escobar y a Gertrudis Becerra como padres de Maria Francisca Leocadia de Escobar, casada con Juan Manuel Alonzo el 24 de Abril de 1757 en el Sagrario de Aguascalientes, estos ultimos como padres de Maria de la Merced Alonzo casada con Joseph Manuel De los Santos el 10 de Enero de 1790 en el Sagrario Metropolitano de Aguascalientes, mis preguntas son si este Juan De Santiago es el mismo del que comentaron y si esta Gertrudis es alguna de las esposas ya que la encontre con el apellido Becerra.

De ante mano muchas gracias.

Hi George:

This is an interesting note thanks for sharing. I would have never guessed this. I have not studied
the Santiago y Escobar family well. Since I do not descend from them but needless to say I have
them in my database. I have not been lucky beyond their grandkids of Juan de Santiago y Escobar.

I once read he had 43 kids total 23 of them which were living when he died or when he wrote his will.

Daniel Méndez Camino

Daniel,

Here is what I have re. Diego Arias de Sotelo:

"Diego ARIAS DE SOTELO, hijodalgo, nació hacía 1525 en Zamora, España.
Hermano de don Baltasar de Sotelo. Vino a Nueva España en 1550 como camarero
del virrey don Luís de Velasco. Recién llegado a México, casó con doña
(María) Leonor de Valderrama y Moctezuma, hija del conquistador Cristóbal de
Valderrama y de doña Leonor de Moctezuma, hija a su vez del último emperador
Azteca. Habiendo fallecido doña Leonor en 1562, don Diego recurrió al rey,
pidiendo para sus muchos hijos la herencia de Moctezuma y la dote de la
emperatriz "Acatlán". Entre sus hijos se encuentra don Fernando Sotelo
Moctezuma, heredero de sus encomiendas, y don Cristóbal Sotelo Valderrama.
Casó en segundas nupcias con doña María Manuela de Portugal, hermana del
tesorero de la Real Hacienda, don Fernando de Portugal."

Saludos,
Bill Figueroa

Also check Guachinango, I have found quite a few relatives there and have seen the surname Curiel from Mixtlan there.

Casimiro Sanchez

Hi primo, I hope you are doing ok. I read your message and I think I have a partial answer to that. I don't have ancestors in Mixtlan, but I do have some Curieles from Atenguillo, and I remember reading "Mixtlan" several times on baptisms records from Atenguillo.
On my research, at one point I had the same problem that you encountered. I was looking the baptism of my 2nd great grandfather Ygnacio Curiel Diaz circa 1857, but the Atenguillo records begin on 1865. I started looking at other parishes, and luckily, I found him in the church records of Mascota, Jalisco. It seems that prior to 1865, Atenguillo residents went to this church, and yes, I remember reading "Mixtlan" in those books as well. My suggestion is for you to look on both Atenguillo and Mascota. I'm sure you'll find your ancestor there.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M2R5-XBG

Hola, me llamo Leticia Reynoso y encontrpé una Antonia Macedo Corona bautizada el 8 jun 1869 en Tuito Jalisco hija de Tiburcio Macedo y Pabla Corona no me sé bien la geografía de Jalisco pero tal vez te sirva la info...

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: jorgemc52mag@yahoo.com.mx
> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 15:27:18 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jorge Enrique McCormick
>
> Hola soy nuevo aqui los saludo a todos respetuosamente y me permito solicitar de su ayuda para establecer correctamente los datos de mis ancestros que se ubicaban en las poblaciones de Guachinango,Ameca y Talpa de Allende Jalisco.
> Bisabuelo Eudoro Curiel originario de guachinango Jalisco por 1861 aproximadamente y fallecido probablemente en Ameca Jalisco entre 1916 y 1930.
> Bisabuela Antonia Macedo Corona originaria probablemente de Talpa de Allende Jalisco por 1871 aproximadamente y fallecida el 16 marzo 1907 en Ameca Jalisco.
> Abuelo George E McCormick originario de Pittsburgh P.A. en 26 marzo 1872 hijo de Louis y Sarah McCormick fallecido en Ameca Jalisco 30 Julio 1930.
> muchas gracias por su apoyo.

maybe hilario's grandparents were closely related, since they had the same last name(and probably weren't married).

also, how far have you traced the jaimes line?

The abuelos paternos are José María Muñoz and Luisa Muñoz.

The word in lieu of the surname of Luisa is idem which means "the same" and denotes a previously used surname which in this case was Muñoz.

The marriage record of José Muñoz and María de Jesús Jayme states that José was an hijo natural of Luiza Muñoz.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-60344-56?cc=1874591&wc…

Regards,
Armando

Hola Sergio, creo saber quienes son los padres de Francisco Morales de Sigala, casado con Antonia de Santillán. No tengo un documento que me indique y compruebe lo que te diré, pero creo que Francisco, nacido en Salamanca, Guanajuato el 1 de octubre de 1698, es hijo de Francisco Morales de Sigala y Juana Espinoza de los Monteros.
Te digo lo anterior porque se que Francisco Morales de Sigala y Juana Espinoza de los Monteros estuvieron cerca de Nochistlán en los años que menciona de 1700 aproximadamente, pues encontré la defunción de Juana Espinoza de los Monteros esposa de Francisco Morales de Sigala en Cuquío, lo cual puede ser muy probable sea el padre del que mencionas.
Curiosamente guardé celosamente el dato anterior porque yo desciendo de unos Sigala de Cuquío, de los cuales no he podido avanzar mucho pues el último dato que tengo es el de José Manuel Sigala, también originario de Salamanca, quien casó en Cuquío en 1724, pero en su registro de matrimonio dice que es hijo de padres no conocidos. Quiero creer que mi ancestro José Manuel Sigala es hijo natural de Francisco Morales de Sigala y por ello no menciona a los padres en su matrimonio, pero si los siguió a su morada en Cuquío y Nochistlán.

Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.

Hello Joan,

Anna Jesús Verdín was married 3 June 1787 and was given a dispensa to marry
the widower of her deceased 4th cousin. The document names her parents.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-59477-47?cc=1874591&wc…

Pascual Verdín Villavicencio Moya was married 9 Sep 1760 in Lagos and the
document names his parents.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18560-26562-40?cc=1874591&wc…

He was baptized as Pascual Joseph Damian on 23 May 1717

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18573-16387-29?cc=1874591&wc…

There is an información matrimonial for Juan Bautista Verdin y Codar and
Maria de Josefa Villavicencio Moya y Monroy in Lagos even though they were
married in Guanajuato.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-6655-25?cc=1874591&wc=…

Saludos,
Armando

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 2:14 AM, wrote:

> I'm new to nuestrosranchos and am still learning. I've been working on my
> family genealogy for a long time, and have finally been able to find
> documentation through familysearch.org (lots of baptism records!)
>
> My 3rd Great Grandmother was named Eduvige Casillas Verdin (1798), her
> mother was Maria Jesus Verdin Romo, or Ana Jesus Berdin (unknown birth
> date), depending on the documents I've found. Her grandfather was Pascual
> Verdin Villavicencio Moya (1717 or 1735, I have found both of these dates
> for him)
>
> Pascual's parents seem to be Juan Bautista Verdin y Codar and Maria de
> Josefa Villavicencio Moya y Monroy, but this is based only on other's
> family tree and not on and documentation.
> I would appreciate any suggestions on finding a good connection between
> Eduvige and Juan Bautista and Maria de Josefa. I feel as if I"m missing a
> generation somewhere between them.
>
> Thank you,
> Joan Ochoa Sullivan
>

It states the following -

"fui residente en Cherokee en los E.U. del N. 11 meses"

Therefore, he is saying Cherokee is in the Estados Unidos del Norte. (United States of the North). He probably didn't use the word America because Mexico is also in America even though both are also in North America.

Armando

Hi there Elvira,
My name is Welester G. Alvarado . I have Tamez in my family line . My Great Grandfather is Bernardo Almaguer Tamez born Aug. 23, 1848 in Villa de Sanitago, Nuevo Leon . His mother Maria Antonia Tamez Tamez born in 1817 also in Santiago .
Antonias father Jose Eugenio Tamez Salazar born 1790 in Sanitago . Eugenios father Juan Crisostomo Tamez Tamez born April 10, 1761 in Santiago. Crisostomos father Gregorio Tamez born 1740 in Santiago .

Im sorry I dont have exact dates on some of these , for the moment this is what I have . Hope its of some use .

Welester

> Hello, Everyone!
>
>
> Can someone give information or contacts with people doing research on the Tamez/Tames families from Nuevo Leon?
> I understand some books about the last name have been published but cannot locate any of them. Can anyone point me in the right direction here as I have no publisher or name of authors but have only heard about the books existing.
>
> Also, does anyone know for sure the origin of the last name? So far all I have found says its either Jewish or Arabic.
>
> Hoping to get a response,
>
>
> Elvira
>
>
>

En testamento otorgado el 24 de noviembre de 1680 ante el escribano Juan de Ceceña y Arias, Juan Macías Valadez declaró ser HIJO NATURAL de Gaspar Macías Valadez y Beatriz Pérez, ya difuntos en esa fecha. Por lo tanto, sabemos que Beatriz Pérez no fue casada con Gaspar Macías, y que no existe una partida de matrimonio para esa pareja.

Saludos,

BILL FIGUEROA

----- Original Message -----
From: edgar_eemo@hotmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 4:00 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] gaspar masias y beatriz perez

hola
alguien sabe quienes son los padres de juan masias esposo de juana saldaña?
juan masias fallecio en 1681 aguascalientes
hay publicaciones donde mencionan que los padres de juan masias son:
gaspar masias valdes y beatriz perez.

pero encontre el matrimonio de un gaspar masias valades con mariana de torres
el 26 y 29 de mayo 1612 en aguascalientes pero no mencionan a los padres.

Hijos de gaspar masias valades y mariana de torres:
maria masias tabera baut 27 enero 1620 aguascalientes
hija legitima de gaspar masias valades y mariana de tabera y torres

Encontre otros matrimonios que pudieran ser hermanos de mariana torres tabera:

agueda tabera y torres casada gernardo de valdilucia en 26 enero 1622 ags
ella hija de nicolas ramirez y polonia de torres.

maria de tabera y felipe masias valadez casada el 1 julio 1618 ags
ella hija de nicolas ramirez y polonia de torres.

la pregunta es : juan masias valades es hijo de gaspar masias valadez y mariana de torres?
beatris peres era la 2 mujer de gaspar masias valadez ?
ya que mariana de torres fallecio en 30 marzo 1622 en aguascalientes.
existe algun documento donde se menciona los padres de juan masias valadez?
y si es asi que son su padres gaspar y mariana torres entonces mariana de torres tabera es hija de nicolas ramirez y polonia torres ?
espero me pudieran ayudar
se los agradeceria mucho
saludos
que tengan un buen dia
bye