DE LA CÁMARA Y MENOYO, GALLEGOS, CAXIGALES

Necesito ayuda para encontrar información de algunos ancestros míos en Nochistlán, Zacatecas. Entre ellos se encuentran Juan Manuel de la Cámara y Menoyo casado con María Teresa de Castañedo Cev

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Ramirez wrote:

>Necesito ayuda para encontrar información de algunos ancestros míos en Nochistlán, Zacatecas. Entre ellos se encuentran Juan Manuel de la Cámara y Menoyo casado con María Teresa de Castañedo Cevallos; también busco información sobre Santiago Gallegos casado con María Magdalena López; así como de Cayetano Corona y Juana Teresa Caxigales.

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Nos podias dar fechas aproximadas de sus nacimientos o matrimonios?

Y has intentando buscarlos en el IGI de familysearch.org? Los registros de
Nochistlan parecen estar bien representados en ese indice.

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From: Ramirez
Date: 2006/07/21 Fri PM 07:34:04 CDT
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DE LA CÁMARA Y MENOYO, GALLEGOS, CAXIGALES

Necesito ayuda para encontrar información de algunos ancestros míos en
Nochistlán, Zacatecas. Entre ellos se encuentran Juan Manuel de la Cámara y
Menoyo casado con María Teresa de Castañedo Cevallos; también busco
información sobre Santiago Gallegos casado con María Magdalena López; así
como de Cayetano Corona y Juana Teresa Caxigales.

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Puedes ordenar las informaciones matrimoniales para ese año. El numero es el siguiente para Nochistlan.
Dentro de las informaciones matrimoniales no solo incluye los nombres de los padres sino de los abuelos y ocho testigos, cuatro para el pretenso y cuatro para la pretensa.

Información matrimonial 1734-1738 - FHL INTL Film [ 226759 ]

Buena Suerte,
Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
San Jose, Ca

----- Original Message ----
From: Ramirez
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 7:49:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DE LA CÁMARA Y MENOYO,

He buscado tanto en el IGI y en las mismas actas de Nochistlán, pero en algunas solo me da el dato de los testigos y no el de como se llamaban sus padres. En el de Santiago Gallegos no se encontraron el acta DEL 04 DE MAYO DE 1735.

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Ramirez wrote:

>He buscado tanto en el IGI y en las mismas actas de Nochistlán, pero en algunas solo me da el dato de los testigos y no el de como se llamaban sus padres. En el de Santiago Gallegos no se encontraron el acta DEL 04 DE MAYO DE 1735.

Bergara Lines

Just a heads up, the film jumps back and forth between dates as it appears to
be the remnants of several books... however, within each remnant, the
marriages are in order. I am about a third of the way through and have gone

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I have been finding a lot of records today with Bergaras... I have been able to piece together three generations of Bergaras in Tlaltenango though we still have a 100 year gap in order for you to link to one of his lineages but I have a feeling you will..

Generation: 1

Diego BERGARA
Diego m. Ana Francisca 3 May 1649, Tlaltenango, Zacatecas, MEXICO. [Group Sheet]

Children:

2. Miguel BERGARA b. 1650; c. 26 Feb 1650, Tlaltenango, Zacatecas, MEXICO.

Generation: 2

Miguel BERGARA (1.Diego1) b. 1650; c. 26 Feb 1650, Tlaltenango, Zacatecas, MEXICO.
Miguel m. Catalina Veronica Antes 1681. [Group Sheet]

Children:

3. Miguel BERGARA
4. Nicolas BERGARA
5. Dominga BERGARA b. 1670; c. 25 Jun 1670, Tlaltenango, Zacatecas, MEXICO.
6. Diego BERGARA b. 1668; c. 21 Sep 1668, Tlaltenango, Zacatecas, MEXICO.

Generation: 3

Miguel BERGARA (2.Miguel2, 1.Diego1)
Miguel m. Isabel Maria 7 May 1684, Tlaltenango, Zacatecas, MEXICO. [Group Sheet]

Nicolas BERGARA (2.Miguel2, 1.Diego1)
Nicolas m. Maria Magdalena 13 Feb 1686, Tlaltenango, Zacatecas, MEXICO. [Group Sheet]

Dominga BERGARA (2.Miguel2, 1.Diego1) b. 1670; c. 25 Jun 1670, Tlaltenango, Zacatecas, MEXICO.

Diego BERGARA (2.Miguel2, 1.Diego1) b. 1668; c. 21 Sep 1668, Tlaltenango, Zacatecas, MEXICO.

Looking for Lujan

Looking for Leonarda Lujan born in 1800's in Sain del Alto Zacatecas. Any Lujans out there in rancho land? She only had one son which was my grandfather Jose. She died when he was a young man and he took care of her. My grandfather said she died of an illness called "flores blancas". Sometimes I wonder what it was like being a single unwed mother in the 1800's Mexico. What I find intriguing is how Jose was accepted by the Martinez Family. His Father Eduardo Martinez was married and his wife and kids treated my grandfather very well. My grandfather Jose Lujan married as a young man dont know his first wife's name she died giving birth and so did the child. Later he married my grandmother Maria Mendoza Castaneda. My grandmother Maria rememberd attending his wedding to his first wife when she was a young girl. She said she and her friends giggled as the young couple kissed. Leonarda Lujan had other sisters I would like to know who they were. If anyone has any info or where I

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Lupe:

I think the best place to start is to try to find your grandfather's baptism certificate. It should list his grandparents and once you have that information you will know who Leonarda's parents were. With that information you will not only be one generation further back in your genealogy but you should be able to find any other children that they had and therefore find your great-grandmother's siblings.

Do you know your grandfather's date and place of birth? He was likely baptised within a couple weeks of his birth most likely in the closest parrish.

My Apologies: Forgot to change Subject from Digest

Sorry folks I've been sending out private emails to various ones trying
to get the Digest people to change the subject heading from Digest to
properly reflect the content of the email and here I've done the same

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I just wanted to share an anecdote...

Today, one of my best friends from college... which was more than ten years ago for me tracked me down. She Googled me, which is probably a pretty common occurance these days but she immediately asked me what sort of genealogy research I was doing. It seems that when someone Googles me they get the podcast that I did for Joseph and his podcast series when I was in Mexico last year.

Joseph... thank you for bringing all of us together and thank you for your work. I think we can forgive your minor transgression.

P.S. Is there anyone who would like a photo-quality poster size print of a map of Zacatecas from the mid-1800s from Antonio Garcia Cuba's Atlas geografico, estadistico e historico de la Republica Mexicana?

I printed a few copies and have one left over...

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I would if it's still available. Marge:)
On Jul 21, 2006, at 2:09 AM, arturoramos wrote:

>
> I just wanted to share an anecdote...
>
> Today, one of my best friends from college... which was more than ten
> years ago for me tracked me down. She Googled me, which is probably a
> pretty common occurance these days but she immediately asked me what
> sort of genealogy research I was doing. It seems that when someone
> Googles me they get the podcast that I did for Joseph and his podcast
> series when I was in Mexico last year.
>
> Joseph... thank you for bringing all of us together and thank you for
> your work. I think we can forgive your minor transgression.
>
> P.S. Is there anyone who would like a photo-quality poster size print
> of a map of Zacatecas from the mid-1800s from Antonio Garcia Cuba's
> Atlas geografico, estadistico e historico de la Republica Mexicana?
>
> I printed a few copies and have one left over...

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Hi Arturo:
I am interested in a map. How much are they? My Grandparents were from
Pánuco.

John Gonzalez
1gnzlz@verizon.net

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----- Original Message -----
From: "arturoramos"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 12:09 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos and Joseph's work

> P.S. Is there anyone who would like a photo-quality poster size print of a
> map of Zacatecas from the mid-1800s from Antonio Garcia Cuba's Atlas
> geografico, estadistico e historico de la Republica Mexicana?

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I only have one map, which I would be willing to give away but since I have gotten multiple requests, I offer to do the following: Anyone wanting a map, please let me know by next Wednesday. I will then take the image back down to the photo shop and get some more printed. I believe the last batch was in the range of $25-$30 for a 16x20 matte phot paper print.

You can see the map on the David Rumsey Map Collection by searching under Mexico and paging through until you get to the series of maps by Garcia Cubas.

http://www.davidrumsey.com

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Thanks but I'll pass this time. Marge:)
On Jul 21, 2006, at 11:59 AM, arturoramos wrote:

>
> I only have one map, which I would be willing to give away but since I
> have gotten multiple requests, I offer to do the following: Anyone
> wanting a map, please let me know by next Wednesday. I will then take
> the image back down to the photo shop and get some more printed. I
> believe the last batch was in the range of $25-$30 for a 16x20 matte
> phot paper print.
>
> You can see the map on the David Rumsey Map Collection by searching
> under Mexico and paging through until you get to the series of maps by
> Garcia Cubas.
>
> http://www.davidrumsey.com

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Please! I would love to have a copy of the map you mentioned. Let me know
if I am not too late in contacting you. If not tell me how I can get it and
how much you are charging for it.
Jose Aguayo
----- Original Message -----
From: "arturoramos"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:09 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos and Joseph's work

>
> I just wanted to share an anecdote...
>
> Today, one of my best friends from college... which was more than ten
> years ago for me tracked me down. She Googled me, which is probably a
> pretty common occurance these days but she immediately asked me what sort
> of genealogy research I was doing. It seems that when someone Googles me
> they get the podcast that I did for Joseph and his podcast series when I
> was in Mexico last year.
>
> Joseph... thank you for bringing all of us together and thank you for your
> work. I think we can forgive your minor transgression.
>
> P.S. Is there anyone who would like a photo-quality poster size print of a
> map of Zacatecas from the mid-1800s from Antonio Garcia Cuba's Atlas
> geografico, estadistico e historico de la Republica Mexicana?
>
> I printed a few copies and have one left over...

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Arturo,

If it's not too late, I would also like to purchase a map and know that if it is still possible you will let me know the cost including Shipping and handling charges. With great appreciation.

Sinceramente,
Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo

----- Original Message ----
From: Jose Aguayo
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 12:58:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos and Joseph's work

Arturo:
Please! I would love to have a copy of the map you mentioned. Let me know
if I am not too late in contacting you. If not tell me how I can get it and
how much you are charging for it.
Jose Aguayo
----- Original Message -----
From: "arturoramos"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:09 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos and Joseph's work

>
> I just wanted to share an anecdote...
>
> Today, one of my best friends from college... which was more than ten
> years ago for me tracked me down. She Googled me, which is probably a
> pretty common occurance these days but she immediately asked me what sort
> of genealogy research I was doing. It seems that when someone Googles me
> they get the podcast that I did for Joseph and his podcast series when I
> was in Mexico last year.
>
> Joseph... thank you for bringing all of us together and thank you for your
> work. I think we can forgive your minor transgression.
>
> P.S. Is there anyone who would like a photo-quality poster size print of a
> map of Zacatecas from the mid-1800s from Antonio Garcia Cuba's Atlas
> geografico, estadistico e historico de la Republica Mexicana?
>
> I printed a few copies and have one left over...

General Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15

>
> Hi Olivia,

It is great to count you in as another cousin. It looks like our closest
common ancestors are Diego and Petrona, while you and Tino share Mariana
Delgadillo as your closest common ancestor.

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Joseph,

My Castañedas were from La Estanzuela, Zac. I connected with Anna Arellano
(wife of Jose Muñoz) who is/was a member of NuestrosRanchos and the other
was Carol Lester. The three of us descended from three different children
of Manuel Castañeda and Maria Antonia de la Torre. I am also thinking that
one day I might tie in to Helyn's Castañeda's line, but only time will tell.

Maria

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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:31:31 -0500
> From: Joseph Puentes
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Castanedas???: was-Diego Delgadillo
> Ancestry
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID: <44BE7A83.2060908@nc.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> OK fess up who is your Casta?eda cousin and from where. give us some
> details. Are you related to Helyn's Casta?edas from Tlaltenango?
>
> I've got some Casta?eda's from Cuculiten, but I don't know a lot about
> them.
>
> joseph
>
>
> Maria Cortez wrote:
>
> >This is great. It's the second time I find the same common line with two
> >different Ranchos members. The first time it was my Casta?eda line from
> >Zacatecas and now the Delgadillos from Nochistlan.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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I am a descendant of a Castaneda lineage from Tlaltenango as well... I have traced this lineage back to the 1600s...

Antonio DE CASTANEDA

Father: Antonio DE CASTANEDA
Mother: Mariana PEREZ

Wife: Catalina GONZALEZ
Married 17 Nov 1711 Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas
Children
> 1. Diego Santos CASTANEDA
2. Andrea DE CASTANEDA
3. Pedro Joseph CASTANEDA GONZALEZ, b. 1712
4. Juan CASTANEDA GONZALEZ, b. 1718

Source: Tlaltenango Marriages 1704-1754
"Antonio de Castaneda mulato libre hijo legitimo de Antonio de Castaneda y de Mariana Perez ya difunta con Catalina Gonzalez espanola hija legitima de Diego Gonzalez y de Catalina Ponce. padrinos Rafael de Guera??? y Juan Gonzalez. Testigos Don Francisco Bracamontes y Mathias Castellon."

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Arturo, this record is another example of how the caste system was not as strict as Mexican history implies. I also have lineage of Mulato Libre's who marry Espanoles. Everything I read says caste systems were not to be crossed but the marriage records say otherwise.. just an observation.
Linda in B.C.

arturoramos wrote:

I am a descendant of a Castaneda lineage from Tlaltenango as well... I have traced this lineage back to the 1600s...

Antonio DE CASTANEDA

Father: Antonio DE CASTANEDA
Mother: Mariana PEREZ

Wife: Catalina GONZALEZ
Married 17 Nov 1711 Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas
Children
> 1. Diego Santos CASTANEDA
2. Andrea DE CASTANEDA
3. Pedro Joseph CASTANEDA GONZALEZ, b. 1712
4. Juan CASTANEDA GONZALEZ, b. 1718

Source: Tlaltenango Marriages 1704-1754
"Antonio de Castaneda mulato libre hijo legitimo de Antonio de Castaneda y de Mariana Perez ya difunta con Catalina Gonzalez espanola hija legitima de Diego Gonzalez y de Catalina Ponce. padrinos Rafael de Guera??? y Juan Gonzalez. Testigos Don Francisco Bracamontes y Mathias Castellon."

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Good Day!!!! The names listed below are also my directs, as well for Angie Godina. I have not submitted this line as I have a glitch just down the line a bit, that I have not been able to resolve for a few years.
I also have the information listed below, do believe I shared it with Angie.
Arturo, are we now double cousins?
Saludos, Helyn

Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
Arturo, this record is another example of how the caste system was not as strict as Mexican history implies. I also have lineage of Mulato Libre's who marry Espanoles. Everything I read says caste systems were not to be crossed but the marriage records say otherwise.. just an observation.
Linda in B.C.

arturoramos wrote:

I am a descendant of a Castaneda lineage from Tlaltenango as well... I have traced this lineage back to the 1600s...

Antonio DE CASTANEDA

Father: Antonio DE CASTANEDA
Mother: Mariana PEREZ

Wife: Catalina GONZALEZ
Married 17 Nov 1711 Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas
Children
> 1. Diego Santos CASTANEDA
2. Andrea DE CASTANEDA
3. Pedro Joseph CASTANEDA GONZALEZ, b. 1712
4. Juan CASTANEDA GONZALEZ, b. 1718

Source: Tlaltenango Marriages 1704-1754
"Antonio de Castaneda mulato libre hijo legitimo de Antonio de Castaneda y de Mariana Perez ya difunta con Catalina Gonzalez espanola hija legitima de Diego Gonzalez y de Catalina Ponce. padrinos Rafael de Guera??? y Juan Gonzalez. Testigos Don Francisco Bracamontes y Mathias Castellon."

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Helyn:

I am sure we are cousins through more lines that the Bugarins and Castanedas. I just looked at your surname listing and I also have many other surnames you have on the list and they all go back to Tlaltenango/Colotlan/Jerez in the 1600s: Campos, Carlos de Godoy, etc. You should take a look in my database and see where else we might be connected. I am related to Angie in several ways and to Rosalinda in about 26 different ways. All of us come from the sae group of families who were in the area back then... there weren't that many of them so I have come to believe that basically anyone whose family goes back that far in the area is basically related to everyone else.

I am sure the same phenomenon exists with the early families in Los Altos, etc.

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Yes, Helyn, Arturo and I share the same Castenada family.

I have been keep a running tally of all the connections I have made and I think I am related to about 11 ranchos members...

And all the families are related... like that one article said there is only a finite number of people and if you count the number of ancestors we had 300 years ago some of them are bound to repeat...several repeat within my own line :-)

Angie Godina

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Angie (I'm one of your 11 Ranchos primos) can you make a database of who
you are related to? The kind of database where others can enter in
their info and who they are related to as well. that way we can see how
many ranchos members are related to each other.

I actually remember back when we were on Yahoo that you did this. Is
that file still on the Ranchos site.

Could something like that be done fairly easily on Excell?

joseph

aajay1073 wrote:

>Yes, Helyn, Arturo and I share the same Castenada family.
>
>I have been keep a running tally of all the connections I have made and I think I am related to about 11 ranchos members...
>
>And all the families are related... like that one article said there is only a finite number of people and if you count the number of ancestors we had 300 years ago some of them are bound to repeat...several repeat within my own line :-)
>
>Angie Godina
>

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if you are in contact with those people can you ask them if they still
want to be part of the group. I haven't heard from them for a while.

thanks,

joseph

ps: I'm thinking I might be a Castaneda in Helyn's line as well but only
a guess as I really don't have any evidence.

Maria Cortez wrote:

>Joseph,
>
>My Castañedas were from La Estanzuela, Zac. I connected with Anna Arellano
>(wife of Jose Muñoz) who is/was a member of NuestrosRanchos and the other
>was Carol Lester. The three of us descended from three different children
>of Manuel Castañeda and Maria Antonia de la Torre. I am also thinking that
>one day I might tie in to Helyn's Castañeda's line, but only time will tell.
>
>Maria
>
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>
>
>>Message: 8
>>Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:31:31 -0500
>>From: Joseph Puentes
>>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Castanedas???: was-Diego Delgadillo
>> Ancestry
>>To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
>>Message-ID: <44BE7A83.2060908@nc.rr.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>>OK fess up who is your Casta?eda cousin and from where. give us some
>>details. Are you related to Helyn's Casta?edas from Tlaltenango?
>>
>>I've got some Casta?eda's from Cuculiten, but I don't know a lot about
>>them.
>>
>>joseph
>>
>>
>>Maria Cortez wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>This is great. It's the second time I find the same common line with two
>>>different Ranchos members. The first time it was my Casta?eda line from
>>>Zacatecas and now the Delgadillos from Nochistlan.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>

Ortega and Sonora

Sorry to eavesdrop; however, I found this message of special interest. If
Sonora is mentioned, you have my undivided attention.To date I have been
able to trace my TISNADO line to the marriage of Juan Domingo Tisnado and

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His research does include Sonora. Sorry to leave that state off the list.

Unfortunately, I see no mention of Ortega, Tisnado, nor Lisarraga.

---- George Hoge wrote:
> Sorry to eavesdrop; however, I found this message of special interest. If
> Sonora is mentioned, you have my undivided attention.To date I have been
> able to trace my TISNADO line to the marriage of Juan Domingo Tisnado and
> Ma. Magdalena Contreras in 1736 in Magdalena, Sonora. As shown by a later
> padrón, he is listed as being of the presidio de Túbac. In addition, forty
> years later his son, Juan José Tisnado, is listed in the muster rolls of the
> presidio de Tucsón.
>
> Regarding the surname Ortega, I have found numerous instances of
> intermarriage between the TISNADO, ORTEGA and LISARRAGA. This marriages
> ocurred in the area of the presidio de Altar.
>
> George
>
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:23:41 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: NathanJones
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romo & Rangel across Aguascalientes,
> > Jalisco, Chihuahua, Nayarit and Sinaloa.
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > Message-ID:
> >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> >
> >
> > Dear cousins:
> >
> > I just got this email from a gentleman in Aguascalientes who is
> > researching our same lines. He must have run across my homepage. As I
> > understand his message Diego Romo de Vivar ranged over a wider area than
> > we anticipated, not extending his lifestyle to Hidalgo del Parral,
> > Chihuahua alone, but reaching as far north in Nueva Biscaya as Villa
> > Ahumada, which he founded.
> >
> > If you've never been there, I highly recommend Villa Ahumada. It's the
> > town that cheese built. I think Menonite Cheese, but in any case a soft,
> > moist, white cheese served on a fresh hand made tortilla.
> >
> > Out of this world! Vendors sell them to passing cars, trains,
> > busses....pedestrians! They probably sold them to passing wagon trains.
> >
> > All decades before Pollo Loco!
> >
> > Ernie: dame un poco m?s de informaci?n sobre los Romo de Vivar: Diego y
> > Pedro. Te informo que Diego estuvo unos a?os en Chihuahua como
> > colonizador
> > y fund? lo que ahora es Villa Ahumada.. Es probable que haya dejado
> > descendencia fuera de matrimonio por all?. Hay un estudio interesante de
> > ese
> > episodio.Tengo documentado que se cas? en Aguascalientes, no en Espa?a.
> > Pedro estuvo en Alamos, Sonora tambi?n como colonizador, pero al parecer
> > volvi? ya viejo a Teocaltiche, Jalisco. Es fundador de la mayor?a de las
> > l?neas geneal?gicas de Los Altos de Jalisco y de ah?, de las de Sonora y
> > Sinaloa. Tengo la hip?tesis de que vinieron a Am?rica por que son primos
> > hermanos del Capit?n Juan Rinc?n de Vivar y el Presb?tero Pedr? Rinc?n (de
> > Vivar) de Ortega, poderos?simo personaje que fund? el mayorazgo de los
> > Rinc?n-Gallardo. Es probable que los Romo hayan venido a ayudar a los
> > primos
> > ricos y luego que sirvieron a la corona como colonizadores en las
> > fronteras
> > de los chichimecas, se asentaron en esta regi?n como propietarios. Est?
> > documentado (Archivo hist?rico de Aguascalientes, 1654), que ambos
> > estuvieron un tiempo en la costa de lo que ahora es Nayarit, junto con
> > otros
> > colonos del centro de Nueva Galicia, defendiendo la costa de los ataques
> > piratas.
> > Saludos
>

GEDCOM Database

I'm getting the following message when I attempt to access the Gedcom file database.
Pat Silva Corbera

TNG Genealogy Database
Service Temporarily Unavailable
The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems.

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I'm still unable to access the GEDCOM file. A day ago I forgot to "log
out," of Ranchos, wonder if that could have created the problem... as I
said to Sally last evening, when we both were online at the same time, and
she was able to view the GEDCOM file, and I could not, "maybe the server
thinks I've over stayed my welcome."
Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Silva Corbera"
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 6:15 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] GEDCOM Database

>
> I'm getting the following message when I attempt to access the Gedcom file
> database.
> Pat Silva Corbera
>
> TNG Genealogy Database
> Service Temporarily Unavailable
> The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to
> maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.

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Pat...

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. It seems to be working now. I
think that the server that we have the site on has some sites that are not
well designed and overload the database server from time to time.

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From: Pat Silva Corbera
Date: 2006/07/20 Thu PM 08:15:22 CDT
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] GEDCOM Database

I'm getting the following message when I attempt to access the Gedcom file
database.
Pat Silva Corbera

TNG Genealogy Database
Service Temporarily Unavailable
The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance
downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.

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You're welcome. I'll try it again later this evening...
Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arturo Ramos"
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] GEDCOM Database

> Pat...
>
> Thanks for bringing that to my attention. It seems to be working now. I
> think that the server that we have the site on has some sites that are not
> well designed and overload the database server from time to time.
>
> =====================
> From: Pat Silva Corbera
> Date: 2006/07/20 Thu PM 08:15:22 CDT
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] GEDCOM Database
>
>
> I'm getting the following message when I attempt to access the Gedcom file
> database.
> Pat Silva Corbera
>
> TNG Genealogy Database
> Service Temporarily Unavailable
> The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to
> maintenance
> downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.

Mexican Nicknames

In an earlier message, Patricia brought up the topic of nicknames, which in Spanish are known as "apodos." She asked whether such nicknames were common among Mexican people. My answer would be a resounding yes.

Comments

Comment

My Tio Beto used to call me "Baquita" (calf) when I was little because
he said I couldn't say "Maguita" when I was little. Evermore that was
his name for me, and I'd love to hear him say it again if it meant he
was alive. His real name was Roberto. Marge:)
On Jun 15, 2006, at 2:17 PM, arturoramos wrote:

>
> In an earlier message, Patricia brought up the topic of nicknames,
> which in Spanish are known as "apodos." She asked whether such
> nicknames were common among Mexican people. My answer would be a
> resounding yes.
>
> In fact, as a child growing up in Los Angeles, it was rare that my
> siblings, cousins or I would refer to each other by our real names.
> We all had apodos for each other. The nicknames tended to be
> physically descriptive, often derogatory on the surface and always
> clever...
>
> Among my sibling there was "la larga", "la chaparra", "el molanche",
> "el prieto", "el guero", "la flaca" and "el gordo"
>
> You see the dichotomies... I was "el prieto" and my younger brother,
> who is much fairer than me was "el guero". We also had other names...
> some of mine: "R2D2", "Tulipan", etc.
>
> I had cousins who were "la titi" (who stuttered as a child and whose
> father--also a stutterer--was known as "tartajas") and "la pollo" who
> was pigeon-toed, etc.
>
>
>

Comment

I never thought to ask my husband if his family members had nicknames until now.
He said that he was known as "cuba," because he was chubby (then); a dark skin brother was called "indio," and the lighter skin one "guero," the youngest child was called, "cricquet/cricket," another brother, for whatever reason was called "tapon," Tino said it meas "snot, bogger," a little on the gross side. Not sure of the spelling.
Tino's mom whose name was Maria Refugia was known as Ruth and Cuka. He couldn't remember if his dad had a nickname or not.

It's always nice to recall, "fond memories," of years ago. Pat

"M. Vallazza" wrote:
My Tio Beto used to call me "Baquita" (calf) when I was little because
he said I couldn't say "Maguita" when I was little. Evermore that was
his name for me, and I'd love to hear him say it again if it meant he
was alive. His real name was Roberto. Marge:)
On Jun 15, 2006, at 2:17 PM, arturoramos wrote:

>
> In an earlier message, Patricia brought up the topic of nicknames,
> which in Spanish are known as "apodos." She asked whether such
> nicknames were common among Mexican people. My answer would be a
> resounding yes.
>
> In fact, as a child growing up in Los Angeles, it was rare that my
> siblings, cousins or I would refer to each other by our real names.
> We all had apodos for each other. The nicknames tended to be
> physically descriptive, often derogatory on the surface and always
> clever...
>
> Among my sibling there was "la larga", "la chaparra", "el molanche",
> "el prieto", "el guero", "la flaca" and "el gordo"
>
> You see the dichotomies... I was "el prieto" and my younger brother,
> who is much fairer than me was "el guero". We also had other names...
> some of mine: "R2D2", "Tulipan", etc.
>
> I had cousins who were "la titi" (who stuttered as a child and whose
> father--also a stutterer--was known as "tartajas") and "la pollo" who
> was pigeon-toed, etc.
>
>
>

Comment

Arturo,
gosh you could be talking about my family.
I have heard those names too. We even had english names.....cabbage....for
the cousin with the curly hair....cabbage???
El Molo....cousin with large teeth....what is up with us???
Or the "ito" or "ita" at the end of everything........abuelita.....all of us
called my grandmother abuelita.....when I had to translate for some parents
and someone said how to you say grandmother......I said abuelita....and
someone said that's not right....I had to think......I was
estelita....ugh.......there was ginito, cocosito.....I mean really....
Stella

In reply to by lunalatina1955

Comment

In my family the nickname for Enrique has always been Kiko, with an "o" at the end. Perhaps from Enrico.

Glorita for Gloria.

Rules for Raul.

Beto for Roberto.

Nettie for Ernesto. My mother calls me Nessie. It took me years to figure out she meant Ernesto.

Also Neto for Ernesto.

Pata for Patricia.

I don't know if it was Uncle Sam's influence that brought all these new names into Mexico, such as Alicia, Ernie, Patricia...largely replacing older names, such as Primitivo, Tirsa, Blasa, Filemon, Venadita, Osita, Nepomucena...and one of my favorites from old documents, "Nombres Dulces."

---- John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net> wrote:
> Other nicknames:
>
> Hilaria= Laya
> Isaura= Chawa, Chava (also for Salvador)
> Enrique= Kike
> Francisco=Quico, Paco, Pancho, Cisco ( I have never heard Quico used for
> Enrique. Heard it here for the first time)
> Socorro=Coco
> Dolores=Lola, Lolo (male)
> Eulalio=Lalo
> Eulalia=Lala
> Anastacio=Tacho
>
> John Gonzalez
> Wildomar, CA.
> 1gnzlz@verizon.net
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "arturoramos"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:24 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Name Translations
>
> > Some other nicknames:
> >
> > Rosario = Chayo
> > Enrique = Quico
> > Eduardo = Lalo
> >
> >
>

In reply to by NathanJones

Comment

I have come across some names in California that really throw me for a loop. My daughter lives in San Diego near a street names "Santa Cristobal".
In northern San Diego County there is a "Espola Rd" At first I thought that somebody had misspelled "Espuela" (spur) since this road is out in the countryside, in horse country. I found out that it is a combination of the first two letters of the name for each town that the road goes through: Escondido, Poway, and Lakeside. In the same area there is "Citricado Rd." It took me a while to figure out the meaning. It is a combination of Citrus and avocado.! "Encinitas" If the root word is Encino, than the name should be "Encinitos"

Sometimes I wonder about "Los Feliz" in Los Angeles. Feliz=happy but Felix is the proper name. "Mission Viejo" in Orange County ?. "La Mirada"? ( the look) "La Vista" would have been better. One only needs to drive through almost any new neighborhood or housing development to find streets with names that will make you laugh. Each city should have a knowledgeable advisor in their planning or licensing commission to revue the street names before they are assigned. Some street names in Spanish are outright rediculous!
I am sure we all have experienced weird names in Spanish all over the Country.

John Gonzalez

1gnzlz@verizon.net

In reply to by gnzlzspd

Comment

El Sobrante is a little community in northern California's East Bay . That means the leftovers.

In this case what was left when the surrounding cities incorporated. El Sobrante was what no one else wanted.

Boca Raton, Florida is one most Anglos translate as Rat's Mouth, rather than a bay, or inlet.

There's a small town called Las Pulgas in Central California. Hardly a name to draw in the tourists!

When the San Fernando Valley was talking about seceding from Los Angeles, some people suggested naming it El Comal, because of the heat!

Coalinga in Central California is a contraction of Coaling Station. Like Soweto is a contraction of South West Township.

---- John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net> wrote:
> I have come across some names in California that really throw me for a loop. My daughter lives in San Diego near a street names "Santa Cristobal".
> In northern San Diego County there is a "Espola Rd" At first I thought that somebody had misspelled "Espuela" (spur) since this road is out in the countryside, in horse country. I found out that it is a combination of the first two letters of the name for each town that the road goes through: Escondido, Poway, and Lakeside. In the same area there is "Citricado Rd." It took me a while to figure out the meaning. It is a combination of Citrus and avocado.! "Encinitas" If the root word is Encino, than the name should be "Encinitos"
>
> Sometimes I wonder about "Los Feliz" in Los Angeles. Feliz=happy but Felix is the proper name. "Mission Viejo" in Orange County ?. "La Mirada"? ( the look) "La Vista" would have been better. One only needs to drive through almost any new neighborhood or housing development to find streets with names that will make you laugh. Each city should have a knowledgeable advisor in their planning or licensing commission to revue the street names before they are assigned. Some street names in Spanish are outright rediculous!
> I am sure we all have experienced weird names in Spanish all over the Country.
>
> John Gonzalez
>
> 1gnzlz@verizon.net

In reply to by gnzlzspd

Comment

John,

I know what you mean about names of communities or new housing developments in Southern California. It is so obvious that non-Spanish speakers have been assigning some of the names that often don't make any sense at all in Spanish. They seem to just pick any old name that sounds Spanish. I have been waiting to see a "San Conejo". I wouldn't be surprised.

Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: John Gonzalez
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 6:34 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Names

I have come across some names in California that really throw me for a loop. My daughter lives in San Diego near a street names "Santa Cristobal".
In northern San Diego County there is a "Espola Rd" At first I thought that somebody had misspelled "Espuela" (spur) since this road is out in the countryside, in horse country. I found out that it is a combination of the first two letters of the name for each town that the road goes through: Escondido, Poway, and Lakeside. In the same area there is "Citricado Rd." It took me a while to figure out the meaning. It is a combination of Citrus and avocado.! "Encinitas" If the root word is Encino, than the name should be "Encinitos"

Sometimes I wonder about "Los Feliz" in Los Angeles. Feliz=happy but Felix is the proper name. "Mission Viejo" in Orange County ?. "La Mirada"? ( the look) "La Vista" would have been better. One only needs to drive through almost any new neighborhood or housing development to find streets with names that will make you laugh. Each city should have a knowledgeable advisor in their planning or licensing commission to revue the street names before they are assigned. Some street names in Spanish are outright rediculous!
I am sure we all have experienced weird names in Spanish all over the Country.

John Gonzalez

1gnzlz@verizon.net

In reply to by NathanJones

Comment

Ruly for Raul

Memo for Guillermo

Cheo for Eliseo

Tita for Martita

Mague for Margarita

Chayo for Rosario

On Jul 20, 2006, at 8:04 PM, erniealderete@charter.net wrote:

> In my family the nickname for Enrique has always been Kiko, with an
> "o" at the end. Perhaps from Enrico.
>
> Glorita for Gloria.
>
> Rules for Raul.
>
> Beto for Roberto.
>
> Nettie for Ernesto. My mother calls me Nessie. It took me years to
> figure out she meant Ernesto.
>
> Also Neto for Ernesto.
>
> Pata for Patricia.
>
> I don't know if it was Uncle Sam's influence that brought all these
> new names into Mexico, such as Alicia, Ernie, Patricia...largely
> replacing older names, such as Primitivo, Tirsa, Blasa, Filemon,
> Venadita, Osita, Nepomucena...and one of my favorites from old
> documents, "Nombres Dulces."
>
> ---- John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Other nicknames:
>>
>> Hilaria= Laya
>> Isaura= Chawa, Chava (also for Salvador)
>> Enrique= Kike
>> Francisco=Quico, Paco, Pancho, Cisco ( I have never heard Quico used
>> for
>> Enrique. Heard it here for the first time)
>> Socorro=Coco
>> Dolores=Lola, Lolo (male)
>> Eulalio=Lalo
>> Eulalia=Lala
>> Anastacio=Tacho
>>
>> John Gonzalez
>> Wildomar, CA.
>> 1gnzlz@verizon.net
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --------------------------------------------
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "arturoramos"
>> To:
>> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:24 PM
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Name Translations
>>
>>> Some other nicknames:
>>>
>>> Rosario = Chayo
>>> Enrique = Quico
>>> Eduardo = Lalo
>>>
>>>
>>

Comment

I agree with you, Arturo!

I remember my dad's friends mostly by their nicknames: "la tachuela" (this
man was short) "el blue" (this man had blue eyes) "el coyote" (this man did
NOT look like a coyote!) "la porcha" (this man had fish-looking eyes!) and
on and on.......I never thought of them by any other names! It seems to me
that mostly the men were given these nicknames.....I don't remember any for
women, except those derived from their actual names, such as "Chavela" for
Isabel, "Nena" for Irene, "Lola" for Dolores, etc.

All this brings back many wonderful memories! I only wish I had asked more
questions when I was younger and all these folks were still around! I can
imagine the stories they would have told me! :-) More than likely, they
could have given me a lot of clues to help me now with my genealogy
research!

Thanks for reminding me of "the good old days".......

Josie

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of arturoramos
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:18 PM
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mexican Nicknames

In an earlier message, Patricia brought up the topic of nicknames, which in
Spanish are known as "apodos." She asked whether such nicknames were common
among Mexican people. My answer would be a resounding yes.

In fact, as a child growing up in Los Angeles, it was rare that my siblings,
cousins or I would refer to each other by our real names. We all had apodos
for each other. The nicknames tended to be physically descriptive, often
derogatory on the surface and always clever...

Among my sibling there was "la larga", "la chaparra", "el molanche", "el
prieto", "el guero", "la flaca" and "el gordo"

You see the dichotomies... I was "el prieto" and my younger brother, who is
much fairer than me was "el guero". We also had other names... some of
mine: "R2D2", "Tulipan", etc.

I had cousins who were "la titi" (who stuttered as a child and whose
father--also a stutterer--was known as "tartajas") and "la pollo" who was
pigeon-toed, etc.

middle or last names?

I was wondering if anyone can tell me if "del Refugio" or"de Jesus" etc are last names or middle names. For eg. Maria del Refugio Pena Lopez and Jose del Refugio Jimenez. I'm not sure then that I have Jose's mother's last name. The same thing with de Jesus. I have a Jose de Jesus Hernandez and a Maria de Jesus Hernandez. In this case, am I missing both their mothers' last names? or are they related?

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Comment

chula801 wrote:
I was wondering if anyone can tell me if "del Refugio" or"de Jesus" are middle names etc are last names or middle names. For eg. Maria del Refugio Pena Lopez Pena and Lopez are both last names and Jose del Refugio Jimenez. I'm not sure then that I have Jose's mother's last name. The same thing with de Jesus. I have a Jose de Jesus Hernandez and a Maria de Jesus Hernandez. In this case, am I missing both their mothers' last names?

Lavaniya

Comment

I'm pretty sure that "Maria del Refugio" and "Maria de Jesus" are one unit. They derive from the list of titles for Mary found in the litanies to the "Mother of God". The first name you mention is more than likely not a surname given that it is followed by two surnames. In the Jimenez case the other surname might have been simply omitted. If you got the names from the IGI it can simply be another of the inconsistencies that can be found in that database. I have seen the second half of the "Maria del Refugio" used a surname by those who enter data into the IGI. Quite often indigenous people were assigned those names in lieu of a surname.

David, Albany CA

-----Original Message-----
>From: MARIA E GUTIERREZ
>Sent: Jul 20, 2006 11:11 AM
>To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] middle or last names?
>
>
>
>chula801 wrote:
>I was wondering if anyone can tell me if "del Refugio" or"de Jesus" are middle names etc are last names or middle names. For eg. Maria del Refugio Pena Lopez Pena and Lopez are both last names and Jose del Refugio Jimenez. I'm not sure then that I have Jose's mother's last name. The same thing with de Jesus. I have a Jose de Jesus Hernandez and a Maria de Jesus Hernandez. In this case, am I missing both their mothers' last names?
>
>Lavaniya

Comment

David,

"Maria de xxx " is as you say, I think. My mother-in-law and her two sisters were Maria de la Paz, Maria de la Luz, and Maria de la Rosa, but they never used the Maria. We just knew them as Paz, Luz, or Rosa. Paz became Pat because the Anglos kept pronouncing Paz with the "a" as in Pat, and it sounded funny to her, so my mother in law told them to just please call her Pat.

Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: David P. Delgado
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] middle or last names?

I'm pretty sure that "Maria del Refugio" and "Maria de Jesus" are one unit. They derive from the list of titles for Mary found in the litanies to the "Mother of God". The first name you mention is more than likely not a surname given that it is followed by two surnames. In the Jimenez case the other surname might have been simply omitted. If you got the names from the IGI it can simply be another of the inconsistencies that can be found in that database. I have seen the second half of the "Maria del Refugio" used a surname by those who enter data into the IGI. Quite often indigenous people were assigned those names in lieu of a surname.

David, Albany CA

-----Original Message-----
>From: MARIA E GUTIERREZ >
>Sent: Jul 20, 2006 11:11 AM
>To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] middle or last names?
>
>
>
>chula801 > wrote:
>I was wondering if anyone can tell me if "del Refugio" or"de Jesus" are middle names etc are last names or middle names. For eg. Maria del Refugio Pena Lopez Pena and Lopez are both last names and Jose del Refugio Jimenez. I'm not sure then that I have Jose's mother's last name. The same thing with de Jesus. I have a Jose de Jesus Hernandez and a Maria de Jesus Hernandez. In this case, am I missing both their mothers' last names?
>
>Lavaniya

Comment

Lavaniya:

Those are definitely middle names... in fact they are more like first names if you consider that during a certain period in Mexico devout Catholic families named all of their male children Jose and all of their female children Maria and thus the only differentiation of their names was what came after that... i.e. Maria del Refugio was "Cuca", Maria de los Angeles was "Angelita" and Maria del Rosario was "Chayo" while Jose de Jesus was "Chuy", Jose Antonio was "Tono" and Jose de Guadalupe was "Lupe"...

Having read large sections of films from the 17th century from beginning to end, I have noticed that in that time period, when indigenous and Afro-Mexican individuals were mentioned, they tended not to have surnames. As such, the "second name" was so important in differentiating them that sometimes their children took it on as a surname since they did not have any other surname so I have run across a number of individuals identified as mulatos named Juan "Baptista" and their children were then given the surname "Baptista" or lots of individuals identified as Gaspar "de la Cruz" and their children ended up with the surname "Cruz".

However, in all of these cases there were no other surnames and the second name was very distinctive, such that it would not be common as a first name... i.e. I have never seen a Jose de Jesus whose children ended up with the surname Jesus.

I hope this answers your question.

Another important, related thing to remember is that in the Spanish speaking world, surname conventions were very different than what we see in the English speaking world today. It was very common for children to use EITHER the maternal or paternal surname, to combine them or sometimes for surnames to skip generations or sometimes they seem to have be inherited from an uncle or padrino...

I think there was a convention that surnames should differentiate people with otherwise similar names so two siblings named Maria one would take the paternal, the other the maternal, or surnames were inherited according to which family owned the land... a la Jackie O'Nassis keeping her Kennedy name. I think this is an issue that has yet to be examined academically though I know there is a lot of interest and lots of questions out there.

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Comment

Adding to Joseph's comments about your mailing list preferences... everyone should note that if you unsubscribe from the group altogether you will not be able to access all of the restricted areas of the site. You do not have to receive emails from the lists in order to be a member. As Joseph mentioned, there is a "Digest" option whereby you receive only one email from the list per day with all of the postings that were made that day.

That means that you can choose to have one or all lists on "Digest" or if even this is too much for your mailbox, simply select "No Mail" and then you will not receive any postings but you will still be able to post to the lists and the webiste via email.

I personally have only the "Research" list emailing me as these are the messages that usually require feedback and more immediate attention. I check the other messages from the other lists on the site every couple of days.

The "No Mail" option is also useful when you go on vacation. Rather than having the list fill up your mailbox while you are not able to access it, you can simply turn off the mailings for a week (or two if you are lucky enough to take vacations that long) and then change it back to Digest or All Mail when you get back.

Nicknames and Name translations

Some of the nicknames are short hand for their ancient predecessors.

Such as Pepe, which is derived from the Italian/Latin predecessor of Jose, Guiseppe.

I read that there's a town in northern Potugal where the people still speak Latin.

Comments

Comment

Nicknames.

Juan= Paco? I lived in Mexico for quite a number of years and Juan was
=Juan, Juancio, Juancho, or Juanito. I never heard Paco used for Juan, until
now. I could be wrong.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
1gnzlz@verizon.net
================================================================

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nicknames and Name translations

> ---- aajay1073 wrote:
>>
>> I have always found it curious where some nicknames come from. I
>> understand nicknames when they are a shorter version of the original name
>> or as Emilie says, a childs version of name (but those names are not
>> standard). The standard nicknames seem to not even be related to the
>> orignal name like:
>>
>> Refugio = Cuca
>> Jose = Pepe
>> Juan = Paco
>> Francisco = Pancho
>> Jesus = Chuy
>>
>> Today, I think many people with hispanic names are either translating
>> there name, ie
>>
>> Carlos = Charles
>> Diego = James
>> Esperanza = Hope
>>
>> Or they just pick the closest name to their original name:
>> Hilario = Larry
>> Jesus = Jesse
>>
>> Which by the way, Jesus translates to Joshua. And I don't think Refugio
>> translates to Ruth. Sounds more like they just picked the closest 'R'
>> name.
>>
>> Just my two centavos,
>> Angie Godina.

Comment

Paco could be Francisco. My great-grandmother's name was Francisca and
my Tia Offie says she called her Pachita

Marge:)

On Jul 20, 2006, at 7:37 PM, John Gonzalez wrote:

> Nicknames.
>
> Juan= Paco? I lived in Mexico for quite a number of years and Juan was
> =Juan, Juancio, Juancho, or Juanito. I never heard Paco used for Juan,
> until
> now. I could be wrong.
>
> John Gonzalez
> Wildomar, CA.
> 1gnzlz@verizon.net
> ================================================================
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 12:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nicknames and Name translations
>
>
>
>> ---- aajay1073 wrote:
>>>
>>> I have always found it curious where some nicknames come from. I
>>> understand nicknames when they are a shorter version of the original
>>> name
>>> or as Emilie says, a childs version of name (but those names are not
>>> standard). The standard nicknames seem to not even be related to the
>>> orignal name like:
>>>
>>> Refugio = Cuca
>>> Jose = Pepe
>>> Juan = Paco
>>> Francisco = Pancho
>>> Jesus = Chuy
>>>
>>> Today, I think many people with hispanic names are either translating
>>> there name, ie
>>>
>>> Carlos = Charles
>>> Diego = James
>>> Esperanza = Hope
>>>
>>> Or they just pick the closest name to their original name:
>>> Hilario = Larry
>>> Jesus = Jesse
>>>
>>> Which by the way, Jesus translates to Joshua. And I don't think
>>> Refugio
>>> translates to Ruth. Sounds more like they just picked the closest
>>> 'R'
>>> name.
>>>
>>> Just my two centavos,
>>> Angie Godina.
>

Diego Delgadillo Ancestry

This is great. It's the second time I find the same common line with two
different Ranchos members. The first time it was my Castañeda line from
Zacatecas and now the Delgadillos from Nochistlan.

Comments

Comment

OK fess up who is your Castañeda cousin and from where. give us some
details. Are you related to Helyn's Castañedas from Tlaltenango?

I've got some Castañeda's from Cuculiten, but I don't know a lot about them.

joseph

Maria Cortez wrote:

>This is great. It's the second time I find the same common line with two
>different Ranchos members. The first time it was my Castañeda line from
>Zacatecas and now the Delgadillos from Nochistlan.
>
>
>

Comment

Hi Maria, Enrique & Tino,
It appears that I too have a common line with you. My line descends from Petron de Islas>Mariana Delgadillo>Mariana Flores de Medrano>Maria Diaz Montanez>Juana Josepha Gonzalez>Juan Baptista Sandoval>Maria Rumualda de Guadalupe Sandoval & Joseph Theodoro Jauregui>Salvador de Jáuregui>Jose Victoria Xáuregui-my great-grandfather.

Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes
Rowland Hts, CA

Maria Cortez wrote: This is great. It's the second time I find the same common line with two
different Ranchos members. The first time it was my Casta�eda line from
Zacatecas and now the Delgadillos from Nochistlan.

Maria

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Comment

Do I need to keep repeating that the time to rejoice is strongly upon us.

Can you imagine if I was amongst you cousins. . .I mean if I get this
happy over the connects you all make imagine how happy I'd be if I was
one of you. I was geared up there for a second with my prima Erlinda in
B.C. but we still need to do a little research to confirm.

happy days are here!!!

joseph

Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes wrote:

>Hi Maria, Enrique & Tino,
>It appears that I too have a common line with you. My line descends from Petron de Islas>Mariana Delgadillo>Mariana Flores de Medrano>Maria Diaz Montanez>Juana Josepha Gonzalez>Juan Baptista Sandoval>Maria Rumualda de Guadalupe Sandoval & Joseph Theodoro Jauregui>Salvador de Jáuregui>Jose Victoria Xáuregui-my great-grandfather.
>
>Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes
>Rowland Hts, CA
>
>Maria Cortez wrote: This is great. It's the second time I find the same common line with two
>different Ranchos members. The first time it was my Casta�eda line from
>Zacatecas and now the Delgadillos from Nochistlan.
>
>Maria
>
>
>
>
>

Comment

Olivia,

It certainly looks that way, we share the same line up to Juana Josepha
Gonzalez (Tino's line continues with)> Juan Manuel de Sandoval>Maria Rosalia
Sandoval>Maria Ynes Rodriguez>Jose Victoriano Rodriguez Perez>Jose Fernando
Aguirre Perez>Maria Refugio Perez (Tino's mother)
Pat Silva Corbera

Comment

I have a Diego Delgadillo but he was born abt 1661 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas, died 25 Dec 1726, in Jalostotitlán, Jalisco. But I have him married abt 1690 to a Fabiana Ramirez De Mendoza.

I found one child for them named Petronila Delgadillo born about 1698 and married to Juan De Dios Gutierrez de Mendoza 29 January 1714 in Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, Mexico.

Maria-Elena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg
Maria Cortez wrote:
This is great. It's the second time I find the same common line with two
different Ranchos members. The first time it was my Castañeda line from
Zacatecas and now the Delgadillos from Nochistlan.

Maria

Message: 4
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:55:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Silva Corbera

Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diogo Delgadillo Ancestry
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Message-ID:

www.nuestrosranchos.org&nid=14752&pid=&cid=&uid=378&tid=&amp;85ebad98d8a178be8baf16929526446e@www.nuestrosranchos.org
>

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It appears that Enrique Legaspi Frias and Florentino (Tino) Corbera share
common ancestry, via Diego Delgadillo married to Petrona de Isla. This is
the same line that linked with Maria Cortes, another NuestrosRanchos member.
Tino's line continues from Diego and Petrona via their daughter Mariana
Delgadilo bapt. 23 March 1655, Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico, and married to
Francisco Flores de Medrano.
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA.

Comment

Maria-Elena,
What source are you using for your information.

I have a source notation of "Capitulo 33 Descendencia de Bernardo de Ysla y
Maria o Mariana Catharina de Sandoval. Publication Genealogia de
Nochistlan... by Jose Luis Vazquez y Rodriguez de Frias.
Pat

Comment

I got the information from the FHC under Batch# F868246 and source Call #1396257. The birthdate for Diego Delgadillo I estimated from the marriage date I obtained from the Family History Center website.

Take a look and give me your feedback.

Maria-Elena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg

apagaia2 wrote:
Maria-Elena,
What source are you using for your information.

I have a source notation of "Capitulo 33 Descendencia de Bernardo de Ysla y
Maria o Mariana Catharina de Sandoval. Publication Genealogia de
Nochistlan... by Jose Luis Vazquez y Rodriguez de Frias.
Pat

Comment

MARIA E GUTIERREZ wrote:

>I got the information from the FHC under Batch# F868246 and source Call #1396257. The birthdate for Diego Delgadillo I estimated from the marriage date I obtained from the Family History Center website.
>
> Take a look and give me your feedback.
>
> Maria-Elena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg
>
> apagaia2 wrote:
> Maria-Elena,
>What source are you using for your information.
>
>I have a source notation of "Capitulo 33 Descendencia de Bernardo de Ysla y
>Maria o Mariana Catharina de Sandoval. Publication Genealogia de
>Nochistlan... by Jose Luis Vazquez y Rodriguez de Frias.
>Pat
>

Now this "F" batch number is for (at least in this case) Patron
Submitted forms. Not in this case but sometimes you can find the same
information in the Ancetral Files of the search. So if you want to find
out who submitted that work you have to order that film corresponding to
that batch and and then hope really hope that the contact information is
still valid (sometimes they are not) anyway contact that person and hope
they are willing to communicate with you:

DIEGO DELGADILLO
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
About 1660
Christening:
Death:
25 DEC 1726
Burial:

Parents:
Father: DIEGO DELGADILLO Family
Mother: PETRONILA ISLAS

Marriages:
Spouse: FABIANA RAMIREZ DE MENDOZA Family
Marriage:
About 1692 Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, Mexico

Messages:
Family group record submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The
record includes the submitter's name and address and names and
relationships of family members. The address may be outdated. Some
information is estimated. To find the record on the film, you must know
the batch and sheet number.

Source Information:
Batch Number: F868246
Sheet: 046
Source Call No.: 1396257 Type: Film

So this is the specific film you want order "Batches
F868204/8682004-F868311/8683101 - FHL US/CAN Film [ 1396257 ]"

Title
Patron sheets, 1969-1991

Notes
Use the IGI Batch Number Index rather than this record to identify film
numbers.
Individual entry forms and family group sheets used to submit names to
the temples for temple work. Arranged by batch number for the year and
date submitted.
BATCH NUMBERS MAY BE OUT OF ORDER. GAPS IN THE NUMBER RANGES ARE PRESENT.

Subjects
Mormons - Genealogy - Sources

Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
English

Publication
Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah,
1970-1991

Physical
5050 microfilm reels ; 16 mm.

Title Also Known As
Patron submitted forms

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Comment

Maria-Elena,
Here's the children of Diego Delgadillo y Petrona/Petronila Yslas/Isla
that I now have.
Maybe Deena Ortiz or other members of Ranchos can help to verify this
information.
It does appear that your Diego Delgadillo is a member of the family that at
least 4 Rancho members share common ancestry with.
Welcome !
Pat Silva Corbera

Mariana Delgadillo --- bapt. 23 Mar 1655 - IGI K600711
Thomassa Delgadillo -- bapt. 01 Jan 1657 - IGI K600711
Diego Delgadillo b. abt 1660 -- IGI Marriage Record F868246 (info that you
supplied)
Catalina Cortes Delgadillo b. abt 1666 -- IGI Marriage Record F868326
Juan Delgado Yslas bapt. 06 Jan 1668 -- IGI J600711
Catarina Yslas Delgadillo bapt. 05 Jan 1670 -- K600711 (not sure if Catalina
and Catarina are the same individual)
Juana Delgadillo -- IGI Marriage Record 8676301 Sheet 07 Source Call No.
1396287
>

Comment

Hi Maria,

This is great! I'm beginning to believe that if one has Nochistlan
ancestry, then a common ancestor will be found within NuestrosRanchos.
We'll keep looking, need more to have a big fiesta.
Pat

Comment

The fiesta must be in Nochistlan....I suggest we do it during the "hijo ausente" dia held every summer!

papagaia2 wrote: Hi Maria,

This is great! I'm beginning to believe that if one has Nochistlan
ancestry, then a common ancestor will be found within NuestrosRanchos.
We'll keep looking, need more to have a big fiesta.
Pat

Comment

Yes I would have to agree. The Nuestros Ranchos site is very deep when
it comes to Alteños. . .Imagine if Steven Hernandez finds time to be an
active member again. Unfortunately he has taken on a new job within the
Educational system and his time has been so absorbed he hasn't been able
to participate since we made the transition. He did tell me that he did
want to remain a member and will get involved when the time becomes
available whenever that might be.

Meanwhile several of Steven's Los Altos files are in the
"files"-->"members genealogies" area of the group.

joseph

papagaia2 wrote:

>Hi Maria,
>
>This is great! I'm beginning to believe that if one has Nochistlan
>ancestry, then a common ancestor will be found within NuestrosRanchos.
>We'll keep looking, need more to have a big fiesta.
>Pat
>
>
>

Marriage Investigations of Guadalajara: was-FHC films.

Joseph,

THe books are:

Index To The Marriage Investigations of the Diocese of Guadalajara Provinces of Coahuila * Nuevo Leon * Nuevo Santander * Texas ~ 1653 - 1750
By Raul Guerra, Jr. Nadine M. Vasquez, Baldomero Vela, Jr. COpyright 1989

FHC films.

Joseph,

I did not see your email online at the group site to respond to so I am responding this way.

I have been using the FHC in Littleton since 1992.

I have about 5 film from the Diocese of Guadalajara dealing with marriage investigations from

Comments

Comment

I was actually replying to Manuel who resides in Denver and is doing
research in Canadas, Jalisco. But I'm glad you replied because I'm
interested in what you said about the 2 volume book on Marriage
Investigations of Guadalajara. Can you supply the exact title, author,
ISBN #, Publish, and info on that Genealogy group in Texas if it's
handy? You also mention the book by Hilton which I was familar with but
didn't know about this other book that is why I'm interested. thanks much,

joseph

eaherold@att.net wrote:

> Joseph,
>
> I have about 5 film from the Diocese of Guadalajara dealing with
> marriage investigations from
> the 1600s and 1700s. I also have the 2 vol book on Marriage
> Investigations of Gaualajara put out by the
> Genealogy group in Texas. I also have the 1 st volume of Marriage
> Investigations by Hilton.
> If you need me to do lookups from these books I am available.
>
> Esther A. Herold
>
> -------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes
> : --------------
>
>
> > So are you using your Family History Center in Denver? have you
> used the
> > www.familyserarch.org site to find and order films yet?
> >
> > unfortunately for Canadas, Jalisco the pickens are slim as they
> only
> > have Civil records and no church records. . .what follows is a
> partial
> > listing:
>

Cuca

I saw that "other" meaning you referred to Arturo, in my Collins English/Spanish dictionary, and was quite surprised.

My baby sister Pat Alderete plays a character she named Cuca in several plays she wrote. Her Cuca is a sort of pachuca Madge the beautician.

Comments

Comment

Ernie,

"My sister is no shrinking violet. One time she was giving an outdoor
reading in Westwood... "

Ok! here's another connection, "Westwood." That's where many of Tino's
paternal relatives reside. They have been there for years, working in the
logging/saw mill business. Do you have family in Westwood?

No one that I have known named Pat would ever be considered a "shrinking
violet, thought the nickname Patsy may be misleading to some! ;-)
Pat Silva Corbera

Cartas Privadas de Olmos

Martin del Olmos is mentioned in a letter from a Diego Trujillo living in
Cuzco, Peru in 1564. The letter states that he "con Francisco de Aguilera
que va de estas partes que es natural de Toledo y lleva de Martin de Olmos

Comments

Comment

Arturo,

Thank you for the look-up, while it doesn't connect me to any of these Olmos It does allow me to see that the surname Olmos goes back to the sixteenth century in Toledo.

Alicia
San Jose, Ca

----- Original Message ----
From: Arturo Ramos
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:09:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cartas Privadas de Olmos

Alicia:

Martin del Olmos is mentioned in a letter from a Diego Trujillo living in
Cuzco, Peru in 1564. The letter states that he "con Francisco de Aguilera
que va de estas partes que es natural de Toledo y lleva de Martin de Olmos
doce mil pesos, halos llevar a esa ciudad os evnio doscientos y veinte y
cuatro ducados libres de toda costa y derechos."

Fray Juan del Olmo is mentioned in a letter from Pedro de Najera a su hermano
Diego Gonzalez de Najera from Lima in 1587 stating "en estos galeones
vinieron quince frailes de San Francisco los tres de ahi de Cuenca y otrs que
han estado ahi. Todos me dieron nuevas de ustedes y todos ellos escriben.
Llamanse los de Cuenca Fray Pedro de Agreda, Fray Gines de Brihuega y Fray
Juan del Olmo..."

=====================
From: Alicia Carrillo
Date: 2006/07/19 Wed PM 12:47:41 CDT
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cartas Privadas de Olmos

----- Original Message ----
From: arturoramos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:39:17 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cartas Privadas

Arturo,
Could you please do a lookup for Olmo, Fray Juan, Del, Pg 428 and
Olmos, Martin, Page 479s.

Thanks,
Alicia

Sailings from Genova to Mexico

Arturo,

thanks for checking into this. What you say makes sense. I've also read
that the early Spanish sailings were not monitored very closely. That is
what gave birth to the "Sala de Contratación" as well as a series of laws.

Comments

Comment

Arturo and Maria

I was told by my cousin during his readings on Spain and Mexico that Spain did not allow passage from other countries to enter Mexico. If someone from another country wanted to sail to Mexico then they would have to enter a port in Spain and then sail from Spain to Mexico, there were no direct passages.... an old fashion lay over so to speak. I have not done any research to confirm his findings. Just passing along what I heard on the subject.

Rose

Hope Carmona Wilson's Genealogy

Everyone with roots in Nochistlan, Cueva Grande and Monte Escobedo,
Zacatecas have a look at Hope's Rojas, Cabral file in the files area of
the group. Actually it is the file of a relative of her but nonetheless

Comments

To Joseph regarding Maldonado and Tafoya in Juarez, Chihuahua

Joseph

My cousin Dave is related to you thru Roman Maldonado and Maria Tranquilina Rios. His direct line is Maria Salome Rafaela Maldonado the sister to your Antonia Maldonado. I was viewing your tree, do you have Maria Higinia Rios? I traced Dave's Maldonado's to Sevastian Maldonado and Maria Ygnacia Delfin.

Comments

Comment

Well I want to Publicly thank Arturo for setting up that wonderful
Gedcom Database that we have. Thanks Arturo!

Well please do forward my email address to my Primo Dave also ask him if
he'd be interested in joining Nuestros Ranchos for his Los Altos genealogy

. . .that particular branch I have done very little work on. I really
need to get back to it as I know it is a very very rich line and surely
one that will get me back to Spain before the Jalisco side of the
family. . . .but alas my passion and enthusiasm seems to lie with my
Jalisco and Zacatecas roots. . .maybe because that's where I first
started my genealogy back in 2002.

No I don't have Higinia Rios who was that a sister to Tranquilina?

is Sevastian Maldonado the father of Encarnacion Maldonado or further back?

thanks Rose I appreciate you discovering that your cousin and I are
cousins. I guess that would make the 3 of us a circle of primos.

I appreciate your help with this line. if nothing else it reminds me
that I need to get back to Juarez and start doing some serious work there.

thanks again,

joseph

Rose Hardy wrote:

>Joseph
>
>My cousin Dave is related to you thru Roman Maldonado and Maria Tranquilina Rios. His direct line is Maria Salome Rafaela Maldonado the sister to your Antonia Maldonado. I was viewing your tree, do you have Maria Higinia Rios? I traced Dave's Maldonado's to Sevastian Maldonado and Maria Ygnacia Delfin.
>
>MRA. HIGINIA RIOS
> Female
> Christening: 11 MAY 1851 Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico
>Parents:
> Mother: TRANQUILINA RIOS Family
>Source Information:
> Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
> K600525 1848 - 1857 0162706 Film NONE
>
>Dave is also a Los Altos cousin. He and I are related about 11 times about 11-12 generations back in Aguascalientes; Nochistlan, Zacatecas; Teocaltiche and Santa Maria de Los Lagos, Jalisco. He also has Banuelos in Colotlan which may be another connection to you or to your cousin Andy.
>
>Rose

Comment

Joseph

I know what you mean about concentrating on one area at a time...I've done
it many times......wandering in other areas but always return to Los Altos.

Maria Higinia Rios was the daughter of Maria Tranquilina Rios. She was
baptized 11 May 1851 Juarez, Chihuahua. Maria Tranquilina's sister is Maria
Ysidra Rios, baptized 4 April 1834 in Juarez, Chihuahua.

Sevastian Maldonado is the father to Encarnacion Maldonado. (Encarnacion's
mother was Maria Ygnacia Delfin). I have all the siblings baptisms but can't
seem to find Encarnacion's.

I'll pass your message onto Dave Valdez, our primo. I have told him about
your website.

Rose

Facial Recognition Technology

Has anyone else tried facial recognition technology?

I just gave it a try, and was very impressed. I uploaded one of my best, most youthful pictures, and the program instantly scanned the image, broke it down and compared it to its celebrity data bank. Within two seconds my match came up. Cat Stevens! I have always thought I looked like him, on a VERY GOOD day! Finally, someone agreed with me.

Pancho Villa

Jose, Ernie and anyone else interested in Pancho Villa,

Here is a link to a website regarding the last surviving son of Pancho
Villa. He lives in Northern CA. http://www.navavilla.com/

Maria Cortez

Fwd: Research

MARIA LUJAN wrote: Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:08:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: MARIA LUJAN
Subject: Fwd: Research
To: general-@lists.nuestrosranchos.org

Comments

Comment

MARIA LUJAN wrote:

>
>MARIA LUJAN wrote: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:26:07 -0700 (PDT)
>From: MARIA LUJAN
>Subject: Research
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>
> Looking for Lujan surname in Sain del Alto Zacatecas. My grandfather Jose Lujan born May 11, 1896 was illegitamite born to Leonarda Lujan fathered by Eduardo Martinez. Would like to find out more about his mother's family I know there was several sisters. Would like to find out what year Leonarda Lujan was born and where her family came from.
>
> I live in Northern California. I am an artist and I teach young children. I have three grown children.
>
> I have always had an interest in finding out where my roots lie and what I am all about. That is all I'll share for now. Hope you can help me because I also want to know about my grandmother's family surname Castaneda from Sain del Alto, Zacatecas she was born there as Maria Mendoza Castaneda May 29, 1903.
>\
>

there is probably a Family History Center close to you. Here are some of
the films that might get you off to a start:

Title
Registros parroquiales, 1792-1963

Authors
Iglesia Católica. San Sebastián (Sain Alto, Zacatecas) (Main Author)

Notes
Microfilme de manuscritos en el Archivo Diocesano de Durango.
Algunos tomos incluyen su propio índice.
Microfilme de alta reducción (42x). Se requiere lectora de alta
Parish registers of baptisms, confirmations, marriages and deaths.

Subjects
México, Zacatecas, Sain Alto - Church records

Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
Spanish

Publication
Filmado por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah

Physical
En 3 carretes de microfilme ; 16 mm.

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
Bautismos vol. 1-17 1867-1905 - FHL INTL Film [ 1563088 ]
Bautismos vol. 17-26 1905-1933 - FHL INTL Film [ 1563089 Items 1-10 ]
Confirmaciones vol. 1-5 1846-1854, 1869-1879, 1896-1914, 1922-1940 -
FHL INTL Film [ 1563089 Items 11-15 ]
Matrimonios vol. 1-7 1864-1931(vols. fuera de orden) - FHL INTL Film [
1563089 Items 16-22 ]
Defunciones vol. s/n 1867 vol. 3 1912-1963 - FHL INTL Film [ 1563090
Items 1-2 ]
Información matrimonial vol. h/s 1792-1930 - FHL INTL Film [ 1563090
Item 3 ]

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