Juan del Campo y de la Torre + Angela de Velasco Rentería y Mojica

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can you share where you found that marriage dispensation record? I've gone through the marriages in the sagrada mitra for that time period and can't find it..
Erlinda Castanon-Long

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Hey Erlinda,

I don't have the FamilySearch link to the document because it was shared with me as an image over email. I did ask for the link, so as soon as I get it I will post it here. I was told it was a loose sheet from the Jerez archives.

In the meantime, I can either forward it to you by email or you can see it on Ancestry, where I posted it on my public tree. I attached it to the profiles of every single one of the people mentioned in it. My username over there is the same as my handle here.

Cheers!

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I emailed you the dispensa; Linda. Looking forward to reading what you and the rest the cousins make of it.

So I just realised that the info on this dispensa doesn't quite match the info the dispensa of Felipe Santiago de Orta and Antonia de los Dolores Barragán. That one puts Sebastian de la Torre (cc Ana del Rio) as brother of Juan de la Torre (cc Angela Velasco) while, this one of Prudencio and Rafaela lists him as Juan and Angela's son. I assume it ws easy to confuse one Juan for the other (father and son). I suppose it can become clearer with birthdates, but I am not on top of all that info yet. Hopefully someone can solve this (apparent?) mystery/confusion as well as the one regarding Manuel's parent's. Everything else seems to check out, but I will reread the Orta Barragán dispensa and other documents that might help me clarify.

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thank you for sharing the record for Prudencio and Rafaela and I am now more confused than ever and really think I have the children for the two Juan de la Torre and the two different spouses(Angela Renteria Velasco Moxica and Juana Gamboa Villalobos) mixed up.. I am going to wait and let my head clear before trying to tackle it again.

Thank you again for sharing the record
Erlinda Castanon-Long

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Hey Erlinda and all the rest,

I have been re-studying the dispensas and after somebody pointed out to me that I/we need to take into consideration how close in time the witnesses in these dispensas are to the people mentioned as ancestors, it has become very clear that the information on the Prudencio and Rafaela dispensa regarding the parentage Manuel de la Torre is wrong and the information on the Roque de la Torre and Juana de la Torre dispensa is correct. It's obviously Juan and Angela, not Juan Jr. and Agueda (del Rio y Olague!). Not a scribe mistake, but a witness lack of precise knowledge.

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Hey Erlinda,

I don't have the FamilySearch link to the document because it was shared with me as an image over email. I did ask for the link, so as soon as I get it I will post it here. I was told it was a loose sheet from the Jerez archives.

In the meantime, I can either forward it to you by email or you can see it on Ancestry, where I posted it on my tree. I attached it to the profiles of every single one of the people mentioned in it. My username over there is the same as my handle here.

Cheers!

Census of San Antonio, Texas , Nueva Espana (Mexico) June 14, 1718

I found in familysearch.org an online book of the diary of Alarcon that went into Texas in 1718.

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Hi Denise,

Yes, There is something interesting here in the census of San Antonio 1718. If you compare this census with the census of San Antonio in 1763 where the population got a little bigger in 1763 but they all have the same surnames of the people of 1718.

I see two of them Joseph Velasquez, Antonio and Agustin Perez. If they are the same ones in my family tree. Velasquez was originally from Xerez.

Rodriguez

I was wondering if anyone had any information since I have hit a brick wall on this line.

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Juan Rodriguez who married Leonarda de los Rios and then married Magdalena Yanez.

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I was looking through some of the different members of the Rodriguez family and figured Marcial was probably a son of one of those. Glad your answer confirmed what I was thinking. Thank you very much.

Felipe Quezada + María de la Torre y Valdez (Colotlán, Jalisco)

Hey everyone.

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Hey dear Katy,
I’m sorry about the super late reply and thank you so much for sharing all this material and all the work.
Rosalinda and I are still busy looking through each and every one of the dispensas that could help us figure out what is up with Juan and Maria (and) Clara (and Juan). We promise to soon share our conclusions (or atraer more solid suspicions).

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Hey cousins! Rosalinda, Erlinda, Katy, Sandra, Joseph...

I decided to open another thread even though it's related to this one because it's more about the larger de la Torre family (the Juan de la Torre and Angela de Velasco trunks, to be more precise) rather the more specific Quezada-de la Torre one. Letting you know here just in case you only see this thread.

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Hey cousins Rosalinda, Erlinda, Katy, Sandra, Joseph and all the Quesada/Quezada descendants around here.

Wondering if any of you watched the talk that Nefi Arenas gave about Doña Marina/Malintzin on Facebook in which he makes a link between the Quesadas/Quezadas in Nueva Galicia and beyond.

https://fb.watch/v/UH9eLO3O/

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Now a request:

I have the image of the document which records the death/burial of Gertrudis Quezada (daughter of Felipe Quezada and María de la Torre, and wife of Antonio Enríquez de Ulloa). Problem is I can't find the link to it anywhere: not on Family Search, not on Ancestry, not on WikiTree... I cannot for the life of my remember where I got it from. Can anybody help?

Thanks in advance!

UPDATE: found it on Ancestry https://www.ancestry.mx/imageviewer/collections/60017/images/004722128_…
I will keep keep looking for it on FamilySearch, but if anybody has it, I'll be very thankful.

UPDATE 2: a couple of new friends with infinitely more experience and skills was kind enough to share the link with me so I'm posting it as well (hey Julio and Rosalinda):

"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-FQSM-K4?cc=1874591&wc=3JH3… : 28 June 2014), Colotlán > San Luis Obispo > Entierros 1801-1832 > image 37 of 643; parroquias Católicas (Catholic Church parishes), Jalisco.

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Thank you. I was very excited to find this post today. I believe Juan de la Torre and Maria Clara Chavez y Banuelos may be my 7th great grandparents. I have been researching them as possible parents of Agustin de la Torre (married to Catharina Gonzales). This gives me more to look at.
Sandra

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Hey Sandra.
There is a Tlaltenango document from 1723 which confirms that Agustín de la Torre was the son of Capitan Juan de la Torre and Doña Clara de Chavez. It also mentions Catarina Gonzalez and her parents Juan González and Maria Carrillo. Have you seen it? I don't have the link to FamilySearch readily available, but I do have the jpg that Joseph de Leon (author of the post previous to yours) shared on Ancestry.

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here's the link to agustin's marriage info.
"México, Zacatecas, registros parroquiales, 1605-1980," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15237-5908-37?cc=1804458 : 21 May 2014), Tlaltenango de Sánchez Román > Tlaltenango de Sánchez Román > Información matrimonial 1723-1734 > image 6 of 655; paróquias Católicas, Zacatecas (Catholic Church parishes, Zacatecas). on another note: i did get a y-37 for Miguel Quezada and his haplogroup seems to be a match to the los altos quezadas who tested on ftdna.

here's a potential birth record for Felipe, but i can't say with even 99% certainty that it is indeed his(i only consider this record a posible one is because there's a possbility felipe was born in los altos region since of las bocas):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NRRH-KH3

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Thank you, Katy, for both links. (And it's so great you got the Quesada paternal haplogroup.)

I transcribe the record of Felipe's possible baptismal record (image #512 of 523):

"En la Labor de Santa Lugarda(?) en cuatro dias del mes de marzo de mil seiscientos y sesenta y un años, Baptisé, Chatequisé y puse oleos y Chrisma a Felipe, español, hijo legítimo de Christoval de Quesada y de Ysabel de Alvarado, asistentes en la Labor de Miguel Sánchez. Fueron sus padrinos Diego Coronel y Catalina del Ang(el?) y para que conste lo firmé --"

(post edited because my autocorrect had changed Katy to Kathy)

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I just wanted to pop in here and say that I descend from Felipe and Maria, along with Maria Gertrudis, their daughter, and Felipe and Maria's son Manuel.

I've searched for Felipe's parents for many years, with no success. It's very likely that he came from somewhere else (maybe another part of Zacatecas or Aguascalientes, where there are other Quezadas), but without a marriage record for Felipe and Maria, we may be out of luck. There is always a chance that there is a record out there with more information, perhaps unindexed.

Katy and Erlinda are my cousins; my DNA is on Ancestry and FTDNA, but I use initials-- JJ for FTDNA and R Ruiz for Ancestry. If you'd like, we can exchange info to see how close our cousinship is. I always like to add a new cousin to the tree!

Rosalinda

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Hey Rosalinda! Yes, let's definitely exchange info. I also tested with Ancestry and FTDNA (mtDNA), but I also uploaded my data to GEDmatch, MyHeritage, LivingDNA... On Ancestry my username is the same as my handle here.

I just looked for you on my matches list, but I don't think I see you. Perhaps I match somebody else in your family? MQ and I, for example, share 60cM on FTDNA (it's probably like half of that because they are including under 5cM fragments in the total number which are probably IBC instead of IBD)...

I also descend from Gertrudis but via her son Florencio Enriquez who married Maria de Jesús Bañuelos de la Torre (daughter of Jacinto Dionisio Bañuelos Muñoz and Bartola Cipriana de la Torre y Haro).

Too bad about the lack of paper trail on Felipe's side. So many kids and still not one mention of the paternal grandparents. Lazy scribes they got...Hopefully there's a dispensa out there somewhere yet to be found.

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Fantastic, thank you so much! Looking forward to help you break a wall sometime, somewhere.

(I wasn't aware of the existence of Orta, but I'm adding all the information on this dispensa to my tree so I can better understand how the braid is further braided and figure out where else the paper trail connects him to Maria de la Torre, wife of Felipe Quezada.)

(Btw, Katy, I was looking around your entries on wikitree, and the name Miguel Quezada keeps popping up. I match someone with his name on GEDmatch, as well as a "MQ" and a "JQ" on Ancestry whose kits are managed by someone with your last name, so I guess he is/they are your family.)

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I just read the entire dispensa of Orta and Barragán. Mexican telenovelas got nothing on this bunch. Orta had to testify not only on his familial links to his bride but to his two previous wives and how the women were also related to each other!

Now I am also wondering also about two of the witnesses on the dispensa: Casimiro Olague de Etulain and Roque Jacinto de la Torre.

I've seen Casimiro listed in some trees as the husband of Rosa de la Torre y de la Torre, one of the sisters of Roque Jacinto de la Torre Valdez (the second witness in the dispensa).

Roque Jacinto and Rosa I have in my notes as children of Roque de la Torre y Valdez Haro and Juana de la Torre. (Roque Sr. I understand was the co-founder of Juanchorrey, and son of Alferez Diego de la Torre y Valdez Gamboa and Ana Francisca de Haro. On the other hand, Juana de la Torre I got down as daughter of Manuel de la Torre y Renteria and Josefa Gonzalez de Haro).

So, has anybody found anything about Casimiro (and Rosa)? In the jerezzacatecas blog, Rosa is listed as the mother of Isabel de la Torre who married Juan (de Dios Avila?) Carlos --which btw, is another bit of a confusing mess-- but there's no mention of Casimiro and I also haven't been able to locate any documents either way. Hope somebody around here can clarify.

Now on to looking for the other dispensas that Erlinda quoted from. Sunday entertainment!

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this is what I have:
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2nd cousin 10x removed of Chet Castanon
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baptism 24 March 1694 in Jerez, Zac
Casimirio Espanol no dob or city
parents: Joxxe de Olague and Antonia de Avila
godparents: Dona Juana de Gamvoa
source: 439844 film
page 152 Family search online
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witness on marriage dispensation 1754 in Jerez, Zac
Don Casimiro Olague de Etulain Espanol from hacienda de Guejote age 56
page 124 Familysearch online
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Don Casimiro Olague de Etulain born abt 1698 native of Jerez, Zac
was Alcalde ordinario of Jerez, Zac in 1762
and was a witness at the marriage information for Manuel de Avila and Casimira Rosalia Llanos y Valdes
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for their children I have:
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marriage dispensation 4th degree between wives
Trunk Unknown... (Rosa de la Torre)
Felipa de la Torre....Ysabel de la Torre.. 1st degree
Josefa Camacho........Juana Carlos...2nd degree
Antonia Herrera.......Claudia Correa... 3rd degree
Calletana Lopez.......Ma. San Marcos Carlos
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marriage dispensation 4th degree
Trunk..Dona Rosa de la Torre
Dona Ysabel de la Torre.....Felipa de Olague.. half sister
Dona Juana Carlos...........Ma. Carmen Camacho..2nd
Dona Ma. Romana Correa......Ma. Josefa Orosco...3rd degree
Don Juan Nepomuceno Nava....Ma. Refugio Alvarez
marriage dispensation granted 15 April 1818 in Jerez, Zac
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marriage 21 June 1716 in Jerez, Zac
Georgue de Olague Espanol
widower of Dona Antonia de Avila
with Dona Francisca Luariana/Luciana? Pacheco de Salas
parents: Juan Pacheco de Quero deceased and Maria Fernandes de Salas all Criollos (natives) of district of Jerez
all criollos of district of Jerez
source: 440059 film
page 67 Family search online
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page 209 Family search online
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Don George de Olague Atulain was owner of hacienda de Huejote (Quexote)
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Don George de Olague Atulain was owner of la Canada, Jerez, Zac
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child of George:

marriage 23 April 1713 in Jerez, Zac
Francisco de Avila Espanol
parents: Juan de Avila Caldera and Dona Antonia de la Torre
with Sebastiana de Olague
widow of Nicolas Dena
witness: el Capitan George de Olague, Miguel Alvares de Quinones, Juan Medrano and many others
marriage dispensation 3rd degree consanguinidad
source: 0440059 Jerez, Zac marriage
page 10 Family search online
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marriage dispensation requested Febrero 13 de 1713 in Xerez, Zac
Dispensa de tercero con cuarto grado de consanguinidad -
Francisco Dávila Caldera, de 25 años de edad, hijo legítimo del
Cap. Juan Dávila Caldera y de Doña Antonia de la Torre, españoles, vecinos y originarios de este feligresía de la Villa de Xerez;
with: Sebastiana de Olague. española mayor de 20 años de edad, hija natural de Jorge de Olague. y viuda de Nicolás Dena. Declaración del Cap. Don Miguel Alvarez de Quiñones, de 48 años de
edad:
Juan de la Torre y Diego de la Torre, fueron hermanos, y Juan tuvo por hija a Doña Juana de Gamboa, y éste a Jorge de Olague, y Jorge a Sebastiana de Olague, pretensa, y Diego de la Torre, tuvo por hija a Doña Antonia de la Torre, madre del pretenso.
Se otorgó la dispensa en la Ciudad de Guadalajara. en 25 de marzo de 1713. 10 fojas.
source: sagrada mitra record # 496 - 167983 film
page 92 Familysearch online program
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marriage dispensation 3rd degree in 4th degree
Trunk.. Juan de la Torre and Juana Gamboa Villalobos
Juan de la Torre... ........Diego de la Torre..1st degree
Juana d. l. Torre Gamboa....Antonia de la Torre2nd degree
Jorge Olague................Francisco Davila Caldera.3rd degree
Sebastiana Olague ..........4th degree
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baptism 12 Oct 1699 in Jerez, Zac
Miguel Espanol no dob or city
parents: Xorge de Olague and Antonia de Abila
godparents: Juan de Olague and Ysabel de Luna
source: 439844 film
page 232 Family search online
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marriage 10 Sept 1721 in Jerez, Zac
Miguel de Olague Espanol from Jerez
parents: el Capitan Don George de Olague and Dona Antonia de Avila
with Dona Maria Hipolita Garcia de la Cadena Espanola from the district of Jerez
parents: Don Andres Garcia de la Cadena and Dona Maria del Rio y Losa
source: 440059 film
page 166 Family search online
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appeared as witness in the dispensation of Manuel de Avila and Rosalia Valdes in 1762
Don Miguel Olague de Etulain age 62 from Jerez
Alcalde originario que asido en ella en segundo y primero voto
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marriage dispensation 3rd degree igual
Trunk....Miguel de Olague and Juana de la Torre
Leonor de Olague.... ......Agueda de Olague.. siblings 1st degree
Angela Ortiz...............Francisco Chavez Banuelos..2nd
Christoval Villavicencio...Gertrudis Chavez Banuelos.. 3rd
source: sagrada mitra 167989
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I have George Olague Etulain and Juana Cid Caldera as parents of Miguel but did not put the link in the record..
I also have Miguel Olague and Francisca Doria (Garay) as parents of George but again no verification as to how I got that information

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JQ is my maternal grandpa(he shows up as Jose Manuel Quesada on gedmatch), and mq is said grandpa's uncle miguel(under the name miguel Quezada on gedmatch).I share an ancestry account with my dad Gene.
i descend from 3 of felipe and maria's children(thru my maternal grandpa): Manuel, gertrudis, and diego. I should also add that juan de la torre and maria clara chavez y banuelos are second cousins

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Wow, that's a whole lot of Quezada/Quesada, Katy. As far as I know, Gertrudis is the only kid of Felipe and Maria that I descend from, so it's helpful to locate the specific chromosomal fragments I share with your grandpa and granduncle because those might be what we inherited specifically from either Gertrudis or Felipe: I have a 7cM triangulated match with both Miguel and Jose Manuel on chromosome 9 and then 11cM+ with your grandpa also on chromosome 12 and with Miguel on chromosome 6. But I'll take a closer look at their trees to see where else we intersect (surely in at least a few other lines, given the endogamy in the region).

You are so lucky that you were able to test so high up on your tree. The highest I can get now on my maternal side is an aunt because neither my grandparents nor my mom are around anymore. It was my mom's recent passing, btw, which flung me into genealogical research.

Anyway, I hope the names of the parents of Felipe Quezada pop up somewhere soon. Perhaps with the help of the Quezada paternal haplogpup? I got a similar situation with my second last name (my maternal grandpa's last name). It is Sánchez and it also comes from the Zacatecas side. I hit the same kind of wall with the parents of Blas Sánchez (husband of Desideria Carlos, daughter of Antonio Justo Carlos de Godoy and Rita Laureana Llanos y Valdez). He might've been a Sánchez Castellanos, but as Erlinda said: with no marriage record or any birth record of their kids listing paternal grandparents, there might not be a way to tell. And I got no male Sánchez in my midst to test...

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Let's see if I got this straight by just looking at my tree:

Maria Clara Chavez y Bañuelos is the daughter of Isabel de Soto y Almeida and Juan José Chavez de Bañuelos. Juan José is son of Pedro Chavez y Bañuelos and Quiteria Gamboa (/Guzman?).

Juan de la Torre is the son of Angela Velasco Renteria y Mojica (daughter of Sancho and Agueda del Rio y Loza) and Juan del Campo y de la Torre, who is the son of Juan del Campo and Juana Gamboa, the sister of Clara's grandmother Quiteria, right?

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husband of 1st cousin 12x removed of Chet Castanon
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ID: I12946
Name: Jose de Chavez
Sex: M
Event: Tree Trunk 1640
Birth: ABT 1640
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File: C:\Users\JoseCarlos\Documents\Family Tree Maker\De Leon & Carlos Family Tree 2014(1) Media\Jose de Chavez Tree Trunk recordimage 3.jpg
Title: Jose de Chavez Tree Trunk record-image (3)
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Marriage 1 Leonor de Chavez b: ABT 1641
Children
Has Children Maria Clara de Chavez b: ABT 1670 in Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas, Mexico
Has Children Jose de Chavez b: ABT 1660 in Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
information shared by Jose Carlo de Leon
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marriage dispensation 4th degree igual
trunk...Jose Chaves and Leonor Chaves Banuelos
Don Jph de Chabes.........Dona Clara Chabes.. 1st
Dona Maria de Chabes......Dona Andrea de la Torre.. 2nd
Dona Francisca Mayorga....Dona Luisa del Muro.. 3rd
Don Prudencio de Leon.....Dona M. Jpha de Santiago.. 4th
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marriage dispensation 3rd degree
Tunk...Juan Chavez Banuelos and Ysabel Soto Almieda
Maria Chavez............Josefa Chavez.. siblings 1st degree
Matiana de la Torre.....Marcos Sanchez... 2nd
Juan Ultrera............Teresa Sanchez.....3rd
source: 168375 sagrada mitra dispensation
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take your pick!
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First question, Erlinda:
Where did the name Leonor Chávez come from? I don’t see it anywhere on that dispensa (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-X45Y-F?cc=1874591&wc=3J48-…). The trunk only has “Jph de Chabes” at the top. I just reread the whole thing. Did I miss it? Or is there a marriage record between this Joseph de Chavez and a Leonor de Chavez? Where did Jose Carlo de León get that information?

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Jose, can you share the link to the record you shared?

we have a question for you.. where did this record come from?
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ID: I12946
Name: Jose de Chavez
Sex: M
Event: Tree Trunk 1640
Birth: ABT 1640
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File: C:\Users\JoseCarlos\Documents\Family Tree Maker\De Leon & Carlos Family Tree 2014(1) Media\Jose de Chavez Tree Trunk recordimage 3.jpg
Title: Jose de Chavez Tree Trunk record-image (3)
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Marriage 1 Leonor de Chavez b: ABT 1641
Children
Has Children Maria Clara de Chavez b: ABT 1670 in Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas, Mexico
Has Children Jose de Chavez b: ABT 1660 in Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
information shared by Jose Carlo de Leon
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marriage dispensation 4th degree igual
trunk...Jose Chaves and Leonor Chaves Banuelos
Don Jph de Chabes............Dona Clara Chabes.. 1st
Dona Maria de Chabes......Dona Andrea de la Torre.. 2nd
Dona Francisca Mayorga...Dona Luisa del Muro.. 3rd
Don Prudencio de Leon......Dona M. Jpha de Santiago.. 4th
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Ok, I see now where the name Leonor comes from.

In the dispensa of Miguel de Mayorga and Maria de Chávez Carlos, this is the trunk that is presented
Pedro de Chávez y Bañuelos and Quiteria Gamboa
Luisa de Chávez ….. …1….. Leonor de Chávez (sisters)
Nicolas de Mayorga ……2……..Joseph de Chávez
Miguel de Mayorga …….3………Maria de Chávez Carlos

Miguel de Mayorga and Maria de Chávez Carlos are the parents of Francisca Mayorga, mother of Prudencio de León.
Prudencio married Maria Joseph’s de Santiago, the daughter of Luisa del Muro, granddaughter of Andrea de la Torre, great-granddaughter of our Clara. So yep, our Clara is daughter of Leonor, not Isabel de Soto y Almeida. Maria and Clara are two different people who seem to be related between them. Perhaps cousins? Is it possible that Captain Juan de la Torre Valdes married the two cousins? New theory.

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the dispensation claiming leonor chavez and jose chavez got married and had kids probably had an error in it since it conflicts with older dispensa with miguel mayorga. it seems that leonor and juan jose are siblings and leonor had a natural son named jose. not sure who the bio father was but leonor must have died when her son was young and he was raised by his uncle.
I had a discussion with manuel dominguez on wikitree about this and we came to the conclusion that what i stated above is the most likely reason why the dispensas conflict with each other

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Hey Katy and Erlinda,

Do you know which dispensa specifically claims that Leonor and Joseph Chávez married each other?

The way that I came to the conclusion that our Clara is daughter of Leonor de Chavez and Joseph de Chavez Sr. was by combining ONLY the Miguel de Mayorga/Maria Chavez Carlos dispensa with the Prudencio de Leon/Maria Josefa de Santiago one. I traced the relationships on paper to try to understand using exclusively the info posted on those two. I don’t think they contradicted each other at all, but rather complemented each other, but will check again to be sure. The only thing they contradicted was the info of Isabel Soto as Clara’s mom. But perhaps there is another dispensa that clearly contradicts the info on Mayorga/Chavez Carlos and the de Leon/de Santiago ones (other than the bunch that have "Maria" de Chavez instead of Clara as daughter of Isabel?

Rosalinda and I have been looking through all the dispensas of the descendants of this bunch, making notes and trying to make sense out of all of this. We are clearly still missing some, so perhaps we can collectively make a list of all of the ones we find and share it here with links so we can all reference the same material?

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like i said earlier, the 1770's dispensation most likely mistakenly assumed clara and jose were siblings but were actually first cousins. i can came to that conclusion based on both those records and other dispsantions listing maria clara's dad and juan jose chavez y banuelos and linking her as a sister of josefa chavez.
First i'll share the link to the dispensation that refers to clara as maria clara chavez https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-897B-B45W?i=91&cc=1937…

here's some other marriage dispensations
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6R92-J2?i=405&cc=18745…

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6YZT-W?cc=1874591

this one below links josefa as sister to pedro who married agueda del rio.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-X4SJ-4D?i=183&cc=18745…

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Thank you so much for these links, Katy. Also, a shout out to Erlinda who has been directing us to many others.

Rosalinda and I are looking through these and all the rest of the related dispensas, many for the second or third time over, and we are working together on a document that contains all the links, trunks and other relevant information of each one of them. We currently have an alternate theory which we will explain if we believe all these documents confirm it, but either way, we will soon post all the info on this thread.

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So I am back to looking through the dispensas of the descendants of the de la Torre sisters. It's clear that Maria, Antonia, Francisca, Andrea and Magdalena are siblings because they are documented together on multiple trunks of all the dispensas that Erlinda shared. My question is about the Orta/Barragan dispensa that Katy posted: is there another document that would either link Maria or Antonia or Francisca or Andrea or Magdalena with Augustina de la Torre, the mother of Felipe Santiago Orta? Because from what I can gather, this dispensa is the only one that links Juan de la Torre (husband of Clara Chavez) to Juan del Campo de la Torre and Angela Velasco Moxica. Thing is, the Maria de la Torre mentioned in that Orta/Barragan dispensa is not the daughter of Juan de la Torre and Clara Chavez and wife of Felipe Quezada, but is the daughter of Sebastian de la Torre and the wife of Pablo Barragán...
Please somebody tell me I am simply missing a piece of the puzzle and not that Augustina is not a sister to all of the rest...

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I think clara's full name was Maria Clara de chavez y banuelos. there are several dispensations indicating that her parents are juan jose chavez y banuelos and isabel soto almeida. some dispensations call her maria, others call her clara. but i recall coming accross one record that called her maria clara chavez(can't remember which one, i haven't inputted all records related to her yet on wikitree. also the maria de la torre mentioned in orta/barragan dispensation is a cousin of our ancestor maria de la torre

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is this the Sebastian you are talking about ?

marriage dispensation 4th degree igual
Trunk...Juan de la Torre and Leonor Ortiz Villalobos
Juana de la Torre................Quiteria Gamboa..1st degree
Sebastian de la Torre.........Luisa Chavez..2nd
Ma. de la Torre.....................Nicolas Chavez..3rd
Diego Martinez Barragan..Maria Mayorga Chavez..4th
source: 168359 Sagrada Mitra film
page 431 Familysearch online
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I also have Maria de la Torre daughter of Sebastian de la Torre and her husband Joseph Martinez Barragan with a son Pablo married to Felipe Escobedo Carlos de Godoy..

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the record reads:
witness: Don Roque de la Torre Espanol from his hacienda de Lechuguilla age 56
Trunk Don Juan de la Torre and Dona Juana Gamboa
son Don Sebastian de la Torre and wife Ana del Rio
parents of Dona Maria de la Torre married to Don Joseph Barragan
parents of Don Pablo Martinez de Barragan married to Phelipa de Escovedo
parents of Dona Antonia de Dolores Barragan.. bride
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son Don Juan de la Torre married to Dona Angela Velasco Moxica
parents of Don Juan de la Torre married to Maria Chabes Banuelos
parents of Dona Augustina de la Torre married to Don Andres de Orta
parents of Don Phelipe Santiago de Orta.. groom
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marriage dispensation 4th degree
Trunk.....Capt. Juan de la Torre and Juana Gamboa
Juan de la Torre..........Sebastian de la Torre .. 1st
Juan de la Torre..........Maria de la Torre........2nd
Augustina de la Torre…....Pablo Martinez Barragan..3rd
Santiago Orta.............Antonia Barragan.........4th degree
source: 168375 Sagrada Mitra dispensation
page 121 Familysearch online
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Hey Erlinda, hey Katy. Thank you both for replying.

Erlinda: sorry, I meant Santiago de Orta. Not Sebastian. The one in the last dispensa you posted in your more recent message.
Felipe Santiago de Orta, son of Augustina de la Torre and Andres de Orta y Cuellar who first married his cousin Andrea Miranda (there’s also a dispensa), then Juana Carlos and then Antonia Barragán.

Btw, before I forget: the marriage date of our Juan de la Torre Valdés and Clara de Chávez is 10 feb 1684 (found on Arturo Ramos’ Tlaltenango book thanks to Rosalinda and Nefi A.).

I guess I am trying to confirm without any doubt that Augustina, Mathiana and Diego are indeed siblings of Maria, Andrea, Antonia, Francisca, Magdalena and Agustin. I mean, it makes sense that they are, but Rosalinda and I have not been able to triangúlate dispensas between the two groups of siblings yet.

What is a good sign, I guess, is that both Augustina and Maria both are registered in some documents as de la Torre Valdés like Juan in his marriage record with Clara. And that’s also the name of the Juan married to Juana Gamboa, who is listed as the paternal grandfather of Augustina in the Orta-Barragán dispensa. Our Juan is also called Capitan as is the Juan son of Angela Velasco Moxica.

Edit: ah! As I was posting this message, Erlinda added more dispensas to the mix. Will comment on my next reply.

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I have this...
1st cousin 11x removed of Chet Castanon (My Father)
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marriage dispensation 3rd degree in 4th degree
Trunk....Don Juan de la Torre
Magdalena de la Torre...Antonia de la Torre.. sisters 1st
Antonio de Robles.......Juan de Velasco.. 2nd
Ylario de Robles........Gertrudis de Velasco.. 3rd
.........................Ma. Cresencia Sanchez.. 4th
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marriage dispensation 4th degree
Trunk....Juan de la Torre...
Andrea de la Torre.........Maria de la Torre....1st degree
Luisa del Muro.............Gertrudis Quesada..2nd degree
Felipe de Santiago.........Petra Henrriquez.....3rd degree
Juan Jose de Santiago......Ma. Josefa Ortis.....4th degree
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marriage dispensation 3rd degree
Trunk.. Don Juan de la Torre and (Clara Chavez)
Andrea de la Torre.......Antonia de la Torre.. sisters 1st
Ma. Lusia del Muro.......Juan Velasco... 2nd
Juan Felipe Santiago.....Francisca Velasco.. 3rd
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marriage dispensation 4th degree
Trunk....Don Juan de la Torre and Clara Chavez
Dona Antonia de la Torre....Dona Andrea de la Torre.. sisters 1st
Dona Ma. Corona Velasco.....Dona Ma. Luisa del Muro.. 2nd
Dona Ma. Lus de Nava........Don Felipe de Santiago.. 3rd
Dona Soledad Perez..........Don Ricardo Santiago.. 4th
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marriage dispensation 4th degree
Trunk... Don Juan de la Torre
Maria de la Torre....Magdalena de la Torre.. sisters 1st
Gertrudis Quezada....Agustina Robles.. 2nd
Petra Enrriques......Narcizo Gonsales.. 3rd
Ma. Justa Ortis......J. Antonio Gonsales.. 4th
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marriage dispensation 4th degree
Trunk.... Don Juan de la Torre
Dna. Antonia de la Torre.....Dna. Magdalena de la Torre.. 1st
Dn. Juan de Velazco..........Dna. Agustina de Robles.. 2nd
Dna. Ma. Jpha de Velazco.....Dna. Ma. Corona Gonzales.. 3rd
Don Andres de Palos..........Dna. Ma. Victoriana Gonzales.. 4th
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Question?

Did Maria de la torre have a ranch in colotlan with the same name rancho maria de la torre?

I have some madera an ancestors that were there at that ranch during early 1700's

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I don't know, but now that I have it in my radar, I'll let you know if I find anything.

p.s. I should've proofread my post before hitting save/enter. I mean to obviously say that they lived in Colotlan and they both died there in the 1730s. Maria was born around 1691 and died in 1731. Felipe passed away in 1737.

What I find interesting that it seems like they started out in Colotlan (where they had their kid Diego) then went to Huejucar and then moved to Tlaltenango and then settled back in Colotlan. Gertrudis Quezada, their daughter who is my ancestor, was born in Las Bocas around 1709 (she got married to Antonio Enriquez in Colotlan, though). Felipe and Maria had two kids born in Tlaltenango in the 1710s (Domingo and Manuel) and then the rest in Colotlan.

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I don't know, but now that I have it in my radar, I'll let you know if I find anything.

p.s. I should've proofread my post before hitting save/enter. I mean to obviously say that they lived in Colotlan and they both died there in the 1730s. Maria was born around 1691 and died in 1731. Felix passed away in 1737.

What I find interesting that it seems like they started out in Colotlan (where they had their kid Diego) then went to Huejucar and then moved to Tlaltenango and then settled back in Colotlan. Gertrudis Quezada, their daughter who is my ancestor, was born in Las Bocas around 1709 (she got married to Antonio Enriquez in Colotlan, though). Felipe and Maria had two kids born in Tlaltenango in the 1710s (Domingo and Manuel) and then the rest in Colotlan.

Location help

Hola,

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Anselmo,

It turns out that we do have some common ancestors.

I am related to you through Fermin A. Apecechea’s first wife, Maria Gertrudis Justa Flores y Garcia, who is the mother of Manuel Apecechea.

I descend from a third cousin of Maria Gertrudis Justa Flores y Garcia. There are also other common ancestral lines.

1)- Licenciado- Doctor Ginés de Mercado m. Ines de Vasquez

2)- Conquistador - capitán don Ginés Vázquez de Mercado an Ana Vasquez de Tapia (daughter of Bernardino Vázquez de Tapia)

3)- Ana Vázquez del Mercado y Tapia and Mateo del Rio de la Losa

4)- María del Rio y Losa and Andrés García de la Cadena

5)- *******Felipe Garcia de la Cadena

*******Felipe de Jesus (#6) is listed as a descendant of María del Rio y Losa and Andrés García de la Cadena and the Felipe Garcia de Cadena that is married to Bernardina Tello de Orozco is listed as a son of Andres Garcia de la Cadena, so it is highly likely that the two Felipe’s are the same person and he has two marriages.

- Felipe de Jesús García de la Cadena m. María Josefa López de Vargas. (Felipe de Jesus and Maria Josefa also have a son named Felipe Garcia de la Cadena, and another son named Bernardo.

6)- Antonia Victoria García de la Cadena, b. 1732 m. 1752 Manuel Flores Correa b. 1729

7)-María Gertrudis Justa Flores Correa y García de la Cadena, b. 1753 in Pánuco, Zacatecas, Mexico. m. 1782 Fermin Antonio Apecechea b. 1751.

8)- Manuel José Antonio Tomas Apezechea Flores Correa, b.14June1786. And Francisca Murillo (Morillo) (not married)

9)- Matias Apecechea b. ca 1811 m. 8/March/1833 Isidora Ruelas (daughter of Jose Ruelas and Victoriana de Ledesma

10)- Santiago de Apecechea b. ca 1840, d. 6/April/1892.

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1)- Juan Martinez de Correa and Juana

2)- Juana Correa, m. 29 Aug 1708 m. 29 Aug 1708 Pedro Flores Bustos c. 17/July/1673 (son of Mathias Flores and Ana de Bustos)

3)- Manuel Flores Correa b. 1729 m.1752 Antonia Victoria García de la Cadena, b. 1732 (daughter of Felipe de Jesús García de la Cadena y doña María Josefa López de Vargas)

4)- María Gertrudis Justa Flores Correa y García de la Cadena, b. 1753 in Pánuco, Zacatecas, Mexico. m. 1782 Fermin Antonio Apecechea b. 1751.

5)- Manuel José Antonio Tomas Apezechea Flores Correa, b.14June1786. And Francisca Murillo (Morillo) (not married)

6)- Matias Apecechea b. ca 1811 m. 8/March/1833 Isidora Ruelas (daughter of Jose Ruelas and Victoriana de Ledesma

7)- Santiago de Apecechea b. ca 1840, d. 6/April/1892.

Thanks,

Rick A. Ricci
Source: Mygenes2000

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Dear Anselmo,

I am curious as to your descent from the Apecechea family. Do you descend from Julio Apecechea and Maximiana Tamayo? They had few children as they both passed away at a relatively young age. Julio Apecechea was only forty years old when he passed away and his record identifies him as a widower.

https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

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I am related through Santiago Apecechea & Cirila Perez. Julio Apecechea is his son but I believe his mother was Dionosia Pineda Both La Yesca & Hostotipaquillo were known for their mines.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GY3T-G4?i=543

I am interested because the name is so unique & easily researchable. What is yours?

Best,

Anselmo

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Anselmo,

I do not descend from the Apecechea family, but like you, I did find the name to be an interesting one to research. You called it “easily researchable” yet I think that what made this research easier was the collaboration. You found two key pieces that uncovered two different puzzles. The first piece that you found was Matias Apecechea’s third marriage that named his father. In all the other records, only his mother is named and he is called “hijo natural”. The second important puzzle piece that you found was that Fermin had also come over to Mexico as I only had his brother coming over. Since Fermin died in Spain, I had previously assumed that he had lived there all his life. Once you found that Fermin had come to Mexico, I was able to research his family here in Mexico and discover that his son Manuel was the “Manuel”we were looking for as father of Matias Apecechea.

There are still a few unanswered questions though. We already know that Fermin and Matias had multiple marriages, but the question remains regarding how many wives/relationships did Santiago have. It seems that he may have had children with four women. Back then many women died giving birth so it was common for men to end up having multiple wives/relationships. Santiago’s death record names him as a widower, but only names his parents.

In an earlier post I mistakenly wrote that I was surprised that Santiago married so soon after his wife’s passing. That was an error. The person that I was surprised about was Matias, Santiago’s father. I believe that Santiago may only have been married once and that was to Saturnina Gonzalez. It seems that all the other children that Santiago had are “hijos naturales”. The children that Santiago procreated with Dionicia Pineda and Severiana Miramontes are “hijos naturales”.

Pascual Apecechea is the legitimate son of Santiago Apecechea and Saturnina González. ( There are two records regarding Pascual’s marriage to Mariana Hernández. In one record his mother is named as what looks to be be Agustina Gonzalez. In the other record it is clear that his mother’s name is given as Saturnina Gonzalez ( daughter of Jose Deciderio Gonzales López and Maria Bernardina Nuñez Bañuelos. I was able to build a family tree up to Saturnina’s great grandparents, with leads that show promise to go even further back.)

Pascual Apecechea González m. 17/Aug/1887 Mariana Hernández

Ramona Apecechea is the daughter of Santiago Apecechea and Severiana Miramontes.

Ramona Apecechea Miramontes m. José Refugio López González and they are the parents of Maria Eleuterio López Apecechea c. 24/Feb/1889 in La Yesca, Nayarit.

Julio Apecechea is “hijo natural” of Santiago Apecechea and Dionicia Pineda.

Julio had at least two wives, Maximiana Tamayo, and Elena Avalos and had a third relationship where he had a child out of wedlock “hija adulterina” named Marciana Apecechea with Hemenegilda Ledesma.

I would like to see the record that names Cirila Perez in order to add her to the other women that had children with Santiago Apecechea. Santiago Apecechea did have a grandchild named Sirila, through his son Julio. Santiago also had a son named Cirilo Apecechea.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

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Sure. Once i get back from holiday i will post the links i have. I am hoping to get to hostotipaquillo & la yesca.

Best,
Anselmo

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Anselmo,

I found Fermin Antonio Apecechea’s will.

I have never been to hostotipaquillo & la yesca. Are they still mining towns?

Have fun exploring, and thanks,

Rick A. Ricci

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Hello Rick,

I am back. I went to Hosto & La Yesca. i asked around for the Apecechea family, but no one had heard that name in Hosto. There was a Chinese company doing some mining a couple of years ago but I have not heard of any recent minings. I know there was talk of mining in La Yesca but nothing has come of it.
Here is my connection to the Apecechea family:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-3X98-HP?i=601&wc=M647-…

This would make Santiago my 3x great grandfather. He had various wives. Including Cirila Perez, he also married Severiana Miramontes, Gertrudes Ledesma & Dionicia Pineda. For Matias, i have records for (A)polonia Gonzalez, Isidora Ruelas, Maria Isidora Ledesma (same as Ruelas?), & Josefa Haro.
Matias had other children including Justo Apecechea Gonzalez & Dominga Apecechea Ruelas. There was one other but she died 5 days later.

Would it be possible to send the link confirming Manuel is Fermin's son. I would like to add it to my records. I wonder if Fermin mentioned Manuel is his will?

Best!
A

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Fermin Antonio Apecechea returned to Spain in 1822. He passed away on 17/June/1834 in Cadiz, Andalucia, Spain. There is a street named after him, “Calle Fermin Antonio Apecechea” in Goizueta.

Fermin Antonio Apecechea returned to his beloved Spain. He was famous for many reasons, his work in mines, his government posts, the honors bestowed on him and his philanthropy for the provision of music education to children.

Rick A. Ricci
Mygenes2000

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Pascual Ygnacio Eugenio Apecechea and Fermin Antonio Apecechea have a sister named “María Feliciana Romana Apecechea Flores Correa”.

María Feliciana Romana Apecechea Flores Correa is an ancestor of:

María del Rosario Jiménez Ruiz,VI Marquesa de Santa Rosa De Lima. She was born in 1989 in Madrid. Maria del Rosario was named after her maternal grandmother who was married to a “ Magistrado del Tribunal Supremo Español.” María del Rosario’s parents were first cousins, both of them descendants of Maria Feliciana Romana Apecechea Flores Correa.

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I believe that Santiago Apecechea was born in Nayarit, and not in Zacatecas. His parents lived in Nayarit at the time of his birth. It is possible that his father may have been born in Zacatecas, The “Apecechea” had arrived from Spain the century before from Spain. The Apecechea first arrived in Mexico City in the 1700’s. From Mexico City, the family branched out to Guanajuato and other areas, like Nayarit.
Santiago Apecechea married almost immediately after his first wife’s death, which I found surprising.

Rick A. Ricci

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Thank you. I appreciate your help. This will help me immensely.

Saludos!

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Saludos Andelmo,

I forgot to add that Matias Apecechea’s wife, Isidora Ruelas, is the daughter of Jose Ruelas and Victoriana Ledesma.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

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I appreciate the info. You know your stuff.

Regards,

Anselmo

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Apecechea

Saludos,

Here is some more information on the roots of the Apecechea family.

Pascual Ygnacio Eugenio Apecechea was baptized on 2/July/1751 in Goizueta Navarra Spain.

His parents are Ygnacio Apecechea and María Josepha de Arrieta

His paternal grandparents are Pedro Apecechea and Ana María de Echenique.

His maternal grandparents are Pedro de Arrieta and Emerenciana Juantorena.

Pascual Ygnacio Eugenio Apecechea crossed the Atlantic Ocean and brought the Apecechea surname to Mexico. Since this surname came over after mid eighteenth century, the surname is not as common in Mexico as are other surnames.

You will find that the names Ygnacio, Pedro, and Pascual are common names in the Apecechea family tree in Mexico.

Because of the time frame, Matias Apecechea is a close descendant of Pascual Ygnacio Eugenio Apecechea de Arrieta. Matias could be his grandson or great-grandson. Son would be a tight fit, possible, but unlikely. Since Matias is a “hijo natural” we may not find records identifying exactly how he descends from Pascual Ygnacio Eugenio Apecechea.

Pascual Ygnacio Eugenio Apecechea Was married twice, to Ma. Ygnacia Itsurria. They had many children and they were baptized in Mexico City. Some of his children went to Nuevo León and married there. From there they most likely spread to Zacatecas and Nayarit.

Rick A. Ricci
Mygenes2000

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Did you use the Pares database for this information? I have tried using Pares but I have had no luck.

Anselmo

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Rick,

i don't know if you have an interest in the Apecechea family. I found this UNAM paper on Pascual, and I found out his brother, Fermín, also settled in Zacatecas, México.

Los orígenes
Pascual Ignacio Eugenio Apezechea Arrieta nació en la montañosa y pequeña villa de Goizueta, en Navarra, en 1751; fue el tercero de ocho hermanos. Su biografía ha sido en cierto sentido eclipsada por la de su más notorio hermano menor, Fermín, quien pasó a la Nueva España en 1777 y logró insertarse muy exitosamente en la ciudad de Zacatecas, por entonces un importante reducto de la colonización vizcaína. Con una combinación de nexos de paisanaje, un buen matrimonio y habilidades personales invirtió en la minería (en La Quebradilla, una empresa que llegó a ser muy próspera). Fue alcalde ordinario de primer voto del ayuntamiento de Zacatecas, representante o “diputado” de los mineros y consultor del Tribunal de Minería, además de dueño de varias haciendas.

Just FYI,

Anselmo

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Great work Anselmo,

I had not known that Fermin had also come to Mexico. That was the missing piece in this puzzle.

Manuel Apecechea is the son of Fermin Jose Apecechea, and nephew of Pascual Ignacio Eugenio Apecechea.

“ Manuel José Antonio Tomas Apecechea Flores Correa, nacido en México el 14 de Junio de 1786.”

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1)- Juan de Apecechea b. ca 1570 m. Maria de Espolosin b. ca 1570 , d. 8/Feb/1635

2)- Pedro de Apecechea c. 29/Jun/1603 m. 6/March/1628 Graciana Alzuri c. 31/Jan/1610,

3)- Jóanes Apecechea Alzuri c. 18/Mar/1629 m. 3/Aug/1663 Juana Onsari

4)- Pedro Apecechea c. 28/Mar/1677m. Ana María de Echenique.

5)- Francisco Ygnacio Apecechea m. 30/Nov/1745 María Josepha de Arrieta

6)- Fermin Antonio Apecechea Arrieta b. 24/July/1755 immigrated in 1777. Fermin married as his first wife María Gertrudis Justa Flores Correa y García de la Cadena, b. 1753 in México.

7)- Manuel José Antonio Tomas Apecechea Flores Correa, b. 14/June/1786. And Francisca Murillo (Morillo) (not married)

8)- Matias Apecechea b. ca 1811 m. 8/March/1833 Isidora Ruelas (daughter of Jose Ruelas and Victoriana de Ledesma

9)- Santiago de Apecechea b. ca 1840, d. 6/April/1892.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
Mygenes2000

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Matias Apecechea and Isidora Ruelas are the parents of Santiago Apecechea. Santiago was approximately 51 years old according to his death record in 6/Apr/1892.

Matias and Isidora were married on 8/March/1833. Matias was previously married to Polonia Gonzalez. Matias Apecechea is “hijo natural” de Francisca Murillo.

There was a VillaNueva in what is now “Los Altos de Jalisco.”

Ignacio Apecechea was originally from Goizueta, Navarrra España before he came to Nueva Galicia. It will be difficult, though not impossible, to connect Matias Apecechea to Ygnacio Apecechea because Matias was a “hijo natural.”. Ygnacio is most likely his grandfather or great grandfather.

Rick A. Ricci

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Great Find Anselmo! Great that you found Matias’s third marriage. In Matias’s first two marriages, his father, Manuel Apecechea, is not named.

Because of the dates involved, it does seem likely that Manuel Apecechea is the son of Pascual Ygnacio Eugenio Apecechea de Arrieta. But I say likely, as Pascual Ygnacio Eugenio could have had a child as a young teenager, and that child could also have had a child as a young teenager, and then Manuel himself fathering Matias at a young age. which would make Manuel a grand child. But I am just stating a slight possibility, as it is most likely that Manuel is his son. You were very lucky to find the name of Matias’s father since only his mother was named in the records of his first two marriages where he is described as being illegitimate. Hopefully some of that luck will carry over and we find a record showing Manuel’s descent from Pascual Ygnacio Eugenio Apecechea de Arrieta. I do have more information on the ancestry of Pascual Ygnacio Eugenio Apecechea de Arrieta.

Thanks,

Rick A. Ricci

Aguilar / Cedillo

Hi my name is Anna Lopez Castro, and I have been searching for information on my Grandmothers parents for several years now, and this is my last stop.

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Hello Anna,

I believe that I may have found Otilia Cedillo’s family. However, I need more information to verify that they are the same person. Was your Otilia Cedillo born in 1910? Do you have any other information that will help identify her?

Please add information on Otilia’s children so that I can compare the information with what I have found.

A key piece of information that will help identify which Otilia Cepeda is your great grandmother is to know the birthdate of your grandmother, Irene Jenny Aguilar Lopez.

Thanks, Rick A. Ricci

Los Fernández de Sevilla

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¿Será la misma persona el Gonzalo Fernández de Sevilla que testó el 26 de junio de 1515 y que era judío reconciliado? Su esposa era la Isabel Suárez (diferente a Constanza Diaz de Villalobos) y tenían por lo menos seis hijos: Beatriz Suárez*, Juan Fernández, Fernando Suárez, Leonor Suárez, Ines Suárez, y Luisa Fernández.

Fernández was given penance of 47,080 maravedis. Sometimes the Inquisition would give a financial penalty as penance, but the reconciled person could not count on the Inquisition accepting it. "Esto es lo que le debió de occurir al mercader Gonzalo Fernández, vecino de la colacion de San Bartolome. Harto ya de ser mareado con moratorias, Fernández presentó el 7 de abril de 1515 por medio de escribano a Villacís una carta misiva que el Consejo de la Inquisicion le habia dirigido al receptor, ordenandole que tomara al mercader 47.080 mrs. en cuenta de pago de su penitencia. Villacís se limitó a decir que respondería; parece que la carta tajante del Consejo no le daba ya resquicio para zafarse de considerar pagados los famosos 47.080 mrs., mas no hay que subestimar a Villacís, un zorro viejo que se las sabía todas."
He sent merchandise to Hispaniola consigned to Bernardo de Jerez, who at Gonzalo's death owed him certain monies.
Don Fernando de la Torre, dean and canon, was named tutor and caretaker of the children. A.P.S. VI 1516 [=3976].

Esta información la encontré en Los Conversos y la Inquisicion Sevillana, by Juan Gil, Universidad de Sevilla, 2001, vol 2, p 196; vol 3, p 512; vol 4, pp 65-66.

*Beatriz Suárez se casó con Beltrán de Cetina y Alcocer, y uno de sus hijos fue el poeta y soldado Gutierre de Cetina, nacido en 1519 en Sevilla y muerto en 1554 en Coatzacoalcos, Veracruz-Llave, Mexico.

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Buenos días y muchas gracias por su mensaje.

Ignoro si son la misma persona.

Constanza Díaz de Villalobos era esposa de Juan Fernández de Sevilla, hijo de Gonzalo Fernández de Sevilla -converso- y de Catalina González como consta en mi primer mensaje.

Los datos de esta familia son los siguientes:

1. Gonzalo Fernández de Sevilla (converso) (N. 1440?) = Catalina González (hijadalgo).

1.1 Juan Fernández de Sevilla (N. 1470?) = Constanza Díaz de Villalobos (hermana del vicario Ruy Díaz de Villalobos).

1.1.1 Francisco de Villalobos (N. 1495?) = NN

1.1.1.1. Rodrigo de Villalobos. (N. 1520?)

1.1.2 Gonzalo Fernández de Sevilla y Villalobos (N. ca. 1496?).
1.1.3 Beatriz de Sevilla y Villalobos.
1.1.4 Catalina de Sevilla y Villalobos.
1.1.5 Juan de Sevilla y Villalobos.

1.2 Diego Fernández de Sevilla, mayordomo de un hermano de la duquesa de Béjar.
1.3 Pedro Fernández de Sevilla, alcalde de la fortaleza de Jarandilla.

+ 5 hijas que vivían en Plasencia.

Death registration

Hi everyone,

If there is a death registration there would also exist a church death document correct?

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I have not ever found a death record, comparable to a civil record. However, it is normal for there to be church records of "sepultura eclesiástica," which may or may not give any indication of the death date.

Clemente de Arellano

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Interesante, no había leído el testamento que otorgo Luis

En nombre de Dios todo poderoso amen. Notorio sea por la presente como yo Don Luis de Porras y Villavicencio hijo legítimo de D. Ju. Núñez de Villavicencio y de Doña Magdalena de Porres y Baranda, ya difuntos, vecinos que fueron de esta ciudad de Guadalajara…

4. Ytt. Declaro que yo estoy gozando el mayorazgo que fundo Diego de Porres baranda mi abuelo, y habiendo casado de segundo matrimonio con Da. Francisca de Arellano y Zúñiga mujer que había sido de señor Don Gerónimo de Aldas y Hernández oidor de esta Rl. Audiencia, recibí con la susodicha nueve mil pesos pertenecientes a la tutela de don Gerónimo y don domingo de Aldas sus hijos menores y de dicho señor oidor y maestre mil pesos que yo le di de arras que unos y otros hicieron dos mil (ilegible)…

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Saludos Erik,

Desafortunadamente, no conozco los padres de Clemente. Pero por casualidad estoy leyendo algunos de los protocolos de Guadalajara y encontré un arrendamiento de hacienda por parte de Luis de Porras Villavicencio a Clemente de Arellano. No creo que aclarará mucho, pero por si acaso te sea útil te lo paso:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BF-QS32-B?i=252&cat=…

Saludos,

Richard

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Estimado Richard,

Muchas gracias por tu ayuda, desconocía ese documento. Me es muy útil porque prueba nuevamente que Clemente era cercano a Francisca de Arellano, segunda esposa de Luis.

En la partida de bautismo de Gregorio Domingo de Arellano y Leal (de la Higuera) con fecha 25 de Septiembre de 1679 los padrinos del niño fueron Luis y Francisca. Veo como algo muy probable que Clemente y Francisca de Arellano fueran hermanos.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DVXN-3?i=499&cc=1874591

Un saludo nuevamente con mi agradecimiento.

Ancestry.com Broken Citation Source Links

If anyone uses ancestry.com, are you having issues pasting citation sources from familysearch.com?

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For those who use ancestry, I just reached out to them and they are having issues with hyperlinks not posting correctly. They said they are "on it"

I began using the "Other Information" box to post links for now till the issue is solved. It is above the "Web Address" box if this helps.

I sourced at least 50-60 links last night from familysearch.com and the hyperlinks are all broken. This is disappointing.

Ruben R

Geneology

Saludes: My interest is finding locating documenting my and my wife’s ancestry. Basically Hernández Ramírez and Zamora Canal.

Bernardo Garcia de la Cadena

Dear Group,

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Here is one Bernardo Garcia de Cadena. I don’t know if he is the same one that you are looking for. I doubt it as this one has a sister born in 1732.

6)- Felipe de Jesús García de la Cadena m. María Josefa López de Vargas

7)- Bernardo García de la Cadena

Rick A. Ricci

Rubio Family "de nación parda"

Hi,

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According to the Diccionario de la lengua española, in this context pardo and mulato are synonyms.

pardo, da

Del lat. pardus 'leopardo', por alus. a su color, y este del gr. πάρδος párdos.

5. adj. Ant., Arg., Ec., Hond., Méx., Perú, Ur. y Ven. p. us. mulato (‖ nacido de negro y blanca, o de blanco y negra). U. m. c. s.

Barthola Flores de la Torre (married to Pedro Bañuelos Benavides)

Hi,

I have been working on my tree for a while, but I got a little stuck with Barthola Flores de la Torre (married in aprox. 1711 to Pedro Bañuelos).

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I think the document does say her age, if I recall correctly. I believe she was in her early 30s at the time. It never says which Hernan Flores de la Torre is the father, so all we can safely assume is that Hernan Flores de la Torre and Ana de Sandi are grandparents or great grandparents. There's Hernan Flores de la Torre y Sandi and another Hernan Flores de la Torre who is the son of Luis Flores de la Torre y Sandi (I don't have the name of Luis' wife. I've seen a Maria Delgadillo but no sources.) I really wish people wouldn't add parents without sources. I know linking sources is time consuming, but at least put a note giving us a clue!

~ Andrea

BANUELOS Family Tree

Thanks to Salvador Cabral Valdes and his friend and source Leonardo de la Torre y Berumen, I've been able to extend/update my BANUELOS Family Tree 2 more generations further back!

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PETRA BAÑUELOS POSADAS, de quien es hija? nace 30 abril 1792 en Guadalcazar SLP.
se casa 26 de junio 1816,en Guadalcazar, con: JOSE EDUARDO ELIZALDE GARCIA.

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Out of curiousity have you come across the name Juana Banuelos B:(abt)1840 D:(abt)1890 in your research . She is the great grandmother of my father . Her parents were Simon Banuelos B:(abt)1810 and Agapita Garcia B:(1810). Another name in talk was a woman named Seferina Banuelos . Appreciate your time .

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Not in my Banuelos. You should ask Erlinda Castenon-Long because she is an authority on the Banuelos lineage. Good luck!

Jose Carlos de Leon

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what part of Mexico are your Banuelos family from?  Who was Juana Banuelos married to?
What is your name so I can look up your information, yanksfan doesn't help find you..
Hope I can be of help to you.. and me..
Linda in Marietta

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Out of curiousity have you come across the name Juana Banuelos B:(abt)1840 D:(abt)1890 in your research . She is the great garndmother of my father . Her parents were Simon Banuelos B:(abt)1810 and Agapita Garcia B:(1810). Another name in talk was a woman named Seferina Banuelos . Appreciate your time . -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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.
this is the civil registration link for Magdalena, Jalisco
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index?owc=MGDZ-6YZ%3A20659410…

and this is the church link
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index?owc=3J6J-YWG%3A17217270…

the civil registry is where I found Juana and Ceferina/Zeferina and their parents.

Erlinda Castanon-Long

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this family can be found in the civil records in Magdalena, Jalisco

Event Type Death Registration
Name Zeferina Bañuelos Garcia
Sex Female
Age 65
Event Date 10 Jul 1906
Event Place Magdalena, Jalisco, México
Death Place Magdalena, México
Birth Year (Estimated) 1841
Father's Name Simón Bañuelos
Mother's Name Agapita Garcia
Page 15

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Son dos apellidos diferentes,
BAÑUELOS JUAN, de la jurisdicción del Monte de Escobedo, hijo legítimo de Dionisio Bañuelos y de Catalina de Lamas, difuntos. Casado por el Bachiller don Bartolomé Cervantes Negrete en Jimulco el 15 de noviembre de 1716 y velado el día 16 con Inés Muñoz, española, vecina de la jurisdicción de Jerez, hija legítima de Marcos Muñoz, difunto y de doña María de Olague. Padrinos: Juan de Miranda y Luisa Carrillo. Testigos: el Bachiller don Juan Antonio Rangel Presbítero, Clemente de Acula y Juan de Olague. Fojas: 69 vuelta –70.

SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES

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Gracias, Señor. Esta información me ayuda mucho.

Saludos,

Edward Serros

p.s. Juan Bañuelos murió Sept 20, 1765 en Mezquitic, Jalisco (Mormons, Defunciones Mezquitic, Jalisco, 1712-1770 - VAULT INTL Film 1222504 Item 5)

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Re: <>

My last known Banuelos ancestor is Juan Banuelos, who was married to Maria Ignez Muñoz. Both date back to the late 1600's and early 1700's. According to your data, Juan's father was Dionisio Banuelos, whose name comes up repeatedly in my review of the church records from Mezquitic (Mesquitic) Jalisco. I suspect these are the same people. In reviewing the data from Mezquitic, it is clear that the Banuelos families had a huge number of offspring, so it is no wonder that there are a largne number of people who may be related to the Banuelos mentioned above.

I do have a couple of questions however. Can you give me further data on your information? That is, can you tell me where to look that would verify what Mr. Valdes and Mr. de la Torre have told you about Dionisio Banuelos, the last known Banuelos? I am familiar with Mr. de la Torre as a genealogist but would like a primary source, rather than a secondary oral one.

The second question, if not the more interesting one, is one relates to the wife of Dionisio Banuelos, i.e. Catalina de Lamas. Is the latter person's apellido Lamas or Llamas. In reviewing Ancestry.com the above mentioned Salvador Cabral Valdes has made mention of the Llamas, not Lamas, of Jerez Zacatecas, see http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.mexico.zacatecas/832.1.3/…. Again, are the Lamas the same as the Llamas?

I am not trying to be difficult but only trying to obtain more information and verify old.

Thank you,

Ed Serros

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Jose Carlos de Leon

15 Nov 1716
Notes: BAÑUELOS LAMAS JUAN, de la jurisdicción del Monte de Escobedo, hijo legítimo de Dionisio Bañuelos y de Catalina de Lamas, difuntos. Casado por el Bachiller don Bartolomé Cervantes Negrete en Jimulco el 15 de noviembre de 1716 y velado el día 16 con Inés Muñoz, española, vecina de la jurisdicción de Jerez, hija legítima de Marcos Muñoz, difunto y de doña María de Olague. Padrinos: Juan de Miranda y Luisa Carrillo. Testigos: el Bachiller don Juan Antonio Rangel Presbítero, Clemente de Acula y Juan de Olague. Fojas: 69 vuelta –70.

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Jose Carlos de Leon
These are all my ancestors regarding Banuelos Family Tree Thanks to Salvador Cabral Valdes

ROMAN CID CRISTOBAL
, español, originario y vecino de la jurisdicción de Jerez, hijo legítimo de José Román, difunto y de Josefa Cid. Casado en el puesto de Jimulco el 15 de noviembre de 1716 y velado el día 16 con Juana María Muñoz, española, originaria y vecina de la jurisdicción de Jerez, hija legítima de Marcos Muñoz, difunto y de Doña María de Olague. Padrinos: Juan de Miranda y Luisa Carrillo. Testigos: el Bachiller don Juan Antonio Rangel, José Román y Juan de Olague. Foja: 69 vuelta.

MUÑOZ OLAGUE LUIS, hijo legítimo de Marcos Muñoz y de María de Olague. Casado y velado por el Bachiller don José Osorio Melgarejo en Jerez el 28 de febrero de 1718 con Teresa Román, hija legítima de José Román, difunto y de Josefa Cid. Todos españoles, originarios y vecinos de la jurisdicción de Jerez. Padrinos: Clemente de Acuña e Isabel Cid. Testigos: Juan de la Torre Muñoz y Juan Valdés. Fojas: 86.

CARRILLO RODARTE español, originario de Jimulco, jurisdicción de Jerez, hijo legítimo de Juan Dionicio Carrillo y de Francisca Rodarte. Casado y velado por el Bachiller don José Barragán en Jerez el 23 de enero de 1742 con Juana de los Santos Muñoz, española, originaria del puesto de Jimulco, jurisdicción de la villa de Jerez, hija natural de Marcos Muñoz. Padrinos: Alejandro Román y María Román. Testigos: José Castro y Mateo Arteaga. Foja: 138.

MUÑOZ Domingo, español, soltero, de 21 años de edad, originario de la jurisdicción de Jerez, e hijo legítimo de Marcos Muñoz, ya difunto y de María de Olague, residente en la jurisdicción de Jerez. No firmó. Pretende contraer matrimonio eclesiástico en Jerez con Brígida de Miranda, española, doncella, de 18 años de edad, originaria de la jurisdicción de Jerez, hija legítima del Capitán Juan de Miranda y de Luisa Carrillo, residentes en la jurisdicción de Jerez. No firmó. Testigos: 1.- Gregorio Cordero, español, de 44 años de edad, vecino de la villa de Jerez. Firmó. 2.- Nicolás Carrillo, español, de 30 años de edad, originario de la villa de Jerez. No firmó. 3.- Mateo de Arteaga, español, de 40 años de edad, vecino ha 21 años en la jurisdicción de Jerez. Firmó. Información matrimonial. Jerez, Zac. 8 de enero de 1713. Fojas: 16 – 18 vuelta.

MUÑOZ Marcos , español, de 22 años de edad, originario del Real del Fresnillo y vecino de la ciudad de Zacatecas, hijo legítimo de Francisco Muñoz, español, difunto y de María de Molina, española, viuda. Firmó. Pretende contraer matrimonio en la ciudad de Zacatecas con María de Olague, vecina de Jerez[2]. Información matrimonial. Zacatecas, Zac. 23 de diciembre de 1688.

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hola, quienes son los últimos ancestros que tienes investigados, porque estoy trabajando en la zona, no me pude meter en tu file..saludos Leticia Reynoso

> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: jcdl1944@hotmail.com
> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 05:19:07 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] BANUELOS Family Tree
>
> Thanks to Salvador Cabral Valdes and his friend and source Leonardo de la Torre y Berumen, I've been able to extend/update my BANUELOS Family Tree 2 more generations further back! You can view it in my FILE under
>
> Leon, Joseph de (Jerez, Zacatecas, Huejucar, Jalisco)
>
> Gracias a Salvador Cabral Valdes y a su amigo que dio la informacion Leonardo de la Torre y Berumen, he podido extender mi Arbo BANUELOS 2 generaciones mas para atras. Pueden ver el arbol en mi FILE
>
> Leon, Joseph de (Jerez, Zacatecas, Huejucar, Jalisco)
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Jacinto DionisioBanuelos y Maria Bartola Cipriana de la Torre son mis 4th great grandparents

Outline Descendant Report for Dionisio Banuelos
..... 1 Dionisio Banuelos (1675 - 1716) b: Abt. 1675, d: Bef. 1716
..... + Catalina de Lamas (1675 - 1716) b: Abt. 1675, d: Bef. 1716
........... 2 Juan Banuelos (1696 - 1766) b: Abt. 1696, d: Bef. 1766
........... + Inez Munoz (1696 - ) b: Abt. 1696, m: 15 Nov 1716 in Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas, Mexico
................. 3 Jacinto Dionisio Banuelos (1741 - ) b: 1741 in Muertos, Zacatecas, Mexico
................. + Ma. Bartola Cipriana De La Torre (1746 - ) b: 04 Oct 1746 in Muertos, Zacatecas, Mexico,
m: 26 Sep 1766 in Jerez De Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico
....................... 4 Jose Antonio Banuelos (1781 - ) b: Abt. 1781 in Maybe Jerez, Zacatecas, Mexico
....................... + Ma. Antonia Sanchez (1782 - ) b: Abt. 1782 in Possibly Jerez Zacatecas
....................... 4 Felipe Banuelos (1784 - ) b: Abt. 1784
....................... 4 Jose Matias Banuelos (1774 - ) b: Abt. 1774
....................... + Maria Estefana Sanchez (1774 - ) b: Abt. 1774
....................... 4 Rafael Banuelos (1780 - ) b: Abt. 1780
....................... + Ma. Ignacia Felis (1780 - ) b: Abt. 1780
....................... 4 Ma. Figenia Martina Banuelos (1779 - ) b: Dec 1779 in Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico

Outline Descendant Report for Francisco Muñoz
..... 1 Francisco Muñoz (1640 - 1688) b: Abt. 1640, d: Bef. 1688
..... + María de Molina (1640 - ) b: Abt. 1640
........... 2 Marcos Munoz (1666 - 1716) b: 1666, d: Bef. 1716
........... + María Josefa de Olague (1668 - ) b: Abt. 1668, m: 23 Dec 1688 in Jerez De Garcia Salinas,
Zacatecas, Mexico
................. 3 Inez Munoz (1696 - ) b: Abt. 1696
................. + Juan Banuelos (1696 - 1766) b: Abt. 1696, m: 15 Nov 1716 in Monte Escobedo,
Zacatecas, Mexico, d: Bef. 1766
....................... 4 Jacinto Dionisio Banuelos (1741 - ) b: 1741 in Muertos, Zacatecas, Mexico
....................... + Ma. Bartola Cipriana De La Torre (1746 - ) b: 04 Oct 1746 in Muertos, Zacatecas,
Mexico, m: 26 Sep 1766 in Jerez De Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico
............................. 5 Jose Antonio Banuelos (1781 - ) b: Abt. 1781 in Maybe Jerez, Zacatecas, Mexico
............................. + Ma. Antonia Sanchez (1782 - ) b: Abt. 1782 in Possibly Jerez Zacatecas
............................. 5 Felipe Banuelos (1784 - ) b: Abt. 1784
............................. 5 Jose Matias Banuelos (1774 - ) b: Abt. 1774
............................. + Maria Estefana Sanchez (1774 - ) b: Abt. 1774
............................. 5 Rafael Banuelos (1780 - ) b: Abt. 1780
............................. + Ma. Ignacia Felis (1780 - ) b: Abt. 1780
............................. 5 Ma. Figenia Martina Banuelos (1779 - ) b: Dec 1779 in Tepetongo, Zacatecas,
Mexico
................. 3 Luis Munoz (1698 - ) b: Abt. 1698
................. + Teresa Román (1698 - ) b: Abt. 1698, m: 28 Feb 1718 in Jerez Zacatecas Mexico
................. 3 Domingo Munoz (1691 - ) b: 1691
................. + Brígida de Miranda (1693 - ) b: 1693, m: 08 Jan 1713 in Jerez De Garcia Salinas,
Zacatecas, Mexico
................. 3 Juana Maria Munoz (1696 - ) b: Abt. 1696
................. + Cristóbal Román (1696 - ) b: Abt. 1696, m: 15 Nov 1716 in Jerez De Garcia Salinas,
Zacatecas, Mexico
................. 3 Juana de los Santos Muñoz (1710 - ) b: Abt. 1710
................. + Carrillo m: 23 Jan 1742 in Jerez De Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico
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> From: siriuslr@hotmail.com
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:59:44 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] BANUELOS Family Tree
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>
> hola, quienes son los últimos ancestros que tienes investigados, porque estoy trabajando en la zona, no me pude meter en tu file..saludos Leticia Reynoso
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Victor M Gomez
Preguntarte si Felipe Bañuelos es es mismo que caso en segundas nupcias con Maria Ygnacia de los Santos Gonzalez Camargo, viuda de Manuel Ledesma.

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That's all the info I have the Felipe Banuelos I have in my Tree.
Perhaps you could be more precise with the DATES and LOCALITIES of the Felipe Banuelos in your own Tree so that we can all benefit from your info?

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: victor_manuel_gp@yahoo.com.mx
> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 23:12:51 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] BANUELOS Family Tree

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Victor Gomez

FELIPE BAÑUELOS MIRAMONTES, HIJO DE JOSE BAÑUELOS Y SANJUANA MIRAMONTES DE TLALTENANGO, CASO EN TERCERAS O CUARTAS NUPCIAS CON MARIA YGNACIA DE LOS SANTOS GONZALEZ HIJA DE PRUDENCIO GONZALEZ CAMARGO Y JOSEPHA CHAVEZ MENDEZ EL DIA 25 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 1868 EN EL TEMPLO DE JESUS, DE GUADALAJARA JAL.

ESPERO LE SEA DE UTILIDAD ESTA INFORMACION Y CONFIRMAR SI ES LA MISMA PERSONA,
GRACIAS

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It has been awhile since I followed up on this Banuelos line. Given the previous discussions, there appears to be quite a number of Banuelos descendants from the Jerez/Monte Escobedo/Rio Atoloque who are on this board. The last major discussion was this link http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18016.

I believe I might have been able to extend the Banuelos tree described in the link above back to Diego Temino de Banuelos and Baltasar Temino de Banuelos. See my Banuelos_092019 pdf in my genealogy files. I believe the first three generations are fairly solid and the subsequent generations starting with Dionicio Banuelos and Catalina de Lamas are solid, as discussed in the above link. The major question is whether the DIego Banuelos and Maria Benavides y Delgado line is correct. It is literally the missing link.

I put this out not as Gospel but simply as a source of discussion/debate. I am hesitant to unequivocally state this Banuelos line (which is my line too) goes back to Baltasar de Banuelos, one of the four founders of Zacatecas. However, you can also review a limpieza de sangre document in my genealogy files which comments on don Juan Banuelos and Dona Ygnes Munoz line, "que estos descendian de los conquistadores de la Ciudad Real Y minas de Zacatecas."

I am asking for help/comments. I know there are Benavides on the is board. My major hesitation is that the missing link suggested above may be another cousin or similar relative. It seems that many Banuelos generations loved the first name Dionicio and Diego.

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I have a few links I saved from years back. I did not see Diego Banuelos in the "Outline Descendant Report for Dionisio Banuelos" from one of the original posts. Some of the links below show Diego Banuelos' parents as Dionisio Banuelos and Catalina Llamas. Diego Banuelos Defuncion clearly states "quintas nupcias" which has him married five times. It was very challenging to research this line given the many Banuelos' last name. Anyway, I attached the marriage links I believe to belong to Diego Banuelos. If you read the marriage record, some give clues of the previous marriage which helps.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5V9Z-Q8?i=104&wc=SS5X-…

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-F3WZ-C?i=24&wc=SS25-BZ…

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-4K9Z-WZ?i=1097&wc=MC78…

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-4K9Z-XW?i=1109&wc=MC78…

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-4K9H-7N?i=1275&wc=MC78…

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-4K9Z-XJ?i=1057&wc=3PSX…

Hope these links shed some light.
Ruben R

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actually dionisio had two sons named diego, with one of them being a son of catalina lamas and another who is a son of a woman named ana de la cruz. the son of ana de la cruz is the one who married 5 times, the other only married 3 times at the most

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I descend from Diego de Banuelos and Maria de Benavides y Delgado through their daughter Maria (cc. Nicolas Sanchez Castellanos) and I THINK their son Pedro (cc. Bartola Flores - an illegitimate child of one of the Hernan Flores de la Torres)

I've spent a lot of time with the Teul baptism film and I can say that Diego and Maria's daughter Leonor (cc. Miguel de Rivera) calls herself "Banuelos y de los Reyes" a lot.

It looks to me like Diego Banuelos may have remarried to an Isabel Gonzalez/Delgado after Maria Benavides' death. I don't have all my links in front of me, but they start having children in the early 1660s - a little too young to be Diego Banuelos y Benavides (Diego and Maria's son b. 1648 I believe)

Diego and Isabel have a son Antonio who marries in Tlatlenango in 1686

There was also a Baltazar Banuelos who married Josefa Beruman in Tlaltenango 1685. He says he's from the City of Zacatecas and the natural son of a Diego Banuelos, deceased, and an Isabel de Salazar
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BR1K-Z?i=156&cc=1804458

The interesting thing about this Baltazar is that he later calls himself Baltazar Onate y Banuelos
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-1S43-3?cc=1804458&wc=3PSC-…

I have seen a couple of trees that have these two Diegos as the same person and a son of Diego Temino de Banuelos and Catalina de Onate y Rivadeneira. But if Diego Banuelos and Maria Benavides are the parents of Dionicio and Leonor Banuelos then Diego being a son of Dionicio Banuelos and Leonor del Castillo makes more sense.

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Hello,
I found another child of theirs.
My 9th great grandmother is María Bañuelos Benavides bap. 11/11/1652 in Teul.

Record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXRS-JMF
She married Nicolas Sanchez Castellanos bal. 9/20/1643 in Tlaltenango, son of Tomasina de Haro cc Juan Sánchez Castellano.

With all the Diego’s and Bañuelos, Sadly i cannot find proof of who the parents of Diego Bañuelos cc María Benavides are. I think Dionisio makes sense but there are a few possibilities.
Maven.

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I'm thinking leonicio banuelos and leonor reyes are seperate people/couple than dionisio banuelos/leonor castillo. the main reason why i believe this is because diego was born in 1630's which makes the latter couple too old to be his parents. i'm thinking leonciio/dionisio who married leonor reyes is either a son of nephew of the one who married leonor castillo

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Hi Andrea,
I have in my tree Barthola Flores de la Torre and Pedro Bañuelos too, according to their marriage dispense she was the daughter of an indigenous woman named Maria Magdalena and of Hernan Flores de la Torre... I cannot find any other document to confirm which Hernan Flores de la Torre is... or who are her grandparents... I think she was from Mezquituta but I have not been able to find any information ...
Do you have any information regarding this or idea where I could find it?

Thank you!

Ancestors of Alexandra Rodríguez

Pantaleon Villagrana and Maria Marina Villavicencio

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1)- Pablo Herrera

2)- Maria Onofre Herrera b. 1798, d. 24/Apr/1888 and Martin Rodríguez

3)- Simon Rodríguez b. ca 1845 d. 18/Jan/1901 and Macedonia Damian b. ca 1848, d. 16/Dec/1918. (Daughter of Doroteo Damián and Josefa Arellano (aka Becerra)

4)- Julian Rodríguez Damian II , b. 28/March/1884, c. 2/April/1884 d. 1/April/1937 married Clemencia Minjares

5)- Ascension Rodríguez Minjares b. 2/Dec/1904, d. 4/Dec/1936

https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…

Rick A. Ricci
Mygenes2000

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1)- Antonio Bacilio Garcia and Juana Antonia Albarado

2)- Ciriaco Garcia m. 4/June/1802 Ciriaca de los Reyes

3)- María Severa Garcia, b. 8/Nov/1805, c. 11/Nov/1805 m. 3/May/1823 José Gregorio Gamboa c. 22/March/1797

4)- José Clemente Gamboa b. 26/Nov/1836, m. Timoteo Ulloa de los Reyes (daughter of Luciano Ulloa and Rosa Maria de los Reyes)

5)- Ma. Rosalia Gamboa b. 1864, m. 1/Jan/1886 to Felipe Guadalupe Minjares c. 28/May/1848, d. 3/Aug/1892

6)- Clemencia (Clementina) Minjares b.15/Nov/1886 d.1/Dec/1922 m. 12/Feb/1904 with Julian Rodríguez II. She was Julian’s first of three wives.

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1)- Ramon de los Reyes and Marcela Xaviera

2)- María Carmel de los Reyes

3)- Ciriaca de los Reyes m. 4/June/1802 Ciriaco Garcia

4)- María Severa Garcia, b. 8/Nov/1805, c. 11/Nov/1805 m. 3/May/1823 José Gregorio Gamboa c. 22/March/1797

5)- José Clemente Gamboa b. 26/Nov/1836, m. Timoteo Ulloa de los Reyes (daughter of Luciano Ulloa and Rosa Maria de los Reyes)

6)- Ma. Rosalia Gamboa b. 1864, m. 1/Jan/1886 to Felipe Guadalupe Minjares c. 28/May/1848, d. 3/Aug/1892

7)- Clemencia (Clementina) Minjares b.15/Nov/1886 d.1/Dec/1922 m. 12/Feb/1904 with Julian Rodríguez II. She was Julian’s first of three wives.

R. A. Ricci
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1)- Casimiro Gamboa and Mariana Gomez

2)- Jose Juan Eduardo Gamboa m. Maria Francisca Sandoval (daughter of Alexandro Sandoval and Micaela de Jesus Alvarez

3)- José Gregorio Gamboa c. 22/March/1797 m. 3/May/1823 María Severa Garcia, b. 8/Nov/1805, c. 11/Nov/1805

4)- José Clemente Gamboa b. 26/Nov/1836, m. Timoteo Ulloa de los Reyes (daughter of Luciano Ulloa and Rosa Maria de los Reyes)

5)- Ma. Rosalia Gamboa b. 1864, m. 1/Jan/1886 to Felipe Guadalupe Minjares c. 28/May/1848, d. 3/Aug/1892

6)- Clemencia (Clementina) Minjares b.15/Nov/1886 d.1/Dec/1922 m. 12/Feb/1904 with Julian Rodríguez II. She was Julian’s first of three wives.

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1)- Manuel Bermudez and Clara Carillo

2)- Miguel Bermudez m.26/Sep/1803 María Luisa Delgado Bastida (daughter of Antonio Delgado and Ma. Dolores Bastida

3)- María de Jesus Bermudez m. 7/Nov/1838 Isidro Minjares

4)- Felipe Guadalupe Minjares Bermudez c. 28/May/1848, d. 3/Aug/1892, m. 1/Jan/1886 with Ma. Rosalia Gamboa

5)- Clemencia (Clementina) Minjares b.15/Nov/1886 d.1/Dec/1922 m. 12/Feb/1904 with Julian Rodríguez II. She was Julian’s first of three wives.

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1)- Antonio Minjares and Nicolasa Sánchez

2)- José Vicente Minjares m. 11/May/1808 with María Tecla Sánchez c. 29/Sep/1785

3)- José Isidro Minjares b.1813 m. 7/Nov/1838 with Maria de Jesus Bermudez, b.1821

4)- Felipe Guadalupe Minjares c. 28/May/1848, d. 3/Aug/1892, m. 1/Jan/1886 to Ma. Rosalia Gamboa b. 1864

5)- Clemencia (Clementina) Minjares b.15/Nov/1886 d.1/Dec/1922 m. 12/Feb/1904 with Julian Rodríguez. She was Julian’s first of three wives.

Rick A. Ricci
Mygenes2000

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Researching the Rodríguez side of the family brought up three marriages for Julian Rodríguez

Julian Rodríguez Damian II was named after his older brother who was born in 1873 and died in January of 1884

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GPXL-F6?i=5&cc=1918187…

Julian Rodríguez Damian II , b. 28/March/1884, c. 2/April/1884 d. 1/April/1937, Is the son of Simon Rodríguez and Macedonia Damian. Clemencia Minjares Is the daughter of Felipe Minjares and Rosalia Gamboa. https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…

Julian Rodríguez was married at least three times. His first marriage took place on 12/Feb 1904 to Clemencia Minjares, second marriage was on 17/May/1923 to Brígida Pinedo, and third marriage on 12/Sep/1924 to Micaela Villagrana. Julian’s paternal grandparents are Martin Rodríguez and Maria Onofre Herrera. Julian’s maternal grandparents are Doroteo Damián and Josefa Barajas (aka Arellano).

Clemencia (Clementina) Mijares was b. 15/Nov/1886, d. 1/Dec/1922, daughter of Felipe Minjares and Rosalia Gamboa. Paternal grandparents are Isidro Minjares and María Jesús Bermúdez. Maternal grandparents are Clemente Gamboa and Timoteo Ulloa.

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Pantaleon Villagrana del Real, c. 18/Sep/1863 d. 1/Nov/1936 at the age of 73 years. Pantaleon is the son of Rafael Villagrana and Luisa Del Real, paternal grandparents, Isidro Villagrana and Francisca Banuelos, and maternal grandparents are Diego Del Real and Maria de Los Angeles Marquez

Baptism record:
Image 46. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GB91-G5?i=45&cc=1874591

Death record:
https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…

Maria Marina Villavicencio, b. 20/July/1871, c. 24/Aug/1871, d. 31/Oct/1949, death recorded 2/Dec/1948, is the daughter of Jose Rosalio Villavicencio and Maria Jacinta Martinez. Paternal grandparents are Jose Joaquin Villavicencio and Josefa Raigosa. Maternal grandparents are Eustaquio Martinez and Maria Fernanda Flores Castañeda . Maria Fernanda’s death record is 27/March/1886.
Maria Fernanda is the daughter of Juan Marcelo Flores and Maria Antonia Castañeda. Juan Marcelo Flores b. 1787 or 1781 depending on the record and Maria Antonia Castañeda b. 1789 were married on 4/Aug/1805. Juan Marcelo Flores is the son of Juan Ubaldo Flores and Maria Timotea de La Cruz. Maria Antonia Castañeda is the daughter of Juan Andres Castañeda and Maria Carmel Álvarez.

Baptismal record: https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…

Birth record https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLTD-4SNG.

Death record:
https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…

Jose Joaquin Villavicencio is married on 15/April/1801 with Josefa Raigosa.

Jose Joaquin Villavicencio is The son of Antonio Villavicencio and Maxima Ulloa.

Josefa Raigosa is the daughter of Monico De la Cruz Raigosa and Justa Rufina Garcia.

https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…

Death record of Maria Fernanda Flores Castañeda https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…

Maria Jacinta Martinez’s baptismal record is dated 28/Aug/1842. Her paternal grandparents are Jose Sotelo (Sotero) Martinez and Maria Petra Bañuelos.

Jose Eustaquio Martinez’s death record 6/Feb/1873.

https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…

Rick A. Ricci
Mygenes2000

Term: Morisca

Hello, is anyone familiar with the term "Morisca'? I believe it appears after the daughter and mother's name on Pasquela Prudencia's 1749 San Luis Potosi birth record on the link listed below.

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It is a good exercise to take the "casts" with a grain of salt, this terms were, in real life very loosely used in colonial México, thus you will see for example that among siblings there could be different casts, or very often the word "mulato" for actual "meztiso" people. etc.

Although Moro refers originally to an African Muslim, in my personal point of view, I found that "morisco" was likely used to denote a child of darker skin color but not dark enough to be a "mulato" probably similar to what we call today "trigueño", this regardless of the actual ethical background.

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The terms used for castes in Spain differed from those used in the Colonies. While in Spain, “Morisca/o” meant “Muslim,” in Mexico, it was used for a person with one European parent (white) and one Mulato parent (of European and African parentage). Basically, a child with 3 White grandparents and 1 Black grandparent. But as RJQ mentions, the caste system was ambiguous and arbitrary.

Need help in reading this 1768 document

Hi to all Nuestro Rancho members,

Can someone look at this half page document for me and rewrite it clearly so I can see what it says?? It is about my ancestor Blas Madera. Thank you.

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Literal transcript without abbreviations plus capital letters. In case you need the other little details besides what Mr. Ricci has mentioned.

Not sure if the brides mother's last name is "peres" or "lares". probably the former.

Blas Madera mestiso originario de Minillas y vesino de esta pheligrecia veinte años a, y viudo de Teresa de Avila cuyo cuerpo se sepulto en esta yglecia tres años a, hijo legitimo de Joseph Madera y de Josepha Velasques, Paresco ante vuestra majestad como mejor aya lugar en dicho. y digo que por quanto tengo ajuntado mi casamiento con Maria Lorensa española de los Sauses y vesina desta pheligrecia seis años a, hija legitima de Sevastian Magaianes y Ephigenia Peres? para poder contraer dicho matrimonio....

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This is a marriage record For Blas Madera and María Lorenza. It says that he is a widower and that his parents are Joseph Madera and Josepha Velasquez. It seems that they initially forgot to name the parents of Maria Lorenza (Magdalena or Magallanes)

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Jacinto de la Torre

Sancho de Rentería legítimamente procreó a doña Angela de Rentería Velasco y
Mójica Río de la Loza, quien casó con don Juan del Campo y de la Torre,
progenitor de Manuel de la Torre y Renter

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Me acaban de muy compartir la dispensa matrimonial de Prudencio de la Torre y Maria Rafaela de Miranda. Por lo que me dice la persona que muy generosamente me la pasó, es una hoja suelta de 1706 del archivo de Jerez. En ella, vienen varios troncos de la pareja de Juan de la Torre (alias del Campo) y Angela de Velasco (Rentería y Mojica). Como creo que merece un post aparte, solo escribiré aquí que dice que los papás de Manuel de la Torre eran Juan de la Torre (hijo de Juan y Angela) y Agueda del Rio! (será la misma Agueda del Rio y Olague que se casó con Pedro Chavez de Bañuelos?)

Para más detalles de la dispensa, por favor consultar el post que dedicaré a Juan de la Torre (alias del Campo) y Angela de Velasco Rentería y Mojica.

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note: Pedro had 3 children with Mother unknown before his marriage to Agueda. Record originally says they are 4 degree related, later it says 3rd degree in 4th degree
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marriage dispensation recorded 4 Nov 1681 from Jerez in Guadalajara
Pedro Chaves Banuelos age 25
parents: El Capitan Juan Chaves Banuelos and Dona Ysabel de Soto y Almieda all from Jerez where they were born
with Dona Agueda delrrio age 22
parents: Miguel Olage Zdexx and Dona Juana del Rio all orginally from Jerez
marriage dispensation 3rd degree in 4th degree
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in her information Agueda says her parents are Miguel de Olague and Dona Juan Gamboa y Moxica. Both Agueda and Pedro both say he has 3 children.
witness: Diego Carrillo de Abila Espanol from Jerez age 60 who says that Agueda is the daughter of Juana Gamboa Moxica granddaughter of Juan del Campo who is primo of Pedro Chaves Banuelos
witness: Augustin Ledesma Espanol from Xeres age 22 who said Pedro Chaves Banuelos is first cousin of Juan del Campo grandfather of Agueda
witness Francisco Castellon Espanol visitor to Xeres age 40 who said Capitan Juan Chaves Banuelos is 2nd cousin to Juan del Campo grandfather of Agueda and also said Pedro has 3 children
source:168682 film Ordenes 1689-1694...
page 608 Familysearch online

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Sanchez-Castellanos

Revisando mis apuntes la esposa de Joseph Sánchez-Castellanos Haro fue según su boda Josepha Chavez Ruiz de Soto (AKA Josepha Chavez y Bañuelos), posiblemente fue hija del Capitan Juan Chavez y Bañuelos y de Isabel Ruiz de Soto, al parecer descendiente de Cristóbal de Oñate según pagina de Salvador Cabral.

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Juan Francisco Sanchez Alvarez

Description: Bautizado en Jerez el 15 de mayo de 1686. Padrinos: don José
Sánchez Castellanos de Haro y doña Josefa de Chávez Ruíz de Soto, casados el
11 de junio de 1675. Archivo de la parroquia La Inmaculada de Jerez, Zac.

Don Joseph Castellanos de Haro fue hijo de Juan Sanchez Castellanos y Thomasina de Haro (de Saucedo) prima hermana de Hernando de Haro. Fue Capitan y padre de Antonio Sanchez Castellanos que fue regidor en Jerez, hombres muy ricos.

Don Nicolas Sanchez Castellanos de Haro y Juana Maria Bañuelos crearon su desendencia en Monte Escobedo, sus hijos Sebastian, Vicente, Juan, Florencio, etc.

En la hacienda de Santa Teresa,Monte Escobedo aparece Maria Rosa Sanchez Castellanos casada con Antonio de Escobedo y que al parecer fue hija de Nicolas Sanchez Castellanos (aun se estan buscando pruebas).

La esposa de Dn Joseph Sanchez Castellanos aparece en una dispensa de la boda de su hija Thomasa en 1727 como Josepha Chavez y Bañuelos.

informacion Lopes Bueso(Hueso)

Busco informacion sobre el matrimonio de Nicolas Lopez Bueso y Nicolasa Guerrero de Ocon, asi como la fecha de nacimiento de Nicolas Lopez Bueso Guerrero.

Is this library of archives able to view online?

This has alot of archives of colonial Mecico. Does anyone know if it can be viewed online?

University of Arizona Institutional Repository:

http://uair.library.arizona.edu/item/200

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