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Elizondo, Aguilar, Duarte; Mazapil, Zacatecas, 1630's

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Estoy tratando de encontrar algun documento o la transcripcion de algun documento que pruebe que MAGDALENA DE AGUILAR (esposa de FRANCISCO ELIZONZDO) era hija de GASPAR DUARTE y MARIA DE AGUILAR (todo

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Published by josiett – Sun, 2010-10-31 21:00 | Permalink

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Hi Victor!

I just sent you a couple of pages on the info you requested. I will
look through the rest of the book and send you anything else I find, ok?

Thanks!

Josie Trevino Trevino
On Oct 31, 2010, at 9:10 PM, mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx wrote:

>
> I am trying to find some document or the transcription of a document
> showing if MAGDALENA DE AGUILAR (wife of FRANCISCO ELIZONZDO) was
> the daughter of GASPAR DUARTE and MARIA DE AGUILAR (they all lived
> in MAZAPIL, Zacatecas, around 1625-1655). I think the following book
> may have this information, particularly on page 16. If somebody has
> it and could please send me a photo or image of the parts of the
> book containing biographical information of these persons or their
> children I’d really appreciate it. Thanks a lot, VN
>
> Guillermo Garmendia Leal, Origen de los Fundadores de Texas, Nuevo
> Mexico, Coahuila y Nuevo Leon. ZACATECAS, Tomo 1, 1995 (Contains
> marriages of Mazapil, 1649-1700, Deaths in Mazapil, 1667-1693, and
> protocolos of Mazapil 1568-1713. Jursiciction included six outposts
> & haciendas. Monterrey, 1995, 1st Ed., 107 Pgs.)
>
> Victoriano Navarro

Familia de la Cámara y Menoyo. Hacienda de Santa Clara.

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Hola compañeros de nuestros ranchos, tengo tiempo en búsqueda de mis ancestros de la Cámara y Menoyo, vecinos de la Hacienda de Santa Clara en jurisdicción de Jalpa, Zacatecas.

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Published by mendezdetorres – Wed, 2010-10-20 10:15 | Permalink

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Hola Jorge,

Si he trabajado poco en lineas de Jalpa, pero no al extenso que me considero experto en esta
area. La problema que he notado de Jalpa, la poblacion no tuvieron Iglesia or registro hasta
los principios del siglo XIX. Aunque si se hace referencia que habia una Iglesia durante
la colonia pero no hay ningun registro sacramental de esa epoca por Jalpa. He notado
tambien, pues mis lineas de Jalpa, se fueron hasta lugares como Tabasco, Calvillo,
Aguascalientes, Tlatenango, Nochistlan para ser sus sacramentos. Lo misma va para
la poblacion de Juchipila, realmente cun~a de los Flores de la Torre, en que si he estudiado
bastante.

Aqui te proporciono algunos registros que ojala sera util:

Name: Maria Del Asumpsion Corona Caxigales
Baptism/Christening Date: 21 Aug 1726
Baptism/Christening Place: NOCHISTLAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
Father's Name: Cayetano Corona
Mother's Name: Juana De Caxigales

Casaron dichos

Groom's Name: Cayetano Corona
Bride's Name: Juana Tereza Cagigales
Marriage Date: 31 May 1721
Marriage Place: Nochistlan,Zacatecas,Mexico

Sospecho que hay posbilidad que estos sean hermanos de tu Gabriel ya que casaron alreador
del mismo tiempo y tal razon que el apellido Camara-Menoyo no es comun.

Groom's Name: Jn. Manuel De La Camara Y Menozo
Bride's Name: Maria Thereza Castanedo Y Zenallos
Marriage Date: 02 Feb 1727
Marriage Place: Nochistlan,Zacatecas,Mexico

Groom's Name: Justiniano De Moscoso Y Sandobal
Bride's Name: Maria Theresa De La Camara Y Menoyo
Marriage Date: 23 May 1756
Marriage Place: Nochistlan,Zacatecas,Mexico

Fuente: Todos sacados de Microfilm de los partidos sacramentales de Nochistlan
Y Poco estudio que he hecho de esta familia.

Hay muchisimos Castaneda Ceballos (no es Castanedo y Zenallos).
Le sugiero en buscar el matrimonio de Justianano Moscoso Sandoval
ya que en ese tiempo si registra los nombres de padres. Dudo
que en la partida de Juan MAnuel en 1727 menciona los padres.
Todos estos seran pistas que nos ayudara en alguna manera.
Perdon que no puede estudiar esta familia con mas estudiez ya que
me roba el tiempo con otros proyectos. Solo pense que podia ayudar
a lo menos con estos. Ojala que te puedo ayudar Jorge.

Estoy interesado en esta familia tambien, digame si tienes exito en
esta linea.

Daniel

Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon

> From: georgio_2386@hotmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:55:07 -0500
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia de la Cámara y Menoyo. Hacienda de Santa Clara.
>
>
> Hola compañeros de nuestros ranchos, tengo tiempo en búsqueda de mis ancestros de la Cámara y Menoyo, vecinos de la Hacienda de Santa Clara en jurisdicción de Jalpa, Zacatecas. La última persona que tengo registrada de dicha familia es a mi ancestro Juan de la Cámara y Menoyo, esposo de María Flores de la Torre, de quienes no tengo quienes son sus ancestros.
>
> Juan de la Cámara y Menoyo y María Flores de la Torre tuvieron por hijo a Gabriel de la Cámara y Menoyo, segundo de sus hijos, quien casó en Nochistlán con María de la Asunción Corona Caxigales el 13 de noviembre de 1743, hija legítima de Cayetano Corona y Juana Teresa Caxigales, de quienes tampoco se quienes fueron sus ancestros.

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Saul Navarro
Justiniano de Moscoso y Sandoval casado con Maria Theresa de la Camara y Menoyo en Nochistlan Zac. el 23 de Mayo 1756. La acta dice que Theresa fue espuesta en la casa de Don Manuel de la Camara y Menoyo y Dona Maria Theresa de Castanedo. Justiniano es mi 8x abuelo en mi linia materna y el padre de Maria Manuela Sandoval y Moscoso casada con Joseph Mariano Teyo en el dia 15 de Mayo del ano 1775 en Nochistlan Zacatecas.
Saul Navarro

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Daniel:

Mi abuelox9 era Agustín Flores de la Torre c.c. Cathalina de Vargas Castañeda alrededor de 1700 en Teúl, Zac, ella era hija de Jucepe de Vargas Castañeda y María Vela de Rodas.

Sabes quienes eran los ancestros de Agustín, donde nació, en fin información de su familia?

Ellos procrearon a por lo menos:

Francisa b. 1706
María Gertrudis b 1710
Agustin b. 1713
Thoribio b. 1715 cc Maria Gertrudis Pinto y Avila
y Antonia Beatríz b. 1717

Todos bautizados en Teúl, Zacatecas.

SALUDOS.

Chema

Cortez Alvarado helping the Ybarra family

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I need help...I'm trying to help my brother-in-law locate his g grandfather...Juan Ybarra......just trying to find out where he was born.

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Published by siriuslr – Tue, 2010-10-26 22:00 | Permalink

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I think is the same family I don´t Know regards Lety R

sghome57 at hotmail dot com
13-Apr-2006 13:30
#2851

Hi..my name is Sara Ybarra Gomez and my family is from Dallas, Texas. My father is Birginio Pena Ybarra and my mother is Mary Louise Vargas Ybarra. My brothers are Raymond,Ramero,Frednando,Baldemare,Carlos, Edward, Arthur and Albert. My sister is Virginia and we are all from Dallas. My father however is from Electra Texas and his father is Juan Rangel Ybarra and my grandmother is Apolinaria Pena Ybarra. I was told that my grandmother is an American Indian and my grandfather is from Mexico. Any information would be greatly appreciated. My neice Jennifer Ybarra is working on our family tree and I would like to help. Thanks,Sara
http://www.buber.net/Basque/Surname/Y/ybarra.html?page=4

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: maria.cortes@trin.net
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:57:27 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cortez Alvarado helping the Ybarra family
>
> I need help...I'm trying to help my brother-in-law locate his g grandfather...Juan Ybarra......just trying to find out where he was born.
>
> Manuel Ybarra married Elisa Ybarra in Dallas Tx . Manuel was born in Kaufman Tx on 1920. He had a brother named Birginio Ybarra born in 1927.
>
> Their parents were Juan R Yabarra and Apolinaria Pena. Juan was born in Mexico but we can not find out where he was born. Juan's father was
>
> Apolinario Ybarra or Abolinario Ybarra born in Mexico too we guess. Apolinario's wife only has a name of "Espiririona" not sure if this is a last name or a first name.
>
> We got a hold of Juan Ybarra's Death certificate and this is where it says that his parents were Abolinario Ybarra and Espiririona.
>
>
> Can anyone help.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>

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Hi Maria,
I have a subscription to ancestry.com and may have found a border crossing record of Juan Ybarra. I will send it to the e-mail you have listed for this site. I'm not sure if it will come through as coming from me or ancestry, so be on the lookout. If you have trouble viewing it, please let me know.
Sherri Mora

Francisco Flores Nuño El Salto, Jalisco about 1943 +/- 5 years

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Hello All,

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Published by rarroyo – Thu, 2010-10-28 09:17 | Permalink

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Rafael Arroyo (Flores) -Gomez

After speaking with my Grandma...I was able to gather a few more facts on my father's Paternal side.

My fathers, father was Lorenzo Flores and his fathers name was Pablo Flores.

In addition my Grandmothers info is:

Her name Maria de Jesus Nuño Vera, one brother Alfonso Nuño Vera

Her parents Josephina Vera Alvares and Francisco Nuño Noriega

Cheers,
Rafael

need help

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I search on the beta files and I need help identifing the location of the Marriage Place: Santiago Apostol,Neutla,Guanajuato,Mexico
Where is this church or city in Guanajuato?
Thank you:

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Published by mendezdetorres – Mon, 2010-10-25 10:30 | Permalink

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Hi Sylvia!

Neutla and San Juan de la Vega are towns just outside Comonfort, Gto. The closest major town
in that area are Salamanca, Celaya and Santiago de Queretaro. These towns your looking for
are just north of Celaya.

Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: shcorona@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 01:32:13 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] need help
>
> I search on the beta files and I need help identifing the location of the Marriage Place: Santiago Apostol,Neutla,Guanajuato,Mexico
> Where is this church or city in Guanajuato?
> Thank you:
> Groom's Name Jose Ygo. Herrera
> Groom's Birth Date
> Groom's Birthplace
> Groom's Age
> Bride's Name Ma. Ramona Nunes De La Roxa
> Bride's Birth Date
> Bride's Birthplace
> Bride's Age
> Marriage Date 16 Jan 1813
> Marriage Place Santiago Apostol,Neutla,Guanajuato,Mexico
> Indexing Project (Batch) Number M60796-9
> System Origin Mexico-ODM
> Source Film Number 655363
> Thank you
> Sylvia H Corona Cortes

Published by papa salvador – Mon, 2010-10-25 10:45 | Permalink

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Thank you so much. ALso do you know where is San Juan Bautista, San Juan de
la Vega, Guanajuato?
Sylvia

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Daniel Mendez y Perez de Camino <
mendezdelcamino@live.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Sylvia!
>
> Neutla and San Juan de la Vega are towns just outside Comonfort, Gto. The
> closest major town
> in that area are Salamanca, Celaya and Santiago de Queretaro. These towns
> your looking for
> are just north of Celaya.
>
>
> Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon
>
>
>
>
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > From: shcorona@gmail.com
> > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 01:32:13 -0700
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] need help
> >
> > I search on the beta files and I need help identifing the location of the
> Marriage Place: Santiago Apostol,Neutla,Guanajuato,Mexico
> > Where is this church or city in Guanajuato?
> > Thank you:
> > Groom's Name Jose Ygo. Herrera
> > Groom's Birth Date
> > Groom's Birthplace
> > Groom's Age
> > Bride's Name Ma. Ramona Nunes De La Roxa
> > Bride's Birth Date
> > Bride's Birthplace
> > Bride's Age
> > Marriage Date 16 Jan 1813
> > Marriage Place Santiago Apostol,Neutla,Guanajuato,Mexico
> > Indexing Project (Batch) Number M60796-9
> > System Origin Mexico-ODM
> > Source Film Number 655363
> > Thank you
> > Sylvia H Corona Cortes
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Published by mendezdetorres – Mon, 2010-10-25 11:15 | Permalink

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San Juan Bautista is the parrish or the church of the town San Juan de la Vega,
this town is also near Celaya. There all within distance of Celaya, which is a
major town in the area.

Daniel

> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:32:31 -0500
> From: shcorona@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] need help
>
> Daniel:
> Thank you so much. ALso do you know where is San Juan Bautista, San Juan de
> la Vega, Guanajuato?
> Sylvia
>
> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Daniel Mendez y Perez de Camino <
> mendezdelcamino@live.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Sylvia!
> >
> > Neutla and San Juan de la Vega are towns just outside Comonfort, Gto. The
> > closest major town
> > in that area are Salamanca, Celaya and Santiago de Queretaro. These towns
> > your looking for
> > are just north of Celaya.
> >
> >
> > Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > > From: shcorona@gmail.com
> > > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 01:32:13 -0700
> > > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] need help
> > >
> > > I search on the beta files and I need help identifing the location of the
> > Marriage Place: Santiago Apostol,Neutla,Guanajuato,Mexico
> > > Where is this church or city in Guanajuato?
> > > Thank you:
> > > Groom's Name Jose Ygo. Herrera
> > > Groom's Birth Date
> > > Groom's Birthplace
> > > Groom's Age
> > > Bride's Name Ma. Ramona Nunes De La Roxa
> > > Bride's Birth Date
> > > Bride's Birthplace
> > > Bride's Age
> > > Marriage Date 16 Jan 1813
> > > Marriage Place Santiago Apostol,Neutla,Guanajuato,Mexico
> > > Indexing Project (Batch) Number M60796-9
> > > System Origin Mexico-ODM
> > > Source Film Number 655363
> > > Thank you
> > > Sylvia H Corona Cortes
> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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> > >
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> >
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>
>
> --
> Sylvia H Corona Cortes

identify location of data

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Here is one more record from the Beta site that I need help identifying the locaation: Baptism/Christening Place SAN JUAN BAUTISTA, SAN JUAN DE LA VEGA,
GUANAJUATO, MEXICO

The 2nd Annual Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society Conference

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This is just to let the Nuestros Ranchos group know that the registration form is now available for the 2nd Annual Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society Conference, to be held on April 30, 2011 in Rancho

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Published by rosa9972 – Sat, 2010-10-23 15:55 | Permalink

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I've received a few emails about the registration form. If you emailed me your request from July, August, or September, I emailed you from NGGSConference at yahoo dot com. I attached the registration form and an informational flyer.

However, sometimes email programs place emails containing files from an unknown source in the SPAM folder, so please check there to see if it was misplaced. Otherwise, you can contact me through the Nuestros Ranchos contact form, which is under a different email address, and I'll send it to you individually.

Thanks!

Rosalinda

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Thank you Rosalinda,

Maybe some people like me have replied and indicated they intend on coming but
won't really know if we can make it or not until a couple of months before the
event. With children and family there are always unexpected events.

If we send the money and for some reason cannot attend, will we get a refund?

Thanks,
Alicia, San Jose, Ca

________________________________
From: "lareina2@ix.netcom.com"
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sat, October 23, 2010 3:55:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society
Conference

I've received a few emails about the registration form. If you emailed me your
request from July, August, or September, I emailed you from NGGSConference at
yahoo dot com. I attached the registration form and an informational flyer.

However, sometimes email programs place emails containing files from an unknown
source in the SPAM folder, so please check there to see if it was misplaced.
Otherwise, you can contact me through the Nuestros Ranchos contact form, which
is under a different email address, and I'll send it to you individually.

Thanks!

Rosalinda

The Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society Conference

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Rosalinda
I have not received my registration. But then again I may have.....I
always get rid of spam....
Could you send me another.

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Published by Paul Gomez – Sun, 2010-10-24 12:00 | Permalink

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Please send me a Registration Form.

Thank you.

Paul J Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 14:32:23
To:
Reply-to: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society
Conference

Rosalinda
I have not received my registration. But then again I may have.....I
always get rid of spam....
Could you send me another. I am coming in from Texas.

Mickey

In a message dated 10/23/2010 5:55:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
lareina2@ix.netcom.com writes:

I've received a few emails about the registration form. If you emailed me
your request from July, August, or September, I emailed you from
NGGSConference at yahoo dot com. I attached the registration form and an
informational flyer.

However, sometimes email programs place emails containing files from an
unknown source in the SPAM folder, so please check there to see if it was
misplaced. Otherwise, you can contact me through the Nuestros Ranchos contact
form, which is under a different email address, and I'll send it to you
individually.

Thanks!

Rosalinda

Apellidos help!

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Dear Group,
While researching my father's side---
Josse de Jesus Esteban Garza Cantu 01/04/1798, his parents were named as:  Josse Francisco Garza Falcon y Tixerina, and the mother as:  Ana Maria

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Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Thu, 2010-10-21 18:47 | Permalink

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Hi Alice,
In this issue of Somos Primos they have an article named "The Descendents of Don Pedro de Almandos" where they show:
ANA-MARIA CANTU-DEL-RIO-Y-DE-LA-CERDA, b. 25 Feb 1772, Nuestra Sra de Guadalupe, Salinas Victoria, Nuevo Leon, Mexico
.. as the daughter of JOSEPH-JOAQUIN CANTU-DEL-RIO-Y-DE-LA-CERDA and MARIA-MANUELA DE ALMANDOZ, so her name would match the one you found.
http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2007/spmar07/spmar07.htm

You can use this information as a good template and try to confirm all the connections with actual documents.

I would take these long surnames found in so many genealogies with a grain of salt. Certainly in Mexico we use two surnames instead of one (the first surname of the father and the first surname of the mother, in that order), however it seems to me that was not always the case, especially in Northeastern Mexico. After reading hundreds of documents, I realized that most people in NE Mexico only used ONE surname throughout their life, unlike people in central Mexico were it was more common to use the second surname as well. I guess the use of TWO surnames in the whole country became standardized during the 20th century when they started to ask for both surnames when filling information in official documents.
Also many people had multiple-word-surnames (de la Garza Falcon; Gonzalez Hermosillo; Rodriguez de Montemayor) but their descendants would only use a short version (Garza, Gonzalez, Rodriguez).
Unfortunately, while compiling the names of our Mexican ancestors, a lot of us give them two surnames as in our current custom without having any document showing whether they actually used both of them. And if their parents had multiple-word-surnames we end up with names with 3-4 surnames, which the person may had never actually used.
However, the second surname is very useful in genealogy to distinguish between persons since you can have several individuals in one family with the same name and first surname (children, cousins, uncles). I would suggest to write down the second surname between [brackets] unless you find documents showing that the persons indeed used the second surnames during their life.
Regards,

Victoriano Navarro

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Hello Victoriano,
Good to hear from you!  Thank you for the information.  You're right; the multiple surname is both a blessing and causes confusion at the same time.   FYI:  The entry does read "Juaquin Cantu del Rio y la Zerda" and on another he's simply Joaquin Cantu.  You never know!
Thanks again for all your help.   Alice  

--- On Fri, 10/22/10, mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx wrote:

From: mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] loooooong surnames
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, October 22, 2010, 1:47 AM

Hi Alice,
In this issue of Somos Primos they have an article named "The Descendents of Don Pedro de Almandos" where they show: ANA-MARIA CANTU-DEL-RIO-Y-DE-LA-CERDA, b. 25 Feb 1772, Nuestra Sra de Guadalupe, Salinas Victoria, Nuevo Leon, Mexico
.. as the daughter of JOSEPH-JOAQUIN CANTU-DEL-RIO-Y-DE-LA-CERDA and MARIA-MANUELA DE ALMANDOZ, so her name would match the one you found.
http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2007/spmar07/spmar07.htm

You can use this information as a good template and try to confirm all the connections with actual documents.

I would take these long surnames found in so many genealogies with a grain of salt. Certainly in Mexico we use two surnames instead of one (the first surname of the father and the first surname of the mother, in that order), however it seems to me that was not always the case, especially in Northeastern Mexico. After reading hundreds of documents, I realized that most people in NE Mexico only used ONE surname throughout their life, unlike people in central Mexico were it was more common to use the second surname as well. I guess the use of TWO surnames in the whole country became standardized during the 20th century when they started to ask for both surnames when filling information in official documents. Also many people had multiple-word-surnames (de la Garza Falcon; Gonzalez Hermosillo; Rodriguez de Montemayor) but their descendants would only use a short version (Garza, Gonzalez, Rodriguez). Unfortunately, while compiling the names of our Mexican
ancestors, a lot of us give them two surnames as in our current custom without having any document showing whether they actually used both of them. And if their parents had multiple-word-surnames we end up with names with 3-4 surnames, which the person may had never actually used. However, the second surname is very useful in genealogy to distinguish between persons since you can have several individuals in one family with the same name and first surname (children, cousins, uncles). I would suggest to write down the second surname between [brackets] unless you find documents showing that the persons indeed used the second surnames during their life.
Regards,

Victoriano Navarro

Published by Jaime Alvarado – Wed, 2010-07-14 07:50 | Permalink

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Alice,
The surnames you mentioned are more commonly found in Coahuila (Saltillo)-Nuevo Leon (Monterrey) region. My database includes those surnames for that region, although not those individuals. You may want to visit Raul Longoria's very impressive database for that region at: http://www.raullongoria.net/Genealogy/FamilyTree/index.html.

In addition, you may want to visit the following link: http://genealogia-mexico.blogspot.com/2010/06/re-genealogia-de-mexico-2…
the su rnames Garza Falcon y Tixerina, and Cantu Rio y Serda y Almandos appear linked in the same time line as yours.

Good luck

Jaime Alvarado

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Thanks so much.  I happily accept your suggestions.   Alice

--- On Mon, 6/14/10, Jaime R. Alvarado wrote:

From: Jaime R. Alvarado
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apellidos help!
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, June 14, 2010, 9:50 PM

Alice,
The surnames you mentioned are more commonly found in Coahuila (Saltillo)-Nuevo Leon (Monterrey) region. My database includes those surnames for that region, although not those individuals. You may want to visit Raul Longoria's very impressive database for that region at: http://www.raullongoria.net/Genealogy/FamilyTree/index.html.

In addition, you may want to visit the following link: http://genealogia-mexico.blogspot.com/2010/06/re-genealogia-de-mexico-2…
the su rnames Garza Falcon y Tixerina, and Cantu Rio y Serda y Almandos appear linked in the same time line as yours.

Good luck

Jaime Alvarado

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Hola, a todos.

Necesito encontrar a una persona que llego procedente de estados unidos a mexico , pero entro por barco a Veracruz en 1920 mas o menos.

alguien sabe como encontrar informacion de barcos que desembarcaron en el puerto de veracruz en ese tiempo?

o alguien sabe como puedo encontrar listas de personas que entraron a estados Unidos procedentes de Mexico y que lo hicieron en barco ?

Bueno ojala alguien me pueda ayudar.

Martha Gomez

Published by mendezdetorres – Wed, 2010-10-20 22:15 | Permalink

Comment

Hola Martha si existe un registro que describe, solo he visto europeos en ese registro
pero quizas hay algun manera de localizar. Como debe saber, Verazruz era un puerto
principal de Mexico, este registro se qncuentra en el Archivo General de la Nacion,
en la Ciudad de Mexico, tambien se puede buscar online en el sitio del AGN, te enviare
el enlace para hacer busqueda. Tambien si me envies la informacion que buscas podia
ayudarte en una manera u otra.

Daniel

> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 04:56:04 +0000
> From: mgomez42@comcast.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] HELP!
>
>
>
>
> Hola, a todos.
>
> Necesito encontrar a una persona que llego procedente de estados unidos a mexico , pero entro por barco a Veracruz en 1920 mas o menos.
>
> alguien sabe como encontrar informacion de barcos que desembarcaron en el puerto de veracruz en ese tiempo?
>
> o alguien sabe como puedo encontrar listas de personas que entraron a estados Unidos procedentes de Mexico y que lo hicieron en barco ?
>
> Bueno ojala alguien me pueda ayudar.
>
> Martha Gomez

Published by Martha Gomez – Fri, 2010-10-22 22:00 | Permalink

Comment

hola, Daniel,

Muchisimas gracias  , mira estoy buscando a una senora que se llamaba Emilia Gonzalez Soto. es hija de  Jose Gonzalez Soto el nacio en espana en 1878 pero estuvo en mexico en la ciudad de puebla y en el distrito federal . el llego a Mexico en 1890 mas o menos parece que hizo una fortuna muy importante en mexico y tambien que tubo entro otros a una hija  que se llama como te mencione antes parece que nacio en Mexico d.f. entre 1908 y 1912 pero no encuentro su acta por ningun lado  ni en puebla ni en Mexico. intente buscarla en el censo de 1930 ( proque como sabes podemos ver todas las imagenes del censo por la computadora ) pero el problema es que el papa la mando a estudiar a Boston  y tambien estuvo en Canada y luego se caso en 1939  en puebla . pero necesito encontrar informacion de ella  porque quiero comprobar que fue hija de Jose Gonzalez Soto. y como no aparece ninguna acta de bautismo ni de registro civil entonces quiero ver como fue que salio del pais  si salio con permiso del papa o como le hicieron para que saliera de mexico . entonces se me ocurre que quizas en las listas de pasajeros de barcos  y tendria que ser del Puerto de Veracruz  en entradas o salidas porque ella nunca viajo en avion porque le daba miedo. o tambien ver si encuentro entradas de ella aqui en Estados Unidos. porque hubieron temporadas en las que vivio en Boston y tambien en New york como estudiante. bueno esto esta complicado. en realidad no es mi familiar pero estoy tratando de ayudar a un amigo mio que es el hijo de ella y que esta hasta deprimido porque no la podemos encontrar. creo que el quiere asegurarse de que ella si hubiera sido hija de Jose Gonzalez Soto. ( si no lo fue  biologicamente si lo fue por adopcion ) pero el problema es que no encuentro nada que hable sobre eso y tampoco se sabe el nombre de la mama.

Bueno Daniel ojala y me puedas ayudar o darme una pista.

Muchas Gracias.

Martha Gomez
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Mendez y Perez de Camino"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:00:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] HELP!

Hola Martha si existe un registro que describe, solo he visto europeos en ese registro
pero quizas hay algun manera de localizar. Como debe saber, Verazruz era un puerto
principal de Mexico, este registro se qncuentra en el Archivo General de la Nacion,
en la Ciudad de Mexico, tambien se puede buscar online en el sitio del AGN, te enviare
el enlace para hacer busqueda. Tambien si me envies la informacion que buscas podia
ayudarte en una manera u otra.

Daniel

 

> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 04:56:04 +0000
> From: mgomez42@comcast.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] HELP!
>
>
>
>
> Hola, a todos.
>
> Necesito encontrar a una persona que llego procedente de estados unidos a mexico , pero entro por barco a Veracruz en 1920 mas o menos.
>
> alguien sabe como encontrar informacion de barcos que desembarcaron en el puerto de veracruz en ese tiempo?
>
> o alguien sabe como puedo encontrar listas de personas que entraron a estados Unidos procedentes de Mexico y que lo hicieron en barco ?
>
> Bueno ojala alguien me pueda ayudar.
>
> Martha Gomez

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Wed, 2010-07-14 07:50 | Permalink

Comment

Garza falcon was one family name. It was like Alvarez-tostado. I will check on the others.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Alice Blake
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:15:21
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apellidos help!

Dear Group,
While researching my father's side---
Josse de Jesus Esteban Garza Cantu 01/04/1798, his parents were named as:  Josse Francisco Garza Falcon y Tixerina, and the mother as:  Ana Maria Cantu Rio y Serda y Almandos.
   I don't know how to decipher who are the grandparents, etc. 
This is the longest name I've come across and any help would be appreciated.    Thanks so much,   Alice

Comment

It's confusing, because I usually try to figure out which is the maternal surname.  I wasn't sure which if any were combined and considered one surname.  Thanks so much.  Alice

--- On Sun, 6/13/10, mygenes2000@yahoo.com wrote:

From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apellidos help!
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 8:44 PM

Garza falcon was one family name. It was like Alvarez-tostado.  I will check on the others.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Alice Blake
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:15:21
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apellidos help!

Dear Group,
While researching my father's side---
Josse de Jesus Esteban Garza Cantu 01/04/1798, his parents were named as:  Josse Francisco Garza Falcon y Tixerina, and the mother as:  Ana Maria Cantu Rio y Serda y Almandos.
   I don't know how to decipher who are the grandparents, etc. 
This is the longest name I've come across and any help would be appreciated.    Thanks so much,   Alice

Member Discussion List Privileges Suspended

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I have suspended the discussion list privileges for
thehuizarfamily@yahoo.com because of spam.

If there was a way I could prevent this before the spam is sent out to
the list I would be glad

Comments

Published by Armando – Fri, 2010-10-22 18:00 | Permalink

Comment

Every member should have antivirus and antispyware software in order to
prevent these messages in the future. Microsoft Security Essentials is free
to everyone with Vista or Windows 7. Many of the ISPs also provide antivris
programs for free. Other free antivirus software programs are AVG, PCTools,
and BitDefender.
Todos los miembros deberian tener un programa de antivirus y antispyware
para prevenir esos mensajes en el futuro. Microsoft Security Essentials es
gratis para todos que tienen Vista o Windows 7. Posiblemente los provedores
de Internet en México tienen versiones gratuitas de antivirus. Otros
programas gratis son AVG, PCtools, y Bitdefender.

http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/
Microsoft para México
http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/default.aspx?mkt=es-mx
http://free.antivirus.com/
http://free.avg.com/us-en/homepage
AVG en español
http://free.avg.com/es-es/inicio
http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/
http://www.bitdefender.com/PRODUCT-14-en--BitDefender-Free-Edition.html
Bitdender gratis para LatinoAmerica
http://www.bitdefender.com/latin/Products/showSolutions/6/

Armando

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

>
> I have suspended the discussion list privileges for
> thehuizarfamily@yahoo.com because of spam.
>
> If there was a way I could prevent this before the spam is sent out to the
> list I would be glad to do is short of monitoring every message before it
> goes out. Who know but it might come down to that if this type of spam
> continues.
>
> joseph
>
> ======================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
> http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
> http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
> http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
> Genealogy)
>
>

Comment

Thanks Armando,

I have AVG and it really does protect your computer, warns you when there's a
site that's a threat or an incident that's a threat.

Alicia

________________________________
From: Armando
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Fri, October 22, 2010 1:21:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Member Discussion List Privileges Suspended

Every member should have antivirus and antispyware software in order to
prevent these messages in the future. Microsoft Security Essentials is free
to everyone with Vista or Windows 7. Many of the ISPs also provide antivris
programs for free. Other free antivirus software programs are AVG, PCTools,
and BitDefender.
Todos los miembros deberian tener un programa de antivirus y antispyware
para prevenir esos mensajes en el futuro. Microsoft Security Essentials es
gratis para todos que tienen Vista o Windows 7. Posiblemente los provedores
de Internet en México tienen versiones gratuitas de antivirus. Otros
programas gratis son AVG, PCtools, y Bitdefender.

http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/
Microsoft para México
http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/default.aspx?mkt=es-mx
http://free.antivirus.com/
http://free.avg.com/us-en/homepage
AVG en español
http://free.avg.com/es-es/inicio
http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/
http://www.bitdefender.com/PRODUCT-14-en--BitDefender-Free-Edition.html
Bitdender gratis para LatinoAmerica
http://www.bitdefender.com/latin/Products/showSolutions/6/

Armando

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

>
> I have suspended the discussion list privileges for
> thehuizarfamily@yahoo.com because of spam.
>
> If there was a way I could prevent this before the spam is sent out to the
> list I would be glad to do is short of monitoring every message before it
> goes out. Who know but it might come down to that if this type of spam
> continues.
>
> joseph
>
> ======================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
> http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
> http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
> http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
> Genealogy)
>
>

COMO SE LLAMO EL PRIMER PRESIDENTE MUNICIPAL DE PUERTO VALLARTA

Published by drfelix44 –
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Esto es lo que se, pero si alguien puede confirmarme, se lo agradecere

C. Jose de Jesus Langarica Salcedo

Comments

Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Thu, 2010-10-21 18:59 | Permalink

Comment

Estas son páginas oficiales del gobierno y confirman la información que tiene. No sé si ya las había consultado:
http://www.e-local.gob.mx/wb2/ELOCAL/EMM_jalisco
http://www.e-local.gob.mx/work/templates/enciclo/jalisco/mpios/14067a.h…

http://jalisco.gob.mx/wps/portal/!ut/p/c0/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os…

Como puede ver ahí, anteriormente muchos presidentes municipales sólo duraban un año en funciones. Saudos cordiales,

Victoriano Navarro

ex-Hacienda de San Pedro ,Huanusco

Published by 1890rubio –
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Hello fellow members of Nuestros Ranchos ,I am interested in any recent photos of La ex -Hacienda de San Pedro ,Huanusco and would like to see the original casa del Hacendado and also of the Main Hous

Comments

Published by mendezdetorres – Wed, 2010-10-20 20:00 | Permalink

Comment

Mi primo Victor debe tener fotos, le preguntare,

Daniel

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: rubio.francisco@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:16:13 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] ex-Hacienda de San Pedro ,Huanusco
>
> Hello fellow members of Nuestros Ranchos ,I am interested in any recent photos of La ex -Hacienda de San Pedro ,Huanusco and would like to see the original casa del Hacendado and also of the Main House of La Hacienda de La Luz ,Huanusco.Vintage photos and new are greatly appreciated .

familysearch pilot program

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Comments

Published by Rose Hardy – Fri, 2010-10-15 16:29 | Permalink

Comment

I find the Beta site is not very user friendly.....but hold on to your hats because I was told by a church member that they will be eventually be moving the records again to a final site. She also is having problems with records not being at the Beta site when they were at the Pilot site. Just send a feed back response with your concern. Also it helps when requesting missing records to go the the library catalog for the location in Jalisco and Zacatecas and copy and paste the catalog information with the missing towns and records. I have done this in the past and got a response with the records being added within a month...maybe I was just lucky.

I'm feeling your frustration too.

Rose

Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Wed, 2010-10-13 07:33 | Permalink

Comment

Hi Linda,
I don't think they will put them back on the PILOT website, they will put them in the BETA website instead.
You can ask them to load the images you want in the BETA site through their FEEDBACK link, mentioning they were available on PILOT. Chances are they are going to respond that they are in the process of moving images from one set of servers to another so some images are currently unavailable, and that they expect the transfer to take another few weeks so keep checking back.
Regarding the collections they upload to beta.familysearch.org I heard they do give priority to the collections people are asking for through this feedback, so it may be a good idea for everybody to ask for the collections from the Zacatecas, Jalisco and Aguascalientes towns and parishes currently missing.
Good luck!

Victoriano Navarro

Comment

thank you Victoriano.. really good suggestion so I will do it.
Linda in Marietta

________________________________
From: "mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 10:33:11 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] requesting online collections for familysearch

Hi Linda,
I don't think they will put them back on the PILOT website, they will put them
in the BETA website instead.
You can ask them to load the images you want in the BETA site through their
FEEDBACK link, mentioning they were available on PILOT. Chances are they are
going to respond that they are in the process of moving images from one set of
servers to another so some images are currently unavailable, and that they
expect the transfer to take another few weeks so keep checking back. Regarding
the collections they upload to beta.familysearch.org I heard they do give
priority to the collections people are asking for through this feedback, so it
may be a good idea for everybody to ask for the collections from the Zacatecas,
Jalisco and Aguascalientes towns and parishes currently missing.
Good luck!

Victoriano Navarro

Comment

just wanted to let you know the Sagrada Mitra records I was looking for are now
on the Familysearch beta program.. these are the actual records not
condensations..

Linda in Marietta.

________________________________
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 12:30:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] requesting online collections for familysearch

thank you Victoriano.. really good suggestion so I will do it.
Linda in Marietta

________________________________
From: "mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 10:33:11 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] requesting online collections for familysearch

Hi Linda,
I don't think they will put them back on the PILOT website, they will put them
in the BETA website instead.
You can ask them to load the images you want in the BETA site through their
FEEDBACK link, mentioning they were available on PILOT. Chances are they are
going to respond that they are in the process of moving images from one set of
servers to another so some images are currently unavailable, and that they
expect the transfer to take another few weeks so keep checking back. Regarding
the collections they upload to beta.familysearch.org I heard they do give
priority to the collections people are asking for through this feedback, so it
may be a good idea for everybody to ask for the collections from the Zacatecas,
Jalisco and Aguascalientes towns and parishes currently missing.
Good luck!

Victoriano Navarro

Comment

Hi, Linda,---how are these Sagrada records listed in the Beta? How do you access them. I find Beta so confusing to navigate.

Thanks,
Emilie

> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:07:46 -0700
> From: longsjourney@yahoo.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] requesting online collections for familysearch
>
> just wanted to let you know the Sagrada Mitra records I was looking for are now
> on the Familysearch beta program.. these are the actual records not
> condensations..
>
> Linda in Marietta.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 12:30:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] requesting online collections for familysearch
>
> thank you Victoriano.. really good suggestion so I will do it.
> Linda in Marietta
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx"
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 10:33:11 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] requesting online collections for familysearch
>
> Hi Linda,
> I don't think they will put them back on the PILOT website, they will put them
> in the BETA website instead.
> You can ask them to load the images you want in the BETA site through their
> FEEDBACK link, mentioning they were available on PILOT. Chances are they are
> going to respond that they are in the process of moving images from one set of
> servers to another so some images are currently unavailable, and that they
> expect the transfer to take another few weeks so keep checking back. Regarding
> the collections they upload to beta.familysearch.org I heard they do give
> priority to the collections people are asking for through this feedback, so it
> may be a good idea for everybody to ask for the collections from the Zacatecas,
> Jalisco and Aguascalientes towns and parishes currently missing.
> Good luck!
>
> Victoriano Navarro

Comment

Emilie, I went to the pilot program and at the top is says beta programs. then
it says search for ancestors, click on the Canada, U.S.A and Mexico. then scroll
down to Mexico Catholic church records "brows images" is to the right.  then the
next one says view images in this collection, brows through 12xxxxxxx images..
when you do this the states in Mexico will come up, click the one you want and
the actual records for each city will appear.. hope this helps.. by the way, I
had to hold down control because my software didn't want me to see beta...

hope this helps.
Linda in Marietta

________________________________
From: Emilie Garcia
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 4:56:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] requesting online collections for familysearch

Hi, Linda,---how are these Sagrada records listed in the Beta?  How do you
access them.  I find Beta so confusing to navigate.

Thanks,
Emilie

> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:07:46 -0700
> From: longsjourney@yahoo.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] requesting online collections for familysearch
>
> just wanted to let you know the Sagrada Mitra records I was looking for are now
>
> on the Familysearch beta program.. these are the actual records not
> condensations..
>
> Linda in Marietta.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 12:30:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] requesting online collections for familysearch
>
> thank you Victoriano.. really good suggestion so I will do it.
> Linda in Marietta
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx"
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 10:33:11 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] requesting online collections for familysearch
>
> Hi Linda,
> I don't think they will put them back on the PILOT website, they will put them

> in the BETA website instead.
> You can ask them to load the images you want in the BETA site through their
> FEEDBACK link, mentioning they were available on PILOT. Chances are they are
> going to respond that they are in the process of moving images from one set of

> servers to another so some images are currently unavailable, and that they
> expect the transfer to take another few weeks so keep checking back. Regarding

> the collections they upload to beta.familysearch.org I heard they do give
> priority to the collections people are asking for through this feedback, so it

> may be a good idea for everybody to ask for the collections from the Zacatecas,
>
> Jalisco and Aguascalientes towns and parishes currently missing.
> Good luck!
>
> Victoriano Navarro

Comment

Thank you so much Linda --- I was now able to bring up and complete the fields in Search. I will play with it more.

Emilie

> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:11:59 -0700
> From: longsjourney@yahoo.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] requesting online collections for familysearch
>
> Emilie, I went to the pilot program and at the top is says beta programs. then
> it says search for ancestors, click on the Canada, U.S.A and Mexico. then scroll
> down to Mexico Catholic church records "brows images" is to the right. then the
> next one says view images in this collection, brows through 12xxxxxxx images..
> when you do this the states in Mexico will come up, click the one you want and
> the actual records for each city will appear.. hope this helps.. by the way, I
> had to hold down control because my software didn't want me to see beta...
>
> hope this helps.
> Linda in Marietta
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Emilie Garcia
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 4:56:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] requesting online collections for familysearch
>
>
> Hi, Linda,---how are these Sagrada records listed in the Beta? How do you
> access them. I find Beta so confusing to navigate.
>
> Thanks,
> Emilie
>
> > Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:07:46 -0700
> > From: longsjourney@yahoo.com
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] requesting online collections for familysearch
> >
> > just wanted to let you know the Sagrada Mitra records I was looking for are now
> >
> > on the Familysearch beta program.. these are the actual records not
> > condensations..
> >
> > Linda in Marietta.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 12:30:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] requesting online collections for familysearch
> >
> > thank you Victoriano.. really good suggestion so I will do it.
> > Linda in Marietta
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx"
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 10:33:11 AM
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] requesting online collections for familysearch
> >
> > Hi Linda,
> > I don't think they will put them back on the PILOT website, they will put them
>
> > in the BETA website instead.
> > You can ask them to load the images you want in the BETA site through their
> > FEEDBACK link, mentioning they were available on PILOT. Chances are they are
> > going to respond that they are in the process of moving images from one set of
>
> > servers to another so some images are currently unavailable, and that they
> > expect the transfer to take another few weeks so keep checking back. Regarding
>
> > the collections they upload to beta.familysearch.org I heard they do give
> > priority to the collections people are asking for through this feedback, so it
>
> > may be a good idea for everybody to ask for the collections from the Zacatecas,
> >
> > Jalisco and Aguascalientes towns and parishes currently missing.
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Victoriano Navarro
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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> >
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> >
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> >
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-----Original Message-----
From: Emilie Garcia
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Fri, Oct 15, 2010 12:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] requesting online collections for familysearch

Thank you so much Linda --- I was now able to bring up and complete the fields
in Search. I will play with it more.

Emilie

> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:11:59 -0700
> From: longsjourney@yahoo.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] requesting online collections for familysearch
>
> Emilie, I went to the pilot program and at the top is says beta programs. then

> it says search for ancestors, click on the Canada, U.S.A and Mexico. then
scroll
> down to Mexico Catholic church records "brows images" is to the right. then
the
> next one says view images in this collection, brows through 12xxxxxxx images..

> when you do this the states in Mexico will come up, click the one you want and

> the actual records for each city will appear.. hope this helps.. by the way, I

> had to hold down control because my software didn't want me to see beta...
>
> hope this helps.
> Linda in Marietta
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Emilie Garcia
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 4:56:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] requesting online collections for familysearch
>
>
> Hi, Linda,---how are these Sagrada records listed in the Beta? How do you
> access them. I find Beta so confusing to navigate.
>
> Thanks,
> Emilie
>
> > Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:07:46 -0700
> > From: longsjourney@yahoo.com
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] requesting online collections for
familysearch
> >
> > just wanted to let you know the Sagrada Mitra records I was looking for are
now
> >
> > on the Familysearch beta program.. these are the actual records not
> > condensations..
> >
> > Linda in Marietta.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 12:30:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] requesting online collections for
familysearch
> >
> > thank you Victoriano.. really good suggestion so I will do it.
> > Linda in Marietta
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx"
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 10:33:11 AM
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] requesting online collections for familysearch
> >
> > Hi Linda,
> > I don't think they will put them back on the PILOT website, they will put
them
>
> > in the BETA website instead.
> > You can ask them to load the images you want in the BETA site through their
> > FEEDBACK link, mentioning they were available on PILOT. Chances are they are

> > going to respond that they are in the process of moving images from one set
of
>
> > servers to another so some images are currently unavailable, and that they
> > expect the transfer to take another few weeks so keep checking back.
Regarding
>
> > the collections they upload to beta.familysearch.org I heard they do give
> > priority to the collections people are asking for through this feedback, so
it
>
> > may be a good idea for everybody to ask for the collections from the
Zacatecas,
> >
> > Jalisco and Aguascalientes towns and parishes currently missing.
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Victoriano Navarro
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> >
> >
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> >
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If anyone serves, in the folowing link provides access to the digital collections of Mexico available on the beta site:

https://beta.familysearch.org/s/collection/list#page=1&countryId=1927078

_____________________________________________________________________

Por si a alguien le sirve: en el siguinte link se accede a las colecciones digitales disponibles de Mexico en el sitio beta:

https://beta.familysearch.org/s/collection/list#page=1&countryId=1927078

Miguel Beltran

Trying To Locate Old Cemetaries in Your Village

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Hi,

When I was at our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico. I went over to the current cemetary to find my grandparents and great grandparents.

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Published by meef98367 – Sat, 2010-10-16 17:00 | Permalink

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Awwww.

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: zacatecano020@hotmail.com
> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 12:39:22 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Trying To Locate Old Cemetaries in Your Village
>
> Hi,
>
> When I was at our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico. I went over to the current cemetary to find my grandparents and great grandparents.
>
> But I also walked around looking at the dates to see which are the oldest. The oldest ones in the current cemetary date back to the early 1900's.
>
> Then I thought about my ancestors that I found in the archives dating in the 1700's and wondered where could that old cemetary be located at?
>
> So I asked family and friends in our village and other people about whether there was another cemetary where people from the 1700's were buried.
>
> I was told that their is another place where there was another older cemetary. But they turned it into a Rodeo Arena and it is near a school.
>
>

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En la epoca colonial era costumbre que los difuntos se sepultaran en las iglesias, dentro y en el atrio, cuanto mejor posicion economica, podian aceder a un un lugar cerca del altar principal. Los pobres eran sepultados en el atrio, y los judios, excomulgados y todo aquel considerado fuera de la religion se enterraban fuera de la "tierra sagrada" o se a en "tierra bruta"

Cuando se aplicaron leyes de reforma (expedidas en 1855-1860 principalmente por Benito Juarez, Ignacio Comonfort y Sebastian Lerdo de Tejada) se quitaron a la iglesia varias facultades, entre ellas la del control de los cementerios, y fue a partir de ahi que aparecen los cementerios a cargo de las autoridades civiles.

___________________________________________________________________________________

In the colonial period it was customary for the dead were buried in churches inside and around in the the atrium, the better economic position, they could dock to a place near the main altar. The poor were buried in the atrium, and the jews, excommunicated and anyone considered outside of the religion were buried outside of the "sacred ground" to the "raw land"

When applied the "Leyes de Reforma"(issued in 1855-1860 mainly by Benito Juarez, Ignacio Comonfort, and Sebastian Lerdo de Tejada) were removed to the church several powers, including control of cemeteries, and from there went to the cemeteries listed by the civil authorities.

Miguel Beltran

Published by Paul Gomez – Sat, 2010-10-16 13:30 | Permalink

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Thank you for sharing your great story. I am certain that the story you recounted has been repeated for other of our ancestor's cemeteries unfortunately.
------Original Message------
From: zacatecano020@hotmail.com
Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
ReplyTo: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Trying To Locate Old Cemetaries in Your Village
Sent: Oct 16, 2010 12:39 PM

Hi,

When I was at our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico. I went over to the current cemetary to find my grandparents and great grandparents.

But I also walked around looking at the dates to see which are the oldest. The oldest ones in the current cemetary date back to the early 1900's.

Then I thought about my ancestors that I found in the archives dating in the 1700's and wondered where could that old cemetary be located at?

So I asked family and friends in our village and other people about whether there was another cemetary where people from the 1700's were buried.

I was told that their is another place where there was another older cemetary. But they turned it into a Rodeo Arena and it is near a school.

How to bring up Search on Beta?

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I found the Search page for Mexico baptisms, and I try to complete the fields, but the courser doesn't appear to allow me to do so. What am I doing wrong?

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Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Thu, 2010-10-14 17:51 | Permalink

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Hi Emilie,
I would try with different internet browsers (Explorer, Chrome, Firefox, Safari). Seems to be working for me.
Otherwise search in the main page and once you get your hits, within the sidebar just choose the ones for Mexico, baptisms.
Good luck!

Victoriano Navarro

Published by meef98367 – Fri, 2010-10-15 12:00 | Permalink

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Thank you, Victoriano,

I finally found the word "Beta" in small blue letters, and when I clicked on that, then it opened up and I was able to complete the Search fields. I tried the one for Mexico, Baptisms and I got some hits, but they are in a long continuous string that isn't sorted by locality. I got to page 16 or so, then I got tired of looking for my person because it was bringing up everybody from all the states. I will play with it some more.

Thanks again,

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx
> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:51:14 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Search on Beta
>
> Hi Emilie,
> I would try with different internet browsers (Explorer, Chrome, Firefox, Safari). Seems to be working for me.
> Otherwise search in the main page and once you get your hits, within the sidebar just choose the ones for Mexico, baptisms.
> Good luck!
>
> Victoriano Navarro

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Emily make sure it says "images " in the right hand column..
Linda in Marietta

________________________________
From: Emilie Garcia
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 2:47:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Search on Beta

Thank you, Victoriano,

I finally found the word "Beta" in small blue letters, and when I clicked on
that, then it opened up and I was able to complete the Search fields.  I tried
the one for Mexico, Baptisms and I got some hits, but they are in a long
continuous string that isn't sorted by locality.  I got to page 16 or so, then I
got tired of looking for my person because it was bringing up everybody from all
the states.  I will play with it some more.

Thanks again,

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx
> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:51:14 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Search on Beta
>
> Hi Emilie,
> I would try with different internet browsers (Explorer, Chrome, Firefox,
>Safari). Seems to be working for me.
> Otherwise search in the main page and once you get your hits, within the
>sidebar just choose the ones for Mexico, baptisms.
> Good luck!
>
> Victoriano Navarro

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OK

> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:55:02 -0700
> From: longsjourney@yahoo.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Search on Beta
>
> Emily make sure it says "images " in the right hand column..
> Linda in Marietta
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Emilie Garcia
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 2:47:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Search on Beta
>
>
> Thank you, Victoriano,
>
> I finally found the word "Beta" in small blue letters, and when I clicked on
> that, then it opened up and I was able to complete the Search fields. I tried
> the one for Mexico, Baptisms and I got some hits, but they are in a long
> continuous string that isn't sorted by locality. I got to page 16 or so, then I
> got tired of looking for my person because it was bringing up everybody from all
> the states. I will play with it some more.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
>
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > From: mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx
> > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:51:14 -0700
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Search on Beta
> >
> > Hi Emilie,
> > I would try with different internet browsers (Explorer, Chrome, Firefox,
> >Safari). Seems to be working for me.
> > Otherwise search in the main page and once you get your hits, within the
> >sidebar just choose the ones for Mexico, baptisms.
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Victoriano Navarro
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
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> >
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>

Modern Name

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Does anyone know the modern name for 18th century Villa/Valle de Carrizal, Nuevo Leon?  I've tried several sources and have come up empty.  Your help would be greatly appreciated.  
Thank so much

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Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Sun, 2010-10-10 15:22 | Permalink

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According to these official webpages, Valle del Carrizal would be today's Cienega de Flores:

http://www.e-local.gob.mx/work/templates/enciclo/nuevoleon/municipios/1…
http://www.cienegadeflores.gob.mx/

HISTORIA
Reseña Histórica
Gonzalo Treviño fue dueño de estas tierras alrededor del año 1624, pero fue María Cantú la primera pobladora. Anteriormente se llamaba Valle del Carrizal. El origen de su fundación fue la explotación de sus recursos ganaderos. Se erigió en villa el 23 de febrero de 1863. Su nombre obedece a la existencia de una ciénega en terrenos de don Pedro Flores.

Victoriano Navarro

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Señor Navarro,

Me puede dar informacion sobre Pedro Flores? Quienes fueron sus padres, sus hermanos y sus hijos? Gracias....

----- Original Message -----
From: mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 3:22:06 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Valle del Carrizal / Ciénega de Flores

According to these official webpages, Valle del Carrizal would be today's Cienega de Flores:

http://www.e-local.gob.mx/work/templates/enciclo/nuevoleon/municipios/1…
http://www.cienegadeflores.gob.mx/

HISTORIA
Reseña Histórica
Gonzalo Treviño fue dueño de estas tierras alrededor del año 1624, pero fue María Cantú la primera pobladora. Anteriormente se llamaba Valle del Carrizal. El origen de su fundación fue la explotación de sus recursos ganaderos. Se erigió en villa el 23 de febrero de 1863. Su nombre obedece a la existencia de una ciénega en terrenos de don Pedro Flores.

Victoriano Navarro

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Estimado Sr Rubén,

En mi base de datos sólo tengo un Pedro Flores, pero no sé si sea el mismo de Ciénega de Flores o un familiar del mismo, y no tengo datos sobre sus padres:

Capitán Pedro Flores de Abrego.
Defunción del Capan. Po. Flores de Abrego, español, marido que fue de Margarita de la Garza: 22 de diziembre de 1678, enterrado en el Convto. del Señor San Franco., Libro de la Parroquial de Monterrey
Padre de Marcos Flores (casado en Monterrey con Ana de Ayala hacia 1681).

Saludos cordiales,

Victoriano Navarro

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Si he escuchado de la Cienega de Flores, pero realmente no puedo ayudar en este
tema. Mi mama es de Aguascalientes, hay un Cienega de Flores cercano, quizas
es lo mismo?

Daniel Mendez

> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:47:42 +0000
> From: rubenhernandez57@comcast.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Valle del Carrizal / Ciénega de Flores
>
>
>
> Señor Navarro,
>
>
>
> Me puede dar informacion sobre Pedro Flores? Quienes fueron sus padres, sus hermanos y sus hijos? Gracias....
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 3:22:06 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Valle del Carrizal / Ciénega de Flores
>
> According to these official webpages, Valle del Carrizal would be today's Cienega de Flores:
>
> http://www.e-local.gob.mx/work/templates/enciclo/nuevoleon/municipios/1…
> http://www.cienegadeflores.gob.mx/
>
> HISTORIA
> Reseña Histórica
> Gonzalo Treviño fue dueño de estas tierras alrededor del año 1624, pero fue María Cantú la primera pobladora. Anteriormente se llamaba Valle del Carrizal. El origen de su fundación fue la explotación de sus recursos ganaderos. Se erigió en villa el 23 de febrero de 1863. Su nombre obedece a la existencia de una ciénega en terrenos de don Pedro Flores.
>
> Victoriano Navarro

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Thank you so much for your help.  I had also heard and read of
Cienega de Flores and didn't know they were the same place!  I'm going to have to be patient, because I don't currently see either listed
on the pilot site for church records of Nuevo Leon.   At least now thanks to your help, I'll know what to look for.   Alice

--- On Sun, 10/10/10, mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx wrote:

From: mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Valle del Carrizal / Ciénega de Flores
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, October 10, 2010, 10:22 PM

According to these official webpages, Valle del Carrizal would be today's Cienega de Flores:

http://www.e-local.gob.mx/work/templates/enciclo/nuevoleon/municipios/1…
http://www.cienegadeflores.gob.mx/

HISTORIA
Reseña Histórica Gonzalo Treviño fue dueño de estas tierras alrededor del año 1624, pero fue María Cantú la primera pobladora. Anteriormente se llamaba Valle del Carrizal. El origen de su fundación fue la explotación de sus recursos ganaderos. Se erigió en villa el 23 de febrero de 1863. Su nombre obedece a la existencia de una ciénega en terrenos de don Pedro Flores.
Victoriano Navarro

Comment

Hi Alice,
It seems that the Familysearch team did not microflm the church records for Cienega de Flores. In their Family History Library Catalog they only have the 1930 census and the 1863-1930 civil records, which are not available online yet. Don't look for them anymore in the Pilot.familysearch site since it seems they won't update that database anymore. All the updates will go to the Beta.familysearch.org website, around the beginning of each month or so.
If you are in Monterrey, Mexico, they may have microfilms for the church records at the ITESM library.
Regards,

Victoriano Navarro

Comment

Thank you, Victoriano.  I'm not in Monterrey, so I'll check the beta site each month.  Out of curiosity...what does ITESM stand for?  Thanks again,  Alice

--- On Mon, 10/11/10, mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx wrote:

From: mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ciénega de Flores church records
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 10:39 PM

Hi Alice,
It seems that the Familysearch team did not microflm the church records for Cienega de Flores. In their Family History Library Catalog they only have the 1930 census and the 1863-1930 civil records, which are not available online yet. Don't look for them anymore in the Pilot.familysearch site since it seems they won't update that database anymore. All the updates will go to the Beta.familysearch.org website, around the beginning of each month or so.
If you are in Monterrey, Mexico, they may have microfilms for the church records at the ITESM library.
Regards,

Victoriano Navarro

Comment

Hi Alice,
ITESM is a private university with campi or campuses all over Mexico, but the main one is in Monterrey. It is the Monterrey Institute of Technology and Higher Education. They have a collection of microfilms with records from Nuevo Leon and Coahuila (very little from Moterrey, though), including some not found in the FamylySearch collection.
I am checking in beta.familysearch the church records from Salinas Victoria, NL: Matrimonios 1755-1835
On image #2 the title says: ARCHIVO DE LA PARROQUIA DE SALINAS Y CIENEGA DE FLORES.
So it seems that the church records from Cienega de Flores are mixed with the ones from Salinas; both towns shared their records in the same book, and it is online.
Bye!
Victoriano Navarro

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INSTITUTO TECNOLOGICO DE ESTUDIOS SUPERIORES DE MONTERREY
I T E
S M

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

> Thank you, Victoriano. I'm not in Monterrey, so I'll check the beta site
> each month. Out of curiosity...what does ITESM stand for? Thanks again,
> Alice
>
> --- On Mon, 10/11/10, mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx <
> mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx> wrote:
>
>
> From: mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ciénega de Flores church records
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 10:39 PM
>
>
> Hi Alice,
> It seems that the Familysearch team did not microflm the church records for
> Cienega de Flores. In their Family History Library Catalog they only have
> the 1930 census and the 1863-1930 civil records, which are not available
> online yet. Don't look for them anymore in the Pilot.familysearch site since
> it seems they won't update that database anymore. All the updates will go to
> the Beta.familysearch.org website, around
> the beginning of each month or so.
> If you are in Monterrey, Mexico, they may have microfilms for the church
> records at the ITESM library.
> Regards,
>
> Victoriano Navarro

Gordoa

Published by anna1m –
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Greetings to all: I have not been following the thread on this name as I do not read spanish very well.

Ramírez de Arellano

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Alguien podría ayudarme con cualquier información de la historia y origen de la familia Ramírez de Arellano, estoy estudiando su posible relación con la familia Hidalgo y Costilla o simplemente Co

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Marqueses de San Juan de Rayas

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Estimada Sylvia,

No se adonde usted puede comprar este libro, pero tengo algo interesante de los Sardanetas/el titulo de San Juan de Rayas:

III Marques de San Juan de Rayas- don Jose Maria de Sa

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Published by papa salvador – Sat, 2010-10-09 21:00 | Permalink

Comment

Muchas gracias por tan valiosa informacion, me encuentro en Guanajuato vine
con la tarea especifica de estudiar las familias guanajuatenses, y me
interesa mucho todo lo relacionado a estos titulos y la genealogia de estas
primeras familias.
Cualquier informacion que me puedas dar al respecto o dirigirme a fuentes te
lo agraddeceria.
Me paso los dias y las horas se van volando en la biblioteca local revisando
los archivos espero en unos anos tener algun resultado.
Gracias nuevamente
Sylvia

Comment

Cuarta Parte.

Apuntes Biograficos de los Marqueses.

Don Jose de Sardaneta y Legaspi, padre del 1er.Marques, adquirio la mina de San Juan de Rayas, do donde le vino la denominacion de su titulo, descubierta por el arriero Juan de Rayas por los anos de 1550. Bajo la direccion del Senor Sardaneta, la mina adquirio renombre universal a causa de la introduccion en ella del sistema de tiros, invencion del Marques, y que fue de tanta utilidad que rapidamente se extendio a todas las minas del pais. Tambien introdujo el uso del polvora en las minas para los cohetes o barrenon, en lugar del sistema de lumbradas, de tardos y pesimos resultados; construyo los dos caminos que de la mina van a Guanajuato y puso a esta en tan buenas condiciones que solamente por quintos del Rey produjo en cuarenta y cuatro anos la enorme suma de $17.400,000. Dono a la imagen de Nuestra Senora de Guanajuato una rica peana de plata, de peso de 180 marcos y cuyo era de $3,000.00. Hizo ademas valiosos donativos a S.M. el Rey de Espana.

El 1er.Marques, don Vicente Manuel de Sardaneta, hizo muchos beneficios a La Ciudad de Guanajuato, y entre los mas notables mencionaremos la donacion que hizo dela mitad del costo de la cortina de mamposteria de la Presa de la Olla y la mitad del costo del templo de la Compania, uno de los mejores de Guanajuato. Ademas, costeo la construccion de la soberbia capilla de Rayas, en la que gasto $54,000.00. En una inundacion que afligio a Guanajuato y que causo graves perjuicios a sus habitantes, socorrio de su peculio a muchos pobres y franqueo un prestamo considerable al Ayuntamiento. Como minero no fue menos util a sus conciudadanos e introdujo el sistema de arrastres y otros inventos. Desempeno varios empleos como los de Regidor perpetuo de Guanajuato, Alcalde Provincial, Alguacil Mayor del Santo Oficio, Procurador General y Tesorero de las Municipalidades de Guanajuato, Irapuato y Leon, Diputado de Mineria, etc. Ademas del titulo de Marques fue agraciado por el Rey con la Cruz de Carlos III. Fallecio a la dedad de 68 anos. S.M. el Rey de Espana, a fin de corresponder a los presentes que recibio de don Jose de Sardaneta, padre del 1er. Marques, obsequio a la esposa de este, dona Angela Llorente, una riquisima mantilla que existe actualmente en poder de la Senora dona Concepcion Carrasco y Tellez de Philippi, tercera nieta de dicha Senora.

saludos de Los Angeles

Christopher Barrios de Leon

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Cuarta Parte.

Apuntes Biograficos de los Marqueses.

El 2º Marques, Don Jose Maria de Sardaneta y Llorente, recibio una educaion muy esmerada, fue muy erudito, y se dedico al estudio de las Ciencias Naturales. A los veinticinco anos de edad fue nombrado Regidor perpetuo de su Ciudad natal, fue Alferez Real, Administrador general del Ramo de Mineria, se declaro partidario de la Independencia en tiempo del Virrey Iturrigaray y opinaba por la convocacion de un Congreso Nacional en Nueva Espana; depuesto el Virrey y enviado a Espana, nombro su apoderado aqui al Senor Sardaneta, encargo que rehusaron admitir muchas otras personas y que desmpeno con integridad y energia, lo que le valio algunas persecuciones. Electo Diputado a las Cortes Espanolas de 1812, no llego a ir Espana porque intencionalmente el Gobierno Colonial le nego las dietas. Proclamada la Independencia fue franco partidario de ella, voto en favor de Morelos en las elecciones de Generalisimo, tomo parte en la conspiracion de Abril de 1811, estuvo preso en 1816 y fue sentenciado al destierro, pero con pretexto de enfermedad no llego a embarcarse y permanecio en Veracruz hasta la amnistia de 1820, entonces sus coterraneos la nombraron diputado provincial y miembro de la Junta de Censura de Imprenta. Al realizarse la Indepndencia, el Marques de San Juan de Rayas fue uno de los que tuvieron la gloria de firmar el acta respectiva; se le eligio Diputado al 1er. Congreso por lo que no obtuvo la condecoracion de la Orden de Guadalupe que fue conferida a sur hijo; en la epoca de la Federacion fue diputado a la legislatura local y Consejero en 1830. Para terminar diremos que la agricultura en Guanajuato le es deudora de muchos adelantos, pues introdujo el cultivo de muchas plantas nuevas y exoticas. Nacio en aquella Ciudad el 11 de Dieciembre de 1761, fallecio en la misma el 9 de Enero de 1835, y esta enterrado en la Iglesia de San Diego, en la Capilla de la Purisima.

Saludos de Los Angeles

Christopher Barrios de Leon

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Christopher:
Thank you very much for the information, it will be useful for me to understand this family.
I copied ad will study it andd generate the iformation that I need.
Thank you again.

Sylvia Herenia Corona Cortes

US Government Genealogy Resources

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A friend of mine sent me this link to an article that appeared in the LA Times. It's about the resources that the US goverment provides for genealogy research.

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Published by InSearchOf – Fri, 2010-03-05 06:45 | Permalink

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Thank you; this will be very helpful.  Will definitely check this out!

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From: "kanakalele@aol.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wed, March 3, 2010 11:09:01 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] US Government Genealogy Resources

A friend of mine sent me this link to an article that appeared in the LA Times.  It's about the resources that the US goverment provides for genealogy research.  I have not used this service yet but I thought it might be helpful to others.  Although our concentration is for a specific area of Mexico, I think this service could provide us with invaluable information as many of our ancestors emigrated to the US.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-genealogy17-2010jan17,0,3690933…

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Greetings Group,
Just yesterday I was thrilled to find some ancestors on the NR site under GEDCOM, Zacatecas, Zac. marriages dating 02/21/1607.  Did I miss a film number?  For my record, do I indicate NR website, etc. for documentation?  Thanks so much for help.    Alice

Published by oldcar53 – Thu, 2010-03-04 00:30 | Permalink

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Thanks KANAKALELE (sorry, don't know your name) for this information......I didn't know this existed. There's an uncle who disappeared after coming to the US in the late forties, early fifties and nobody's heard of him since.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

________________________________
From: "kanakalele@aol.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wed, March 3, 2010 8:09:01 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] US Government Genealogy Resources

A friend of mine sent me this link to an article that appeared in the LA Times. It's about the resources that the US goverment provides for genealogy research. I have not used this service yet but I thought it might be helpful to others. Although our concentration is for a specific area of Mexico, I think this service could provide us with invaluable information as many of our ancestors emigrated to the US.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-genealogy17-2010jan17,0,3690933…

Member Removal

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Just wanted to let you know that I have removed STELLA
from having access to the email group because of spam.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opod

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Published by oldcar53 – Tue, 2010-10-12 09:16 | Permalink

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Thanks for the update Joseph,

Alicia

________________________________
From: Joseph Puentes
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 7:26:55 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Member Removal

Just wanted to let you know that I have removed STELLA from
having access to the email group because of spam.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy)

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Yes, thanks, Joseph. Such things are more than annoying; they have no place in a genealogical group.

Emilie

> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 08:37:02 -0700
> From: alliecar@pacbell.net
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Member Removal
>
> Thanks for the update Joseph,
>
> Alicia
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Joseph Puentes
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 7:26:55 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Member Removal
>
>
> Just wanted to let you know that I have removed STELLA from
> having access to the email group because of spam.
>
> joseph
>
> ======================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
> http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
> http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
> http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
> http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy)
>
>

MARTIN DEL CAMPO Y MATA

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Hola a todos,
Agradeceria cualquier información adicional que pudiera ayudarme a seguir construyendo mi arbol genealogico MATERNO.

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