I downloaded Firefox as well.because I too was having the same issue and it worked
Elizabeth
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ II Skyrocket™, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone.null
I recently saw software that downloads the entire Lds film to a computer. Does anyone have the information or any experience using the software ?
David Serna
It seems the Fastfilm website has been taken down due to conflict with Family Search. unless someone has information showing other wise.
Last year I went to a conference in Saltillo and one of the speakers said his students in Utah were using a program to download entire LDS films and that so far they had no complaints from familysearch. I didn't find out which program they were using.
Victoriano Navarro
I watched the tutorial for this software, and I must say that I am very impressed with what 'Jon' has accomplished.
The only problem for me is that I'm not at all sure I want to download entire microfilms—hundreds of them—onto my computer; I mean, why would I want to reproduce even a part of the online FamilySearch archive? That said, it is a pretty neat trick 'Jon' has pulled off here.
Lawrence Bouett
Orinda, CA
David Serna
The availability to access a film without being online.. waiting for a screen to open. ...
Where did you see this?
Armando
I would be careful with this; there may be copyright issues with doing this.
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
There can't be copyright issues for automating something you can do manually, legally, and is publicly available. I doubt it works though.
Armando
David Serna
I was surfing through some ones data and there was an ad for some software I think it was called "Fast".
David Serna
The website is Fastfilm on Facebook.
he had been offering free downloads for the program and was issuing updates. the facebook site says it has now been closed .. i didnt read the details something about conflict with Lds. the software allows you to download the entire film for use offline.. I was conciderng buying a 2 Terabyte external hard drive to download a number of films for research..
In my opinion he could continue offering the software for downloading the files and viewable through adobe flashplayer as long as he didnt specify that it was for Family history film downloading...
I would like to see the LDS website offering this download. I have concidered contacting the Fastfilm people to find out about possible future software release...
Hello,
There was a post by Steven Francisco Hernández López at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18718 where he wrote:
[1] Basilio Ruiz de Velasco Nota: Don Basilio Ruiz de Velasco, español; natural de Ayo el Chico; h.l. de don Pedro Velasco Navarrete y de doña Mariana de Aceves; casó 2 veces, 1-María de Salcedo, 2-Magdalena de Peñalosa; falleció el 8 de junio de 1711, en La Estanzuela, Ayo el Chico. Nació: ca. 1653 en Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, México Falleció: 08 Junio 1711 en La Estanzuela, Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, México
..... +María de Salcedo Nota: Doña María de Salcedo, española; natural de la villa de León, y vecina de la jur. de Ayo el Chico; hija legítima de don Luis Antonio de Salcedo y de doña Anna Gómez de Espejo; falleció el 3 de julio 1687, en el puesto de La Estanzuela, en Ayo el Chico. Nació: 28 Marzo 1657 en León, Guanajuato, México Se casaron: ca. 1674 en San Agustín, Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, México Falleció: 03 Julio 1687 en La Estanzuela, Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, México Padre: Luis Antonio de Salcedo Madre: Anna Gómez de Espejo
Armando
Thank you Armando for the information.
Arlene
Estimados Miembros,
Que quiere decir la frase "indios casiques"?
cacique, ca. (De or. caribe). 1. m. y f. Señor de vasallos en alguna provincia o pueblo de indios. 2. m. y f. Persona que en una colectividad o grupo ejerce un poder abusivo. 3. m. y f. coloq. Persona que en un pueblo o comarca ejerce excesiva influencia en asuntos políticos. 4. f. coloq. p. us. Mujer del cacique.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cacique
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cacique
Una pregunta sobre oficios en Jalisco:
Jose de Jesus Barba Ornelas
Estimado Sergio Sales, el acta dice que son: Residentes en la Puente, que puede ser ser: un puesto, un rancho o una Hacienda, esperando te sirva la informacion te envio un afectuoso asaludo.
A T E N T A M E N T E
JOSE DE JESUS BARBA ORNELAS
Dice "residentes" pero está muy mal escrito. La misma palabra aparece un tanto más legible en los demás matrimonios de esa imagen.
Saludos,
Victoriano Navarro
Hola Mis Amigos -
My name is Luis Lozano from Robstown, Texas - I have been a member for
less than a month. My lineage has led me to a brick wall and I am wondering
if anyone else is doing rese
Luis
The matrimonial investigation for this couple is in the online Aguascalientes church records, volume for 1706-07, image 41.
Here's the link
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11044-17218-97?cc=1502404&…
I have indexed and posted (here at NR, Files area, References) the Aguascalientes matrimonial investigations up to 1730. Family Search re-posted the films at some point so the image numbers in my index are off (but they are close). In my index this record is image 37, but it is now image 41.
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
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Hello,
Here are some titles I enjoyed and found useful:
The Encomenderos of New Spain (Robert Himmerich y Valencia 1991, paperback 1996) - ethnohistorial information as well as alphabetized, short biographical info on the encomenderos.
Montezuma's Children, Aztec Royalty Under Spanish Rule 1520 - 1700 (Donald E. Chipman, 2005) - includes genealogies
Spanish Texas 1519 - 1821 revised ed. (Donald E Chipman and Harriet Denise Joseph, 2010)
Conquest, Montezuma, Cortez, and the Fall of Old Mexico (Hugh Thomas, 1993 ((2005))
Andariegos Y Pobladores. Nuevo Espana y Nueva Galicia (Siglo XVI). (Jose Miguel Romero de Solis, 2001) - I have this as an e-book. Again, an alphabetized list with short biographies of individuals, and a prologue by Guillermo Tovar de Teresa.
Soldiers, Indians and Silver, The Northward Advance of New Spain, 1550 - 1600. (Philip Wayne Powell, 1952) - a lot of interesting ethnohistorical info, and found some names from my family tree on this one...
A lot of interesting info is tucked away in the notes section of the books, so do check those! There are plenty of other titles to read, but these are the ones I keep returning to.
On my wish list...(when I have more free time)....Fire and Song: the story of Luis de Carvajal and the Mexican Inquisition. (Anna Lanyon 2011) - this is about the conversos - Spanish of Jewish descent - in Mexico in the late 1500's. Many of the founding families of Monterrey, where my grandmother was born, were converso families. Luis died in prison, and many family members were executed in an auto de fe in Mexico City in 1596.
Regards,
Denise
I don't consider myself a seasoned veteran on genealogy, but I can tell you of some books that really helped me with genealogy and gave me a better understanding of Mexican History.
The first book I read about genealogy was "Finding your Hispanic Roots" by George Ryskamp. It explains all the basics about genealogy and family history as it relates to us researching in Latin America. The edition that I read was years ago, and it may be a little bit outdated concerning online research, but it is still a great tool for your research. I don't know if there have been updated editions.
For Mexican History, there are lots of good books. One that I have found interesting is "Historia Verdadera de la Conquista de la Nueva Espana" by Bernal Diaz del Castillo. It explains how the conquest of Mexico took place from the perspective of a Spanish soldier that was present there, and it shows how Mexico and el mestizaje started. It is written in old Spanish and it may be a little tedious to read, but if you have patience, you really get into the story and feel as if you were seeing it with your own eyes. Also try googling other authors like Enrique Krauze, Jean Meyer, and for the history of Jalisco, Luis Perez Verdia.
Saludos.
to Roy
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Victoriana Martinez was a widow of 16 years. Her late husband was Don Pedro Yanos Valdez. she is originally from La Mesa de Fraile and a resident of Juanacati. No parents are mentioned. only Godparents Loreto Velasco and Dona Maria Polonia Palatoz
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> My paternal great grandmother was Maria Ysabel Caballero, baptised 16Dec1860 in Totatiche, Jalisco. Daughter of Tranquilino Caballero y Maria Juliana de la Trinidad Avila
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> source:
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> I have now found another child of Tranquilino Caballero y Trinidad D'abila, baptised on 01Mar1864 in Tlaltenango de Sanchez Ramon, Zacatecas.
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> This record indicates Ysabel was a male child. Was this name actually used for both sexes? Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
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> Juaquin Choperena y Victoriana Martinez were married on 16Sept1801.
> I believe Juaquin was born in Navarra, Spain to Pedro Jose Choperena y Maria Bautista Yndart about 1771.
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> However, I'm having trouble figuring out the birthplace and parents of Victoriana.
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My paternal great grandmother was Maria Ysabel Caballero, baptised 16Dec1860 in Totatiche, Jalisco. Daughter of Tranquilino Caballero y Maria Juliana de la Trinidad Avila
source:
I have come across Ysabel as a male name once when indexing.
Raquel Ruiz
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My paternal great grandmother was Maria Ysabel Caballero, baptised 16Dec1860 in Totatiche, Jalisco. Daughter of Tranquilino Caballero y Maria Juliana de la Trinidad Avila
source:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18685-15759-46?cc=1874591&wc…
I have now found another child of Tranquilino Caballero y Trinidad D'abila, baptised on 01Mar1864 in Tlaltenango de Sanchez Ramon, Zacatecas.
source:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15530-33887-83?cc=1804458&wc…
This record indicates Ysabel was a male child. Was this name actually used for both sexes? Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
Saludos,
Roy
Ysabel and Ynes/Ygnes are used frequently for males in Jerez, Zac
Linda
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I have come across Ysabel as a male name once when indexing.
Raquel Ruiz
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My paternal great grandmother was Maria Ysabel Caballero, baptised 16Dec1860 in Totatiche, Jalisco. Daughter of Tranquilino Caballero y Maria Juliana de la Trinidad Avila
source:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18685-15759-46?cc=1874591&wc…
I have now found another child of Tranquilino Caballero y Trinidad D'abila, baptised on 01Mar1864 in Tlaltenango de Sanchez Ramon, Zacatecas.
source:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15530-33887-83?cc=1804458&wc…
This record indicates Ysabel was a male child. Was this name actually used for both sexes? Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
Saludos,
Roy
Indeed Isabel is one of those names used for both sexes in Mexico and other countries.
The nickname for the girls is Chabela, and for the boys is Chabelo.
Here are a couple of examples:
http://www.salondelafama.com.mx/salondelafama/trono/alfasf.asp?x=164
http://www.mipueblo.mx/27/2250/jose-isabel-nava-castillo-chabelo/
Regards,
Victoriano Navarro
Thank you Victoriano...I have added another great grand uncle to my tree.
Hello Group,
In the past, I've summitted concern and read similar concerns from other members of a general drop in posts and receiving responses to member posts never having received the initial
• nameJosef Maria Coronado
• genderMale
• burial date02 Oct 1816
• burial placeGuadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
• death date
• death place
• age60
• birth date1756
• birthplace
En la penúltima línea dice gs film number 1108100
Entonces hay que ir a familysearch.org/search
Luego a la pestaña que dice Catalog
https://www.familysearch.org/catalog-search
Ahí se le pica a Search or Film Number y se captura 1108100
De ahí nos lleva a la colección que es: Registros parroquiales, 1815-1930, de Guadalajara. Se le pica y nos da el listado de todos los microfilms.
Ahí viene la parroquia, años y tipo de documentos que hay en el microfilm y y se puede buscar en línea.
Saludos,
Victoriano Navarro
Saul Navarro
Mira en la Iglesia llamada Jesus en las Defunciones en los anos de 1815-1830.
I am trying to figure out a relationship: the above-named couple certainly married, as proved by the baptismal records of three of their children (Beatríz, 1712, Teocaltiche; Sebastián, 1717, San J
Hi Lawrence
Check out this post, or rather Armando's response to it, regarding Nicolas Romo de Vivar and Maria Villalobos and Mariana Villalobos. It may give you another lead.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20592
Regards,
Denise Fastrup
Javier González López Portillo
Safety Cos you will clear your doubts and if Mariana Villalobos CARRILLO de Sandi:
MATRIMONIOS GUADALAJARA 1778-1799 DISPENSA MATRIMONIAL 4 ° GRADO , VILLA DE LA ENCARNACION JAL. 287 ABRIL 1779, IMAGEN 192 FILM 168058 ,SE DESCRIBE EL ARBOL DE ASCENDENTES DE AMBOS CONTRAYENTES
Hola, Javier,
Muchas gracias por esta información. Sin embargo, todavía no sé la relación entre esta familia y 'mi' Diego Romo de vibar ...
Lawrence Bouett
Orinda, CA
cónyuge: Maria López
hijo: José Abrahám Coronado
Nombre José Abrahám Coronado
Sexo Male
Fecha de bautismo 29 Mar 1895
Lugar de bautismo Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
Fecha de nacimiento
Esta Acta la encuentras en Guadalajara, Sagrario Metropolitano, 38343,
Bautismos 1887-1895, Imagen 618.
--Esther
2013/4/27
> cónyuge: Maria López
> hijo: José Abrahám Coronado
> Nombre José Abrahám Coronado
> Sexo Male
> Fecha de bautismo 29 Mar 1895
> Lugar de bautismo Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
> Fecha de nacimiento
> Lugar de nacimiento
> Fecha de la defunción
> Nota sobre el nombre
> Raza
> Nombre del padre Pablo Coronado
> Lugar de nacimiento del padre
> Edad del padre
> Nombre de la madre Maria López
> Lugar de nacimiento de la madre
> Edad de la madre
> Nombre del abuelo paterno
> Nombre de la abuela paterna
> Nombre del abuelo materno
> Nombre de la abuela materna
> Número de lote o batch I06479-8
> Sistema de origen Mexico-EASy
> Número de microfilm de FamilySearch 38343
> Identificador de referencia v 83 p 327
> AGRADECERÉ TODA LA INFORMACION QUE SE ME OTORGUE.
Here is a picture of Nuevo Espana (Mexico) in the year 1650. What is helpful is the names of the different sections such as:
"Reino De La Nuevo Galicia" "Reino De La Nuevo Viscaya"
The Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society will be hosting its 4th Annual
Conference September 2013 at the California State Archives.
Connie Alvarez and I hope to attend.
I hope NuestrosPrimos are there, too.
Jose Carlos de Leon
Jose Carlos,
Most of us do belong to Nuestros Ranchos, looking forward to seeing you at the conference. More updates to follow!
Alicia,
San Jose, Ca
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society 4th Annual Conference
Connie Alvarez and I hope to attend.
I hope NuestrosPrimos are there, too.
Jose Carlos de Leon
The Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society will be hosting its 4th Annual
Conference September 2013 at the California State Archives.
Since there were so many discoveries on another Castañeda forum, I thought I'd try again.
I'm trying to get more info, anything, on Castañedas from Atolinga, Zac.
Here's what I have:
Thank You Rosalinda, now I can research the correct Castaneda Line.
I know there were several Castaneda Families in Atolinga and Tlaltenango. Can someone tell me if they have Rosalia Castaneda in any of your Family Trees. She married Josef Antonio Raigosa. Children were :
Josef Luis Raigosa DOB 10-11-1781
Anna Ma Guadalupe Raigosa DOB 05-19-1779
Ma Petra Salome Raigosa DOB 10-23-1784
Ygnacio Raigosa
I have the children baptism records, but they dont specify Grandparents, so I really dont know which Castaneda line Rosalia belongs to.
Thanks
Ruben Rojas Delgado
Hi Ruben,
The marriage date for Rosalia and Jose Antonio is 5 Mar 1764 in Tlaltenango, ZAC.
The indexing project (batch) number is M60714-1 and the source film number is 443969.
Her parents were Pedro Joseph de Castaneda and Maria Gertrudis Lopez (I am related to Rosalia through her father). Jose Antonio's parents were Marcos de Raigosa (also spelled Raygoza, Raygosa, Raigoza) and Ana de Santiago Mojarro (also spelled Moxarro). I am related to Jose Antonio Raigosa through his father, Marcos.
Let me know if you have further questions.
Rosalinda
Hi Helyn,
Here is a thought...
You're looking for Francisco Castaneda and Maria Tomasa Dias. Could this be
the couple?
Franco. De Castaneda married Maria Thomasa de Soria on Feb. 10, 1773 in
Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac(familysearch.org, film 443970, image 191)
The record states that they are both from Charcuelos and the time period
makes it possible.
Francisco's parents are listed as Santiago Castaneda (his brother is Diego
de los Santos Castaneda that you mentioned) and Rufina de Balensuela. Maria
Thomasa's parents are listed as Lorenso de Soria and Gertrudis Juliana de
Loera. Maybe you can find some reference to "Soria" in their children's
baptismal or marriage records?
I have the Diego de los Santos Castaneda line in my tree several times, so
maybe be are related...
Alicia
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IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please note that this is my NEW EMAIL (maliciacastaneda
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that e-mail remains active.
--Alicia Castaneda-Rodriguez
Alicia...Thank you for taking the time from your busy schedule to research
this line for me. I shall take your recommendation, and scrutinize the
baptismal and marriage records. Hopefully, I will find that we have
common ancestors. Again, thank you for your kindness....Helyn
________________________________
From: Alicia Castaneda
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:27 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Castaneda de Atolinga
Hi Helyn,
Here is a thought...
You're looking for Francisco Castaneda and Maria Tomasa Dias. Could this be
the couple?
Franco. De Castaneda married Maria Thomasa de Soria on Feb. 10, 1773 in
Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac(familysearch.org, film 443970, image 191)
The record states that they are both from Charcuelos and the time period
makes it possible.
Francisco's parents are listed as Santiago Castaneda (his brother is Diego
de los Santos Castaneda that you mentioned) and Rufina de Balensuela. Maria
Thomasa's parents are listed as Lorenso de Soria and Gertrudis Juliana de
Loera. Maybe you can find some reference to "Soria" in their children's
baptismal or marriage records?
I have the Diego de los Santos Castaneda line in my tree several times, so
maybe be are related...
Alicia
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that e-mail remains active.
--Alicia Castaneda-Rodriguez
Hi Laura,
I have the same ancestors in my family tree.
This is what I have:
*Josseph Alexandro Castaneda *b. 3/21/1731 (El Monte) Atolinga, Zac (
familysearch.org, film 443802, image 528)
siblings:Josseph Fernando, Vicenta Simona, Juan Antonio, Juan Pedro Lino,
Antonio Marino, Joseph Miguel, and Christobal Anzelmo
wife: *Maria de la Candelaria Ramirez (Carrillo) *b. abt 1740 Valle de Xerez,
Zac
married 4/9/1755 Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac (familysearch.org, film
443969, image 44)
daughter: *Maria Rita Margarita Castaneda *b. 4/27/1769 Atolinga, Zac (
familysearch.org, film 443806, image 565)
husband: Antonio Julian de Haro b. 3/15/1765 Los Serritos, Zac
married 1/10/1787 Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac (familysearch.org, film
443970, image 607)
Josseph Alexandro Castaneda's parents:
*Cristobal Manuel Castaneda *b. 1/1/1709 Tlal. Zac d. before 10/28/1782 (
familysearch.org, film 443801, image 187)
*Nicolasa Romero Ortiz *b. abt. 1715 Juanacatic, Jal
married 2/2/1730 Colotlan, Jal (familysearch.org, film 443781, image 100)
Cristobal Manuel Castaneda's siblings: Mariahana Micaela, Maria Antonia,
and Hernando Alfonso
Nicolas Romero Ortiz sister: Maria Romero Ortiz
Cristobal Manuel Castaneda's parents:
*Hernando Castaneda *b. abt 1688 d. before 1/3//1743
*Antonia Covarrubias *b. abt 1693
Nicolasa Romero Ortiz's parents:
*Mathias Romero Ortiz *b. abt 1679* *Jal. (brother: Diego Romero)
*Francisca Godina *b. abt 1684 Colotlan, Jal d. before 2/2/1730 (siblings:
Nicolas, Lorenzo,and Maria)
married: 3/1699 Totatiche, Jal (Familias Antiguas de Tlaltenango, page 156
by Arturo Ramos Pinedo)
*(I'm a big fan of your work, Arturo and we have many common ancestors.)*
Mathias Romero Ortiz's* *parents:
*Diego Romero*
*Maria Ortiz*
**
Francisca Godina's parents:
*Francisco Godina *b. abt 1664 Tlal., Zac
*Maria Perez *b. abt 1677 Totatiche, Jal
married: unk date 1719?, Colotlan, Jal (Familias Antiguas de Tlaltenango,
page 158 by Arturo Ramos Pinedo)
Francisco Godina's parents:
*Diego Godina*
*Maria Gonzalez *
**
Maria Perez's parents:
*Tomas Gonzalez d. before 2/15/1677*
*Maria Cardenas*
I'm happy to share whatever additional information I might have, so please
let me know if you have questions. Please keep me posted as to any new
discoveries that you make.
Thanks
Alicia
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@gmail.com). My old e-mail castanedama@sbcglobal.net will no longer be
active. If you have my work e-mail with the Carole Robertson Center (crcl),
that e-mail remains active.
--Alicia Castaneda-Rodriguez
Alicia, Laura, & Rosalinda.....I am beginning to think there may have been at least
three Castaneda lines in Atolinga in this time frame.
Alicia, you generously shared your file, we did not find a hint of a connection.
Over five years ago, I was researching, the line listed below. I was given some
facts that this was not my correct line. Any connection ladies?
Diego de los Santos Castaneda born about 1731
married - Jacinta Llamas - June 1752 in Tlaltenango
son - Jose Mariano born about 1757
married Juana de Dios Puentes 2 Jan 1777 Tlaltenango
her parents Salvador Antonio Puentes & Antonia Juana Benita Pelayo
( I have some information on the Puentes/Munia & Pelayo/Cortes lines
I can share)
I worked on my line for many years, and have exhausted many avenues. I was hoping
to find where they may have lived prior to the Atolinga area.
Francisco Castaneda born about 1757 spouse Ma Tomasa Dias
all of their children were baptized in Tlaltenango however, the records indicated
they were from Atolinga - Charcuelos.
Telesforo 1777 - Marcos 1780 - Tomas Antonio 1783 - J. Ylario 1785 -
Juana Gertrudis 1788 - Albina 1789 - Marcelina 1791
Do any of these name look familiar?
Gracias, Helyn
Laura,
We are connected through the Castañeda line, and I looked through your Ancestry tree. We are also connected through at least two more families, the
Llamas and the Mayorgas. Contact me through the group, and we can
compare notes.
Rosalinda
________________________________
From: Alicia Castaneda
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:47 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Castaneda de Atolinga
Hi Laura,
I have the same ancestors in my family tree.
This is what I have:
*Josseph Alexandro Castaneda *b. 3/21/1731 (El Monte) Atolinga, Zac (
familysearch.org, film 443802, image 528)
siblings:Josseph Fernando, Vicenta Simona, Juan Antonio, Juan Pedro Lino,
Antonio Marino, Joseph Miguel, and Christobal Anzelmo
wife: *Maria de la Candelaria Ramirez (Carrillo) *b. abt 1740 Valle de Xerez,
Zac
married 4/9/1755 Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac (familysearch.org, film
443969, image 44)
daughter: *Maria Rita Margarita Castaneda *b. 4/27/1769 Atolinga, Zac (
familysearch.org, film 443806, image 565)
husband: Antonio Julian de Haro b. 3/15/1765 Los Serritos, Zac
married 1/10/1787 Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac (familysearch.org, film
443970, image 607)
Josseph Alexandro Castaneda's parents:
*Cristobal Manuel Castaneda *b. 1/1/1709 Tlal. Zac d. before 10/28/1782 (
familysearch.org, film 443801, image 187)
*Nicolasa Romero Ortiz *b. abt. 1715 Juanacatic, Jal
married 2/2/1730 Colotlan, Jal (familysearch.org, film 443781, image 100)
Cristobal Manuel Castaneda's siblings: Mariahana Micaela, Maria Antonia,
and Hernando Alfonso
Nicolas Romero Ortiz sister: Maria Romero Ortiz
Cristobal Manuel Castaneda's parents:
*Hernando Castaneda *b. abt 1688 d. before 1/3//1743
*Antonia Covarrubias *b. abt 1693
Nicolasa Romero Ortiz's parents:
*Mathias Romero Ortiz *b. abt 1679* *Jal. (brother: Diego Romero)
*Francisca Godina *b. abt 1684 Colotlan, Jal d. before 2/2/1730 (siblings:
Nicolas, Lorenzo,and Maria)
married: 3/1699 Totatiche, Jal (Familias Antiguas de Tlaltenango, page 156
by Arturo Ramos Pinedo)
*(I'm a big fan of your work, Arturo and we have many common ancestors.)*
Mathias Romero Ortiz's* *parents:
*Diego Romero*
*Maria Ortiz*
**
Francisca Godina's parents:
*Francisco Godina *b. abt 1664 Tlal., Zac
*Maria Perez *b. abt 1677 Totatiche, Jal
married: unk date 1719?, Colotlan, Jal (Familias Antiguas de Tlaltenango,
page 158 by Arturo Ramos Pinedo)
Francisco Godina's parents:
*Diego Godina*
*Maria Gonzalez *
**
Maria Perez's parents:
*Tomas Gonzalez d. before 2/15/1677*
*Maria Cardenas*
I'm happy to share whatever additional information I might have, so please
let me know if you have questions. Please keep me posted as to any new
discoveries that you make.
Thanks
Alicia
--
--Alicia Castaneda-Rodriguez
Alicia, Laura, & Rosalinda.....I am beginning to think there may have been at least
three Castaneda lines in Atolinga in this time frame.
Alicia, you generously shared your file, we did not find a hint of a connection.
Over five years ago, I was researching, the line listed below. I was given some
facts that this was not my correct line. Any connection ladies?
Diego de los Santos Castaneda born about 1731
married - Jacinta Llamas - June 1752 in Tlaltenango
son - Jose Mariano born about 1757
married Juana de Dios Puentes 2 Jan 1777 Tlaltenango
her parents Salvador Antonio Puentes & Antonia Juana Benita Pelayo
( I have some information on the Puentes/Munia & Pelayo/Cortes lines
I can share)
I worked on my line for many years, and have exhausted many avenues. I was hoping
to find where they may have lived prior to the Atolinga area.
Francisco Castaneda born about 1757 spouse Ma Tomasa Dias
all of their children were baptized in Tlaltenango however, the records indicated
they were from Atolinga - Charcuelos.
Telesforo 1777 - Marcos 1780 - Tomas Antonio 1783 - J. Ylario 1785 -
Juana Gertrudis 1788 - Albina 1789 - Marcelina 1791
Do any of these name look familiar?
Gracias, Helyn
Laura,
We are connected through the Castañeda line, and I looked through your Ancestry tree. We are also connected through at least two more families, the
Llamas and the Mayorgas. Contact me through the group, and we can
compare notes.
Rosalinda
________________________________
From: Alicia Castaneda
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:47 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Castaneda de Atolinga
Hi Laura,
I have the same ancestors in my family tree.
This is what I have:
*Josseph Alexandro Castaneda *b. 3/21/1731 (El Monte) Atolinga, Zac (
familysearch.org, film 443802, image 528)
siblings:Josseph Fernando, Vicenta Simona, Juan Antonio, Juan Pedro Lino,
Antonio Marino, Joseph Miguel, and Christobal Anzelmo
wife: *Maria de la Candelaria Ramirez (Carrillo) *b. abt 1740 Valle de Xerez,
Zac
married 4/9/1755 Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac (familysearch.org, film
443969, image 44)
daughter: *Maria Rita Margarita Castaneda *b. 4/27/1769 Atolinga, Zac (
familysearch.org, film 443806, image 565)
husband: Antonio Julian de Haro b. 3/15/1765 Los Serritos, Zac
married 1/10/1787 Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac (familysearch.org, film
443970, image 607)
Josseph Alexandro Castaneda's parents:
*Cristobal Manuel Castaneda *b. 1/1/1709 Tlal. Zac d. before 10/28/1782 (
familysearch.org, film 443801, image 187)
*Nicolasa Romero Ortiz *b. abt. 1715 Juanacatic, Jal
married 2/2/1730 Colotlan, Jal (familysearch.org, film 443781, image 100)
Cristobal Manuel Castaneda's siblings: Mariahana Micaela, Maria Antonia,
and Hernando Alfonso
Nicolas Romero Ortiz sister: Maria Romero Ortiz
Cristobal Manuel Castaneda's parents:
*Hernando Castaneda *b. abt 1688 d. before 1/3//1743
*Antonia Covarrubias *b. abt 1693
Nicolasa Romero Ortiz's parents:
*Mathias Romero Ortiz *b. abt 1679* *Jal. (brother: Diego Romero)
*Francisca Godina *b. abt 1684 Colotlan, Jal d. before 2/2/1730 (siblings:
Nicolas, Lorenzo,and Maria)
married: 3/1699 Totatiche, Jal (Familias Antiguas de Tlaltenango, page 156
by Arturo Ramos Pinedo)
*(I'm a big fan of your work, Arturo and we have many common ancestors.)*
Mathias Romero Ortiz's* *parents:
*Diego Romero*
*Maria Ortiz*
**
Francisca Godina's parents:
*Francisco Godina *b. abt 1664 Tlal., Zac
*Maria Perez *b. abt 1677 Totatiche, Jal
married: unk date 1719?, Colotlan, Jal (Familias Antiguas de Tlaltenango,
page 158 by Arturo Ramos Pinedo)
Francisco Godina's parents:
*Diego Godina*
*Maria Gonzalez *
**
Maria Perez's parents:
*Tomas Gonzalez d. before 2/15/1677*
*Maria Cardenas*
I'm happy to share whatever additional information I might have, so please
let me know if you have questions. Please keep me posted as to any new
discoveries that you make.
Thanks
Alicia
--
--Alicia Castaneda-Rodriguez
Hi Helyn and Alicia,
Helyn--
Is Diego de los Santos Castaneda your ancestor? I do have some information on him and his ancestors-- I am related to him through his mother, Catarina Gonzalez. His father was Antonio de Castaneda. Let me know if you need information.
Rosalinda
Laura,
We are connected through the Castañeda line, and I looked through your Ancestry tree. We are also connected through at least two more families, the Llamas and the Mayorgas. Contact me through the group, and we can compare notes.
Rosalinda
Can you tell me who Jesus Segovia's parents were? I have Juan Castaneda and Jesus Segovia in my files with 3 children born in Ciudad Zac 2 who marry and have children in Tetillas, district of Jerez but the parents of Juan Castaneda are Julio Castaneda and Severa Gonzales but the dates are similar.
Linda Castanon-Long
longsjourney@yahoo.com
________________________________
From: "mayangrl@sonic.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 8:10 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Castañeda de Atolinga
Since there were so many discoveries on another Castañeda forum, I thought I'd try again.
I'm trying to get more info, anything, on Castañedas from Atolinga, Zac.
Here's what I have:
Alexandro Castañeda b. abt 1760
wife: Maria Calendaria Ramirez b. abt 1760
son: José Antonio Castañeda b. abt 1783 (I have marriage cert)
wife: María Eugenia de Aro b. abt 1783
son: Julio de Jesús b. 1802
wife: María Mónica de Refugio Gonzales b. 1812
son: Juan Castañeda b. abt 1830 (3rd great-grandfather)
wife: Jesús Segobia b. abt 1830
Thanks!
Laura Gonzalez
Hi Laura,
Here are some links that may be helpful:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15246-660-26?cc=1410092&wc=6… Informacion Matrimonial of Alexandro Castaneda and Maria Candelaria Ramirez (includes their parents' names)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18416-5739-69?cc=1874591&wc=… Marriage Dispensation for Juan Antonio Castaneda, the brother of Alexandro (it gives some ancestors' names)
Good luck!
Rosalinda
Is there any other place to look up records?
I had problems as well on Internet Explorer. I switched to Google Chrome and it works fine now.
Raul Munoz
I have experienced this also on occasion.
If you make the search too specific, that is, you enter names, dates, and places, or have more than one of the "exact match" boxes checked, the search engine tries to match all the parameters, fails, and returns nothing.
Make the search less specific, and when the search returns records, then try to make it more specific only one field at a time. You should then have more success.
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
Can you provide us with some examples? I haven't noticed a problem with that. I have only seen problems with opening digitized records.
Armando
I didn't make any notes of searches that didn't work; I just tried less restrictive searches until they produced results.
The area that I've been looking at is Leon, Guanajuato.
Just prior the the latest changes at Family Search, I was having problems loading images, but that all went away when the new site was fully up and running.
I have noticed that when changes are being made in the background, we have problems. When they're done, the problems are resolved.
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
Does anyone know where I'd be able to find old maps (1700s-1800s) of Jalisco and its little towns and villages?
This should help
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~33818~1171534…
Raul Munoz
Hi everyone, my name is Ruben Rojas,I am new to this site and this is my first post.I did research on this and came to a dead end.
Hi Ruben,
First, I want to welcome you to this group-- it's a great resource. I wanted to let you know that I have the same questions as you do about Phelipe de Santiago Delgado, as he is my 6th great-grandfather, through his second wife, Maria Eginia Carrillo.
I have hit the same dead end as you have, although I do have Phelipe's parents' names from his marriage record. I'm not sure that the records exist anymore, or perhaps they were not filmed, which is disappointing. I still have hope, but I'm not too sure about where to go next.
Send me a message through the group, and we can compare notes.
Rosalinda
Rosalinda, I also have a copy of all three of his marriage records and defuncion but I only see the name of the wifes' parents. Please if you have Phelipe's parents name I would love to know who they are so I can try to research further and share with you.
Thank You
Ruben
Hi Ruben--
I will follow up with an email to answer your question.
Rosalinda
Hello,
This is in response to Enrique (Message 6).
I was just working on our Brambila line today and found your information very informative.
Hello again:
I haven't work on this line since the last time I posted the forum about the Brambila family. Have you found any aditional information about this lineage?
Also the last time, I didn't reflect that you also descended from Andrés María Brambila married with Antonia López, I descend from his daughter named Gertrudis Pio Brambila married with José María Ramírez de Prado y Miranda. Also I have other lines but I think that's the closest between you and me. Do you have any information about Antonia López? I haven't found a marriage certificate and I didn't have Gregorio as one of his sons, maybe you have found it.
Hope you can see my message, thank you in advance.
Enrique
can you tell me where in Mexico this Brambila line is from? In my records I have them as Membrila or Bramila but for the most part they are from the district of Tamazula, Jalisco.
Linda in Everett, Wa
________________________________
From: "enrique_agraz94@hotmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:18 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brambila y Arriaga
Hello again:
I haven't work on this line since the last time I posted the forum about the Brambila family. Have you found any aditional information about this lineage?
Also the last time, I didn't reflect that you also descended from Andrés María Brambila married with Antonia López, I descend from his daughter named Gertrudis Pio Brambila married with José María Ramírez de Prado y Miranda. Also I have other lines but I think that's the closest between you and me. Do you have any information about Antonia López? I haven't found a marriage certificate and I didn't have Gregorio as one of his sons, maybe you have found it.
Hope you can see my message, thank you in advance.
Enrique
Hi,
I've just read your message, and I also find your information very helpful.
In the first marriage of Agustín de la Brambila y Arriaga with Antonia González de León, the parents of Antonia were Antonio González de León and Catalina Díaz Santana.
The parents of Agustín were as you said were José de la Brambila y Arriaga and Antonia Isabel de Ibarra.
The fact about the parents of José, I didn't know it. I think that with a lot of probablity you're true, so they were José de la Brambila y Arriaga and Catalina Lomelin y Peralta. One of his sister's should be Antonia de la Brambila y Arriaga, married in Santa Veracruz, Distrito Federal, México. With her marriage information, I could know that she was born in Quirandaro , Michoacán, being again another clue of the statement that the Brambilas' first settled in Michoacán before Jalisco.
So, for the moment I'll continue with the research, If you have any new information let me know, thank you for your time.
Just tying up loose threads and going over old forums for clues. I did find the marriage for Antonia Brambila y Arriaga which mentions that she was born in Quirandaro, Michoacán. (Marriage link: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-11157-33005-92?cc=1615259&wc… .
However, I was able to locate the Baptism for Antonia which shows she was actually born in Teocuitatlan, Jalisco(Baptism link:https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19048-50742-42?cc=1874591&wc….
Certainly there must be a link with Quirandaro, Michoacán, but I'm thinking it was possibly the birthplace of the parents; but most of the siblings of Joseph were baptized in Mexico City. Let me know what you think.
Deedra Corona
Deedra,
I have found among my lines a Brambila y Arriaga, there are a couple, but I have one that I need help on, I hope you have some clues.
I have a José Antonio Tamayo Valverde baptized on 2 Dec 1703 in Santa Veracruz, Ciudad de México, Distrito Federal, México son of Pedro Tamayo Valverde and Antonia de la Brambila Lomelín. I have identified Antonia´s parents as José de la Brambila y Arriaga and Catalina de Lomelín y Peralta. This last couple had several children in Jalisco. José baptized on 4 Aug 1664 in Cocula and Manuel on 13 Jun 1663 in Teocuitatlán de Corona. There is no doubt these have close ties with you Brambila y Arriaga. What amazes me is the distance this family would generally travel, I have found them all over Mexico City, Michoacán, Jalisco, etc. They have close ties to the conquest and were very wealthy and had several haciendas in Michoacán, this explains their close ties there around Morelia and Zamora. I hope you can help.
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
Daniel, According to their marriage Pedro's parents were:
Juan Tamayo Salinas and Maria Velarde
I'm sorry that I'm unable to send you the link right now because I'm having problems with my WiFi, but the marriage date is: 16 April, 1697 in Santa Cruz, Mex,DF
Film 35849
Page 157
Image 445
If you have trouble let me know and I'll probably have my new modem next week. The marriage mentions she was born in Michoacan, but I also found her baptism in Teocuitatlan de Corona on 1 Jan 1671
Film 282927
Image 236
as I mentioned in a previous comment.
Hope this is helpful. I also have some information on Antonia's grandparents if that would be helpful? Let me know.
Deedra Corona
Deedra,
Thank you so much. I had strong interest in the Brambila y Arriaga when they linked with my Pérez de Bocanegra. This family has been vital records in the history and conquest of México, which is something I love to analyze and research. Have you found any information beyond José de la Brambila y Arriaga and Catalina de Lomelín y Peralta? One of my questions is, I have seen so many ''loose'' Lomelín around and about and wonder if they are somehow linked to Carlo and Luigi Lomellini who settled in México of whom many of us here in the forum descend. I have only done some research on the conquistador Juan Antonio de la Brambila.
Thanks,
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
Daniel, For Catalina Lomelin I have only her parents having been: Manuel Coria Peralta and Catalina Lomelin. I have Joseph's parents as Augustin Brambila y Arriaga and Gracia Alvarado. I believe I was given this information in a NR forum by our friend Enrique. I don't have any proof, but he may be able to help. From Joseph Brambila and Catalina Lomelin I have a total of 7 children all born in Teocuitatlan, Jalisco; except Joseph:
Manuel:B. 13 June 1663
For some reason I don't have the link
His marriage:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18715-12401-0?cc=1874591&wc=…
Lorensa: 11 Sept. 1661
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19048-51339-37?cc=1874591&wc…
Antonio: 27 July 1659
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19048-50854-29?cc=1874591&wc…
Juan: 22 Oct. 1657
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19048-50752-40?cc=1874591&wc…
Francisca: 12 Nov. 1671
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19048-50597-35?cc=1874591&wc…
Antonia: 1 Jan. 1671
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19048-50742-42?cc=1874591&wc…
Joseph: 4 Aug. 1664 The only one born in Cocula, Jalisco
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18433-11375-90?cc=1874591&wc…
My tree descends from the son, Joseph, born in 1664 in Cocula. There appears to be confusion because the information in the son's, Augustin, marriage to Antonia Gonzales de Leon states the information incorrectly because the parents of Augustin are Joseph and Antonia Isabel Ybarra Guijarro.
Here is Augustin's baptism: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18721-60328-21?cc=1874591&wc…
And his death also mentions his wife: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18721-4990-69?cc=1874591&wc=…
I believe the person writing the information in the marriage was confused because Agustin's father is always referred to as Joseph.
If you have other information or thoughts it would be greatly appreciated
Deedra Corona
Deedra,
Thank you so much for sharing your finds on the Brambila baptisms, they clarify certain things. What I find interesting is that on Manuel´s marriage he is stated as a native or resident of Xiquilpán, Michoacán, its very near Zamora. I believe the Brambila y Arriage in Zamora that I have studied is very closely related to him.
On Francisca´s baptism her padrinos are stated as Villaseñor y Lomelín, it would be interesting to see if Catalina de Lomelín y Peralta is in fact Villaseñor Lomelín. The couple that started this name were Juan de Villaseñor y Cervantes and María de Lomelín daughter of Luigi Lomellini and María del Olmo. Villaseñor y Lomelín were settled in mostly Ávalos, (Sayula, Teocuitatlán, etc but extended into Tamazula, Zamora, Michoacán and Guadalajara.)
Some records I have found while searching familysearch (you may have them)
Agustín de la Brambila y Arriaga and Gracia de Alvarado had the following:
Micaela 13 Oct 1625 in Santa Veracruz
Agustín 20 Jun 1628 in Asunción
Juan 1 Apr 1619 Santa Veracruz
Catalina 9 Dec 1620 Santa Veracruz
Gabriel 19 Jul 1633 San Gabriel Arcángel
Alejandro 25 Mar 1630 Santa Veracruz
It appears Agustín may have been married previously or a child out of wedlock the following marriage of Pedro de Alvarado son of Juan de la Peña and Leonor de Alvarado married to Francisca de Arriaga ]daughter of Agustín de la Brambila y Arriaga and Juana Colmenero. Notice how Agustín is the son of Conquistador Juan Antonio de la Brambila and Francisca de Arriage, both grandmother and grandaughter have the same name, she was a namesake.
I working on a Brambila y Arriaga line that married into the Marqués de Villamayor through the Pérez de Bocanegra it´s one of my grandmother´s line. There are still a couple of loose ends and some documentos to full document it.
I hope this helps us in our research,
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
Daniel,
I am a believer that this Jalisco line of Brambilas is also descended from Carlo and Luigi as you mentioned. I located a baptism for Jusepe Brambila, son of Agustin and Gracia Alvarado: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-11536-38426-94?cc=1615259&wc…
I was surprised to find many children baptized with that name around that time. It just sounded so odd.
Deedra Corona
Hola a todos, buenos dias.
Estimado Alessandro,
Este parece que pueda ser una hermana de Eleuterio, https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NP2H-DB1 por lo que quizas en Sahuayo puedas encontrar algo.
Saludos,
Ricardo
-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de viteliky@hotmail.com
Enviado el: Sunday, April 21, 2013 10:47 AM
Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] VALDIVIA/ NAVARRO -- RAMON VALDIVIA + MA. MARGARITA MALDONADO (DE ORNELAS)
Hola a todos, buenos dias.
Tengo el agrado de comunicarles que finalmente pude encontrar la informacion matrimonial que buscaba de mi antepasado JOSEPH (ELEUTEIO) VALDIVIA con FRANCISCA ROSALIA NAVARO. Habiendo encontrado este documento pude finalmente saber quienes fueron sus padres (Ramon Baldibia/Ma Margarita Maldonado (De Ornelas) + PEDRO NAVARRO/PETRONILA (Ptrona/Petra)SOLIS. Incluso encontre al parecer el matrimonio de estas parejas en La Barca y en Ayo el Chico, pero nuevamente el mismo problema (no mencionan a los padres), por tal razon tengo que volver a buscar la INF MATRIMONIAL correspondiente...... Lamentablemene Ayo el Chico no cuenta con informaciones que abarquen el año de 1729 ya que comienzan mas tarde.
Alguien puede orientarme en donde puedo localizar las Informaciones de Ayo el Chico para el año 1729? A que jurisdiccion pertenecia en aquel ayer? Los poblados mas cercanos que pudieran ser son: Atotonilco el Alto, Degollado, La Barca y Ocotlan. Son los poblados mas importantes que le circundan... En cual?
Por otro lado, de pura casualidad alguno de ustdes tiene a las parejas que acabo de localizar en sus investigaciones:
RAMON VALDIVIA (Baldibia) + MA. MARGARIATA MALDONADO (De Ornelas). Abt 1710/20
PEDRO NAVARRO + PETRONILA (Petrona/Petra)SOLIS abt 1720
Tambien en las Informaciones de La Barca, localize una hermana de Joseph Eleuterio Valdivia, la cual se llama JUANA BALDIBIA (hija de Ramon Baldibia y Margarita Maldonado) y su posible bautismo el 12 Oct 1730 en Sahuayo, Michoacan. Alguen la tiene en sus archivos?
Tambien quiero agradecer a todas las personas que estuvieron en contacto conmigo y que trataron de ayudarme a localizar a mis antepasados Valdivia/ Navarro desde el inicio. Les agradezco mucho el granito de arena y espero seguir contando con su guia y con su apoyo ya que esta ardua tarea CONTNUA....
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I DO SPEAK ENGLISH TOO, SO IF YOU CONSIDER THAT YOU CAN CONTRIBUTE ON THIS MATTER FEEL FREE TO REPLAY IN THIS LANGUAGE.
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Me encantaria saber de ustedes, sus comentarios, sus consejos y/o aportaciones.
Saudos
Alessandro.
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