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Here is a recipe I found online:

http://www.canalcocina.es/receta/pollo-la-naranja-con-almendras

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 15:44:04 -0800
> From: alice_wissing@yahoo.com
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Chicken With Oranges
>
> I am interested in that recipe. My ancestors are from San Juan de los Lagos, and I don't have any recipes from that area. Please share. It does sound Spanish, with the almonds and all.

Alice I emailed you the recipe please let me know if you get it.

I've never heard of this dish. Sounds more cosmopolitan than ranchero. Probably is a Spanish/Moorish dish. Joe Rubio

My grandmother use to make a dish called pollo con naranjas, it was great with chicken, oranges, onion, almonds and the spices were cinamon, cloves, salt pepper and saffron. my mother told that this dish was something that her grandmother also made.

Pat,

Thank you pat and thanks to all the members who have helped with my family ancestry appreciate it alot.Merry Christmas=]

and a very MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU!  and a Safe HAPPY NEW YEAR!
It does seem like we are all "primos"  and closely related....
Thank you Pat.  Enjoy!

Ann M. Gutierrez

________________________________
From: Pat Corbera
To: Nuestros Ranchos
Sent: Sat, December 22, 2012 12:43:39 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Merry Chirstmas & Happy New Year

To all my new found cousins and friends that share the love of learning about
their ancestors,

Tino and I wish you "all,"  a Very Merry Christmas and A Happy and Healthy New
Year...

I will be back online after the holidays...

May the Good Lord Bless you and your families!

Hugs and Love,

Pat and Tino Corbera

where can i access the records they have digitzied already?

Sanchez-Castellanos

Gracias y estamos a la espera de que esos archivos sea n publico y si son on line mejor.

Zapvive

Were you able to match up the ages of the bride and groom at their marriage? Does it make sense for the year the child was born. In other words, they weren't 80 when the child was born. Sometimes when you have such discrepancies you have to look at other things. You can trust marriage records more than birth because you know the "novios" were there and they gave much more reliable information. Your information was so far off, I wouldn't add it till I had more info to confirm. I think Angelina's advise is right on. I was just about to add an ancestor to my tree today because I thought I already had the parents on my tree. It was a Josefa Mier and Alejo Berumen. I had a Maria Josefa Berumen and Manuel Berumen. I figured he could have been Manuel Alejo Berumen, then I realized they were about 100 years apart. You find this happens often.

Barbara
On Dec 16, 2012, at 4:21 PM, zapvive1@msn.com wrote:

> What do we do when we find that, for example, the parents named in one document are entirely different from those in another (I don't mean the difference between Jose and Josef, but entirely different people). I have a couple, Jose Vicente Gomes and Maria Joaquina Franco, who when they married gave there parents' names as: Groom: Francisco Gregorio Gomez and Maria Antonio Martin del Campo Bride: Manuel Julian Jimenez and Gertrudes Garcia de Alba
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-45281-16?
>
> Recently I found a baptism for their child which mentions the grandparents as:
>
> Paternal: Vicente Gomez and Anna Maria Garcia de Alba
> Maternal: Blas Franco and Angela Baldivia
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18457-88727-95?cc=1874591&wc…
>
> Any suggestions?

Zapvive1,

Keep in mind that a lot of the times the mother was not present during the
baptism since she was still recovering from childbirth and it was considered
a necessity to have the child baptized within days of birth; therefore, it
is common for mistakes to happen with the names of the maternal
grandparents. In this particular case, it looks like the scribe might have
mixed up the maternal grandmother (Gertrudis Garcia de Alba) with the
paternal grandmother (Maria Antonia ...) and came up with a new name (Anna
Maria Garcia de Alba). In any case, I would look for other children from
this marriage and try to resolve the difference in names that way. The other
possibility is that you are dealing with another couple...

Good Luck,
-Angelina-

You can access the film numbers by clicking the "Catalog" option at the top
of FamilySearch.com home page. It looks to me like it was part of film #
1156615. I don't quite understand why, if one clicks the film number,
presumably to order it, it then says it does not exist.

Raquel

>
>
>

I also descend from Juan de Tiscareño and Isabel Romo de Vibar y Rangel. Juan was the son of Luis Tiscareño de Molina y Márquez and Lorenza Ruíz de Esparza Navarro Gabay (Gabadi). This is proven in the dispensas of two of his great-grandchildren that married great grandchildren of his sisters Elvira Márquez and Francisca Gabadi.

Joseph Tiscareño Aguilera con María Dolores de Cobos y Flores de la Torre

http://goo.gl/WPhr3

Dispensa 168054 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-16200-82?cc=1874591&wc…

Tomasa Carreon Muñoz con Joseph Luebana Delgado

http://goo.gl/lzwSR

Dispensa 168608 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18377-20770-45?cc=1874591&wc…

Marriage of Elvira Márquez that names her parents as Luis de Tiscareño and Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-52414-17?cc=1410092&…

Marriage of Francisca Gabadi that names her parents as Luis de Tiscareño and Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-53111-15?cc=1410092&…

Isabel Romo de Vibar y Rangel died in 15 June 1692 and Juan Tiscareño remarried to Juana de Orozco. In the Información Matrimonial Volume 1693: image 198
11 Mar 1693 he states to be 63 years old. This means he was born about 1630 if his statement is correct.

Saludos
Armando

Hi Josie,, thank you so much for that info,, explains a lot!

Gracias

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 3, 2012, at 3:57 PM, "Josie T. Trevino" wrote:

> Hello Barbara,
>
> In response to your question below to Joseph, I learned that those of us who use "gmail" will not see their posts when submitted although everyone else will. Does not make sense to me but that is apparently how "gmail works"..... :-)
>
> Good luck!
>
> Josie
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 17:30:06 -0800
> From: Barbara Andrews
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help
> Message-ID: <2C1B611E-00FA-4D8B-B515-6299C4475736@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hello Joseph,
>
> I wanted to find out if I've been doing something wrong. I posted a suggestion to the Subject "Help" posted by Laura Gonzalez on Nuestros Ranchos website. I noticed that you emailed all the responses except mine. I was wondering if I did something wrong when I responded? Not the first time this has happen, so I thought I may have sent it incorrectly.
>
> Thanks,
> Barbara Andrews
>

Hi Pat,

In your message to Raquel you mentioned that there is a link between Gonzalo
Yáñez del Monte and Ma. Florencia Yáñez. Was she the daughter of Gonzalo
Yáñez and Gerónima de Benavides? Are there any records I could check online
for Ma. Florencia Yáñez?

Thanks,
BILL FIGUEROA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Corbera"
To: "Nuestros Ranchos"
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 7:52 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz

> Hi Raquel,
>
> In checking the pedigree charts that you shared on NR, I believe that I
> have established a link with your ancestors Gonzalo Yanez del Monte y
> Geronima de Benavides.
>
> Gonzalo Yanez del Monte y Geronima de Benavides are my husband Florentino
> (Tino) L Corbera's 9th Great Grandparents.
>
> Tino's Maternal Line:
> Mother Ma Refugia Perez-->Ma Andrea Aguirre Andrade-->Ma Senovia
> Aguirre-->Jose Timoteo Aguirre-->Joseph Leonicio Contreras Aguirre-->Ma
> Phelipa Gonzalez Contreras-->Melchora Losano Gonzalez-->Bernardo
> Gonzalez-->Luis Gonzalez Dominguez-->Ma Florencia Yanez-->Gonzalo Yanez
> del Monte y Geronima de Benavides (9th GGParents)
>
> Tino's Maternal Grandfather
> Mother Ma Refugia Perez-->Jose Fernando Aguirre Perez-->Ma Aniseta Losano
> Aguirre-->Jose Miguel Aguirre-->Joseph Joaquin Aguirre-->Ma Phelipa
> Gonzalez Contreras-->Melchora Losano Gonzalez-->Bernardo Gonzalez-->Luis
> Gonzalez Dominguez-->Maria Florencia Yanez-->Gonzalo Yanez del Monte y
> Geronima de Benavides (9th GGParents)
>
> There's another line from Tino's Maternal Grandfather:
> Mother Ma Refugia Perez -->Jose Fernando Aguirre Perez-->Jose Victoriano
> Rodriguez Perez-->Maria Ynes Rodriguez-->Ma Rosalia Sandoval-->Juan Manuel
> Sandoval--> Juana Josepha Gonzalez-->Joseph Gonzalez Losano-->Bernardo
> Gonzalez-->Luis Gonzalez Dominguez-->Ma Florencia Yanez-->Gonzalo Yanes
> del Monte y Geronima de Benavides (10thGGParents)
>
> If I'm reading your chart correctly your ancestor is Lorenzo Yanez del
> Monte son of Gonzalo Yanez del Monte y Geronima de Benavides. I have
> Lorenzo Yanez del Monte(Tino's 8th GreatGrandUncle) married to Maria
> Rodriguez de la Mora (she daughter of Juan Rodriguez de la Mora y Ysabel
> Delgadillo. Maria is an aunt by marriage, but most likely we may have
> another connection via the Mora and Delgadillo lines, I have not link
> those two lines as of yet).
>
> Once we establish this is a correct linking I can then send you an
> ahnentafel chart.
>
> Pat Silva Corbera
> Tracy CA

The earlier marriage records, in some localities, give only the 'essential' facts. That is, just the names of the couple getting married. All the other details are often in the matrimonial investigations.

In Aguascalientes, for example, the marriage records started giving more details in the 1740s. Prior to then, the matrimonial investigations, when they exist, filled in the details; however, many are missing.

The information that was recorded in the sacramental documents changed over time. As I'm sure you've also noticed, and not every community did things the same way. When changes were ordered by the Bishop, it took a while for everyone to start doing things the same way.

Another reason is that the clerk who recorded the marriage may not have had all the information. He recorded what he knew. Ocassionally you may see a blank where a surname should be. Rarely, the given name is missing.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Denise

Family Search images require Adobe Flash Player, which is not supported by the IOS operating system.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Her name appears as Rosa Maria Moran Hernandez de Rueda. Hernandez de Rueda
and Fernandez de Rueda are the same surname.

Did you read the second response to your thread at
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21025 ?

Armando

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:

>
> Hello Memebers, I have a hard time reading a marriage record -San Juan de
> Los Lagos -1722-1770 Image # 297-298. The Marriage record belongs to
> Lorenzo Alvarez Tostado married to Francisca Rita Munoz de Nava (daughter
> of Jose Munoz de Nava and Micaela Gomez de Mendoza) Jan. 15.1748. The
> Father of Lorenzo Alvarez Tostado states Diego Alvarez Tostado, but the
> mother I think says Rita Maria Moran Fernandez de Rueda. Any guesses ?
> Thank you for time
> Ronnie Reynoso

Hi Ronnie,

I read it as Rosa Maria Moran hernandes de Rueda

I reviewed this record last month and recorded the following notes for this couple:

José Lorenzo Álvarez Tostado: español, originario y vecino de la feligresía de San Pedro Teocaltiche

Rita Muñoz de Hermosillo: española, originaria y vecina de esta feligresía [Jalostotitlan] en el Papalote

velados 15 enero 1748, fueron padrinos don Juan Francisco Alvarez Tostado y doña Maria Rita Galarza

Regards,
Austin Perez

Daniel,

It looks like We are Both Stuck!

I think you can only search by batch numbers, not film numbers. I took a look at a small number of the searchable collections, some had this option, others did not.

This link http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/pavrl will take you the Parish and Vital Records lists for Aguasacalientes, Jalisco, and Zacatecas here at Nuestros Ranchos. From here you can get the batch numbers. For other states you will need to look at the microfiche which may be at your local FHC. However, these lists are old, last updated about 1998. The volunteers may not be familiar with them, so finding them may be difficult. Also. not all films from all communities were extracted, so there may not be batch numbers for the communities you need.

Another option is to do a google search for "IGI batch numbers mexico". This site http://mexicoigibatchnumbers.wetpaint.com/ should come up. It has many of the numbers, but it is not complete.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Greetings Armando,
Thank you, thank you, thank you. 
You've answered my question with info to build on.  This scenario demonstrates how important individual genealogy research complements the DNA data.   This will be my first DNA test (actually my brother will be the subject), would you recommend the Family Finder as a good start?  I really would like data from both my paternal and maternal lines.   Thanks again,  Alice

--- On Fri, 9/28/12, Armando wrote:

From: Armando
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, September 28, 2012, 10:21 PM

Hello Alice,

You are left to speculate. Apart from that if your Spanish ancestors had
even 2% of Asian ancestry you won't know if that 2% is from them or from
Amerindian ancestry. The same goes for any of the other ethnic breakdowns
because Spaniards are mixed with lots of ethnic groups. You can see a color
coded image of their breakdown in the following images taken from
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9zbUNdodooc/TutQR_n5AZI/AAAAAAAAEXw/zVGNSQwft…

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OHDLLGqRb_8/Tgi19oysxPI/AAAAAAAAAj8/4_6i4VY1y…

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qAdi1qnYmi4/TnorECBBe3I/AAAAAAAAAls/JDPdP56KM…

I am still going to try and get an uncle to test so I know my breakdown
from my father's side. However, I won't know what percentage of each ethnic
group is from my paternal grandfather and what percent is from my paternal
grandmother. I will only be able to speculate based on documentation I have
been able to find.

Regards,
Armando

On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

>
>
> --- On Fri, 9/28/12, Alice Blake wrote:
>
>
>
> From: Alice Blake
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Friday, September 28, 2012, 1:17 AM
>
>
> Hello Group Members,
>
> I'm so happy to see that the DNA testing is on sale and brings it into the
> realm of my reality.  I'd still like to hear from someone that has used
> Family Finder to clarify something for me.
> The Family Finder states, "Due to the nature of autosomal DNA, the test
> does not specify from which branch of your family tree your matches or the
> percentages of your geographic heritage derive."  I understand that to
> mean you are given the total percentages of ethnic groups that is your
> individual ethinic makeup, but not the breakdown as to what
> percentage of the group is from your maternal or parternal side?   If you
> are found to be 33% native american, are you told that it is totally from
> one side, or 20% maternal and 13% paternal or are you left to speculate?
>
> Thank you so much for all the feedback.  It has been extremely useful.
> Alice
>
>
>
> Thanks so much,   Alice
>
>

I monitor 7 family accounts with ftdna.com: mine, my father's, mother's,
maternal uncle's, my mother's maternal uncles, my father's maternal aunt's,
and my husband's, all with family finder testing. Some of my urgency to
test was based on the ages of the dna donors. But I was also just plain
curious, as well s being hopeful that they will eventually be helpful for
genealogical purposes. It is helpful to have others tested on both sides
of the family, to assist in figuring out from which side the matches
probably derive. Although there is tremendous overlap of my matches with
my parents' each of us have some unique to us. I have made a few
connections with some of my matches. I hope to make an organized effort to
utilize the information after I retire in a few years.

As one would expect, my mother's and maternal uncle's results are very
similar, but then again, with some variation in their match results, which
will give me a wider selection to work with once I begin in earnest. I was
quite surprised to find my population finder results were very different
than I had expected. I naively thought they would be about the average of
my parents'. Only my Native American percentage came out as predicted
(33%), while my other results varied significantly. The 3 % East Asian
would have really thrown me if I hadn't already seen my grandaunt's 4%. My
population finder results actually look much more similar to hers than to
my parent's. Probably quite coincidentally, my looks strongly favor that
family line.

I don't know if this is helpful, but feel free to ask me any other
questions. I only order tests when there is some kind of sale going on.
Raquel Ruiz

Hi Daniel :)

I just read your Feb 13th 2010 post and am so happy to hear that info about Durango! I just recently found out that my grandmother Antonia Delgado born in 1910 in Durango, Mexico. I would love to find out more about her background since she had a sad life that ended shortly at 23 yrs old!

I recently went on a trip to California and went to the Norwalk Hall of records/Civil Registar and looked up her death certificate. The odd thing is that it says she was buried at Calvary Cemetary, in Los Angeles, yet when I went there, they had no record of her being buried there!

I was also able to find out that her mother's name was Victoriana Guimenez. Her father's name was unknown. Undoubtedly he was a Delgado : )

I am not sure how long it has been on their list, but on looking at the list of regions they are currently working on, aside from the 1930 Census in Zacatecas, they are also working on the states of Michoacan, Mexico and I think it also said D.F.
I also noticed that they are working on getting records up for Lugo, Galicia, Espana. I am especially looking foward to that, as I have managed to trace one family surname back to Lugo. For anyone else researching the de la Torre surname, from what I've noticed that surname is concentrated in Galicia, at least it appears that way in the 18th century baptismal and marriage records.

Si, es muy interesante que ya hayan subido los archivos de Durango, ya empecé la búsqueda de algunos registros en dichos documentos y encontré tres actas de defunción de tres de mis ancestros y me falta encontrar una mas. Encontré las de Juana de Heredia, Juana Martínez y Diego de la Mancha, solo me falta encontrar la de Francisco Gil.

También encontré la confirmación de dos hijos del Tesorero Juan Saénz de Vidaurre y Luisa de Saavedra, de quienes también desciendo y los cuales tienen descendientes en Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco.

Así también encontré un registro de la defunción de el Sr. Canónigo don Gonzalo García de Hermosillo el 02 de abril de 1652 y me surgió una duda, ya que creo puede ser el registro de la defunción del primer Obispo de Durango, pero no estoy seguro ya que leyendo algunas biografías del primer Obispo de Durango he leído que murió en 1631 en Sinaloa. Si alguien puede aclarar esta duda sería de gran ayuda histórica para todos los duranguenses.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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Hi Laura,
I don't know if you got the suggestion I posted on Nuestros Ranchos to your request I think perhaps it didn't get sent out as an email. You may try San Juan Bautista Church records for the time frame your looking for. My research is also in that area and my ancestors used both churches.
Good Luck
On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:55 PM, mayangrl@sonic.net wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> I spent most of my summer working on genealogy (I'm a teacher, so I was on vacation). I've just come back after a hiatus and I thought the time off might clear my head and give me some more ideas about how to find missing relatives. No such luck.
>
> Maybe you can help with some ideas?
>
> I'm looking for my ggrandmother, Vita Castañeda Galván. I have found other documents mentioning her, but not a baptismal certificate (which I have now become fixated on).
>
>
> Name: (Ma) Vita Castañeda Galvan
> Born: abt 1881-1883 (according to her marriage cert., she was 18 in 9/1899, birthday in June. Took place in Capilla de la Ermita)
> Place: Jerez, Zac (Los Cuervos or El Tesorero). Everyone else was baptized at La Inmaculada)
> Father: Gregorio Castañeda Segobia
> Mother: (Ma.) Ysabel Galván Márquez
> Paternal grandparents: Juan Casteñeda Gonzales, Jesus Segobia Martí
> Maternal grandparents: Toribio Galván Llamas, Margarita Márquez Villegas
>
> I've looked under Castañon, Castellanos, etc.,Galvan, with no luck. I've also gone through the images of books from La Inmaculada, with no luck.
>
> Her marriage certificate says she was legitimate. Any other ideas?
>
> ALSO, she told everyone she was born in 1870, but that isn't true according to everything else I've found. She was widowed at some point in the 20s (in Texas) and ended up marrying a first cousin (no children). Why would a woman lie about her age, making herself about 10 years older?
>
> Gracias, Laura González
>

Hello Laura,
You may never definitely know why and you won't know the true birth year until you find the baptismal info.  I came across a similar situation with my own mother.  She had always given 05/14/1915 as her birthdate in Aguascalientes, and on all subsequent official and religious paperwork, including border crossings.  BUT she never had a copy of her baptismal record, much less a birth certificate.  She passed away in 2002 and I didn't start our family genealogy until about five years ago.  The first inconsistency I found was in the 1930 Mexican Census (where although she was living away from home working as a rural teacher), she was listed by her family as being 18 and having been born in Zacatecas.  After much research, I finally located her baptismal record stating she was actually born on 05/18/1911, indeed, in Zacatecas.  My first reaction was I wouldn't mind dropping four years off, too.  But why would she bother to change
her birth date from the 18th to the 14th?  After much family discussion and speculation, we came to the conclusion that we will never really know why, and her headstone will always reflect 05/14/1915 as her birhtdate.    
Alice
  

--- On Sat, 12/1/12, mayangrl@sonic.net wrote:

From: mayangrl@sonic.net
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help?
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, December 1, 2012, 11:55 PM

Hi everyone,
I spent most of my summer working on genealogy (I'm a teacher, so I was on vacation).  I've just come back after a hiatus and I thought the time off might clear my head and give me some more ideas about how to find missing relatives.  No such luck.

Maybe you can help with some ideas?

I'm looking for my ggrandmother, Vita Castañeda Galván. I have found other documents mentioning her, but not a baptismal certificate (which I have now become fixated on).

Name:  (Ma) Vita Castañeda Galvan
Born:  abt 1881-1883 (according to her marriage cert., she was 18 in 9/1899, birthday in June.  Took place in Capilla de la Ermita)
Place:  Jerez, Zac (Los Cuervos or El Tesorero). Everyone else was baptized at La Inmaculada)
Father:  Gregorio Castañeda Segobia
Mother:  (Ma.) Ysabel Galván Márquez
Paternal grandparents: Juan Casteñeda Gonzales, Jesus Segobia Martí
Maternal grandparents: Toribio Galván Llamas, Margarita Márquez Villegas

I've looked under Castañon, Castellanos, etc.,Galvan, with no luck. I've also gone through the images of books from La Inmaculada, with no luck.

Her marriage certificate says she was legitimate.  Any other ideas?

ALSO, she told everyone she was born in 1870, but that isn't true according to everything else I've  found.  She was widowed at some point in the 20s (in Texas) and ended up marrying a first cousin (no children).  Why would a woman lie about her age, making herself about 10 years older?

Gracias, Laura González

Hello Laura,

I also ran a quick check and only found two brother for her. My ancestors are also from Jerez and Tepetongo. I'v found them and their children are baptized at both Jerez, Imaculada and at San Juan Bautista. Have you searched through the records of San Juan Bautista for the period you are looking? Could be there.

Good Luck,
Barbara

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