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Hola Claudia:
Curiosamente yo tambien Deciendo de Gonzalez y de Ledezma .Y Ledezma me lleva a Yahualica .
Juan Antonio Ledezma
Chr.12 May 1795
Yahualica,Jal.
Hijo de Jose Antonio Ledezma y Maria Patricia Flores.
Cuyo Microfilm 1152475 Bautizmos 1778-1814 resien me acaba de llegar al Family History Center de Riverside California, pero no he tenido tiempo de revisarlo,si dentro de este microfilm se encuentran tus antepasados hasmelo saber y yo con mucho gusto te mando una copia de la acta de bautizmo de cada uno de ellos.Me perecio haber visto algunos micro flms de Yahualica en ese centro.Mandame los nombres con los #'s de microfilm. Y con suerte encuentras lo que buscas.
Jose Luis Felix
Perris California.

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: claudiacasillas@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:48:29 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] YAHUALICA, Jalisco - GONZALEZ, LISARDE, VASQUEZ, LEDESMA (Marriage films anyone?)> > > Hola amigos, primos and fellow geneologists.> > My search this week is in Yahualica, where I am working on extending my Gonzalez line, and I am stuck. Maybe a fellow member can assist with the following...> > I descend from the Gonzalez-Lisarde, Gonzalez-Vasquez, and Vasquez-Ledesma from that area. I am having difficulty finding the parents in the following marriages that took place at parroquia San Miguel in Yahualica:> > DATE: 25 Apr 1836> GROOM: German Gonzalez> BRIDE: Ancelma Lisarde> no parents listed in IGI> > DATE: 13 Sep 1797> GROOM: Jose Geronimo Vasquez> BRIDE: Maria del Refugio Ledesma> no parents listed in IGI> > Does anyone have access to the films for Yahualica on these dates?> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Res
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Just a common misread when the films were being indexed for the IGI, LISARDE was misread for
LISALDE, of whom are the original family of López de Elisalde. When searching still try to look up with Lisarde since most of them are under that because of a simple mistake. -Daniel
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There are films for "información matrimonial", you should consult the familysearch site catalog. Good luck
 
Leticia Leon

--- El jue 21-ago-08, Claudia_Reynoso escribió:

My search this week is in Yahualica, where I am working on extending my
Gonzalez line, and I am stuck. Maybe a fellow member can assist with the
following...

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Hola Ronnie. No te culpo por estar confundido. It took me a while to
figure out all the connections. What you have is correct, except that
you're missing two earlier generations. Diego Flores de la Torre married to
Beatriz de Anda Altamirano y Castañeda was the third Encomendero de
Juchipila. His parents were his namesake Diego Flores de la Torre and Doña
Angela de Velasco. This Diego was the second Encomendero de Juchipila. His
father Hernán Flores, Conquistador de la Nueva Galicia, married to Doña
María Alvarez de la Torre, was the first Encomendero. This was his second
marriage. His first wife was Isabel de Alvarado, daughter of Gómez de
Alvarado and niece of the Adelantado de Guatemala Capt. Pedro de Alvarado.
As far as I know, there were no children from his first marriage.

Take care, primo.
Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald Reynoso"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:45 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Attention Primo Bill Figueroa-Diego Flores de
LaTorre ?

Hola Pariente, perdoname, ando perdido. I have Diego de La Torre married to
Beatriz Anda Altamirano. His son Diego casado con Isabel Arias de Orozco
Valdez. Again his son Diego married to Teresa Gonzalez de Hermosillo. Where
do I piece Diego con Angela Velasco ?
tu pariente muy confundido
Ronnie

gracias, puede decirme la conexion que existe
 
Jorge mICHEL

--- El mar 12-ago-08, papa salvador escribió:

De:: papa salvador
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] message for Jorge Michel
A: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: martes, 12 agosto, 2008, 12:14 am

I have some data for: Manuel \MICHEL Zamora, I hope I can connect you with
the whole MICHEL tree, contact me so we can share information

I have a hunch it's Basque (Vasco) surname, just by looking at it reminds of the Basques in Spain.
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Hi Angelina, as far as I know their isnt really a list, I guess in México namley Los Altos and Aguas if someone knew who owned the hacienda "they knew". If your family supposly owned then my best guess was that they did. On records you can easily know about families who owned them if it is called el rancho de los Rodríguez, then the best guess would be Los Rodríguez. Our hacienda
was originally "El Carretón de la Hacienda de Nuestra Señora de la Luz del CAMINO"
Owned from 1850-1918, before we purchased that we were said to have own other haciendas
in Aguas and Pinos. -Daniel Méndez del Camino
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Joseph,

Esther Harold misspelled the surname Temiño de Velasco. The record you have
definitely says Tremiño with an "R", first on the left margin of the
document and second on the document itself. Married were Justo Rufino
Puente and María Josefa Gregoria Sánchez Tremiño. Close, but not equal.
There is also a Treviño surname, but this is neither Temiño nor Treviño.
I've NOT seen Tremiño in Aguascalientes, so it may be unique to Zacatecas
and the Real y Minas de Sombrerete.

Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Puentes"
To:
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:41 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Temino or Tremino

Can someone have a look at this record and tell me if the surname in
this record from Sombrerete is Temino or probably Tremino.

thanks,

joseph

Here, Corrine, a reference for the term "venta" from "El Quijote de la Mancha":
 
“…y, al anochecer, su rocín y él se hallaron cansados y muertos de hambre; y que, mirando a todas partes por ver si descubriría algún castillo o alguna majada de pastores donde recogerse y adonde pudiese remediar su mucha hambre y necesidad, vio, no lejos del camino por donde iba, una venta, que fue como si viera una estrella que, no a los portales, sino a los alcázares de su redención le encaminaba. Diose priesa a caminar, y llegó a ella a tiempo que anochecía.
Estaban acaso a la puerta dos mujeres mozas, destas que llaman del partido, las cuales iban a Sevilla con unos arrieros que en la venta aquella noche acertaron a hacer jornada; y, como a nuestro aventurero todo cuanto pensaba, veía o imaginaba le parecía ser hecho y pasar al modo de lo que había leído, luego que vio la venta, se le representó que era un castillo …”

--- El mar 19-ago-08, Corrine Ardoin escribió:

Hi, Everyone:
The term is "puesto." They will say so and so
was
originally from and a resident "del puesto de San Antonio." Greetings from Leticia Leon

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Hi Corrine!
 
I had found this term "puesto" in my search, it refers to a "venta" or "posta" which is a place to rest and feed travelers and horses and mules, merely a hotel. You could try to go to this link:
 
http://www.e-local.gob.mx/work/templates/enciclo/jalisco/mpios/14048a.h…
 
from where I extracted this:
"A mediados del siglo XVI, en que se suprimieron las encomiendas, aparecen la estancia y el rancho en Los Altos, y surgen los puestos o ventas que eran los albergues o posadas que se establecían en los caminos reales."
 
¿Could you translate the reference above for whom may need it? I am not good for the task. 
 
You will find useful a page in the web: Enciclopedia de los Municipios de México maybe there are more reference to such term.

--- El mar 19-ago-08, Corrine Ardoin escribió:

The term is "puesto." They will say so and so
was
originally from and a resident "del puesto de San Antonio." I looked
up the
word and the only thing that would make sense is that it means a military
post or a post of some kind. Best wishes Leticia Leon

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Hello Corrine,

Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 9:01:32 AM, you wrote:

> a new term I have never run across before and wanted to ask if anyone
> knows what it means. The term is "puesto." They will say so and so was
> originally from and a resident "del puesto de San Antonio." ...

> used interchangeably with a person being originally from and a resident "del
> Hacienda de San Antonio." So, I'm wondering, is it a military post or a
> Hacienda, or does "puesto" refer to something on this hacienda?

I've also seen this usage, also apparently interchangeable (based on,
say a marriage petition and the marriage certificate of the same
event) with hacienda. I assumed from some dictionary clues that it
probably means something like "place of" or "vecinity of". At first I
thought it might be a miss-transcription of pueblo or puerto, but I
finally concluded that puesto was correct.

--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

Hi Corrine, "Puesto", in my reference book says, " A place, post. or small town" From "Compilation of Colonial Spanish Tearms and Documents Related Phrases" Maybe this will help a bit. Tom S Aguinaga> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:01:32 -0700> From: corrine@ardoin.us> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Terms & Place Names In Records> > Hi, Everyone:> I am currently going through a film for the marriage records of the San> Diego Parish of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco for the 1800's. Well, I have> found a new term I have never run across before and wanted to ask if anyone> knows what it means. The term is "puesto." They will say so and so was> originally from and a resident "del puesto de San Antonio." I looked up the> word and the only thing that would make sense is that it means a military> post or a post of some kind. But, there is no other information given in> these records to indicate this is so. Also, this is> used interchangeably with a person being originally from and a resident "del> Hacienda de San Antonio." So, I'm wondering, is it a military post or a> Hacienda, or does "puesto" refer to something on this hacienda? Well, if> you may know, I would appreciate some info about this, because so many of> the place names given are refered interchangeably as "puesto de," "hacienda> de," and "rancho de."> > Now, for names, this I have seen very frequently on all sorts of records> saying where someone was from or a resident of. These, I am assuming are> place names, but I am not sure if they are merely land forms or actual names> of towns, etc. Perhaps, they are the names of ranchos or haciendas? This> is not always said, but translated literally, they become something else.> For example, someone may be from "La Boquilla," which is not always in> capital letters. Well, the word "boquilla," supposedly refers to a feature> of a river canyon, but it could be a nearby rancho or little pueblo. It> never says as far as this name goes. Another one is saying that someone is> a resident of "La Cienaga," which can be both a place name or a land> description where this person may have a dwelling. So many people in> Mexico, even now, lived in little cliff dwellings and handmade shelters in> river canyons and so forth, I am only left to wonder if these are> descriptions of such places. But, I do realize that place names are given> based on the descriptions of them and hacienda names can be shortened in> common usage. Such as, instead of always saying to each other, "oh, he> lives on the Hacienda de la Boquilla," they would shorten it to, "oh, he> lives on the boquilla." Unless you were there, you are not going to know> this.> > So, rattling on and on, I hope that in all of this, there is someone out> there who may enlighten me on this perplexing issue.> > Corrine Ardoin> Santa Maria, California> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 08:01 -0700, Corrine Ardoin wrote:
> Hi, Everyone:
> I am currently going through a film for the marriage records of the San
> Diego Parish of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco for the 1800's. Well, I have
> found a new term I have never run across before and wanted to ask if anyone
> knows what it means. The term is "puesto." They will say so and so was
> originally from and a resident "del puesto de San Antonio." I looked up the
> word and the only thing that would make sense is that it means a military
> post or a post of some kind. But, there is no other information given in
> these records to indicate this is so. Also, this is
> used interchangeably with a person being originally from and a resident "del
> Hacienda de San Antonio." So, I'm wondering, is it a military post or a
> Hacienda, or does "puesto" refer to something on this hacienda? Well, if
> you may know, I would appreciate some info about this, because so many of
> the place names given are refered interchangeably as "puesto de," "hacienda
> de," and "rancho de."
>
> Now, for names, this I have seen very frequently on all sorts of records
> saying where someone was from or a resident of. These, I am assuming are
> place names, but I am not sure if they are merely land forms or actual names
> of towns, etc. Perhaps, they are the names of ranchos or haciendas? This
> is not always said, but translated literally, they become something else.
> For example, someone may be from "La Boquilla," which is not always in
> capital letters. Well, the word "boquilla," supposedly refers to a feature
> of a river canyon, but it could be a nearby rancho or little pueblo. It
> never says as far as this name goes. Another one is saying that someone is
> a resident of "La Cienaga," which can be both a place name or a land
> description where this person may have a dwelling. So many people in
> Mexico, even now, lived in little cliff dwellings and handmade shelters in
> river canyons and so forth, I am only left to wonder if these are
> descriptions of such places. But, I do realize that place names are given
> based on the descriptions of them and hacienda names can be shortened in
> common usage. Such as, instead of always saying to each other, "oh, he
> lives on the Hacienda de la Boquilla," they would shorten it to, "oh, he
> lives on the boquilla." Unless you were there, you are not going to know
> this.
>
> So, rattling on and on, I hope that in all of this, there is someone out
> there who may enlighten me on this perplexing issue.
>
> Corrine Ardoin
> Santa Maria, California

In searching marriage records in Sagrario (Asunción), Aguascalientes
in the early 1700's late 1600's I have noted more than the expected
number of brides and grooms who use their mother's surname. I usually
expect that these are natural children, but the number of occurances
suggests a matronymic naming pattern. Does anyone know if this was the
case in that time period?

I am not asserting that this is true: I am asking whether anyone else
has any knowledge of this. Maybe it was just sloppy record keeping.

BTW, I appreciated the comments regarding "help with name forms". They
were most helpful.

Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

Sunday, August 17, 2008

Dear Corrine-

Although we do not share the same family lines, I
enjoyed reading this email of yours. I wish you good
luck on your future research.

Previously I lived in Santa Maria for a short time
while in grade school. I later graduated from Lompoc
High School in 1965. I have many pleasant memories of
this part of California.

Patricia Burton
San Diego, Ca.

--- Corrine Ardoin wrote:

> Hi, Everyone:
> I updated my genealogy file folder. I added some
> more names to my surname
> list and I placed my updated ancestral charts in the
> file, removing the old
> charts. You will note that one of these charts is
> called a "Preliminary"
> chart. This is because it is the information I am
> basing my research on. I
> put it into chart form to aid my research and show
> Nuestros Ranchos members
> more clearly the direction this body of research is
> heading.
>
> This "Preliminary Cabral Ancestral Chart" is based
> on the research I have
> done on my Cabral family history, plus what I have
> found on the IGI and
> Family Search Pilot website. I put this all
> together with the information I
> have been so fortunate to receive from my newly
> found cousins in
> Guadalajara. Using this chart, I hope to follow
> this as a guide to learning
> more about my Cabral ancestry. I cannot say enough
> kind words of gratitude
> and appreciation to Sergio Alatorre for all his hard
> work and willingness to
> share so much with me. And, I give thanks to his
> brother, Roberto Alatorre,
> and also to Eduardo and Rodrigo Cardenas. I am so
> happy to have found out
> about all of you and I hope that I will be able to
> meet all of you in
> person. Hopefully that will be sooner than later.
> I also hope that we can
> continue to help one another with our research.
>
> My Cabral family history research began with the
> stories handed down and
> certainly embellished and filled in where memory
> began to fail. It was said
> that Benigno Cabral, my great-great-grandfather, was
> a Portuguese merchant
> sea captain and that he had met Pioquinta Gonzalez
> Figueroa and eloped from
> Spain to Zacatecas, Mexico. The full account is a
> wonderful story, but its
> truth yet awaits discovery. I can imagine the
> embellishments added to
> comfort a disquieted child who can't sleep late into
> the night. Yet, fact
> or fiction, it is like a lantern that is held far
> ahead on the path and
> beckons me to follow.
>
> So far, the search has remained primarily in
> Guadalajara where the children
> of Pioquinta and Benigno lived out their lives and
> where, one by one, they
> have all been buried. Finding their birth records
> on the Family Search
> pilot website, I was led to Huejuquilla El Alto,
> Jalisco. In Pioquinta's
> death record that Sergio Alatorre found, it states
> she had come from there
> and it gave her parent's names, Ignacio Gonzalez and
> Antonia Figueroa.
> There was also found a record of one Jose Benigno
> Cabral born to Jose
> Manuel Toribio Cabral and Josefa Limas in Huejucar,
> Jalisco. So, this is
> where I am looking now. I had not been too
> successful in the past, but I
> have had so much help that I feel I am finally
> making progress.
>
> Corrine Ardoin
> Santa Maria, California

Thank you for sharing your progress...it certainly energizes me to stay
motivated in continuing my research of my ancestral lines. I have too found
that the Family Research Pilot website has been a useful tool; I found more
ancestors that my family never knew of. Again, thank you for sharing.

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Corrine
Ardoin
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:36 AM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Updated My File

Hi, Everyone:
I updated my genealogy file folder. I added some more names to my surname
list and I placed my updated ancestral charts in the file, removing the old
charts. You will note that one of these charts is called a "Preliminary"
chart. This is because it is the information I am basing my research on. I
put it into chart form to aid my research and show Nuestros Ranchos members
more clearly the direction this body of research is heading.

This "Preliminary Cabral Ancestral Chart" is based on the research I have
done on my Cabral family history, plus what I have found on the IGI and
Family Search Pilot website. I put this all together with the information I
have been so fortunate to receive from my newly found cousins in
Guadalajara. Using this chart, I hope to follow this as a guide to learning
more about my Cabral ancestry. I cannot say enough kind words of gratitude
and appreciation to Sergio Alatorre for all his hard work and willingness to
share so much with me. And, I give thanks to his brother, Roberto Alatorre,
and also to Eduardo and Rodrigo Cardenas. I am so happy to have found out
about all of you and I hope that I will be able to meet all of you in
person. Hopefully that will be sooner than later. I also hope that we can
continue to help one another with our research.

My Cabral family history research began with the stories handed down and
certainly embellished and filled in where memory began to fail. It was said
that Benigno Cabral, my great-great-grandfather, was a Portuguese merchant
sea captain and that he had met Pioquinta Gonzalez Figueroa and eloped from
Spain to Zacatecas, Mexico. The full account is a wonderful story, but its
truth yet awaits discovery. I can imagine the embellishments added to
comfort a disquieted child who can't sleep late into the night. Yet, fact
or fiction, it is like a lantern that is held far ahead on the path and
beckons me to follow.

So far, the search has remained primarily in Guadalajara where the children
of Pioquinta and Benigno lived out their lives and where, one by one, they
have all been buried. Finding their birth records on the Family Search
pilot website, I was led to Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco. In Pioquinta's
death record that Sergio Alatorre found, it states she had come from there
and it gave her parent's names, Ignacio Gonzalez and Antonia Figueroa.
There was also found a record of one Jose Benigno Cabral born to Jose
Manuel Toribio Cabral and Josefa Limas in Huejucar, Jalisco. So, this is
where I am looking now. I had not been too successful in the past, but I
have had so much help that I feel I am finally making progress.

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

no hay mas libros retoños de españa de don Mariano Gonzalez leal,el esta terminando una nueva edicion que consta de 11 libros,el quedo de decirme cuando esten a la venta , yo les avisare.
iam writing in spanish because my english is not to good,i hope you understand.

Ruben Casillas M.

--- El lun 11-ago-08, Marionicia escribió:

De:: Marionicia
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] I am willing to buy the new Retonos de España also
A: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: lunes, 11 agosto, 2008, 6:28 pm

Count me in the group, if any, to buy Don Mariano Gonzalez-Leal´s new
Retonos... my way for pay is a deposit if there is a bank account. Thanks,
Leticia Leon

Don Mariano Gonzalez Leal attended the conference at Valle de Gudalupe, Jalisco, held on August 2. He brought with him a proof set of his latest publication which will consist of 7 volumes:

#1-Historia y Antropologia
#2-Araiza---Cano
#3-Carlin---Garcia de Cuevas
#4-Garcia de Hermosillo---Guillen
#5-Gutierrez Coronado---Manso de Zuñiga
#6-Marin de Pedroza---Ramirez de Mendoza
#7-Ramirez de Olivas---Zubieta.

As for the cost, he said that it would be up to the Casa Editorial (printer/publisher) to set the cost.

Don Mariano had just received the books a couple of days before the conference for his review and approval. He mentioned that they could possibly be available to the public before the end of this year or early 2009.

The proof set of books is not only very attractive, but also made of high quality materials and the printing is excellent. I hope the same quality will carry through the production process. They average about 2 inches in thickness.

John Gonzalez
1gnzlz@verizon.net

Hi Patricia et al, can anyone tell me about Martin? Here is what I have

Descendants of Martin Tello De Orozco

1 Martin Tello De Orozco

.. +Antonia Sotto

.. 2 Juana Tello b: January 26, 1697/98

...... +Domingo Saldana Garcia Ruiz De Esparza b: February 24, 1677/78

....... 3 Maria Leonarda Tello Esparza b: November 06, 1720

....... 3 Lorenzo Jose Tello Esparza b: March 21, 1721/22

thanks, phyls esparza

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From: "patricia burton"
To:
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:55 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Notes on Senor Doctor Don Jeronimo de
Orozco(Judge)

> Saturday, July 26, 2008
>
> These are the notes that I have for Jeronimo de
> OROZCO. I have his birth as about 1520 in Sevilla,
> Espana, from my good friend Hugo Moises in Capilla de
> Guadalupe and Guadalajara. He sent the birth info in
> 2001.
>
>
> Retonos de Espana en La Nueva Galacia
> por Mariano GONZALEZ-Leal, Tomo 1:
>
> Page 17...En los ultimos lustros del siglo XVI, la
> Real Audiencia de la Nueva Galicia concedio
> diversas mercedes de tierras "en terminos del pueblo
> de Atotonilco el Alto", pero ya a estancieros
> espanoles. Poseo copia de una de ellas: la que el
> Gobernador de Nueva Galicia, el doctor don Jeronimo de
> Orozco, otorgo en Guadalajara el 9 de septiembre de
> 1577 a Diego de Puga. En ella se hace referencia a
> duenos anteriores. La caratula asienta: "Titulo de
> una merced en testimonio, dada por el Senor Doctor don
> Jeromimo de Orozco, a Diego de Puga, de un sitio de
> estancia para ganado mayor en terminos del pueblo de
> Atototnilco, el Rio abaxo de el dicho pueblo de cerca
> de unos guaxes, y la otra parte un rio que viene de
> dicho pueblo de Atotonilco, linde con estancias del
> dicho Diego de Puga y los demas herederos de Andres de
> Villanueva, y por otra parte, con herederos de
> Proano,hacia el pueblo Cav.s. del dicho Puga, fecha en
> Guadalajara a 9 de sre. de 1577".(11)
>
> El testimonio que tengo a la vista se encuentra en
> un expediente formado a solicitud de don
> Manuel-Silvestre Perez de Camino, Caballero de
> Santiago y Contador Honorario del Real Tribunal y
> Audiencia de Cuentas de la Nueva Espana, quien en 1752
> era dueno de las tierras objeto de la antigua merced;
> expediente en el que se hallan constancias,
> testimonios y documentos, que asientan ser copias
> fieles de los originales (12). Para 1752, las tierras
> se demoninaban "los Huajes, Charcon, Cruces y
> Corientes" (13).
>
> Segun datos que constan en el archivo de la
> Diocesis de San Juan de los Lagos, la ereccion
> canonica de la parroquia de Ayo el Chico data-bajo la
> tutela del santo patrono, San Agustin de Hipona-, de
> 1663, mientras que la de Atotonilco el Alto-bajo el
> patrocinio de San Miguel-del 3 de enero de 1618 (14).
> Probablemente esos sean los anos en los que la
> parroquia se autorizo formalmente, pero es indudable
> que desde mas de un siglo antes, en esas tierras habia
> culto religioso continuo, y fundaciones legales
> formalmente verificadas.
>
> (11) El orginal pertenece a la senorita Maria
> Guadalupe Romo Orozco, vecina de la ciudad de Leon.
>
> (12) Ib.
> (13) Ib.
> (14) Op. cit. en nota (1), pagina 162.
>
> (1) Fabregas, Andres: Los Altos de Jalisco,
> caracteristicas generales. En: Jose Dias,
> Roman Rodriguez: El movimiento cristero: sociedad y
> conflicto el los Altos de Jalisco.
>
> CIS-INAH, Editorial Nueva Imagen, Mejico 1979,
> pag. 13 y siguientes.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hi Patricia I was amased as to this person Manuel Camino! Do you have any info on him possibly in Retoños de España? Thanks. I guess my grandfather was right "Los Caminos fueron de importancia a España! Thanks! -Daniel

El testimonio que tengo a la vista se encuentra enun expediente formado a solicitud de donManuel-Silvestre Perez de Camino, Caballero deSantiago y Contador Honorario del Real Tribunal yAudiencia de Cuentas de la Nueva Espana, quien en 1752era dueno de las tierras objeto de la antigua merced; expediente en el que se hallan constancias,testimonios y documentos, que asientan ser copiasfieles de los originales (12). Para 1752, las tierrasse demoninaban "los Huajes, Charcon, Cruces yCorientes" (13).
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--- On Fri, 8/8/08, Tomás Alejandro Villegas Gómez wrote:

From: Tomás Alejandro Villegas Gómez
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Fotos de la 1a. Reuniion Grupo Nuestros Ranchos
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org, Genealogia-Mexico@googlegroups.com, genealogia.org.mx@gmail.com, general@nuestrosranchos.org, genealogia-mexico-occidente@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 7:25 AM

Hola a todos los amigos genealogistas:

Solo para informar que acabo de subir a mi pagina de MySpace
las 177 fotos que tome en el !er. Encuentro del grupo "Nuestros
Ranchos" con la Conferencia Genial del Dr. Don Mariano Gonzalez
Leal donde presento los 7 Tomos definitivos de su Gran Obra
"Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia" que tentativamente
saldra a la venta en Enero Proximo, este magno evento fue
organizado por Ricardo Rodriguez Camarena, al que vuelvo a
felicitar por su excelente organizacion del evento.

Ya Ricardo se encargara de poner estas mismas fotos y otras mas
ya bien editadas, y acomodadas, estas fotos que yo puse estan en
"Bruto", tal como se tomaron y en su secuencia original, espero poner
tambien lo mas pronto que sea posible el Video de la Conferencia.

POR FAVOR, COMENTEN las fotos y si reconocen o se reconocen a
las personas que estan en las fotos, dejen saberlo en los comentarios
de la foto.

Mi -mail: vigotal@gmail.com

Las Fotos estan en:

www.myspace.com/vigotal

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Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez