Nuestros Ranchos Site

I heard something similar about the Viramontes families in Tlaltenango, 
Zacatecas use to be Miramontes.  Except something to the effect that 
they changed name cause of misunderstanding due to repeated first 
names...

Are you searching Miramontes Family?

- Angie

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, robert hernandez  wrote:
> According to my family oral history/myths and legends . . .in Jalpa, 
Zacatecas . . a segment of the Miramontes family broke away and created 
the Viramontes branch after a dispute over money and resources 
>

Tammy,

Are you still researching your Miramontes family?  How is your progress 
coming along?  Do you know if your father-in-law had a sister named 
Maria Refugio?

Angie

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Tammy Miramontes  wrote:
> 
> Angie, 
> IN reading the list of names that you have searched for, I saw the 
name MIRAMONTES.  That is my last name now.  My father-in-law was from 
Zacatecas.  His parents names were Aurelino & Victoria (magallanes) 
Miramontes.  I believe the ranch they are from is named Los Reales.  
> Just wondering if there is any connection here.
> Tammy

Sorry, I cannot help you.

Also, thank you for the invitation to visit your
uncle, but my wife is having an operation that same
week and I'll be intending her.

Alberto Duarte
Santa Maria, California

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> 
> Does anyone in Southern California (near Long Beach)
> just happen to have 
> a Laptop projector that I can use on Aug 7th during
> a presentation I'm 
> doing during the Roman Diaz reunion?
> 
> You know what they say, "It never hurts to ask. . ."
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
> 


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Does anyone in Southern California (near Long Beach) just happen to have
a Laptop projector that I can use on Aug 7th during a presentation I'm
doing during the Roman Diaz reunion?

You know what they say, "It never hurts to ask. . ."

thanks,

joseph

After I get my DNA analyzed, we can make a comparison.
 It should be interesting.

Alberto Duarte
Santa Maria, California

--- Erlinda Castanon-Long 
wrote:

> 
> I went with Gary Felix's site because they have a
> Mexico board that 
> will keep the records for 25 years and will notify
> me if there are any 
> match's they think are close enough, I've had two
> responses from 
> people with ancestors from Guanajuato besides
> Victor's response. It's 
> the family tree dna site in the messages from the
> past on this message 
> board.
> http://www.familytreedna.com/
> 
> Doing the mtdna was just another step for me in
> putting all the pieces 
> of my family history together. Now if I can just get
> a male member of 
> my family to do the same.  They enjoy the fruits of
> my 5 years of 
> genealogy research but balk at spending money for a
> test...  The rates 
> seem to be within the same range regardless of where
> you have it done, 
> a simple swab of your mouth is

Linda,

My result was no surprise but a confirmation of what I already knew by
word of mouth, particularly from my late grandmother.  You can now
find my folder in the files section.  Unfortunately, my maternal
(mtDNA) branch goes back only to my g2-grandmother: my mother is
Villagrana, her mother Martel, her mother Colunga, and then Alvarado.
 I just haven't been able to break thru that wall.  I suspect that she
has roots in neighboring Nayarit and church records from Nayarit
haven't yet been extracted to the IGI.

Your comments about your mother's eyes and skin are very interesting,
which only shows that physical traits are not necessarily correlated
to DNA haplogroups.

Best regards
Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
 wrote:
> 
> Hi Victor, how exciting to even think that someone from a small group 
> like this could be a 4 marker match even if it happened a while back 
> in time.. I find it amazing!!  I looked into the files but don't

I should have given you this site:

http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm
It's under Dna on our links page..

I went with Gary Felix's site because they have a Mexico board that 
will keep the records for 25 years and will notify me if there are any 
match's they think are close enough, I've had two responses from 
people with ancestors from Guanajuato besides Victor's response. It's 
the family tree dna site in the messages from the past on this message 
board.
http://www.familytreedna.com/

Doing the mtdna was just another step for me in putting all the pieces 
of my family history together. Now if I can just get a male member of 
my family to do the same.  They enjoy the fruits of my 5 years of 
genealogy research but balk at spending money for a test...  The rates 
seem to be within the same range regardless of where you have it done, 
a simple swab of your mouth is all it takes.

Linda in Wa.

Erlinda,

May I ask what company you used for your test and how you went about 
researching the prices, services, etc.?

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long" 
 wrote:
> Good morning,
> 
> Just got my mtdna results back, don't understand most of but my 
> female line is group A which is pre-Columbian, they take it back 
> 30,000 years... guess we've been here a while! The A group extends 
> down into South America so our female Indio ancestor was native 
> born...  Our male ancestors may have been from Spain but they 
> married Native American women along the line.
> 
> This test does not show any of the women from our male lines, just 
> female to female so it doesn't prove our Espanol or Mulato blood 
but 
> the records prove that, so ...I'm happy just having a more complete 
> picture of our family tree. My proven female line is from Jalisco 
> Mexico.
> 
> Has anyone else in this group done the mtdna?
> 
> Linda from Wa.
> 
> HVR1 Haplogroup
>

Hi Victor, how exciting to even think that someone from a small group 
like this could be a 4 marker match even if it happened a while back 
in time.. I find it amazing!!  I looked into the files but don't see 
your genealogy, are you posted here or anywhere else?  I have my 
maternal line on Ancestry family tree.  In a time reference I can only 
take my female line back to abt 1800 and know nothing before that.  My 
mother was Gutierrez, her mother Villanueva, her mother Mendez, her 
mother Fernandez and her mother Barbosa.. the line stops there. To be 
honest I was surprised to find this a native line since my mother was 
blond and blue eyed and her mother was extremely fair too. They were 
from Tamazula Jalisco but the Fernandez line may have come from 
somewhere else. I guess 200 years is nothing compared to a history in 
genetics that goes back 30,000 years.. but we have to start somewhere 
to find we all more alike than different. I did some reading and found 
that a few Eskimo

Linda,

My mtDNA test came also haplogroup A. My maternal great-grandmother
was from the Jalisco area.

Compare our numbers and see that we match on four markers. Not very
close, but it means we share a common female mother thousands of years
ago:

Mine ----Yours

16075C > ------
16111T > ------
16223T > 16223T
16239T > ------
16290T > 16290T
16319A > 16319A
------ > 16335G
16362C > 16362C
------ > 16526A


Saludos
Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
 wrote:
> Good morning,
> 
> Just got my mtdna results back, don't understand most of but my 
> female line is group A which is pre-Columbian, they take it back 
> 30,000 years... guess we've been here a while! The A group extends 
> down into South America so our female Indio ancestor was native 
> born...  Our male ancestors may have been from Spain but they 
> married Native American women along the line.
> 
> This test does not show any of the women from our male lines, just 
> female to

These are cool discussions. Does anyone ever remember what the mom's would do if the "Moiyeda" of a baby would fall? In our family if the soft spot of the top of the baby fell or became sunken I remember seeing some kind of involved procedure where a rag was placed over

Good morning,

Just got my mtdna results back, don't understand most of but my
female line is group A which is pre-Columbian, they take it back
30,000 years... guess we've been here a while! The A group extends
down into South America so our female Indio ancestor was native
born...  Our male ancestors may have been from Spain but they
married Native American women along the line.

This test does not show any of the women from our male lines, just
female to female so it doesn't prove our Espanol or Mulato blood but
the records prove that, so ...I'm happy just having a more complete
picture of our family tree. My proven female line is from Jalisco
Mexico.

Has anyone else in

Joseph:

I don't think that Padrinos were necessarily blood relatives.  I know 
that in my family, neither of my parents' padrinos are close 
relatives.  This is purely based on anecdotal evidence, but I think 
padrinos were often childhood friends, with which the parents had a 
close comeraderie or even respected members of the community (since 
traditionally, these would take in the child should he or she be 
orphaned, etc. and one would want the child to be well raised).

Given the prevelance of clusters of names (due to surnames often 
being assigned to indigenous people, etc.) it is likely that two 
(unrelated) friends in a rancho would have the same surname.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> I know that in most cases the padrinos were members of the family. 
But 
> other than showing this is via examination of the records how do we 
> know? Were there many examples of non blood relatives being the 
> Padrinos? I guess I'm more interested in

My first cousin, from Jerez Zacatecas sent me this
explanation of a
ventosa so I thought I'd share it.  It's a real
combination of
spiritual with physical which is old world... any comment
from the
Dr. in our group?

A ventosa is as follows:  Mother
would get a meduim size water
glass and pour a little

My first cousin, from Jerez Zacatecas sent me this explanation of a 
ventosa so I thought I'd share it.  It's a real combination of 
spiritual with physical which is old world... any comment from the 
Dr. in our group?

 A ventosa is as follows:  Mother would get a meduim size water 
glass and pour a little alcohol  into it and swirl it in the glass; 
then she would light it with a match and immediately place it on the 
area where the sprain was. The heat  would cause the muscle to pull 
upward into the glass and that would release the tension on it. The 
glass would remain there a few seconds and then she would repeat the 
procedure. My husband used to enjoy getting them whenever he had a 
back problem. She used them mostly on the torso. The extremeties she 
would massage with her hands after she applied an ointment. The one 
thing she did not believe in was "el mal de ojo". She called that 
brujerias (witchcraft). This is where they would apply a raw egg on 
the body and this would

Good morning,

Just got my mtdna results back, don't understand most of but my 
female line is group A which is pre-Columbian, they take it back 
30,000 years... guess we've been here a while! The A group extends 
down into South America so our female Indio ancestor was native 
born...  Our male ancestors may have been from Spain but they 
married Native American women along the line.

This test does not show any of the women from our male lines, just 
female to female so it doesn't prove our Espanol or Mulato blood but 
the records prove that, so ...I'm happy just having a more complete 
picture of our family tree. My proven female line is from Jalisco 
Mexico.

Has anyone else in this group done the mtdna?

Linda from Wa.

HVR1 Haplogroup
 A
 
HVR1 differences

from CRS
 16111T
 
  16223T
 
  16290T
 
  16319A
 
  16335G
 
  16362C
 
  16526A
 

 
   
 

I would just like to add a comment to interesting information.  Spain was influenced tremendously by the Mohammedan peoples' occupation.  From 711 a.d. to 1492 a.d. Spain experienced the assimilation of many cultural traditions from Semitic, Arabic- and Aramaic-speaking peoples.  Names, behaviors, foods, etc., were brought to Mexico and other parts of the western hemisphere by the invaders from Spain.  Not everyone who left Spain was a Catholic Christian- willing to kiss the Pope's ring.

Davd in Albany, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Pacorro73@...
Sent: Jul 24, 2005 2:31 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: information on records & "Guardar  Reposo 40 días"

The forty day tradition following childbirth is quite ancient.  It is part of the Mosaic Law, the Law of Moses, and appears in the Old Testament in the Bible.  Without a doubt the ancient Hebrews and other people of the Middle East practiced this tradition, including in Anatolia, modern day Turkey.

great I just went and re-examined the original record and found what I
thought was the 5th of October was really the 25th of October making the
13th of the current month much easier for me to comprehend.

thanks David

joseph

David P. Delgado wrote:

Joseph,

It means "...He was born on Saturday the thirteenth of the current month..."

David in Albany, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes 
Sent: Jul 24, 2005 2:47 PM
To: LosRanchos 
Subject: [ranchos] What does this mean?







"Que nacio Sabado trece del corriente..."



"He was born Saturday the 13th of previous month"



?????????



thanks,



joseph

 


 

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Joseph,

It means "...He was born on Saturday the thirteenth of the current month..."

David in Albany, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes 
Sent: Jul 24, 2005 2:47 PM
To: LosRanchos 
Subject: [ranchos] What does this mean?







"Que nacio Sabado trece del corriente..."



"He was born Saturday the 13th of previous month"



?????????



thanks,



joseph








    


  


  

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