I'm not related either -- that I know of. But I'd love to hear how the
story pans out -- and I too live in the Inland Empire of southern California
in the city of Rancho Cucamonga.
~Deena Ortiz~
I live in Grand Terrace. It is great to meet you and I will tell you how the story ends.
Sylvia Rodriguez Robles
Nicolas has just published his latest book "Historia de Teocaltiche Pueblo de La Region Caxcana Nueva Galicia-Zona de Los Altos de Jalisco". This book covers the history of area as well as naming well known families in the Teocaltiche area.
I live in the Inland Empire of Southern California. My grandfather and all of his siblings fled (because of the Mexican Revolution)Teocaltiche in 1917 for Peach Springs, Arizona and ultimately permanently settling in Needles, CA.
We were told they all fled because they were forced to make saddles and other leather goods such as holsters for Pancho Villa's "Posse." I know from reading history now that General Carranza had orders to kill any Villa symphathizers..I do not know if he is the culprit, other than they fled for their lives under threat of harm.
I just bought and recieved Nicolas Sanchez De Anda's book: "Teocaltiche: La Importancia De Sus Hijos."
I have a small book I bought in 1997 while visitng Teocaltiche, same author, "Teocaltiche: Tierra de Arrieros Y Hacendados Con Familias Ilustres." I bought it from the town cronista who is also the author's uncle?
Page 25 list my great grandfather Mauro Rodriguez as one of the most well known Talabarteros-leathercraftsmen of the present and last century.
Interestingly, I have met on two occasions young women who are Rodriguez from the same town with the same history of leathercraftsmen in ther family history. They are, however, recent immigrants with closer ties to their history. I am the lost tribe I guess. I was treated as a real surpise when I asked the cronista for information on the Rodriguez who were leather craftsmen in town named Rodriguez. First, I was told I could not be from that family, so I said fine give me the other Rodriguezes. No no other just us.
I would like to share this tie with Nicolas De Anda. I mean 80 years of a gap and finding each other just randomly in town. It would be fun to document the tie.
Other names were included as working in thie craft: Aguilera, Arroyo, Garcia, Gonzalez, Rameriz, Sandoval, Rodriguez-Ruiz.
Are any of you out there?
Sylvia Rodriguez Robles
Hi, Sylvia..my name is Raul Santana Cristerna Luna, originally from Needles, Ca. My grandfather came here under the same circumstances as your grandpa. My grandpa was Antonio Santana from Jerez, Zac. His real name was Paulino Acuna Cardenas Cristerna. He settled in Needles, Ca. and ran Santana's Market. His first business was a cantina. Could you tell me more about your Rodriquez family in Needles. I had an uncle named Mauro Rodriquez that lived in Needles and settled in Barstow and died there. Seems like there was a Rodriquez family that ran a meat market on Broadway in Needles...Saludos, Raul Luna
SylviaRodriguezRobles wrote:
I live in the Inland Empire of Southern California. My grandfather and all of his siblings fled (because of the Mexican Revolution)Teocaltiche in 1917 for Peach Springs, Arizona and ultimately permanently settling in Needles, CA.
We were told they all fled because they were forced to make saddles and other leather goods such as holsters for Pancho Villa's "Posse." I know from reading history now that General Carranza had orders to kill any Villa symphathizers..I do not know if he is the culprit, other than they fled for their lives under threat of harm.
I just bought and recieved Nicolas Sanchez De Anda's book: "Teocaltiche: La Importancia De Sus Hijos."
I have a small book I bought in 1997 while visitng Teocaltiche, same author, "Teocaltiche: Tierra de Arrieros Y Hacendados Con Familias Ilustres." I bought it from the town cronista who is also the author's uncle?
Page 25 list my great grandfather Mauro Rodriguez as one of the most well known Talabarteros-leathercraftsmen of the present and last century.
Interestingly, I have met on two occasions young women who are Rodriguez from the same town with the same history of leathercraftsmen in ther family history. They are, however, recent immigrants with closer ties to their history. I am the lost tribe I guess. I was treated as a real surpise when I asked the cronista for information on the Rodriguez who were leather craftsmen in town named Rodriguez. First, I was told I could not be from that family, so I said fine give me the other Rodriguezes. No no other just us.
I would like to share this tie with Nicolas De Anda. I mean 80 years of a gap and finding each other just randomly in town. It would be fun to document the tie.
Other names were included as working in thie craft: Aguilera, Arroyo, Garcia, Gonzalez, Rameriz, Sandoval, Rodriguez-Ruiz.
Are any of you out there?
Sylvia Rodriguez Robles
This is an interesting post. It contains enough history to intrigue
me; unfortunately, I'm not related. Marge:)
On Dec 9, 2007, at 8:42 PM, SylviaRodriguezRobles wrote:
>
> I live in the Inland Empire of Southern California. My grandfather
> and all of his siblings fled (because of the Mexican
> Revolution)Teocaltiche in 1917 for Peach Springs, Arizona and
> ultimately permanently settling in Needles, CA.
> We were told they all fled because they were forced to make saddles
> and other leather goods such as holsters for Pancho Villa's "Posse." I
> know from reading history now that General Carranza had orders to kill
> any Villa symphathizers..I do not know if he is the culprit, other
> than they fled for their lives under threat of harm.
> I just bought and recieved Nicolas Sanchez De Anda's book:
> "Teocaltiche: La Importancia De Sus Hijos."
>
> I have a small book I bought in 1997 while visitng Teocaltiche, same
> author, "Teocaltiche: Tierra de Arrieros Y Hacendados Con Familias
> Ilustres." I bought it from the town cronista who is also the author's
> uncle?
>
> Page 25 list my great grandfather Mauro Rodriguez as one of the most
> well known Talabarteros-leathercraftsmen of the present and last
> century.
>
> Interestingly, I have met on two occasions young women who are
> Rodriguez from the same town with the same history of leathercraftsmen
> in ther family history. They are, however, recent immigrants with
> closer ties to their history. I am the lost tribe I guess. I was
> treated as a real surpise when I asked the cronista for information on
> the Rodriguez who were leather craftsmen in town named Rodriguez.
> First, I was told I could not be from that family, so I said fine give
> me the other Rodriguezes. No no other just us.
>
> I would like to share this tie with Nicolas De Anda. I mean 80 years
> of a gap and finding each other just randomly in town. It would be fun
> to document the tie.
> Other names were included as working in thie craft: Aguilera, Arroyo,
> Garcia, Gonzalez, Rameriz, Sandoval, Rodriguez-Ruiz.
>
> Are any of you out there?
>
> Sylvia Rodriguez Robles
At the website Borderlands Bookstore, enter Anda in the search box and scroll down to 3/4 of the page when it full loads and these are the results:
Item #5068
TEOCALTICHE, La Importancia de Sus Hijos, Tomo I
MEXICO & LATIN AMERICA
Author: Nicolás de Anda Sánchez
Price: $40.00
Shipping: $3.75
Teocaltiche is located in the state of Jalisco near Notchistlan in neighboring Zacatecas. This book is a comprehensive profile of the municipality and its illustrious men and women. Includes biographies of artisans, historians, diplomats, empresarios, writers, clergy, lawyers, judges, etc., along with history and cultural information.Illustrated with black and white photos. Mexico City, 2003 2nd edition corrected and augmented, privately published, 310 Pgs, 7 &1/2 x 10&1/4, PB. Quantity:
Item #5067
TEOCALTICHE, La Importancia de Sus Hijos, Tomo II
MEXICO & LATIN AMERICA
Author: Nicolás de Anda Sánchez
Price: $45.00
Shipping: $3.75
Volume II of this outstanding set covers more aspects of Teocaltiche life and businesses, such as banks, libraries,cultural agencies,schools, theaters, haciendas and their owners, hospitals, etc. Also a section on surrounding towns such as Mexticacán, San Miguel el Alto, Valle de Guadalupe and Villa Hidalgo. Mexico City, 1999 privately published 1st Ed., 446 Pgs., 7&1/4 x 10&1/4, PB.Quantity:
I know of no other bookseller in the U.S. that sells Nicolas' books as my research collegue, Dave had introduced Nicolas to George Farias- the owner of Borderlands Bookstore.
Rose Hardy
Thank you Rose,
Rancho Jabonera, Nochistlan, Zacatecas is where my mother-in-law was born.
It would be nice to have a book that references that area. I'll place my
order with George.
Sincerely,
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rose Hardy"
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nicolas de Anda Sanchez books at
BorderlandsBookstore
>
> At the website Borderlands Bookstore, enter Anda in the search box and
> scroll down to 3/4 of the page when it full loads and these are the
> results:
>
>
> Item #5068
> TEOCALTICHE, La Importancia de Sus Hijos, Tomo I
> MEXICO & LATIN AMERICA
> Author: Nicolás de Anda Sánchez
> Price: $40.00
> Shipping: $3.75
> Teocaltiche is located in the state of Jalisco near Notchistlan in
> neighboring Zacatecas. This book is a comprehensive profile of the
> municipality and its illustrious men and women. Includes biographies of
> artisans, historians, diplomats, empresarios, writers, clergy, lawyers,
> judges, etc., along with history and cultural information.Illustrated with
> black and white photos. Mexico City, 2003 2nd edition corrected and
> augmented, privately published, 310 Pgs, 7 &1/2 x 10&1/4, PB. Quantity:
>
>
> Item #5067
> TEOCALTICHE, La Importancia de Sus Hijos, Tomo II
> MEXICO & LATIN AMERICA
> Author: Nicolás de Anda Sánchez
> Price: $45.00
> Shipping: $3.75
> Volume II of this outstanding set covers more aspects of Teocaltiche life
> and businesses, such as banks, libraries,cultural agencies,schools,
> theaters, haciendas and their owners, hospitals, etc. Also a section on
> surrounding towns such as Mexticacán, San Miguel el Alto, Valle de
> Guadalupe and Villa Hidalgo. Mexico City, 1999 privately published 1st
> Ed., 446 Pgs., 7&1/4 x 10&1/4, PB.Quantity:
>
> I know of no other bookseller in the U.S. that sells Nicolas' books as my
> research collegue, Dave had introduced Nicolas to George Farias- the owner
> of Borderlands Bookstore.
>
> Rose Hardy
Hello,
I´m interested in buying some of the borderlands bookstore titles, but I live in Mexico and don´t know if they sell to Mexico, or just in the US. Do you have any idea about this?
Best Regards
Jose Humberto Suarez Villarreal
Jose,
If you go to the website of Borderlands Bookstore- there is a link to contact George Farias. You can e-mail him directly with your question. In fact I just received a response back from George tonight and he will be contacting Nicolas about his new book and ordering some copies.
Sincerely,
Rose Hardy (Rosanne Gonzales-Hardy)
Fresno, CA
Rosanne,
I checked out the "borderland books," website that you noted, but did not
locate any books written by Nicolás de Anda Sanchez. Are Mr. Sanchez'
books only available by contacting George Farias?
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rose Hardy"
To:
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 10:56 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New book by Nicolas de Anda Sanchez
regardingTeocaltiche, Jalisco
>
> Nicolas has just published his latest book "Historia de Teocaltiche Pueblo
> de La Region Caxcana Nueva Galicia-Zona de Los Altos de Jalisco". This
> book covers the history of area as well as naming well known families in
> the Teocaltiche area.
>
> He mentions owners of haciendas and ranchos. He lists the ranchos in the
> district of Teocaltiche which includes: Agua Blanca, Aguegotita, Alaznas,
> Alconero, Anoria, Atepoca de Arriba, Atepoca de Abajo, Atotonilco, Belen,
> Bocadito, Buenavista Calera, Calerita, Canada del Mezquite,Canada Grande,
> Cienega de los Tejedas, Cofradia, Custique, El Catalan, El Refugio, El
> Santo, El Tablero, Gavilan, Haciendita, Jabonera, Las Animas, Las Trojes,
> Los Amoles, Los Carrillo, Los Gregorios, Mascua, Mendocina, Morisco,
> Nangue, Parras, Paso de Canas, Pedregoso, Pueblito, Puera de Cornejo,
> Rancho Viejo, Rincon de Abajo, Rincon del Zapatero, Rio Chico, Salitre,
> San Antonio, San Marcos, Santa Barbara, Tequesquite de Abajo, Tequesquite
> de Arriba, Villita de Ornelas.
>
> He has a list of Ranchos in Mexticacan and Paso de Sotos also.
>
> My research partner David Valdez y Marquez and I are also listed in
> Nicolas' bibiliography. Dave had shared information with Nicolas during
> our findings while extracting information from films in Aguascalientes,
> Aguascalientes and Teocaltiche, Jalisco. Needless to say Dave and I found
> out we are also related to Nicolas about 11 generations back.
>
> I have contacted George Farias at Borderlands Bookstore in order to obtain
> a copy of this new book. George also sells Nicolas' other two books
> covering Teocaltiche, Jalisco.
>
> http://www.borderlandsbooks.com/index.asp
>
>
> About the author:
>
> http://www.teocaltiche.gob.mx/comunidad/personajes/nicolasdeandasanchez…
>
>
> Rosanne Gonzales-Hardy
> Fresno, CA
I am also looking for a history of San Martin, Zacatecas. I believe the colonists fought in the Chichimeca War. I am researching my Navarro Rodriguez family.
I am also researching Panuco before 1600. I am researching Sepulvedas and General Zavala family.
Does anyone know if the extracting process happens on a film for the IGI do they extract everything or certain records? or just some? My working on my camino line and it appears they come from Pinos, Zac.
I have maternal line ties to Pinos, Zacatecas. I also visited in 1997 and met with the town cronista and bought three books he published. One I gave to a cousin and the balance were borrowed and never returned.
It has been my experience that not all records are extracted, e.g. page by page. I am finding that those records I have been able to decipher, easily, are not on any IGI list. in other reserach for my Jalisoc line, I have found that greatfather now on the IGI. He had not been in the last 10 years.
Sylvia Rodriguez Robles
Sounds like a report card, doesn't it.
I can't believe that it is the 2nd of December - already ... where has the time gone??
Well - this is a kind of report card on what I managed to get done in genealogy research. At the beginning of the year I set some goals for my Zacatecas research. I read many films, but the truth is that I didn't find all the information I had set as my goal. Anyway - here is a listing of the films I went through - most did not have indices, which means having to have read them page by page (zzzzz - my eyes got mighty heavy): (NOTE - all are films of Zacatecas)
Sounds like a report card, doesn't it.
I can't believe that it is the 2nd of December - already ... where has the time gone??
Natalie,
You deserve to be congratulated.......any progress whether major or minor deserves to be acknowledged and recoginized, even when it appears that we don't make any progress and we don't have any significant findings it's still progress. Progress because the process of elimination is also telling, it speaks of where people have not been and tells us to keep looking and look elsewhere etc, etc.
One day I will be able to get back to doing research, don't know when but it's always with me, when it's time I know my ancestors will call me back.
Good luck and good work,
Alicia in San Jose, Calif
I hope somebody can answer this for me. I remember that, a long time ago, on the Yahoo Ranchos group, I downloaded a file that had the results of the INEGI Mexican census for the states of Aguascalientes, Jalisco, and Zacatecas. Later on, I think it was on Jonathan Walker's cd, I saw the complete review for all the states. It included the reported population on every single municipio and every single city, town and rancho in the whole country. Does anybody know where can I find this file? It was in Adobe format.
For those of you who belong to the Mexican FHR Yahoo Group, I have uploaded the Census files for the states of Aguascalientes, Jalisco, and Zacatecas. They are in the file section unnder 2000 Mexican Census. For those of you who do not belong to the group, here the link http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mexicanfhr/ .
For those who would like to still get a copy of my CD, with the rest of Mexico and the many other research tools on it (such the Parisht and Vital Records list for Mexico) contact me at mexicanfhr@gmail.com
Jonathan
The pdf files for the 2000 Mexican census, did come from my Resource CD. Those that would like a copy, can contact me off the list (at mexicanfhr@gmail.com) to make arrangements to get one.
Also, the files for Aguascalientes, Jalisco and Zacatecas, were in the file section on the yahoo Ranchos group.
And the Family History Library does have copies of the same report, for the 1960 and the 1990 census.
Jonathan
Just a note of clarification in case some are not understanding. The pdf
that Steven and Jonathan are referring to only includes information on
the towns and NOT the names of individuals in those towns.
Jonathan has been very gracious and helping to the group, just ask
anyone from the group that has travelled to SLC and met him. He has also
put a lot of work into this great resource. It would be a very very nice
gesture for the receiving parties to offer to compensate him for his
effort in assembling the information on the CD.
joseph
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mexicanfhr wrote:
> The pdf files for the 2000 Mexican census, did come from my Resource CD. Those that would like a copy, can contact me off the list (at mexicanfhr@gmail.com) to make arrangements to get one.
>
> Also, the files for Aguascalientes, Jalisco and Zacatecas, were in the file section on the yahoo Ranchos group.
>
> And the Family History Library does have copies of the same report, for the 1960 and the 1990 census.
>
> Jonathan
I am also interested in getting a copy of the Census; especially for the
state of Zacatecas.
Thanks
Gilbert
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From: Mary Gervassi
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Steave, If you get it can I also have it. I have relatives that were born
in Jalisco and Zacatecas and cannot find them.
Thanks
Mary
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>Sent: Dec 2, 2007 12:24 PM
>To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mexican Census
>
>
>I hope somebody can answer this for me. I remember that, a long time ago,
on the Yahoo Ranchos group, I downloaded a file that had the results of the
INEGI Mexican census for the states of Aguascalientes, Jalisco, and
Zacatecas. Later on, I think it was on Jonathan Walker's cd, I saw the
complete review for all the states. It included the reported population on
every single municipio and every single city, town and rancho in the whole
country. Does anybody know where can I find this file? It was in Adobe
format.
>
>The reason I need it, is because I started volunteering in the 1930 mexican
census project. I am currently indexing pages for the state of Chihuahua,
and some of the localities are hard to read, so I thought that by looking at
the current census listings, I could descipher the name I am looking for.
>
>Hope somebody helps me with this.
>
>Saludos,
>
>Steve.
I am also interested. Please email me at
scooterpie1968@verizon.net
I am interested in both Zacatecas and Jalisco.
Thanks for this opportunity!
Peggy Delgado
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mexican Census
I am also interested in getting a copy of the Census; especially for the
state of Zacatecas.
Thanks
Gilbert
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Steave, If you get it can I also have it. I have relatives that were born
in Jalisco and Zacatecas and cannot find them.
Thanks
Mary
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>From: sgapodaca
>Sent: Dec 2, 2007 12:24 PM
>To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mexican Census
>
>
>I hope somebody can answer this for me. I remember that, a long time ago,
on the Yahoo Ranchos group, I downloaded a file that had the results of the
INEGI Mexican census for the states of Aguascalientes, Jalisco, and
Zacatecas. Later on, I think it was on Jonathan Walker's cd, I saw the
complete review for all the states. It included the reported population on
every single municipio and every single city, town and rancho in the whole
country. Does anybody know where can I find this file? It was in Adobe
format.
>
>The reason I need it, is because I started volunteering in the 1930 mexican
census project. I am currently indexing pages for the state of Chihuahua,
and some of the localities are hard to read, so I thought that by looking at
the current census listings, I could descipher the name I am looking for.
>
>Hope somebody helps me with this.
>
>Saludos,
>
>Steve.
I am not sure if these are the same data that appear on those PDF sheets, but all of the INEGI census data tabulations are online:
http://www.inegi.gob.mx/est/contenidos/espanol/sistemas/conteo2005/loca…
Steave, If you get it can I also have it. I have relatives that were born in Jalisco and Zacatecas and cannot find them.
Thanks
Mary
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>From: sgapodaca
>Sent: Dec 2, 2007 12:24 PM
>To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mexican Census
>
>
>I hope somebody can answer this for me. I remember that, a long time ago, on the Yahoo Ranchos group, I downloaded a file that had the results of the INEGI Mexican census for the states of Aguascalientes, Jalisco, and Zacatecas. Later on, I think it was on Jonathan Walker's cd, I saw the complete review for all the states. It included the reported population on every single municipio and every single city, town and rancho in the whole country. Does anybody know where can I find this file? It was in Adobe format.
>
>The reason I need it, is because I started volunteering in the 1930 mexican census project. I am currently indexing pages for the state of Chihuahua, and some of the localities are hard to read, so I thought that by looking at the current census listings, I could descipher the name I am looking for.
>
>Hope somebody helps me with this.
>
>Saludos,
>
>Steve.
Hello all,
Same here.
Saludos!
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mexican Census
Steave, If you get it can I also have it. I have relatives that were born in Jalisco and Zacatecas and cannot find them.
Thanks
Mary
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>From: sgapodaca
>Sent: Dec 2, 2007 12:24 PM
>To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mexican Census
>
>
>I hope somebody can answer this for me. I remember that, a long time ago, on the Yahoo Ranchos group, I downloaded a file that had the results of the INEGI Mexican census for the states of Aguascalientes, Jalisco, and Zacatecas. Later on, I think it was on Jonathan Walker's cd, I saw the complete review for all the states. It included the reported population on every single municipio and every single city, town and rancho in the whole country. Does anybody know where can I find this file? It was in Adobe format.
>
>The reason I need it, is because I started volunteering in the 1930 mexican census project. I am currently indexing pages for the state of Chihuahua, and some of the localities are hard to read, so I thought that by looking at the current census listings, I could descipher the name I am looking for.
>
>Hope somebody helps me with this.
>
>Saludos,
>
>Steve.
I receive a newsletter weekly from Pat Gooldy of Ye Olde Genealogy Shoppe. The following is an excerpt from her latest newsletter that I thought I should share with the group.
Emilie
I belong to an online newsletter called "Librarians Serving Genealogists", which comes out daily with interesting information and inquiries. It is a free newsletter and, although anyone can join it, it is aimed mostly at genealogical librarians. The general public will find the information of limited use. They do not answer research questions from the general public. Recent inquiries and answers concern how to give a lecture on the services offered by (and differences) between Ancestry.Com and ProQuest, what services and materials area are needed when setting up a new genealogy library, how to interact more with the public etc.
Thanks for clarifying Joseph. I thought it was names...but I still would like the census. It's good information to have!
Peggy
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8. Latin American Pamphlet Digital Collection
http://vc.lib.harvard.edu/vc/deliver/home?_collection=LAP
Over the centuries, thousands of pamphlets have been published to serve
various purposes. Some have been preserved by individuals and prescient
Joseph,
Thanks for the link to the Latin American Pamphlet Collection. I found an
interesting document entitled "Memoria Historica sobre el Canal de
Nicaragua" written in 1845 by my fellow countryman Alejandro Marure, a well
known historian from Guatemala. I downloaded the entire document which I
plan to read as soon as I get some free time. As you probably know, the
project to build a canal through Nicaragua preceded the Panama Canal, which
was completed in 1914. Although never pursued due to seismic faults and
volcanic activity, the crossing of the isthmus through Nicaragua was used
during the gold rush (1848-1856) when thousands of Americans sailed from New
York, Philadelphia, Boston and other ports along the eastern seaboard, and
headed west to San Francisco. There was no inter-oceanic railroad in the US
and it took many months to cross by land, with many attacks by the indians.
The Nicaragua Canal would have been at sea-level, without any need for
locks, flooding or blowing up mountains, like in Panama. Most of the
navigation in Nicaragua would've been on the San Juan River and lake
Nicaragua. Only a short canal from the southern end of the lake to the
Pacific ocean would have been required (about 12 km long), but it would've
been necessary to keep dredging the river almost continuously due to the
accumulation of silt during the rainy season.
Anyway, that's another story. I just wanted to let you know that I found
many interesting documents in the Harvard pamphlet collection, many related
to Mexico. Thanks again for the link.
Bill Figueroa
Por medio de este foro quisiera saber mas acerca del origuen del Apellido Tavares, mi ancestro mas remoto es Eligio Tavares de Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, anteriormente llamado Santa Maria de los Lagos , Jalisco.
Thank you! My brother spent years looking into my mom's side of the family. I know it was a lot of work. This is excellent advice. I will pursue it. I know that this type of research requires verification after verification. If, Librada, Pabla & Porfirio were aunts & uncle to my grandfather, then I may be seeing where my grandfather's name came from. But, I don't want to jump to conclusions, so I need to get the records you referenced. I appreciate your help. Thanks.
I am researching my grandfathers branch of the family tree. I have considerable oral information. Enough to get started at least. Here is what I know of my grandfather. His name was Pablo Macias.
This is what I found on your Anastacia Jacinto
Individual Record
FamilySearch™ Vital Records Index
Mexico
Anastasia JACINTA
Age At Marriage: 23
Sex:
Event(s):
Birth: <1856>
Place: Guadalajara
Parents:
Father: Vicente JACINTO
Mother: Refugio MARQUES
Marriage:
Spouse: Justo MACIAS
Age At Marriage: 30
Marriage: 18 Feb 1879
Place: Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
Source Information:
Batch Number: M603685
Source Dates: 1853 - 1893
Film or Fiche Number: 439374
Collection Details: Catolica
I actually believe that Jacinto is their last name.
I found one of Anastacia's brothers. Porfirio.
Individual Record
FamilySearch™ Vital Records Index
Mexico
Porfirio JACINTO
Age At Marriage: 22
Sex:
Event(s):
Birth: <1866>
Place: Guadalajara
Parents:
Father: Vicente JACINTO
Mother: Refugio MARQUEZ
Marriage:
Spouse: Juana SANCHES
Age At Marriage: 20
Marriage: 09 May 1888
Place: Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
Individual Record
FamilySearch™ Vital Records Index
Mexico
Juana SANCHES
Age At Marriage: 20
Sex:
Event(s):
Birth: <1868>
Place: Guadalajara
Parents:
Father: Manuel SANCHES
Mother: Josefa LUGO
Marriage:
Spouse: Porfirio JACINTO
Age At Marriage: 22
Marriage: 09 May 1888
Place: Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
Source Information:
Batch Number: M603685
Source Dates: 1853 - 1893
Film or Fiche Number: 439374
Collection Details: Catolica
I also found Anastacia's baptism. O think it must be her. This place isnt too far from Jesus Maria. also her sister Manuela
Maria Anastacia
Pedigree
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
26 JAN 1856
San Pedro Piedra Gorda, Ciudad Manuel Doblado, Guanajuato, Mexico
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father:
Vicente Jacinto
Family
Mother:
Refugia Marques
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:
C606947
1854 - 1858
0661310
Film
NONE
Sheet:
1. MA. MANUELA JACINTO MARQUEZ - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Female Christening: 18 APR 1852 San Pedro Piedra Gorda, Ciudad Manuel Doblado, Guanajuato, Mexico
Not Sure if your Justo came from Guanajuato but these could be his siblings. Since his
wife Anastacia would be possibly been born there.
3. JOSE FELIPE MACIAS GUZMAN - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Male Christening: 28 NOV 1844 San Pedro Piedra Gorda, Ciudad Manuel Doblado, Guanajuato, Mexico
4. Maria Estanislada - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Female Christening: 15 MAY 1856 San Pedro Piedra Gorda, Ciudad Manuel Doblado, Guanajuato, Mexico-Daniel Mendez del Camino
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Steve:
Welcome to the group and congratulations on your early finds. I am sure you will realize that this becomes a never ending quest with each discovery and confirmation only opening up more questions and opportunities for further research.
One thing that I would suggest is that if you have not yet looked at the actual baptism record for your grandfather Pablo Macias, you order the relevant film and look at it. In the archdiocese of Guadalajara, all baptisms were required to list the names of the four grandparents beginning around 1810... thus his baptism should confirm his maternal grandparents' names.
The pattern of Jacinto being used as the daughters surname... changed to Jacinta was not uncommon especially among indigenous people who otherwise lacked a surname, i.e. the second name became the surname. Vicente appears to not have had a surname since in the baptism of his daughter Librada he is listed with no surname.
If Anastacia Jacinta is indeed your ancestor, these would be her siblings:
Librada JACINTO - Vital Records Index
Gender: F Marriage: 09 Jan 1884 Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
LIBRADA N. MARQUES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 AUG 1864 Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
Pabla JACINTO - Vital Records Index
Gender: F Marriage: 15 Oct 1884 Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
Porfirio JACINTO - Vital Records Index
Gender: M Marriage: 09 May 1888 Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico
Buenas tardes a todos!
Este es mi primer post y me da mucho gusto finalmente formar parte de Nuestros Ranchos. Tengo casi 10 an~os trabajando en el arbol genealogico y ya tengo como 1500 personas en el. Es muy interesante ver como todo mundo en Nuestros Ranchos es "familia" de un modo u otro. Mis familias incluyen: de Moctezuma, Hermosillo, Gutierrez de Hermosillo, Gonzalez de Hermosillo, Ruiz de Esparza, Romo, Romo del Vivar, Enriquez, Gomez, Munoz de la Barba, Ramirez de Mendoza, Samaniego, Soria, Reynoso etc etc
Hola Sandra ,como esta ? Ojala que bien. Yo me llamo Ronnie Reynoso vivo en Claremont, California. Mis gentes son de Los Altos de Jalisco. Yo traigo las mismas lineas que usted.
de Moctezuma ,Hermosillo,Gutierrez de Hermosillo,Gonzalez de Hermosillo ,Ruiz de Esparza,
Romo de Vivar,Gomez (de Mendoza),Munoz de Barba ,Ramirez de Mendoza,y Reynoso.Su Linea de
Reynoso es de Zacatecas por lado de Moyahua me imagino. Bueno te esplico que hubo dos hermanos ,uno que se llamaba Francisco Reynoso que se caso con una Josefa Renteria y se quedaron en Jalisco y su hermano Diego Reynoso se caso con la hermana Margarita Renteria y se quedaron en Zacatecas.Todos Los Reynoso son los mismos pero no se la coneccion suya con Diego Reynoso pero estoy seguro que es su antepasado.
Su Pariente Nuevo y
pariente a casi todos de Los Altos de Jalisco
Ronnie Reynoso Hermosillo
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: sandragomezmendoza@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:36:15 -0800> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familias de Juchipila, Zac antes del 1800> > > Buenas tardes a todos!> > Este es mi primer post y me da mucho gusto finalmente formar parte de Nuestros Ranchos. Tengo casi 10 an~os trabajando en el arbol genealogico y ya tengo como 1500 personas en el. Es muy interesante ver como todo mundo en Nuestros Ranchos es "familia" de un modo u otro. Mis familias incluyen: de Moctezuma, Hermosillo, Gutierrez de Hermosillo, Gonzalez de Hermosillo, Ruiz de Esparza, Romo, Romo del Vivar, Enriquez, Gomez, Munoz de la Barba, Ramirez de Mendoza, Samaniego, Soria, Reynoso etc etc> > Ahora vivimos en San Antonio, TX pero las ultimas 4 generaciones de mi familia son de Juchipila, Amoxochitl, Moyahua y Apozol, Zac. Por historias de los abuelos se que durante la revolucion se perdieron muchos registros y pues he topado con una pared. Se que originalment
e llegaron de Aguascalientes y Jalisco pero hay como 150 an~os que no he podido encontrar. Especialmente me interesan los Enriquez, Samaniego, Soria, Reynoso y Esparza del area de Juchipila, Amoxochitl, Moyahua y Apozol de entre el 1650 y 1800.> > Alguno de ustedes tiene alguna idea de como pudiera encontrar mas info?> > Gracias!> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
Hi Ronnie,
Gracias por responder. Si, me imagino que los Reynoso vienen de Diego pero no he podido confirmarlo porque hay como 100 años de informacion de Juchipila que no he podido encontrar...
Mis abuelos contaban que se habian perdido en la revolucion, no se que tendra de cierto.
Saludos!
I just returned last night from a visit to my parents' home in Mexico and had the pleasure of spending a couple of days in the archives in Guadalajara with the town historian (cronista) of Totatiche, Esteban Valdes Salazar. We visited the Biblioteca Publica del Estado as well as the Archivo Historico del Estado de Jalisco.
Arturo, what a wonderful job you've done, Congratulations. One question, is your book in Spanish only? I'm especially interested in your Caldera lines since I have 4 Caldera grandmothers married into my lines in Jerez. I can read enough Spanish to do a record but have a really hard time with books.
thank you and congratulations again, Linda Castanon-Long
arturoramos wrote:
I just returned last night from a visit to my parents' home in Mexico and had the pleasure of spending a couple of days in the archives in Guadalajara with the town historian (cronista) of Totatiche, Esteban Valdes Salazar. We visited the Biblioteca Publica del Estado as well as the Archivo Historico del Estado de Jalisco.
The former archive has the archives of the Real Audiencia de Guadalajara, including records of civil and criminal legal proceedings. At that archive, I was able to locate a copy of the 1711 will of Pedro Carlos de Godoy, which was included as part of the litigation documentation over that will. A transcription of the will is included in my file folder. It includes a wealth of genealogical information about the Carlos de Godoy family as well as some interesting information about customs related to property and inheritance. For example, he takes account of what each of his two wifes brought the respective marriages, compared to his wealth, presumably to show that what he was willing was in fact his and not his wife's... Also he leaves his unmarried daughters a disproportionate amount of wealth, presumably so that they can pay their dowries, which he makes clear he had paid for his married daughters.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/13649
The latter archive includes the Fondo de Tierras y Aguas which includes "mercedes de tierra" or land grants made by the Spanish Crown as well as later divisions, sale and clarification of land boundaries. The collection has many documents related to families in our region. I reviewed the indices which the archive has compiled on the collection, paying special attention to the Jerez and Tlaltenango jurisdictions and read through a couple of documents related to land grants to Francisco Escobedo and Felipe Lemus... This collection is all filmed and available through LDS though a good index is key.
Linda:
Yes my book is only in Spanish. Believe me it was difficult for me to write it in Spanish but I figured its audience in that language was important and wanted to challenge myself a bit.
The genealogical tables however are all in standard Ahnentafel format and therefore do not require any language knowledge to interpret.
If you are interested in purchasing the book, you can do so directly from the publisher at:
http://www.lulu.com/content/457051
As for the Caldera name, one of Miguel Caldera's nephews through his sister Maria Cid seems to be a major progenitor of this name. However, there were many indigenous people who took the name as a sort of homage to the man who brought peace and was partly of their blood (He was the son of a Chichimec mother). There was in fact one Guachichil chief who took his exact name "Miguel Caldera."
I need help, since everyone know that I descend from Don Juan del Camino, hidalgo who was the preseident de la audencia and grandchild of Juan Camino, a hidalgo who was the register and conquistador had a coat of arms. I would love to see my families coat of arms. Finally a line with proof and evidence with coat of arms its a fun breakthrough! I got hte coat of arms from Pares but cant seem to see it. Its sys its microfilmed. I want to know the microfilm number can someone point it out. Here is all the info. The family line currently ends at Juan I Camino's father who is Garcia del Camino, hidalgo born around
Daniel,
I recently found a reference to Juan del Camino in an obscure document from the old Archivo de Tierras y Aguas de Guadalajara. The document, dated 4 October 1789, doesn't have any information about him, only a reference:
"En el Valle de Vanderas Jurisdicion de tepic en beinte y cuatro dias del mes de octubre de mil setecientos ochenta y nueve años ante mi Don Manuel Gonzales de Villa las [illegible] de este valle por dn Juan del Camino Alcalde mayor y [de] la Santa Hermandad por su Magestad que Dios guarde...etc.".
This reference is on page 77.5 of a "legajo de documentos" included in film No. 270075 of the Archivo de Instrumentos Públicos de Guadalajara, Antiguo Archivo de Tierras y Aguas. I'm not sure this is your ancestor, but I took note of it anyway.
I think the Tepic in this document is the capital of the present State of Nayarit. The city is located among the rugged mountains of the Sierra Madre, a few miles north of Santiago de Compostela. Tepic is a very old city, founded in 1531. As you probably know, Santiago de Compostela was the very first capital of the "Reyno de la Nueva Galicia". The capital was later moved to Nochistlán and finally to Guadalajara. The first expeditions to establish presidios (military posts) and catholic missions in Alta California (along the coast from San Diego to San Francisco) originated in that area. Fray Junípero Serra started his trip in Santiago de Compostela and spent several months in Tepic preparing for his trip. The convent where he stayed is now a museum. The exploration parties to colonize Alta California sailed from the Port of San Blas, founded by the Spanish crown, precisely for the conquest and settlement of the Alta California. The history of this area is closely related to the history of your home state of California, which was part of Mexico until the mid 19th century.
What do you know about your Juan del Camino? Could this be one of his descendants?
Bill Figueroa
Daniel:
I recently ordered copies of a number of maps from Archivo General de Indias that were microfilmed and not digitized. I think the reason may be that such documents are usually odd sizes and in color and the digitization, as you may have noticed scans standard sized (page size) documents in black and white.
It has been a long process. I wrote them via email asking for an official quote for reproduction (on high definition fiche) of the relevant documents.. you can also get photocopies on A4 paper if you like. Once I got the quote (which was snail mailed to me) I had to get a Euro-demoninated bank draft issued in order to pay for the copies and mail it back with the acceptance of the quote.
Overall it has been slow but not too expensive... getting the Euro-denominated bank draft cost more than the three fiche.
You can write me privately if you need more details as to how to go about it.
Yolanda,
My grandfather Antonio Portillo was born in Santa Rosalia in 1888. Would you
be so kind as to look in your data base for any information concerning this
part of my family. On his mother's side the surname is either Gamero,
Here is a map I've shared with the group before but there are more
members now than then:
http://www.archive.org/download/NFU2007/IstDraft2_copy.jpg
thanks go to Gloria Delgado for getting this map from the Bancroft
Se abre la Convocatoria al Concurso “Historias de Migrantes”
A partir del 15 de noviembre y hasta el 15 de febrero de 2008 estará abierta la convocatoria al segundo concurso de narrativa “Historias de Migrantes”.
I am searching for any decendents of Simon Macias my grandfather born in the
are of San Juan de los Lagos Jal. born about 1889. His parents were Simon
Macias and Sostenes Guerra. Any leads are appreciated.
You need to go to your local Family History Center and order some of
these films. To find your local family history center go to
www.familysearch.org
joseph
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Title
*Registros parroquiales, 1710-1957*
Authors
*Iglesia Católica. San Juan Bautista (San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco)
(Main Author)*
Notes
*Microfilme de manuscritos en el archivo de la parroquia.
Parish registers of baptisms, confirmations, marriage petitions,
marriages, and deaths from San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico.*
Subjects
* México, Jalisco, San Juan de los Lagos - Church records*
Format
* Manuscript (On Film)*
Language
* Spanish*
Publication
* Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmados por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah,
1957*
Physical
* 259 carretes de microfilme ; 35 mm.*
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sergio meza wrote:
> I am searching for any decendents of Simon Macias my grandfather born in the
> are of San Juan de los Lagos Jal. born about 1889. His parents were Simon
> Macias and Sostenes Guerra. Any leads are appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sergio Meza
>
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Hello. My name is Maria Huerta. I have been researching my family for a few years now of and on. My family comes from a little ranchito in the hills of Zacatecas, from Cosalima, Tabasco, Zacatecas to be exact. The names I am focusing on at the moment are Huerta, Medina (my father and mother), Avila and Muñoz (my grandmothers).
I have been able to trace the Huerta line back pretty far to around the early 1820's and thats where I hit a dead end, but 5 generations isn't bad.
I am not having the same luck with the others though. For Medina I only have 2 generations, for Avila I have 2 or 3 (I have some fact checking to do with my aunt) and for Muñoz I have 4. Luckly my great-grandmother on the Muñoz side and my great-grandmother on the Huerta side were sisters, so alot of it is replicated. And yes that means I am related to my self. (eeeww)
Hola. Me llamo Maria Huerta. He estado investigando mi familia durante unos pocos años. Mi familia viene de un ranchito pequeño en los cerros de Zacatecas; mas preciso de Cosalima, Tabasco, Zacatecas.
Los apellidos que estoy investigando son Huerta, Medina (mi padre y madre), Avila y Muñoz (mis abuelas). He podido trazar la línea de Huerta bastante, a alrededor de los años de 1820. Ayi me quede, pero 5 generaciones no son malas.
No he tenido la misma suerte con los otros. Para Medina sólo tengo 2 generaciones, para Avila tengo 2 o 3 (tengo algunos datos que verifica con mi tía) y para Muñoz tengo 4. Suerte que mi bisabuela en el lado de Muñoz y mi bisabuela en el lado de Huerta fueron hermanas, de modo que mucha información es replicada. Y sí esto significa que soy pariente de mi misma. (eeeww)
Hola! My name is Maria Del Pilar Felix but everyone calls me Pilar. I am new to this site and I am very happy to be able to work in my geneology.
Now I am focusing in Aguascalientes, looking for my husband's greatgreatgrandparents. I am looking for Cesario Salas parents, so far I had that his dad was Rufino Salas and his mother was Manuela Delgado or Verado. I found a film from Calvillo, Aguascalientes (LDS Church 635766) from Cesario's marriage in Jul. 03, 1833 that has his parets names and also his wife name and her family, but from here I don't know where to look. If anyone can help me and let me know where can I search.Thank you, Pilar
Hello Pilar, I am Daniel Mendez del Camino, I also have many many ancestors
from Calvillo, your husband might be related to me through Cesario's Wife;
Maria de velasco. As I have seen it now in Calvillo all the Velascos share a
common ancestor in that region and I think its Francisco de Velasco but not
sure. Anyway I am currently viewing the film that you need so if you want I
can look at it and even find more generations. I can possibly help you get
the Salas and Velasco lines to at least 1750 or so. I hope I can help.
Daniel Mendez del Camino
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Hola Daniel,
I am hoping that someone can help me. The only thing I know is that she got
married to Cesario Salas, on 03 Jul 1833 in Vicaria de Ojo Calente y
Mineral, Aguascalientes, México, she was 16 at the time. Therefore, she was
born about 1818. Her parents were Luis Velasco & Maria Saturnina Macias.
They had about 8 kids, their names are: Maria Gerarda (christening-date 10
Oct. 1803), Jose Eugenio (christening-27 Nov 1805), Maria
Josefa(christening-29 Nov. 1807), Jose Eugenio(christening-25 Mar.1810),
Jose Casimiro(birthday-2 Mar 1813), Maria Claudia Jesus(birthday 07 Jul.
1815), Maria San Jose de la Cruz(christening-26 Nov.1817), and Maria de
Jesus Velasco Macias about 1818. One of her brothers, Jose Eugenio(the 2nd
one) his christening was in Nochistlan, Zacatecas and the others in
Calvillo, Aguascalientes. I could not find the christening or the birthday
records of Maria de Jesus Velasco.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Mendez"
To:
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction
> Hello Pilar, I am Daniel Mendez del Camino, I also have many many
> ancestors
> from Calvillo, your husband might be related to me through Cesario's Wife;
> Maria de velasco. As I have seen it now in Calvillo all the Velascos share
> a
> common ancestor in that region and I think its Francisco de Velasco but
> not
> sure. Anyway I am currently viewing the film that you need so if you want
> I
> can look at it and even find more generations. I can possibly help you get
> the Salas and Velasco lines to at least 1750 or so. I hope I can help.
> Daniel Mendez del Camino
>
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Hello, Pillar,
I read with interest that there are DELGADOS in your family. The DELGADOS in my research were in TAMAULIPAS by the 1800's, but I am sure not all members of one family came to NUEVO SANTANDER, and they surely left lots of relatives where they came from.
If you know more about MANUELA DELGADO and her family I would like to hear from you.
Thanks!
Juanita G.Delgado
Hola! My name is Maria Del Pilar Felix but everyone calls me Pilar. I am new to this site and I am very happy to be able to work in my geneology.
Now I am focusing in Aguascalientes, looking for my husband's greatgreatgrandparents. I am looking for Cesario Salas parents, so far I had that his dad was Rufino Salas and his mother was Manuela Delgado or Verado. I found a film from Calvillo, Aguascalientes (LDS Church 635766) from Cesario's marriage in Jul. 03, 1833 that has his parets names and also his wife name and her family, but from here I don't know where to look. If anyone can help me and let me know where can I search.Thank you, Pilar
Hola Juanita,
The only thing that I have of Manuel Delgado is that she was married to
Rufino Salas they are the parents of Cesario Salas. I found the kids from
Cesario in the film FHL 635766 1830-1839 batch J602676 for exe: Paulina de
la Luz Salas. Through her Christening record Jun. 23, 1834 in Calvillo,
Aguascalientes and her brother Lucas del Refugio Salas in 18 Oct. 1836. I
am trying to find Manuela's marriage date with Rufino Salas. I don't know if
she is from the same region that her son Cesario Salas if from (Villa de
Calvillo, Aguascalientes, México)
----- Original Message -----
From: "juanita delgado"
To:
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction
> Hello, Pillar,
>
> I read with interest that there are DELGADOS in your family. The DELGADOS
> in my research were in TAMAULIPAS by the 1800's, but I am sure not all
> members of one family came to NUEVO SANTANDER, and they surely left lots
> of relatives where they came from.
> If you know more about MANUELA DELGADO and her family I would like to
> hear from you.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Juanita G.Delgado
>
>
> Hola! My name is Maria Del Pilar Felix but everyone calls me Pilar. I am
> new to this site and I am very happy to be able to work in my geneology.
> Now I am focusing in Aguascalientes, looking for my husband's
> greatgreatgrandparents. I am looking for Cesario Salas parents, so far I
> had that his dad was Rufino Salas and his mother was Manuela Delgado or
> Verado. I found a film from Calvillo, Aguascalientes (LDS Church 635766)
> from Cesario's marriage in Jul. 03, 1833 that has his parets names and
> also his wife name and her family, but from here I don't know where to
> look. If anyone can help me and let me know where can I search.Thank you,
> Pilar
Pilar and Felix,
Thanks for replying. There are sooo many names to look upj. It's like it never ends. I thought I was pretty much "done" with my research, but I just can't pass up any new leads. I am sorry your names don't ring a bell.
Thanks!
Juanita
Pablo & Pilar Felix wrote:
Hola Juanita,
The only thing that I have of Manuel Delgado is that she was married to
Rufino Salas they are the parents of Cesario Salas. I found the kids from
Cesario in the film FHL 635766 1830-1839 batch J602676 for exe: Paulina de
la Luz Salas. Through her Christening record Jun. 23, 1834 in Calvillo,
Aguascalientes and her brother Lucas del Refugio Salas in 18 Oct. 1836. I
am trying to find Manuela's marriage date with Rufino Salas. I don't know if
she is from the same region that her son Cesario Salas if from (Villa de
Calvillo, Aguascalientes, México)
----- Original Message -----
From: "juanita delgado"
To:
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction
> Hello, Pillar,
>
> I read with interest that there are DELGADOS in your family. The DELGADOS
> in my research were in TAMAULIPAS by the 1800's, but I am sure not all
> members of one family came to NUEVO SANTANDER, and they surely left lots
> of relatives where they came from.
> If you know more about MANUELA DELGADO and her family I would like to
> hear from you.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Juanita G.Delgado
>
>
> Hola! My name is Maria Del Pilar Felix but everyone calls me Pilar. I am
> new to this site and I am very happy to be able to work in my geneology.
> Now I am focusing in Aguascalientes, looking for my husband's
> greatgreatgrandparents. I am looking for Cesario Salas parents, so far I
> had that his dad was Rufino Salas and his mother was Manuela Delgado or
> Verado. I found a film from Calvillo, Aguascalientes (LDS Church 635766)
> from Cesario's marriage in Jul. 03, 1833 that has his parets names and
> also his wife name and her family, but from here I don't know where to
> look. If anyone can help me and let me know where can I search.Thank you,
> Pilar
Hello!
I'm researching family from Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. Surnames are
Reyes, Santoyo and Castorena.
Pleased to be here!
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Hello!
I'm researching family from Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. Surnames are
Santoyo, Castorena and Reyes.
This is a re-post, with apologies, somehow I posted my last into as a tag
onto someone else's re-introduction.
Annette Avila Nunez
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Annette,
Welcome to the wonderful world of Nuestros Ranchos. I'm not personally researching Aguascalientes but I've learned the farther back you go in your reseach the more parts of Mexico you find your families living in!
Linda in B.C.
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Hello!
I'm researching family from Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. Surnames are
Santoyo, Castorena and Reyes.
This is a re-post, with apologies, somehow I posted my last into as a tag
onto someone else's re-introduction.
Annette Avila Nunez
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My name is Irene, better known as Kelly by my family and friends. I live in Southern Utah but my husband and I are gone from home a great deal. We will be leaving again most likely sometime next week to visit a daughter in the state of Washington. We will spend some time there and then travel to California for Christmas where we have a son in the Oxnard area. After that I am not sure what we will do. We do take are computers, printers with us. We also have the internet when traveling.
My maternal grandfather and his ancesctors are from Zacatecas, my grandfather was born in Moyahua. My grandfather is Francisco Reynoso o Renteria, born in 1885. His father is Gabino Reynoso o Renteria, his birth taking place in 1858, Moyahua. Gabino's dad is Gregorio Reynoso o Renteria who married Maria Merced Ponce. Gregorio was born in 1823. He married Maria Norberta Romero. Gregorio's father is Silverio of Zacatecas, born about 1771. He married Maria Gregoria Carrillo of Moyahua. Gregoria's parents are: Jose Miguel Carrillo and Maria Geronima de Luna.
My mother used to relate to me that Gregorio's father died when Gregorio was very young and that a family with the surname Renteria took him in and raised him. He was so grateful for their acts of kindness that he took on the Renteria name in their honor. I question this somewhat as I have searched the records, I have found that even Silverio is known as Renteria. Many of the documents I have seen list both names. There may have been an adoption, but I believe it is further back in time.
My mother's people come from the state of Aguascaclientes. Some of her surnames are: Pulido, de Loera, de Luera, Reyes, Serrano, Romo de Vibar, Castorena, Ruiz de Esparsa and the list goes on. Will write more on my mother's lines later. Now I have to see to my husband who just fell off a ladder. He was on the second to the top step.
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My name is Ramon, Barrios Miranda,http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16372
First I would like to apologize to Mr. Puentes for jumping the gun on my previous intoduction, and to say thanks, for allowing me to join the group.
I'm researching both my father's and my mother's side of the family.
My grandfather's ( Juan Mejia Miranda) family was originally from el rancho de Señor de Roma, Jerez Zacatecas. He was in the U.S. from 1916 to 1933, While living in southern California, he had several children, one being my father Ramon. When Juan returned to Mexico, they settled in Calera de Victor Rosales, Zacatecas.
My mother's family (Barrios) were from Juancho Rey, Tepetongo, Zacatecas. They also settled in Calera. This is where my parents grew up,and later married. My wife is from there also, and we still have family there. My father brought our family to the U.S. in 1962.
I took a break from my research for awhile, and now I'm trying to get back into it, back to the questions I left off at. Maybe someone from the group might have some input.
My paternal line is : Ramon Mejia Miranda f. (1922-1997) Juan Mejia Miranda gf (1896-1977) He married Juana Mejia. Simon ggf (1868-1900) he married Altagracia Vega, Felipe gggf (a- 1844) he married Maria Ladislao Mejia, and Pedro Miranda ggggf (a-1820) he married Maria Marcos Perez.
I'm trying to find records for a direct connection between Felipe and Pedro, and on back from there. So far, I've only found Pedro referenced as the grandfather in his decentents's birth or babtism records. I've been unable to find a marriage record for him, or his two sons, Esteban and Felipe ( why only two sons)? I need a direct connection (vital records) to this particular "Pedro Miranda".
My maternal line is: Gregorio Barrios gf (1894-1972) he married Vicenta Hernandez, Cosme ggf (1868-a1904) he married Timotea Reyes, Mucio gggf (a1825) he married Francisca Miranda, Ciriaco ggggf (a1804)he married Gabriela Robles.
Thank you, and have a safe and happy Thanksging Day Holiday
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Dear Marge,
My great-great-grandfather Antonio Frias Jasso moved to Tepic in 1848,
shortly after my great-great grandmother Refugio Ruiz de Esparza died in
Aguascalientes while giving birth to my great-grandmother Josefa Frias
Can anyone tell me if Santa Rosalia is anywhere near AugaCalientes? I have Garcia family from that area, but I can't seem to find any record with the actual name of Santa Rosalia, except for the birth cert.
Lupe
Three of my grandparents were from that area Santa Rosalia de Camargo, Chih. I have a small database for that area and if you give me the names that you are looking for I will try and find some info for you. Just give me a little information about them, a timeframe parents whatever you have. HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO YOU AND ALL THE RANCHOS GROUP
Yolanda Medina Perez from El Paso
Lupe Kerr wrote:
Can anyone tell me if Santa Rosalia is anywhere near AugaCalientes? I have Garcia family from that area, but I can't seem to find any record with the actual name of Santa Rosalia, except for the birth cert. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks Lupe
Yolanda,
Thank you for your reply in helping me look for my family. First, I
see you are
from El Paso, I was born and raised there. What a small world.
Anyway, I am looking for Cruz Bustamante Born 16, Aug. 1883 in Santa
Rosalia, D.
1-May-1931. I know his grave in El Paso. He married Rafaela Garcia 1896. I
believe at Guardian Angel Church in EP. Rafiela (another spelling) was born
16, Aug. 1883. I believe also in the Santa Rosala area. She died in El paso.
My problem is I can't seem to find anything beyond my great grandfather
Cruz. I
also can't find much on Rafaela's brothers or sisters. I have only one known
sister, Ramona Garcia. Never married or children, born and died in El Paso.
Any help would be appreciated. I've never given out info for help, so
I hope I
gave you what you might need. Thanks again. Lupe
Quoting Yolanda Bobby Perez :
> Lupe
>
> Three of my grandparents were from that area Santa Rosalia de
> Camargo, Chih. I have a small database for that area and if you give
> me the names that you are looking for I will try and find some info
> for you. Just give me a little information about them, a timeframe
> parents whatever you have. HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO YOU AND ALL THE
> RANCHOS GROUP
>
> Yolanda Medina Perez from El Paso
>
> Lupe Kerr wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me if Santa Rosalia is anywhere near AugaCalientes? I
> have Garcia family from that area, but I can't seem to find any
> record with the actual name of Santa Rosalia, except for the birth
> cert. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks Lupe
LUPE
ARE YOUR MATERNAL G.GREATGRANDPARENTS JOSE FELIPE BENEDICTO GARCIA AND PETRA DOMINGUEZ ? DOUBLE CHECK YOUR G.GRANDFATHER CRUZ BUSTAMANTE'S DOB CAUSE ITS THE SAME AS RAFAELA. JUST TO MAKE SURE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME PLACE, IS YOUR FAMILY FROM SANTA ROSALIA DE CAMARGO, CHIHUAHUA? JUST CHECKING, ANY OTHER INFO YOU CAN THINK OF JUST SEND IT, IT MIGHT HELP. DO YOU HAVE ANY DOCUMENTS, SCAN THEM AND SEND THEM IF YOU LIKE.
YOLANDA
tex1@clearwire.net wrote:
Yolanda,
Thank you for your reply in helping me look for my family. First, I
see you are
from El Paso, I was born and raised there. What a small world.
Anyway, I am looking for Cruz Bustamante Born 16, Aug. 1883 in Santa
Rosalia, D.
1-May-1931. I know his grave in El Paso. He married Rafaela Garcia 1896. I
believe at Guardian Angel Church in EP. Rafiela (another spelling) was born
16, Aug. 1883. I believe also in the Santa Rosala area. She died in El paso.
My problem is I can't seem to find anything beyond my great grandfather
Cruz. I
also can't find much on Rafaela's brothers or sisters. I have only one known
sister, Ramona Garcia. Never married or children, born and died in El Paso.
Any help would be appreciated. I've never given out info for help, so
I hope I
gave you what you might need. Thanks again. Lupe
Quoting Yolanda Bobby Perez :
> Lupe
>
> Three of my grandparents were from that area Santa Rosalia de
> Camargo, Chih. I have a small database for that area and if you give
> me the names that you are looking for I will try and find some info
> for you. Just give me a little information about them, a timeframe
> parents whatever you have. HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO YOU AND ALL THE
> RANCHOS GROUP
>
> Yolanda Medina Perez from El Paso
>
> Lupe Kerr wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me if Santa Rosalia is anywhere near AugaCalientes? I
> have Garcia family from that area, but I can't seem to find any
> record with the actual name of Santa Rosalia, except for the birth
> cert. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks Lupe
Yolanda,
I looked up my records...here's a good one. The death cert. (in hand) states
date of birth for Cruz was May 3, 1876. Info given by my great uncle. The
information sheets I have him as DOB 4-26-1882 I have checked the census for
1910 and 1920, both are different. one has him born 1884 and the other 1888.
I guess I really hadn't paid that much attention, as the family listed are all
correct. I just checked the picture of his grave and it says he was
born 1877.
The stone was put on by his daughters, it does not have DOB, just died at 69
yrs old. Do you have any suggestions. I will get back write on the Benedicto
and Petra names. I know I've come across those names. I want to talk to my
daughter to see what she has. Thanks
Lupe
Quoting Yolanda Bobby Perez :
> LUPE
> ARE YOUR MATERNAL G.GREATGRANDPARENTS JOSE FELIPE BENEDICTO GARCIA
> AND PETRA DOMINGUEZ ? DOUBLE CHECK YOUR G.GRANDFATHER CRUZ
> BUSTAMANTE'S DOB CAUSE ITS THE SAME AS RAFAELA. JUST TO MAKE SURE WE
> ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME PLACE, IS YOUR FAMILY FROM SANTA ROSALIA
> DE CAMARGO, CHIHUAHUA? JUST CHECKING, ANY OTHER INFO YOU CAN THINK
> OF JUST SEND IT, IT MIGHT HELP. DO YOU HAVE ANY DOCUMENTS, SCAN THEM
> AND SEND THEM IF YOU LIKE.
> YOLANDA
>
> tex1@clearwire.net wrote:
> Yolanda,
> Thank you for your reply in helping me look for my family. First, I
> see you are
> from El Paso, I was born and raised there. What a small world.
> Anyway, I am looking for Cruz Bustamante Born 16, Aug. 1883 in Santa
> Rosalia, D.
> 1-May-1931. I know his grave in El Paso. He married Rafaela Garcia 1896. I
> believe at Guardian Angel Church in EP. Rafiela (another spelling) was born
> 16, Aug. 1883. I believe also in the Santa Rosala area. She died in El paso.
> My problem is I can't seem to find anything beyond my great grandfather
> Cruz. I
> also can't find much on Rafaela's brothers or sisters. I have only one known
> sister, Ramona Garcia. Never married or children, born and died in El Paso.
> Any help would be appreciated. I've never given out info for help, so
> I hope I
> gave you what you might need. Thanks again. Lupe
>
>
> Quoting Yolanda Bobby Perez :
>
>> Lupe
>>
>> Three of my grandparents were from that area Santa Rosalia de
>> Camargo, Chih. I have a small database for that area and if you give
>> me the names that you are looking for I will try and find some info
>> for you. Just give me a little information about them, a timeframe
>> parents whatever you have. HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO YOU AND ALL THE
>> RANCHOS GROUP
>>
>> Yolanda Medina Perez from El Paso
>>
>> Lupe Kerr wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone tell me if Santa Rosalia is anywhere near AugaCalientes? I
>> have Garcia family from that area, but I can't seem to find any
>> record with the actual name of Santa Rosalia, except for the birth
>> cert. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks Lupe
If I am not mistaken, it is in Chihuhua, Mex. but I don't know if its close to Augacalientes.
Mary
-----Original Message-----
>From: Lupe Kerr
>Sent: Nov 13, 2007 3:42 PM
>To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia
>
>
>Can anyone tell me if Santa Rosalia is anywhere near AugaCalientes? I have Garcia family from that area, but I can't seem to find any record with the actual name of Santa Rosalia, except for the birth cert. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks Lupe
To Lupe Kerr,
If you go to the Ranchos website you will find a link- Diccionario Geografico etc. by Cubas. In it you will find a list of 8 haciendas named Santa Rosalia. There is also a long list of ranchos with the same name. San Luis Potosi has three ranchos and Jalisco two. I'm not so sure that the ranchos in Potosi are closer than the ones in Jalostotitlan or Tepaatitlan.
David, Albany, CA
-----Original Message-----
>From: Lupe Kerr
>Sent: Nov 13, 2007 3:42 PM
>To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia
>
>
>Can anyone tell me if Santa Rosalia is anywhere near AugaCalientes? I have Garcia family from that area, but I can't seem to find any record with the actual name of Santa Rosalia, except for the birth cert. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks Lupe
Thank you, it helped. Lupe
Quoting "David P. Delgado" :
> To Lupe Kerr,
>
> If you go to the Ranchos website you will find a link- Diccionario
> Geografico etc. by Cubas. In it you will find a list of 8 haciendas
> named Santa Rosalia. There is also a long list of ranchos with the
> same name. San Luis Potosi has three ranchos and Jalisco two. I'm
> not so sure that the ranchos in Potosi are closer than the ones in
> Jalostotitlan or Tepaatitlan.
>
> David, Albany, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lupe Kerr
>> Sent: Nov 13, 2007 3:42 PM
>> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia
>>
>>
>> Can anyone tell me if Santa Rosalia is anywhere near AugaCalientes?
>> I have Garcia family from that area, but I can't seem to find any
>> record with the actual name of Santa Rosalia, except for the birth
>> cert. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks Lupe
It is also a city in Chihuahua (now known as Camargo) as well as a town in Baja California Sur. Cities have changed names over time (a lot were changed after the Guerra de la Reforma and Revolutionary wars), so the time frame is important in tracking that down. > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:40:35 -0800> From: mgervassi@earthlink.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia> > If I am not mistaken, it is in Chihuhua, Mex. but I don't know if its close to Augacalientes.> > Mary > > -----Original Message-----> >From: Lupe Kerr > >Sent: Nov 13, 2007 3:42 PM> >To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> >Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia> >> >> >Can anyone tell me if Santa Rosalia is anywhere near AugaCalientes? I have Garcia family from that area, but I can't seem to find any record with the actual name of Santa Rosalia, except for the birth cert. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks Lupe> >-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > >Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> >> >To post, send email to:> >general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> >> >To change your subscription, log on to:> >http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Thank you Tony for your information. If you will permit me another
question, on
one of the Ancestry hits, it has my greatgrandfather being born in Agua
Calientes then it has the word Angola I've been trying to figure out
what it
is when written Aguacalientes, Angola.....That to me is a completely different
area not even related to Mexico. Have you ever come across that as a "born"
area? Thanks again
Quoting tony cobos :
>
> It is also a city in Chihuahua (now known as Camargo) as well as a
> town in Baja California Sur. Cities have changed names over time (a
> lot were changed after the Guerra de la Reforma and Revolutionary
> wars), so the time frame is important in tracking that down. >
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:40:35 -0800> From: mgervassi@earthlink.net>
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]
> Santa Rosalia> > If I am not mistaken, it is in Chihuhua, Mex. but I
> don't know if its close to Augacalientes.> > Mary > > -----Original
> Message-----> >From: Lupe Kerr > >Sent: Nov 13,
> 2007 3:42 PM> >To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> >Subject:
> [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia> >> >> >Can anyone tell me if Santa
> Rosalia is anywhere near AugaCalientes? I have Garcia family from
> that area, but I can't seem to find any record with the actual name
> of Santa Rosalia, except for the birth cert. Any help will be
> appreciated. Thanks Lupe> >-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- >
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It appears to me that the handwriting on the document needs further
review! Marge:)
On Nov 14, 2007, at 5:31 PM, tex1@clearwire.net wrote:
> Thank you Tony for your information. If you will permit me another
> question, on
> one of the Ancestry hits, it has my greatgrandfather being born in Agua
> Calientes then it has the word Angola I've been trying to figure out
> what it
> is when written Aguacalientes, Angola.....That to me is a completely
> different
> area not even related to Mexico. Have you ever come across that as a
> "born"
> area? Thanks again
>
>
>
> Quoting tony cobos :
>
>>
>> It is also a city in Chihuahua (now known as Camargo) as well as a
>> town in Baja California Sur. Cities have changed names over time (a
>> lot were changed after the Guerra de la Reforma and Revolutionary
>> wars), so the time frame is important in tracking that down. >
>> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:40:35 -0800> From: mgervassi@earthlink.net>
>> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]
>> Santa Rosalia> > If I am not mistaken, it is in Chihuhua, Mex. but I
>> don't know if its close to Augacalientes.> > Mary > > -----Original
>> Message-----> >From: Lupe Kerr > >Sent: Nov 13,
>> 2007 3:42 PM> >To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> >Subject:
>> [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia> >> >> >Can anyone tell me if Santa
>> Rosalia is anywhere near AugaCalientes? I have Garcia family from
>> that area, but I can't seem to find any record with the actual name
>> of Santa Rosalia, except for the birth cert. Any help will be
>> appreciated. Thanks Lupe> >-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- >
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No I have never heard of that; I beleive Angola is an African country; I would try variations of that word unless you are sure it says "angola". > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:31:26 -0500> From: tex1@clearwire.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia> > Thank you Tony for your information. If you will permit me another > question, on> one of the Ancestry hits, it has my greatgrandfather being born in Agua> Calientes then it has the word Angola I've been trying to figure out > what it> is when written Aguacalientes, Angola.....That to me is a completely different> area not even related to Mexico. Have you ever come across that as a "born"> area? Thanks again> > > > Quoting tony cobos :> > >> > It is also a city in Chihuahua (now known as Camargo) as well as a > > town in Baja California Sur. Cities have changed names over time (a > > lot were changed after the Guerra de la Reforma and Revolutionary > > wars), so the time frame is important in tracking that down. > > > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:40:35 -0800> From: mgervassi@earthlink.net> > > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] > > Santa Rosalia> > If I am not mistaken, it is in Chihuhua, Mex. but I > > don't know if its close to Augacalientes.> > Mary > > -----Original > > Message-----> >From: Lupe Kerr > >Sent: Nov 13, > > 2007 3:42 PM> >To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> >Subject: > > [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia> >> >> >Can anyone tell me if Santa > > Rosalia is anywhere near AugaCalientes? I have Garcia family from > > that area, but I can't seem to find any record with the actual name > > of Santa Rosalia, except for the birth cert. Any help will be > > appreciated. Thanks Lupe> >-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > > >Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> >> >To post, send email to:> > > >general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> >> >To change your subscription, log > > on to:> >http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send > > email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your > > subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > _________________________________________________________________> > Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare!> > http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hot…; > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> >> > To post, send email to:> > general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> >> > To change your subscription, log on to:> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> >> >> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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The best bet is Angola is a misswritten "Ags." or "Aguas", being the case they wanted to write "Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes" which should be the correct statement, take it for sure.
tony cobos escribió:
No I have never heard of that; I beleive Angola is an African country; I would try variations of that word unless you are sure it says "angola". > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:31:26 -0500> From: tex1@clearwire.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia> > Thank you Tony for your information. If you will permit me another > question, on> one of the Ancestry hits, it has my greatgrandfather being born in Agua> Calientes then it has the word Angola I've been trying to figure out > what it> is when written Aguacalientes, Angola.....That to me is a completely different> area not even related to Mexico. Have you ever come across that as a "born"> area? Thanks again> > > > Quoting tony cobos :> > >> > It is also a city in Chihuahua (now known as Camargo) as well as a > > town in Baja California Sur. Cities have changed names over time (a > > lot were changed after the Guerra de la Reforma and Revolutionary > > wars), so the time frame is
important in tracking that down. > > > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:40:35 -0800> From: mgervassi@earthlink.net> > > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] > > Santa Rosalia> > If I am not mistaken, it is in Chihuhua, Mex. but I > > don't know if its close to Augacalientes.> > Mary > > -----Original > > Message-----> >From: Lupe Kerr > >Sent: Nov 13, > > 2007 3:42 PM> >To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> >Subject: > > [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia> >> >> >Can anyone tell me if Santa > > Rosalia is anywhere near AugaCalientes? I have Garcia family from > > that area, but I can't seem to find any record with the actual name > > of Santa Rosalia, except for the birth cert. Any help will be > > appreciated. Thanks Lupe> >-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > > >Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> >> >To post, send email to:> > > >general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> >> >To change your subscription, log > > on to:> >http://www.nuestrosranchos.org>
Tony,
I missed the previous correspondence on this subject, but read your last message this morning. On the subject of Angola, I would like to share some information with the group that might shed some light on this obscure subject. First, I would like to confirm that Angola is a large country
(about 2/3 the size of Mexico) in West Africa. It is bound by Zaire, Zambia, Namibia and on the west by the Atlantic Ocean. It is very rich in natural resources, but most people live in extreme poverty. I visited Angola once a month for seven years (1997-2004) while working as a contractor for ExxonMobil, and before that for nearly five years (1986-1990) while working for Chevron Oil Company. Angola has huge petroleum reserves and some of the largest deepwater oil reservoirs in the world. Luanda, Angola's capital city, is a long way from my home in Dallas, Texas. It usually took me two days to get there, flying via Europe from New York or Newark to Lisbon, Paris or Frankfurt, and from there to Luanda. Sometimes I flew from Atlanta or Miami to Johannesburg in South Africa, and from there to Luanda. Quite an exhausting trip.
While conducting genealogical research in Aguascalientes and other parts of Mexico I've seen many references to Angola in old church and civil records. The parties involved were usually African slaves imported from west Africa to work in sparsely populated areas, such as Aguascalientes and Zacatecas.
While standing-by in Angola in 2002 for an offshore rig move, I spent one Sunday afternoon visiting a slave museum near Luanda. It was located in a small building on a remote beach where the slave traders from Europe came to pick up their infamous cargo. The slaves, captured by the stronger African tribes, were sold on site to the highest bidder. The ships stayed at anchor while the natives transported their prisoners in dugout canoes from that building (now a museum) to the moored ships less than a mile away. Quite cruel and inhuman behavior, but that's the way it was in those days. Most of the slaves were taken to the sugarcane fields, mines and coffee plantations of Brazil (like Angola, Brazil was a Portuguese colony) but many ended up in the cotton fields of the southern United States, Mexico, the Caribbean and Central America. A few years before I had visited a similar slave staging area in the city of Dakar, Senegal. Most of the slaves sold in Dakar were from Gam
bia and Senegal, and ended up in the United States.
I believe the people in the records in question were either African slaves from Angola, or their descendants. I may be able to verify this by reading some of those records. Can you email me a scan?
Bill Figueroa
Bill,
I was the one asking questions about Angola. My Great grandfather has that
written in several of the items I have found. I'd like to email you a copy,
but I am afraid I havent mastered the attach thing yet. I went on Ancestry
Search. I put in Cruz Bustamante 1883 It comes up to Border Crossing
from Mex
to US. Its the 4th entry down having him as Birth 1878 Arrival 13, June
1921....on there it has AguaCalientes, AguaCalientes, Angola...If you could
shed lite on this, I'd appreciate it. Also the info you gave on the bookstore
address was also helpful to me. Thanks again. Actually I have to thank
Nuestrosranchos...I have had very nice helpful people giving me help Lupe
Quoting Bill Figueroa :
> Tony,
>
> I missed the previous correspondence on this subject, but read your
> last message this morning. On the subject of Angola, I would like to
> share some information with the group that might shed some light on
> this obscure subject. First, I would like to confirm that Angola is
> a large country
> (about 2/3 the size of Mexico) in West Africa. It is bound by Zaire,
> Zambia, Namibia and on the west by the Atlantic Ocean. It is very
> rich in natural resources, but most people live in extreme poverty.
> I visited Angola once a month for seven years (1997-2004) while
> working as a contractor for ExxonMobil, and before that for nearly
> five years (1986-1990) while working for Chevron Oil Company. Angola
> has huge petroleum reserves and some of the largest deepwater oil
> reservoirs in the world. Luanda, Angola's capital city, is a long
> way from my home in Dallas, Texas. It usually took me two days to
> get there, flying via Europe from New York or Newark to Lisbon, Paris
> or Frankfurt, and from there to Luanda. Sometimes I flew from
> Atlanta or Miami to Johannesburg in South Africa, and from there to
> Luanda. Quite an exhausting trip.
>
> While conducting genealogical research in Aguascalientes and other
> parts of Mexico I've seen many references to Angola in old church and
> civil records. The parties involved were usually African slaves
> imported from west Africa to work in sparsely populated areas, such
> as Aguascalientes and Zacatecas.
>
> While standing-by in Angola in 2002 for an offshore rig move, I spent
> one Sunday afternoon visiting a slave museum near Luanda. It was
> located in a small building on a remote beach where the slave traders
> from Europe came to pick up their infamous cargo. The slaves,
> captured by the stronger African tribes, were sold on site to the
> highest bidder. The ships stayed at anchor while the natives
> transported their prisoners in dugout canoes from that building (now
> a museum) to the moored ships less than a mile away. Quite cruel and
> inhuman behavior, but that's the way it was in those days. Most of
> the slaves were taken to the sugarcane fields, mines and coffee
> plantations of Brazil (like Angola, Brazil was a Portuguese colony)
> but many ended up in the cotton fields of the southern United States,
> Mexico, the Caribbean and Central America. A few years before I had
> visited a similar slave staging area in the city of Dakar, Senegal.
> Most of the slaves sold in Dakar were from Gam
> bia and Senegal, and ended up in the United States.
>
> I believe the people in the records in question were either African
> slaves from Angola, or their descendants. I may be able to verify
> this by reading some of those records. Can you email me a scan?
>
> Bill Figueroa
Lupe,
Two other people have suggested taking a second look at the documents you think say "Angola" because usually when someone has been born in the capital city (Aguascalientes) of the state of Aguascalentes, it is sometimes written as "Aguascalientes, Aguas", or they abbreviate the state name some other way (Ags).
I looked at the immigration record you refer to and I don't see the word "Angola" anywhere. The index for this record says Birthplace: Aguascalientes, and Birth Country: Angola, but I think it was the state abbreviation "Aguas" that they mistook for Angola. I just can't see how they arrived at that. In the indexes for the Census records in Ancestry many of the names are so fractured in the index that it is hard to find who you are looking for unless you tediously look through each page for the community or county they lived in then. In the 1930 census on Ancestry doesn't it list Cruz' birthplace as "Mex" ?
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: tex1@clearwire.net
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org ; Bill Figueroa
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia - Message for Tony Cobos
Bill,
I was the one asking questions about Angola. My Great grandfather has that
written in several of the items I have found. I'd like to email you a copy,
but I am afraid I havent mastered the attach thing yet. I went on Ancestry
Search. I put in Cruz Bustamante 1883 It comes up to Border Crossing
from Mex
to US. Its the 4th entry down having him as Birth 1878 Arrival 13, June
1921....on there it has AguaCalientes, AguaCalientes, Angola...If you could
shed lite on this, I'd appreciate it. Also the info you gave on the bookstore
address was also helpful to me. Thanks again. Actually I have to thank
Nuestrosranchos...I have had very nice helpful people giving me help Lupe
Quoting Bill Figueroa >:
> Tony,
>
> I missed the previous correspondence on this subject, but read your
> last message this morning. On the subject of Angola, I would like to
> share some information with the group that might shed some light on
> this obscure subject. First, I would like to confirm that Angola is
> a large country
> (about 2/3 the size of Mexico) in West Africa. It is bound by Zaire,
> Zambia, Namibia and on the west by the Atlantic Ocean. It is very
> rich in natural resources, but most people live in extreme poverty.
> I visited Angola once a month for seven years (1997-2004) while
> working as a contractor for ExxonMobil, and before that for nearly
> five years (1986-1990) while working for Chevron Oil Company. Angola
> has huge petroleum reserves and some of the largest deepwater oil
> reservoirs in the world. Luanda, Angola's capital city, is a long
> way from my home in Dallas, Texas. It usually took me two days to
> get there, flying via Europe from New York or Newark to Lisbon, Paris
> or Frankfurt, and from there to Luanda. Sometimes I flew from
> Atlanta or Miami to Johannesburg in South Africa, and from there to
> Luanda. Quite an exhausting trip.
>
> While conducting genealogical research in Aguascalientes and other
> parts of Mexico I've seen many references to Angola in old church and
> civil records. The parties involved were usually African slaves
> imported from west Africa to work in sparsely populated areas, such
> as Aguascalientes and Zacatecas.
>
> While standing-by in Angola in 2002 for an offshore rig move, I spent
> one Sunday afternoon visiting a slave museum near Luanda. It was
> located in a small building on a remote beach where the slave traders
> from Europe came to pick up their infamous cargo. The slaves,
> captured by the stronger African tribes, were sold on site to the
> highest bidder. The ships stayed at anchor while the natives
> transported their prisoners in dugout canoes from that building (now
> a museum) to the moored ships less than a mile away. Quite cruel and
> inhuman behavior, but that's the way it was in those days. Most of
> the slaves were taken to the sugarcane fields, mines and coffee
> plantations of Brazil (like Angola, Brazil was a Portuguese colony)
> but many ended up in the cotton fields of the southern United States,
> Mexico, the Caribbean and Central America. A few years before I had
> visited a similar slave staging area in the city of Dakar, Senegal.
> Most of the slaves sold in Dakar were from Gam
> bia and Senegal, and ended up in the United States.
>
> I believe the people in the records in question were either African
> slaves from Angola, or their descendants. I may be able to verify
> this by reading some of those records. Can you email me a scan?
>
> Bill Figueroa
Emilie,
You are right, Cruz was born in Mexico, it just so weird to see Angola on so
many of the files I've found. It say's that on the "hits" from
Ancestry. When
they are open, it never indicates Angola on the actual doc. I'm just
confused.
It could very well be a mis translation, but it's on so many hits, that it's
hard to believe they are all errors. Thanks for your help and input. Lupe
Quoting Emilie Garcia :
> Lupe,
>
> Two other people have suggested taking a second look at the documents
> you think say "Angola" because usually when someone has been born in
> the capital city (Aguascalientes) of the state of Aguascalentes, it
> is sometimes written as "Aguascalientes, Aguas", or they abbreviate
> the state name some other way (Ags).
>
> I looked at the immigration record you refer to and I don't see the
> word "Angola" anywhere. The index for this record says Birthplace:
> Aguascalientes, and Birth Country: Angola, but I think it was the
> state abbreviation "Aguas" that they mistook for Angola. I just
> can't see how they arrived at that. In the indexes for the Census
> records in Ancestry many of the names are so fractured in the index
> that it is hard to find who you are looking for unless you tediously
> look through each page for the community or county they lived in
> then. In the 1930 census on Ancestry doesn't it list Cruz'
> birthplace as "Mex" ?
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tex1@clearwire.net
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> ; Bill Figueroa
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia - Message for Tony Cobos
>
>
> Bill,
> I was the one asking questions about Angola. My Great grandfather has that
> written in several of the items I have found. I'd like to email
> you a copy,
> but I am afraid I havent mastered the attach thing yet. I went on Ancestry
> Search. I put in Cruz Bustamante 1883 It comes up to Border Crossing
> from Mex
> to US. Its the 4th entry down having him as Birth 1878 Arrival 13, June
> 1921....on there it has AguaCalientes, AguaCalientes, Angola...If you could
> shed lite on this, I'd appreciate it. Also the info you gave on
> the bookstore
> address was also helpful to me. Thanks again. Actually I have to thank
> Nuestrosranchos...I have had very nice helpful people giving me help Lupe
>
>
>
> Quoting Bill Figueroa
> >:
>
> > Tony,
> >
> > I missed the previous correspondence on this subject, but read your
> > last message this morning. On the subject of Angola, I would like to
> > share some information with the group that might shed some light on
> > this obscure subject. First, I would like to confirm that Angola is
> > a large country
> > (about 2/3 the size of Mexico) in West Africa. It is bound by Zaire,
> > Zambia, Namibia and on the west by the Atlantic Ocean. It is very
> > rich in natural resources, but most people live in extreme poverty.
> > I visited Angola once a month for seven years (1997-2004) while
> > working as a contractor for ExxonMobil, and before that for nearly
> > five years (1986-1990) while working for Chevron Oil Company. Angola
> > has huge petroleum reserves and some of the largest deepwater oil
> > reservoirs in the world. Luanda, Angola's capital city, is a long
> > way from my home in Dallas, Texas. It usually took me two days to
> > get there, flying via Europe from New York or Newark to Lisbon, Paris
> > or Frankfurt, and from there to Luanda. Sometimes I flew from
> > Atlanta or Miami to Johannesburg in South Africa, and from there to
> > Luanda. Quite an exhausting trip.
> >
> > While conducting genealogical research in Aguascalientes and other
> > parts of Mexico I've seen many references to Angola in old church and
> > civil records. The parties involved were usually African slaves
> > imported from west Africa to work in sparsely populated areas, such
> > as Aguascalientes and Zacatecas.
> >
> > While standing-by in Angola in 2002 for an offshore rig move, I spent
> > one Sunday afternoon visiting a slave museum near Luanda. It was
> > located in a small building on a remote beach where the slave traders
> > from Europe came to pick up their infamous cargo. The slaves,
> > captured by the stronger African tribes, were sold on site to the
> > highest bidder. The ships stayed at anchor while the natives
> > transported their prisoners in dugout canoes from that building (now
> > a museum) to the moored ships less than a mile away. Quite cruel and
> > inhuman behavior, but that's the way it was in those days. Most of
> > the slaves were taken to the sugarcane fields, mines and coffee
> > plantations of Brazil (like Angola, Brazil was a Portuguese colony)
> > but many ended up in the cotton fields of the southern United States,
> > Mexico, the Caribbean and Central America. A few years before I had
> > visited a similar slave staging area in the city of Dakar, Senegal.
> > Most of the slaves sold in Dakar were from Gam
> > bia and Senegal, and ended up in the United States.
> >
> > I believe the people in the records in question were either African
> > slaves from Angola, or their descendants. I may be able to verify
> > this by reading some of those records. Can you email me a scan?
> >
> > Bill Figueroa
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Lupe,
I just checked the Ancestry website and found the information about your great-grandfather. The index clearly says Angola. I didn't try to go any further into the website because I'm not a member of Ancestry and do not want to get a membership at this time. Most of my research has been transcribing church and civil records from Aguascalientes, Jalisco, Zacatecas and Nayarit, and exchanging info. with other researchers.
Now that I know your source for your great-grandfather's border crossing and date of birth, I have changed my opinion on the subject. A border crossing in 1921 and dob of 1878 probably has nothing to do with the people that arrived from Angola in the 16th and 17th century. Since I didn't read your first message, I didn't know that you were talking about recent history. You're absolutely right questioning the veracity of that information. It could be a blunder made by the person who transcribed the original records. To find out for sure try to find the original records used by Ancestry.com. Maybe they can help if you are a member.
Regards,
Bill Figueroa
One more on Errors on the records, I have a whole list of people from the Barrio of San Vicente, District of Tamazula De Gordiano, Jalisco Mexico listed ad being born in the Caribbean. I sent Familysearch a message years ago about the errors but nothing ever came of it, they are still listed online in the wrong country. Another error I've found online is when people are in the early records are listed as from Vallidolid, they are listed online as from Spain when they are actually from Michoacan Mexico.
Linda back in Everett.
Bill Figueroa wrote:
Lupe,
I just checked the Ancestry website and found the information about your great-grandfather. The index clearly says Angola. I didn't try to go any further into the website because I'm not a member of Ancestry and do not want to get a membership at this time. Most of my research has been transcribing church and civil records from Aguascalientes, Jalisco, Zacatecas and Nayarit, and exchanging info. with other researchers.
Now that I know your source for your great-grandfather's border crossing and date of birth, I have changed my opinion on the subject. A border crossing in 1921 and dob of 1878 probably has nothing to do with the people that arrived from Angola in the 16th and 17th century. Since I didn't read your first message, I didn't know that you were talking about recent history. You're absolutely right questioning the veracity of that information. It could be a blunder made by the person who transcribed the original records. To find out for sure try to find the original records used by Ancestry.com. Maybe they can help if you are a member.
Regards,
Bill Figueroa
Estimado Bill:
Tienes razón al suponer un vínculo cercano entre Angola y Aguascalientes, pues a mediados del Siglo XVII, existía el apellido "de Angola", particularmente entre gente sujeta a esclavitud. La cultura ibérica usó el Patronímico y el Gentilicio para la denominación de las personas. Para ejemplificar el uso del Gentilicio, es decir, cuando al nombre de la persona se le añadía la procedencia (de Avila, de Rojas, Avilés, Rojano, etc.), registros notariales relativos a la compraventa de esclavos, relatan un caso particular: la venta de María de Angola, junto con sus pequeños hijos, hacia el año de 1660. Los "de Angola", eran descritos como "prieto pasudo" o "color membrillo", para referirse al pelo muy rizado y el color muy obscuto de la piel, característicos de la raza negra pura. Esas familias se fueron mezclando y vivieron poco después en un barrio de muy mala fama, denominado "los Pachones", que se estableció entre el pueblo de indios de San Marcos y la Villa de Aguascalientes. El apellido ya no existe, probablemente fue suprimido después de la guerra independencia y la abolición de la esclavitud, o por que las suscesiones genealógicas se extinguieron con el paso del tiempo. Lo cierto que el tema merece una profunda investigación.
Saludos F. Reyes
> From: bill_figueroa@usa.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:37:05 -0600> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia - Message for Tony Cobos> > Tony,> > I missed the previous correspondence on this subject, but read your last message this morning. On the subject of Angola, I would like to share some information with the group that might shed some light on this obscure subject. First, I would like to confirm that Angola is a large country> (about 2/3 the size of Mexico) in West Africa. It is bound by Zaire, Zambia, Namibia and on the west by the Atlantic Ocean. It is very rich in natural resources, but most people live in extreme poverty. I visited Angola once a month for seven years (1997-2004) while working as a contractor for ExxonMobil, and before that for nearly five years (1986-1990) while working for Chevron Oil Company. Angola has huge petroleum reserves and some of the largest deepwater oil reservoirs in the world. Luanda, Angola's capital city, is a long way from my home in Dallas, Texas. It usually took me two days to get there, flying via Europe from New York or Newark to Lisbon, Paris or Frankfurt, and from there to Luanda. Sometimes I flew from Atlanta or Miami to Johannesburg in South Africa, and from there to Luanda. Quite an exhausting trip.> > While conducting genealogical research in Aguascalientes and other parts of Mexico I've seen many references to Angola in old church and civil records. The parties involved were usually African slaves imported from west Africa to work in sparsely populated areas, such as Aguascalientes and Zacatecas. > > While standing-by in Angola in 2002 for an offshore rig move, I spent one Sunday afternoon visiting a slave museum near Luanda. It was located in a small building on a remote beach where the slave traders from Europe came to pick up their infamous cargo. The slaves, captured by the stronger African tribes, were sold on site to the highest bidder. The ships stayed at anchor while the natives transported their prisoners in dugout canoes from that building (now a museum) to the moored ships less than a mile away. Quite cruel and inhuman behavior, but that's the way it was in those days. Most of the slaves were taken to the sugarcane fields, mines and coffee plantations of Brazil (like Angola, Brazil was a Portuguese colony) but many ended up in the cotton fields of the southern United States, Mexico, the Caribbean and Central America. A few years before I had visited a similar slave staging area in the city of Dakar, Senegal. Most of the slaves sold in Dakar were from Gam> bia and Senegal, and ended up in the United States.> > I believe the people in the records in question were either African slaves from Angola, or their descendants. I may be able to verify this by reading some of those records. Can you email me a scan?> > Bill Figueroa> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hola Felipe,
Estoy seguro que el vínculo al que te refieres es real, porque he encontrado referencias en los registros de Aguascalientes que indican que muchos hacendados tenían esclavos originarios de Angola. Sin embargo, esto no tiene nada que ver con el caso del Sr. Cruz Bustamante. El hecho que alguien escribió en su record "Aguascalientes, Angola" es probablemente un error cometido por la persona que hizo el índice que de Ancestry.com. Yo supuse que Lupe se refería a tiempos más antiguos porque no había leído sus correos anteriores.
Bueno, ya que tocamos el tema de los esclavos en México, debo decirte que creo que muchos eran originarios de Angola. He visto en algunos registros que a esclavas negras no bautizadas se les daba como apellido el nombre de su país de origen. Así por ejemplo he encontrado algunas con nombres como María de Angola, Juana Angola, etc. Lo mismo pasaba con los indios. He encontrado a una María Chichimeca, etc. Es probable que así se haya originado el apellido Angola que mencionas en tu correo.
Como sabrás, los Portugueses llevaron grandes cantidades de esclavos a Brazil. Era un negocio que extendieron al resto de Iberoamérica, incluyendo la Nueva España. Otra razón puede ser que haya sido el idioma, ya que el portugués es muy parecido al castellano. El portugués suena como un español muy antiguo. Nunca he tenido dificultad comunicándome con Portugueses y Angolanos en su propio idioma, ellos hablándome a mi en portugués y yo contestándoles en castellano. Es mejor así que mezclar los dos idiomas en lo que se conoce conoce como "portuñol" (mitad portugués y mitad español.
Volviendo al tema, es un hecho que la mayoría de hacendados tuvieron esclavos en los siglos XVI y XVII. Mis propios antepasados tuvieron esclavos negros, no solo en México sino en Centroamérica. Por ejemplo, el registro de Defunciones de Aguascalientes dice que "En doce días del dicho mes y año [12 Sep 1634] enterré a un mulato de la estancia de San Bartolomé. Díjosele una misa". La hacienda de San Bartolo era propiedad de Luis Tiscareño de Molina y Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza. Más adelante hay otra partida de defunción que dice textualmente "En tres dias del mes de henero de el año de 1636 enterre a una negra esclava que truxieron de la estancia de lope ruis de esparsa dixosele una missa". La estancia de Lope Ruiz de Esparza era conocida como Morcenique, or Morciñique, por quedar en las márgenes de dicho río. Datos similares aparecen en casi todos los registros parroquiales y en los padrones de Aguascalientes, empezando con el de 1648. Claro que hablamos de 100 años después de la conquista, ya que los primeros esclavos africanos llegaron con Hernán Cortés. Ya por 1636 se habían multiplicado y mezclado con la población indígena y española, dando lugar a muchas castas. Esto es más notorio en el Estado de Veracruz, donde quedaron muchos de los descendientes de los primeros esclavos que vinieron a laborar en la zafra de la caña de azúcar y en la siembra de otras cosechas que se dan allí por la fertilidad de sus tierras.
Bueno Felipe, es todo por hoy. A ver que opinan los demás del grupo.
Saludos,
Bill Figueroa
Hi Bill,
Thank you so very much, you are agreat person, hope to meet you one day to thank you in person.
Anna Arellano Smith
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From: Bill Figueroa
Hi Bill,
Do you mind telling me where in Aguascalientes did you buy the books mentioned, i will be in Aguascalientes in about 10 days,
Thank you
Anna Arellano Smith
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Hi Anna,
Unfortunately, I don't remember the name of the bookstore where I bought
"Los Españoles en Aguascalientes durante la época colonial" but will retrive
the box where I filed the receipts from my 2006 trip and let you know later.
The bookstore is located in "El Parian", a well known shopping area in
Aguascalientes. You can also buy local history books at the University of
Aguascalientes, where they probably have a better selection.
I've been trying to figure out whether I bought "Encomenderos y Hacendados
1534-1650" in Aguascalientes or in Guadalajara. I'll let you know later.
Have you been in Aguascalientes before? Do you know your way around the
city?
Saludos,
Bill
Hi Bill,
I have been in Aguascalientes before but i can't say that i know my way around, but i have a map.
saludos,
Anna Arellano Smith
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From: Bill Figueroa
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:15:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sancho de Renteria and Angela de Velasco
Hi Anna,
Unfortunately, I don't remember the name of the bookstore where I bought
"Los Españoles en Aguascalientes durante la época colonial" but will retrive
the box where I filed the receipts from my 2006 trip and let you know later.
The bookstore is located in "El Parian", a well known shopping area in
Aguascalientes. You can also buy local history books at the University of
Aguascalientes, where they probably have a better selection.
I've been trying to figure out whether I bought "Encomenderos y Hacendados
1534-1650" in Aguascalientes or in Guadalajara. I'll let you know later.
Have you been in Aguascalientes before? Do you know your way around the
city?
Saludos,
Bill
Hi Anna,
Below is the address for the bookstore where I bought "Los Españoles en
Aguascalientes durante la época colonial". I couldn't find the receipt, but
it'll be easy to find with this information.
The mall is known as "El Parián" and is located at the intersection of
"Francisco Rivero y Gutiérrez" and "Morelos" (Zona Centro). It is a 15
minute walk from the main plaza, the Cathedral and the Palacio Municipal.
Although everybody knows where "El Parián" is, your best bet is to take a
taxi cab from your hotel. Across the street is the beautiful "Templo de San
Diego", built between 1653 and 1682. A lot of history here. It is well
worth a visit and a good landmark to use as a reference point. Next to the
church is a building that was the convent of the franciscan friars, which
houses art exhibits (at the room "Jesús Gómez de Portugal").
As I recall, the bookstore at "El Parián" is on the ground level outside the
building. The phone number for "El Parián" is (449) 915-61-33. If you call
them ahead of time they can give you the bookstore's phone number and its
exact location at the mall.
I'll try to send you more info. about "Encomenderos y Hacendados 1534-1650"
this afternoon. Good luck and have a nice trip.
Bill
For Yolanda and others,
Below is a link to an article (and other links) with expert guidance
on increasing the longevity of documents, and proper preservation of
valuable and often irreplaceable family history photographs and papers.
For Yolanda and others,
Below is a link to an article (and other links) with expert guidance
on increasing the longevity of documents, and proper preservation of
valuable and often irreplaceable family history photographs and papers.
http://scrapbooking.about.com/library/weekly/bldocumentpreservation.h
tm
...and for preservation, storage, handling and display materials and
supplies you may want to visit http://webyfl.com
As an aside, almost without exception, the thousands of people who lost
their homes to the recent fires that ravaged some of our areas in Southern
California mourned as their "heaviest loses" the destruction of family
records and keepsakes.
Let's all learn how to keep our family records safe for our own sakes, and
that of our posterity !
Efrain Conrique
San Diego, California
> [Original Message]
> From: Yolanda Wilkerson
> To:
> Date: 11/15/2007 11:49:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Laminating Birth Cert.
>
> Marge Thanks. I live in a small town we do have a historical society. I
will
> ask them. Again thanks so much
> Yolanda Ks
>
> If today is your worst day,
> then tomarrow will be better.
>
> MySpace URL; myspace.com/yacw
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "M.Vallazza"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Laminating Birth Cert.
>
>
> >I would ask a photo archivist. I think laminating it would be a
> > BIIIIIIG mistake. It needs to be kept in an acid free archival type
> > folder, etc., so a photo archivist would be best to ask. Marge:)
> >
> > On Nov 15, 2007, at 12:46 PM, Yolanda Wilkerson wrote:
> >
> >> Hi everyone it has been awhile since I have been online. We found out
> >> about a month ago my mother has colon cancer, so taking care of my
> >> parents comes first. In visiting with them one day my father told me
> >> that he found his fathers birth certificate and baptismal cert. from
> >> mexico. So my question to you is
> >> Should I laminate it to keep it from turning yellow or do I leave it
> >> as is.
> >>
> >> Yolanda (Jauregui-Caudillo) Wilkerson
> >> Ks
> >> If today is your worst day,
> >> then tomorrow will be better.
> >>
> >> My URL; my.com/yaw
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The primary link in my previous message was inexplicably "split" and should
be ...
http://scrapbooking.about.com/library/weekly/bldocumentpreservation.htm
Efrain
> [Original Message]
> From: Efrain Conrique
> To:
> Date: 11/15/2007 5:44:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Document preservation
>
> For Yolanda and others,
>
> Below is a link to an article (and other links) with expert guidance
> on increasing the longevity of documents, and proper preservation of
> valuable and often irreplaceable family history photographs and papers.
>
>
http://scrapbooking.about.com/library/weekly/bldocumentpreservation.h
> tm
>
> ...and for preservation, storage, handling and display materials and
> supplies you may want to visit http://webyfl.com
>
> As an aside, almost without exception, the thousands of people who lost
> their homes to the recent fires that ravaged some of our areas in Southern
> California mourned as their "heaviest loses" the destruction of family
> records and keepsakes.
>
> Let's all learn how to keep our family records safe for our own sakes, and
> that of our posterity !
>
> Efrain Conrique
> San Diego, California
>
>
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Yolanda Wilkerson
> > To:
> > Date: 11/15/2007 11:49:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Laminating Birth Cert.
> >
> > Marge Thanks. I live in a small town we do have a historical society. I
> will
> > ask them. Again thanks so much
> > Yolanda Ks
> >
> > If today is your worst day,
> > then tomarrow will be better.
> >
> > MySpace URL; myspace.com/yacw
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "M.Vallazza"
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Laminating Birth Cert.
> >
> >
> > >I would ask a photo archivist. I think laminating it would be a
> > > BIIIIIIG mistake. It needs to be kept in an acid free archival type
> > > folder, etc., so a photo archivist would be best to ask. Marge:)
> > >
> > > On Nov 15, 2007, at 12:46 PM, Yolanda Wilkerson wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi everyone it has been awhile since I have been online. We found
out
> > >> about a month ago my mother has colon cancer, so taking care of my
> > >> parents comes first. In visiting with them one day my father told me
> > >> that he found his fathers birth certificate and baptismal cert. from
> > >> mexico. So my question to you is
> > >> Should I laminate it to keep it from turning yellow or do I leave it
> > >> as is.
> > >>
> > >> Yolanda (Jauregui-Caudillo) Wilkerson
> > >> Ks
> > >> If today is your worst day,
> > >> then tomorrow will be better.
> > >>
> > >> My URL; my.com/yaw
> > >> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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> > >>
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> > >>
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Hi everyone it has been awhile since I have been online. We found out about a month ago my mother has colon cancer, so taking care of my parents comes first. In visiting with them one day my father told me that he found his fathers birth certificate and baptismal cert. from mexico. So my question to you is
Yolanda, my prayers are with you, I'm in California on a similar journey so appreciate your situation. Now sounds like a perfect time to share memories and stories from your parents about the things in their history they may have never told you about before. I'm finding my Dad is recalling all kinds of things in the month I've been with him. I thought he'd told me everything before since I've asked for years but now those old memories of his grandparents and parents seem to be coming back to him. His memories make him smile so it's a good thing for him too.
Be sure to photograph the records for your files so you always have a copy of the original. Marge sounds right about keeping it in an acid free folder.
Linda Castanon-Long
Yolanda Wilkerson wrote:
Hi everyone it has been awhile since I have been online. We found out about a month ago my mother has colon cancer, so taking care of my parents comes first. In visiting with them one day my father told me that he found his fathers birth certificate and baptismal cert. from mexico. So my question to you is
Should I laminate it to keep it from turning yellow or do I leave it as is.
Yolanda (Jauregui-Caudillo) Wilkerson
Ks
If today is your worst day,
then tomorrow will be better.
My URL; my.com/yaw
I would ask a photo archivist. I think laminating it would be a
BIIIIIIG mistake. It needs to be kept in an acid free archival type
folder, etc., so a photo archivist would be best to ask. Marge:)
On Nov 15, 2007, at 12:46 PM, Yolanda Wilkerson wrote:
> Hi everyone it has been awhile since I have been online. We found out
> about a month ago my mother has colon cancer, so taking care of my
> parents comes first. In visiting with them one day my father told me
> that he found his fathers birth certificate and baptismal cert. from
> mexico. So my question to you is
> Should I laminate it to keep it from turning yellow or do I leave it
> as is.
>
> Yolanda (Jauregui-Caudillo) Wilkerson
> Ks
> If today is your worst day,
> then tomorrow will be better.
>
> My URL; my.com/yaw
Marge Thanks. I live in a small town we do have a historical society. I will
ask them. Again thanks so much
Yolanda Ks
If today is your worst day,
then tomarrow will be better.
MySpace URL; myspace.com/yacw
----- Original Message -----
From: "M.Vallazza"
To:
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Laminating Birth Cert.
>I would ask a photo archivist. I think laminating it would be a
> BIIIIIIG mistake. It needs to be kept in an acid free archival type
> folder, etc., so a photo archivist would be best to ask. Marge:)
>
> On Nov 15, 2007, at 12:46 PM, Yolanda Wilkerson wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone it has been awhile since I have been online. We found out
>> about a month ago my mother has colon cancer, so taking care of my
>> parents comes first. In visiting with them one day my father told me
>> that he found his fathers birth certificate and baptismal cert. from
>> mexico. So my question to you is
>> Should I laminate it to keep it from turning yellow or do I leave it
>> as is.
>>
>> Yolanda (Jauregui-Caudillo) Wilkerson
>> Ks
>> If today is your worst day,
>> then tomorrow will be better.
>>
>> My URL; my.com/yaw
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