A friend of mine at the local FHC asked for my help in translating a document. It is from a country that uses the cyrillic [sp?] alphabet, but the printed part is also in Latin, as well as what the priest hand-wrote on the form.
what does vindo mean?
Viudo may be the word, meaning widow, or widow of.
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what does vindo mean?
I think you mean viudo, which means widow.
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Viudo may be the word, meaning widow, or widow of.
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what does vindo mean?
When I read the old church records I am curious about for instance marriages. It shows witnesses but usually says something like: testigos de edad or mayores de edad. What does that mean? Also, they seem to show grandparents names, listed as AP or AM and I assume that stands for Abuelos Paternos or maternal?
Testigos de edad o mayores de edad stand for adults (as opposed to menores de edad=minors). Regarding AP and AM, you are correct Paternal and Maternal grandparents, respectively.
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When I read the old church records I am curious about for instance marriages. It shows witnesses but usually says something like: testigos de edad or mayores de edad. What does that mean? Also, they seem to show grandparents names, listed as AP or AM and I assume that stands for Abuelos Paternos or maternal? Is that right?
Thank you Jaime. Normally are the adults (or minors) related? I notice the last names tend to be the same but not sure of their relations yet but thankfully I found this site to search. My cousin told me that we are distant relatives of Gen. Mariano Escobedo (not direct descendants) and because of that our male ancestors were conscripted into the federal army to fight against Pancho Villa. I was wondering are there any military records?
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Testigos de edad o mayores de edad stand for adults (as opposed to menores de
edad=minors). Regarding AP and AM, you are correct Paternal and Maternal
grandparents, respectively.
Sincerely
Jaime
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When I read the old church records I am curious about for instance marriages.
It shows witnesses but usually says something like: testigos de edad or
mayores de edad. What does that mean? Also, they seem to show grandparents
names, listed as AP or AM and I assume that stands for Abuelos Paternos or
maternal? Is that right?
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> Thank you Jaime. Normally are the adults (or minors) related? I notice the last names tend to be the same but not sure of their relations yet but thankfully I found this site to search. My cousin told me that we are distant relatives of Gen. Mariano Escobedo (not direct descendants) and because of that our male ancestors were conscripted into the federal army to fight against Pancho Villa. I was wondering are there any military records?
>
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> From: alvaradj@comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question about Church Records
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 12:20 PM
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> Testigos de edad o mayores de edad stand for adults (as opposed to menores de
> edad=minors). Regarding AP and AM, you are correct Paternal and Maternal
> grandparents, respectively.
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> Sincerely
>
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>
> Jaime
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> When I read the old church records I am curious about for instance marriages.
> It shows witnesses but usually says something like: testigos de edad or
> mayores de edad. What does that mean? Also, they seem to show grandparents
> names, listed as AP or AM and I assume that stands for Abuelos Paternos or
> maternal? Is that right?
Steve Apodaca: Thanks for wrighting back. Answering your question.... no, I grew up in Guadalajara, but my mom was born and grew in Atotonilco El Bajo as well as my grandmother and all her family and ancestors. I visited 1000s of times the town and have lovely memories about it till now. I know the area very well, all the surroundings as Estipac, Villacorona, Cocula, Zacolaco, Sta Catarina and some others as Sayula, Las Barrancas, Acatlan, Ameca, etc. My mom and grandmother (still alive) told me many stories about these places and the way life was many years ago. I do have some stories written and it´s very interesting. About the Apodaca lines in my page, I don´t understand why they didn´t appear, I´m fixing that now. But anyway I remember y sent you the attachments with all this information and answered a previous mail. No matter what, I´ll send it again, ok? Actually I asked you for the information you have that I don't to complete all the family siblings..... Wait for your news
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Steve Apodaca: Thanks for wrighting back. Answering your question.... no, I grew up in Guadalajara, but my mom was born and grew in Atotonilco El Bajo as well as my grandmother and all her family and ancestors. I visited 1000s of times the town and have lovely memories about it till now. I know the area very well, all the surroundings as Estipac, Villacorona, Cocula, Zacolaco, Sta Catarina and some others as Sayula, Las Barrancas, Acatlan, Ameca, etc. My mom and grandmother (still alive) told me many stories about these places and the way life was many years ago. I do have some stories written and it´s very interesting. About the Apodaca lines in my page, I don´t understand why they didn´t appear, I´m fixing that now. But anyway I remember y sent you the attachments with all this information and answered a previous mail. No matter what, I´ll send it again, ok? Actually I asked you for the information you have that I don't to complete all the family siblings..... Wait for your news. Wright back soon PS: Attached you´ll find the Apodaca files I have. Best regardsLIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA
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Hola Jose , gracias ,lo que me confundio fue de tu primera e-mail hablado de los Peres y sus esposas. Cuendo mencionaste Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo y su esposa me perdi. Ya tenia la informacion de Los hijos de Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo,no mas la falta de comprender el espanol bien. Bueno una pregunta, dices que Ignacio de La Cueva y Rebollar y su esposa Tomasina Franco de Paredes comensaron la Rama de Franco de La Cueva, que son los hijos porque tengo unos ante pasados que se llamaban Juan Franco de La Cueva(nacio 1648 en Tepatitlan) casado con Maria Gutierrez de Hermosillo(nacio 1652) en 1673 en Jalostotitlan. Hay chansa que Juan es hijo de Ignacio de la Cueva ?
I came across a board on genealogy.com and other webpages from google that say these three families are somehow related but never mention exactly how. I do know that Pérez y Franco and Pérez de Paredes are related becuase the couple of Silão, Gto.
Primeramente quisiera presentarme: mi nombre es José María Vallejo Mercado, soy originario de Jalostotitlán, Jal., y soy aficionado a la genealogía, y aunque en mis 8 apellidos no tenga el apellido Pérez, si aparece en los 16, ya que una de mis tatarabuelas maternas de nombre María del Refugio Pérez Rábago, hija de José Ascención Pérez y de Ignacia Rábago.
María del Refugio Pérez Rábago casó con Bernardo Tostado Gutiérrez, ( son mis tarabuelos maternos): ellos fueron padres de Paula Tostado Pérez, que casó con José Eduviges Mercado Fernandez, estos ultimos fueron padres de Marcelino Mercado Tostado, que casó con Dionicia Padilla Covarrubias, padres de mi madre María de los Angeles Mercado Padilla, que casó con Andrés Vallejo Vallejo, padres de José María Vallejo Mercado, ( un servidor).
Como se puede apreciar no existe en la región personas que seamos criollas, ( esto es descendientes de españoles nacidos en México.) que no tengamos un apellido como: González, Gutiérrez, Padilla, Romo, Jiménez, Reynoso, Ramírez, Pérez, etcetera, puesto que fuerón los que poblaron toda la meseta de los altos y estados circunvecinos.
Familia Pérez-Franco, Perez de Paredes, Franco de Paredes.
El trongo genealigico que dió origen a las familias que arriba mencióno fué: Blas de Paredes, que murio en Silao el 27 abril de 1651, antes habia casado con Beatriz de Castilleja, y al quedar viudo volvio a casar con Ana María Franco de Montoya, que murio el 4 de junio de 1660.
Del primer matrimonio de Blas de Paredes con Beatriz de Castilleja, tuvieron un hijo que fué Juan Castro de Paredes, que casó en primeras nupcias con María González de Rubalcaba de Rubalcaba y Rodas, en Lagos de Moreno en 1650, de ahi vienen las familias González de Paredes, de Silao, y en segundas nupcias Juan casó con Josefa de Figueroa y Bañuelos, de ahi provienen la familia Castro Figueroa, en Silao.
En su segundo matrimon de Blas de Paredes con Ana María Franco de MOntoya, tubieron los siguientes hijos:
1-. Nicolasa de Paredes, bautizada en Valaldolid hoy Morelia, capital del estado de Michoacan en 1619.
2-. Padro FRanco de Paredes, bautizado en Silao, Guanajuato, en 1624, y murio en Jalostotitlán, Jal. ( de donde es un Servidor), casó con Leonor de Hermosillo y Talavera, descendiente de los primeros pobladores de Jalostotitlán, Jal. ( el matrimonio formado por JUan de González de Hermosillo y María Muñoz.) de este matrimonio provienen la familia Franco de Paredes, de la Nueva Galicia, que ahora son: los Estados de Jalisco, parte de Guanajuato, Aguascalientes, parte de Michoacan, parte de Zacatecas y parte de Nayarit.).
3., La tercer hija (o), fue: Tomasina FRanco de Paredes, bautizada en Silao en 1626 y casó con Ignacio de la Cueva y Rebollar, de este matrimonio descienden las familias Franco de la Cueva.
4-. la cuarta hija fué Matiana de Paredes, bautizada en Silao en 1628, casó ahi mismo en 1644 con Matias Vélazquez de la Rocha, formando las familias Velazquez de la Rocha, en el estado de Guanajuato, principalmente en Silao y las minas de Guanajuato.
5-. el quinto hijo fué Capitan Alonso Franco de Paredes que fupe bautizado en Silao en el año de 1630, y casó con Clara de Quijas y Escalante, formando la familia FRanco de Escalante, en Silao.
6-. y comno sexa hija fué Luisa de Paredes y Montoya que fué bautizada en Silao como sus otros hermanos en 1632, y casó ahi mismno con Alonso Pérez Torillo, que formaron las familias: Férez-Franco y Pérez de Paredes. y en la cual su descendencia se multiplico en los que es la Region de los Altos de Jalisco, principalmente en los municipios de Jalostotitlán, San Juan de los Lagos, San Miguel el Alto, Valle de Guadalupe, Tepatitlan, Cañadas de Obregon, y en los demas municipios.
Cabe hacer la aclaración que en ese tiempo no habia regla alguna para heredar los apellidos ya que podrian tener cualquira de los apellidos de lsos abuelos y en ocasiones de los bisabuelos o tambien de los patrones.
Esperando sea de utilidad lo antes escrito, me despido con un cordial saludo.
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> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: mendezdelcamino@live.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:55:13 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia Alteña-Franco de Paredes, Pérez y Franco, Pérez de Paredes> > > I came across a board on genealogy.com and other webpages from google that say these three families are somehow related but never mention exactly how. I do know that Pérez y Franco and Pérez de Paredes are related becuase the couple of Silão, Gto. in the 1600's had three sons two were given Pérez y Franco and the other Pérez de Paredes. Any Help? -Daniel MDC> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hola Jose Maria,mi llamo Ronnie Reynoso,soy California pero mis antepasados eran de Los Altos ,Aguascalientes y Zacatecas. Lo que tengo yo , que leonor Hermosillo ,hija de Juan Gonzalez de Hermosilo y Maria Munoz estaba casada con Miguel Gutierrez Rubio 1609 en Jalos. Hay chansa que Leonor Hermosillo se volvio a casar ?
Ronniec Reynoso-> From: josema.vallejo@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org; mendezdelcamino@live.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:55:43 -0500> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] RE: Familia Alteña-Franco de Paredes, Pérez y Franco, Pérez de Paredes> > > Primeramente quisiera presentarme: mi nombre es José María Vallejo Mercado, soy originario de Jalostotitlán, Jal., y soy aficionado a la genealogía, y aunque en mis 8 apellidos no tenga el apellido Pérez, si aparece en los 16, ya que una de mis tatarabuelas maternas de nombre María del Refugio Pérez Rábago, hija de José Ascención Pérez y de Ignacia Rábago.> > María del Refugio Pérez Rábago casó con Bernardo Tostado Gutiérrez, ( son mis tarabuelos maternos): ellos fueron padres de Paula Tostado Pérez, que casó con José Eduviges Mercado Fernandez, estos ultimos fueron padres de Marcelino Mercado Tostado, que casó con Dionicia Padilla Covarrubias, padres de mi madre María de los Angeles Mercado Padilla, que casó con Andrés Vallejo Vallejo, padres de José María Vallejo Mercado, ( un servidor).> > Como se puede apreciar no existe en la región personas que seamos criollas, ( esto es descendientes de españoles nacidos en México.) que no tengamos un apellido como: González, Gutiérrez, Padilla, Romo, Jiménez, Reynoso, Ramírez, Pérez, etcetera, puesto que fuerón los que poblaron toda la meseta de los altos y estados circunvecinos. > > Familia Pérez-Franco, Perez de Paredes, Franco de Paredes.> > El trongo genealigico que dió origen a las familias que arriba mencióno fué: Blas de Paredes, que murio en Silao el 27 abril de 1651, antes habia casado con Beatriz de Castilleja, y al quedar viudo volvio a casar con Ana María Franco de Montoya, que murio el 4 de junio de 1660. > > Del primer matrimonio de Blas de Paredes con Beatriz de Castilleja, tuvieron un hijo que fué Juan Castro de Paredes, que casó en primeras nupcias con María González de Rubalcaba de Rubalcaba y Rodas, en Lagos de Moreno en 1650, de ahi vienen las familias González de Paredes, de Silao, y en segundas nupcias Juan casó con Josefa de Figueroa y Bañuelos, de ahi provienen la familia Castro Figueroa, en Silao. > En su segundo matrimon de Blas de Paredes con Ana María Franco de MOntoya, tubieron los siguientes hijos:> > 1-. Nicolasa de Paredes, bautizada en Valaldolid hoy Morelia, capital del estado de Michoacan en 1619. > 2-. Padro FRanco de Paredes, bautizado en Silao, Guanajuato, en 1624, y murio en Jalostotitlán, Jal. ( de donde es un Servidor), casó con Leonor de Hermosillo y Talavera, descendiente de los primeros pobladores de Jalostotitlán, Jal. ( el matrimonio formado por JUan de González de Hermosillo y María Muñoz.) de este matrimonio provienen la familia Franco de Paredes, de la Nueva Galicia, que ahora son: los Estados de Jalisco, parte de Guanajuato, Aguascalientes, parte de Michoacan, parte de Zacatecas y parte de Nayarit.).> > 3., La tercer hija (o), fue: Tomasina FRanco de Paredes, bautizada en Silao en 1626 y casó con Ignacio de la Cueva y Rebollar, de este matrimonio descienden las familias Franco de la Cueva.> > 4-. la cuarta hija fué Matiana de Paredes, bautizada en Silao en 1628, casó ahi mismo en 1644 con Matias Vélazquez de la Rocha, formando las familias Velazquez de la Rocha, en el estado de Guanajuato, principalmente en Silao y las minas de Guanajuato. > > 5-. el quinto hijo fué Capitan Alonso Franco de Paredes que fupe bautizado en Silao en el año de 1630, y casó con Clara de Quijas y Escalante, formando la familia FRanco de Escalante, en Silao.> > 6-. y comno sexa hija fué Luisa de Paredes y Montoya que fué bautizada en Silao como sus otros hermanos en 1632, y casó ahi mismno con Alonso Pérez Torillo, que formaron las familias: Férez-Franco y Pérez de Paredes. y en la cual su descendencia se multiplico en los que es la Region de los Altos de Jalisco, principalmente en los municipios de Jalostotitlán, San Juan de los Lagos, San Miguel el Alto, Valle de Guadalupe, Tepatitlan, Cañadas de Obregon, y en los demas municipios. > > Cabe hacer la aclaración que en ese tiempo no habia regla alguna para heredar los apellidos ya que podrian tener cualquira de los apellidos de lsos abuelos y en ocasiones de los bisabuelos o tambien de los patrones. > > Esperando sea de utilidad lo antes escrito, me despido con un cordial saludo.> > Atte.> José María Vallejo Mercado.> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: mendezdelcamino@live.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:55:13 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia Alteña-Franco de Paredes, Pérez y Franco, Pérez de Paredes> > > I came across a board on genealogy.com and other webpages from google that say these three families are somehow related but never mention exactly how. I do know that Pérez y Franco and Pérez de Paredes are related becuase the couple of Silão, Gto. in the 1600's had three sons two were given Pérez y Franco and the other Pérez de Paredes. Any Help? -Daniel MDC> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> _________________________________________________________________> P.D. Checa las nuevas fotos de mi Space> http://home.services.spaces.live.com/> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hola Ronnie, me da gusto escribirte y a la vez saludarte, y aprovecho para aclararte la duda que tienes, es muy comun que en una familia haya homonimos esto es que se llamen igual, pero en este cado no es homonimo ya que el apellido materno es Talavera y te lo voy a explicar.:
Juan González Hermosillo casó con María Muñoz, primeros pobledores de Jalost y la Meseta.
Juan y María Muñoz tubieron 8 hijos y fueron:
1-. Gonzalo de Hermosillo, que murio antes de 1628.
2-. Juan González Hermosillo II, (homonimo del padre) casó Ana González Florida II, (homonima de la madre) hija de Francisco Gutiérrez Rubio y Ana González Florida, por consiguientes hermana Ana la hija de Miguel Gutiérrez Rubio.
3-. Teresa González de Hermosillo, casó Con Silvestre Camacho Riquelme.
4-. Diego Alonso del Pedroso y Hermosillo cas´ó con Paula de Torres.
5-. Beatriz de Hermosillo casó con JUan de Aceves.
6-. Leonor de Hermosillo casó Miguel Gutiérrez Rubio, Miguel hermana de Ana González Florida II, hijos los dos de FRancisco Gutiérrez Rubio I y Ana González Florida I.
7-. FRancisco Muñoz Cabeza o Muñoz de Hermosillo, casó con FRancisca de Torres, hermana de Paula de Torres, hija a su vez de Nicolas Ramirez y de Polonia de Torres.
8-. Cristobal Muñoz de Hermosillo casó con Leonor de Talavera, ESTOS FUERON LOS PADRES DE LEONOR DE HERMOSILLO Y TALAVERA, esposa de Pedro FRanco de Paredes que fué bautizado el 18 de junio de 1624, que tambien tubieron la Hacienda de la Labor de MIrandillas, en el actual municipio de San Miguel el Alto.
Por conclución tenemos que Leonor de Hermosillo era la hermana de Cristobal Muñoz de Hermosillo, padre de Leonor de Hermosillo y Talavera.
Ya que Leonor de Hermosillo fue bautizada en Jalos aproximadamente en 1588, y Pedro Franco de Paredes fue bautizado en Silao el 18 de Junio de 1624, esposo de Leonor Hermosillo y Talavera, una diferencia de más de 36 años.
Sin más de moemnto y esperando haya aclarado tu duda estoy a tus ordenes sobre el particular.
Recibe saludos.
ATTE.
Chema Vallejo
> From: chilerey@msn.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:02:32 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] RE: RE: Familia Alteña-Franco de Paredes, Pérez y Franco, Pérez de Paredes> > > Hola Jose Maria,mi llamo Ronnie Reynoso,soy California pero mis antepasados eran de Los Altos ,Aguascalientes y Zacatecas. Lo que tengo yo , que leonor Hermosillo ,hija de Juan Gonzalez de Hermosilo y Maria Munoz estaba casada con Miguel Gutierrez Rubio 1609 en Jalos. Hay chansa que Leonor Hermosillo se volvio a casar ? > Ronniec Reynoso-> From: josema.vallejo@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org; mendezdelcamino@live.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:55:43 -0500> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] RE: Familia Alteña-Franco de Paredes, Pérez y Franco, Pérez de Paredes> > > Primeramente quisiera presentarme: mi nombre es José María Vallejo Mercado, soy originario de Jalostotitlán, Jal., y soy aficionado a la genealogía, y aunque en mis 8 apellidos no tenga el apellido Pérez, si aparece en los 16, ya que una de mis tatarabuelas maternas de nombre María del Refugio Pérez Rábago, hija de José Ascención Pérez y de Ignacia Rábago.> > María del Refugio Pérez Rábago casó con Bernardo Tostado Gutiérrez, ( son mis tarabuelos maternos): ellos fueron padres de Paula Tostado Pérez, que casó con José Eduviges Mercado Fernandez, estos ultimos fueron padres de Marcelino Mercado Tostado, que casó con Dionicia Padilla Covarrubias, padres de mi madre María de los Angeles Mercado Padilla, que casó con Andrés Vallejo Vallejo, padres de José María Vallejo Mercado, ( un servidor).> > Como se puede apreciar no existe en la región personas que seamos criollas, ( esto es descendientes de españoles nacidos en México.) que no tengamos un apellido como: González, Gutiérrez, Padilla, Romo, Jiménez, Reynoso, Ramírez, Pérez, etcetera, puesto que fuerón los que poblaron toda la meseta de los altos y estados circunvecinos. > > Familia Pérez-Franco, Perez de Paredes, Franco de Paredes.> > El trongo genealigico que dió origen a las familias que arriba mencióno fué: Blas de Paredes, que murio en Silao el 27 abril de 1651, antes habia casado con Beatriz de Castilleja, y al quedar viudo volvio a casar con Ana María Franco de Montoya, que murio el 4 de junio de 1660. > > Del primer matrimonio de Blas de Paredes con Beatriz de Castilleja, tuvieron un hijo que fué Juan Castro de Paredes, que casó en primeras nupcias con María González de Rubalcaba de Rubalcaba y Rodas, en Lagos de Moreno en 1650, de ahi vienen las familias González de Paredes, de Silao, y en segundas nupcias Juan casó con Josefa de Figueroa y Bañuelos, de ahi provienen la familia Castro Figueroa, en Silao. > En su segundo matrimon de Blas de Paredes con Ana María Franco de MOntoya, tubieron los siguientes hijos:> > 1-. Nicolasa de Paredes, bautizada en Valaldolid hoy Morelia, capital del estado de Michoacan en 1619. > 2-. Padro FRanco de Paredes, bautizado en Silao, Guanajuato, en 1624, y murio en Jalostotitlán, Jal. ( de donde es un Servidor), casó con Leonor de Hermosillo y Talavera, descendiente de los primeros pobladores de Jalostotitlán, Jal. ( el matrimonio formado por JUan de González de Hermosillo y María Muñoz.) de este matrimonio provienen la familia Franco de Paredes, de la Nueva Galicia, que ahora son: los Estados de Jalisco, parte de Guanajuato, Aguascalientes, parte de Michoacan, parte de Zacatecas y parte de Nayarit.).> > 3., La tercer hija (o), fue: Tomasina FRanco de Paredes, bautizada en Silao en 1626 y casó con Ignacio de la Cueva y Rebollar, de este matrimonio descienden las familias Franco de la Cueva.> > 4-. la cuarta hija fué Matiana de Paredes, bautizada en Silao en 1628, casó ahi mismo en 1644 con Matias Vélazquez de la Rocha, formando las familias Velazquez de la Rocha, en el estado de Guanajuato, principalmente en Silao y las minas de Guanajuato. > > 5-. el quinto hijo fué Capitan Alonso Franco de Paredes que fupe bautizado en Silao en el año de 1630, y casó con Clara de Quijas y Escalante, formando la familia FRanco de Escalante, en Silao.> > 6-. y comno sexa hija fué Luisa de Paredes y Montoya que fué bautizada en Silao como sus otros hermanos en 1632, y casó ahi mismno con Alonso Pérez Torillo, que formaron las familias: Férez-Franco y Pérez de Paredes. y en la cual su descendencia se multiplico en los que es la Region de los Altos de Jalisco, principalmente en los municipios de Jalostotitlán, San Juan de los Lagos, San Miguel el Alto, Valle de Guadalupe, Tepatitlan, Cañadas de Obregon, y en los demas municipios. > > Cabe hacer la aclaración que en ese tiempo no habia regla alguna para heredar los apellidos ya que podrian tener cualquira de los apellidos de lsos abuelos y en ocasiones de los bisabuelos o tambien de los patrones. > > Esperando sea de utilidad lo antes escrito, me despido con un cordial saludo.> > Atte.> José María Vallejo Mercado.> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: mendezdelcamino@live.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:55:13 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia Alteña-Franco de Paredes, Pérez y Franco, Pérez de Paredes> > > I came across a board on genealogy.com and other webpages from google that say these three families are somehow related but never mention exactly how. I do know that Pérez y Franco and Pérez de Paredes are related becuase the couple of Silão, Gto. in the 1600's had three sons two were given Pérez y Franco and the other Pérez de Paredes. Any Help? -Daniel MDC> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> _________________________________________________________________> P.D. Checa las nuevas fotos de mi Space> http://home.services.spaces.live.com/> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> _________________________________________________________________> You live life beyond your PC. 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I have thoroughly enjoyed my time in this great group, but it is time for me to move in another direction. I met great people on this site, and heard great stories, tales, etc. and enjoyed people talking about finding new "primos", etc. However, my search takes me back to a much later date than most of the ones on the site. I am actually envious of the many people that go back and forth to see and visit the land of their ancestors. Wish I could do that too, but mine left generations ago to Northern Mexico and then into South Texas, that everyone lost track of the people left behind.
Hello Juanita! I wish you not unsubscribe but still enjoy reading and participate the joys mostly, but if there is something as important that you have to do so well I also wish you the best for any journey you wish to walk.
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Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] signing off
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Fecha: lunes, 20 octubre, 2008, 1:53 pm
I have thoroughly enjoyed my time in this great group, but it is time for me to
move in another direction. I met great people on this site, and heard great
stories, tales, etc. and enjoyed people talking about finding new
"primos", etc. However, my search takes me back to a much later date
than most of the ones on the site. I am actually envious of the many people that
go back and forth to see and visit the land of their ancestors. Wish I could do
that too, but mine left generations ago to Northern Mexico and then into South
Texas, that everyone lost track of the people left behind.
So I thank the people that answered some questions for me, and good luck on
your searching!
Respectfully,
Juanita
Where do I unsuscribe? Thanks!
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Hi Juanita ,
I'm also doing my searches in the north of Mexico , especially in Monterrey and some parts of Coahuila .
My Alvarados' , de la Garzas', Rodrigues de Montemayor , Saldivar and the list goes on and on came from Zacatecas and ended up here .
Don't give up the ship just yet , why don't you just put it on hold for a spell and continue your search in the north . Let me know and I will help you in these parts of the woods .
Juanita , genealogist are a small group of great people . Keep all the bridges you've come to know and expand your knowledge of them to others .
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( from the other down under , Monterrey , Mexico )
>> > I have thoroughly enjoyed my time in this great group, but it is time for me to move in another direction. I met great people on this site, and heard great stories, tales, etc. and enjoyed people talking about finding new "primos", etc. However, my search takes me back to a much later date than most of the ones on the site. I am actually envious of the many people that go back and forth to see and visit the land of their ancestors. Wish I could do that too, but mine left generations ago to Northern Mexico and then into South Texas, that everyone lost track of the people left behind.> > So I thank the people that answered some questions for me, and good luck on your searching!> > Respectfully,> > Juanita> > Where do I unsuscribe? Thanks!>
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Daniel Mendez del Camino
Daniel,
I will appreciate any more information you can post about Jalpa, Zacatecas. I have a relative born there (Juana Caro-Esquivel, b. 20 Nov 1912) for whom I have nothing else other than her parents names (F: Leonides Caro Fraire, M: Maria-Luisa Esquivel-Gonzalez). I believe they were from Las Paradas or La Parada, Zacatecas. Is there any local history you can post about Jalpa?
Elvira,
>From an information point of view, have you check out the town's website, Jalpa, Zac.com?
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> Daniel Mendez del Camino
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> Daniel,
>
> I will appreciate any more information you can post about Jalpa, Zacatecas. I
> have a relative born there (Juana Caro-Esquivel, b. 20 Nov 1912) for whom I have
> nothing else other than her parents names (F: Leonides Caro Fraire, M:
> Maria-Luisa Esquivel-Gonzalez). I believe they were from Las Paradas or La
> Parada, Zacatecas. Is there any local history you can post about Jalpa?
>
> Elvira
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Daniel you should try getting in contact with the mian church Sr. de Jalpa,
they have records from 1909 and forth.
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Alessandro/Amerila , I didn't forget about you. Actually the records I have
from Jalpa are from 1884 to 1903. There are definitely Vitelas and Macias in
Jalpa. Wish I could be of more help.
Amelia if you say your grandmotehr died in 1960, then that is fairly recent
I can be of help but only in guidance, Jalpa is an interesting place of history and border confusion,
Jalpa belongs to the Parish of Tabasco, zac a little more north of Huanusco. Also Jalpa use to be
part of Huanusco before being broken into two. I use to have tabasco films and found A LOT of people
from Jalpa in the south. Just because a place is limited films doesnt mean people didnt travel far to get
baptised. Always check the surrounding parishes for clues. Just my thoughts. -Daniel MDC
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Thank you Daniel, I will consider this point you mentioned.
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Ser de Luz!!!> From: mendezdelcamino@live.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:18:38 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] EL LINK> > > I can be of help but only in guidance, Jalpa is an interesting place of history and border confusion, > Jalpa belongs to the Parish of Tabasco, zac a little more north of Huanusco. Also Jalpa use to be > part of Huanusco before being broken into two. I use to have tabasco films and found A LOT of people> from Jalpa in the south. Just because a place is limited films doesnt mean people didnt travel far to get> baptised. Always check the surrounding parishes for clues. Just my thoughts. -Daniel MDC> _________________________________________________________________> Got Game? Win Prizes in the Windows Live Hotmail Mobile Summer Games Trivia Contest> http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergames?ocid=TXT_TAGHM> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Thanks Mercedes:
I'd like to ask you if by chance in your reccords you have or have seen Juana Petra VITELA VILLARREAL born abt 1892 in Jalpa, her parents were: Francisco VITELA and Juana VILLARREAL SALAS. Also if you have marriage reccords there could be Francisco and Juana's marriage abt 1890. Francisco's parents were Gorgonio or Aurelio VITELA, and Fermina or Emigdia LOPEZ.
Unfortunately I don't have any sibling for Francisco Vitela, but according to the civil registrations of his sons he says he is from Jalpa and that he was born in 1866-68.
About Juana Villarreal I do have siblings who were born in Rancho de Ayo, Jalpa, Zac. or just Jalpa, and they were the following: Carmen, Trinidad, Natividad, Maria and my Juana that was born in 1877 in Jalpa. Her pareents were Juan Villarreal and Dionisia Salas also from there. I don't know if Juana was the oldest or youngest, but her parents could be married abt. 1870-75
Hope all this information be helpful to find their roots, and that you or anyone can help me too.
Thank you Mercedes in advance.
LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA
Ser de Luz!!!> From: MecheChavez@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:35:42 -0400> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] EL LINK> > Alessandro/Amerila , I didn't forget about you. Actually the records I have > from Jalpa are from 1884 to 1903. There are definitely Vitelas and Macias in > Jalpa. Wish I could be of more help.> > Amelia if you say your grandmotehr died in 1960, then that is fairly recent > and you probably can get that from civil records in Jalpa. If you have any > friends or relatives in Jalpa, I suggest you ask them for that great favor.> > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Alessandro, I will look for the below in the civil records. Here is the
issue, the years do have an index and if Juana Petra is on the index then it will
be easy to find. However, the index is mostly not always accurate, e.i. my
grandfather was listed incorrectly and I had to go through each record to find
him. I will definitely look at the index and if I find it I will let you know.
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Thank you Mercedes, I will appreciate it very much, hope you finf her.
Best regards.
LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA
Ser de Luz!!!> From: MecheChavez@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:39:28 -0400> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] EL LINK> > Alessandro, I will look for the below in the civil records. Here is the > issue, the years do have an index and if Juana Petra is on the index then it will > be easy to find. However, the index is mostly not always accurate, e.i. my > grandfather was listed incorrectly and I had to go through each record to find > him. I will definitely look at the index and if I find it I will let you know.> > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hey, Alessandro, I opened your file, but I was unable to find your Apodaca ancestors. En que pagina se encuentran?
Saludos
Steve
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Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 2:27 PM
Thank you Mercedes, I will appreciate it very much, hope you finf her.
Best regards.
LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA
Ser de Luz!!!> From: MecheChavez@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:39:28
-0400> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]
EL LINK> > Alessandro, I will look for the below in the civil records.
Here is the > issue, the years do have an index and if Juana Petra is on the
index then it will > be easy to find. However, the index is mostly not always
accurate, e.i. my > grandfather was listed incorrectly and I had to go
through each record to find > him. I will definitely look at the index and if
I find it I will let you know.> > > **************New MapQuest Local
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Alessandro, I looked in the civil birth records index from 1891 - 1893. I
did not see a Juana Vitela listed. This is not to say it is not there, as I
mentioned the index is mostly but not always correct, or perhaps you have the
wrong year.
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Thank you Mercedes, I'll keep searching. I'm afraid the year is correct.
LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA
Ser de Luz!!!> From: MecheChavez@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:38:29 -0400> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] EL LINK> > Alessandro, I looked in the civil birth records index from 1891 - 1893. I > did not see a Juana Vitela listed. This is not to say it is not there, as I > mentioned the index is mostly but not always correct, or perhaps you have the > wrong year.> **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hola primos investigadores .
He recibido este correo , que me parece interesante, lo comparto pues creo que puede ser de ayuda en sus investigaciones o como conocimiento general.
He aprendido muchas cosas interesantes en cada una de sus participaciones, las que leo con mucho interes todos los dìas.
Has anyone heard of this book "Venerable libro de la Cofradía de Santiago de Burgos", it contains all the ancestors of the González de Hermosillo at least in the male line back to the 1200's. I think we should track this book down.
here are some libraries that own a book that looks like the below with a
slightly different name. Further down are other similarly named books:
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US,CA GETTY RES INST JPG
US,CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, BERKELEY CUY
US,CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, MERCED MERUC
US,CA UNIV OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA CSL
US,DC LIBRARY OF CONGRESS DLC
US,FL FLORIDA STATE UNIV FDA
US,FL UNIV OF MIAMI FQG
US,MA HARVARD UNIV, HARVARD COL LIBR HLS
US,NJ PRINCETON UNIV PUL
US,NV UNIV OF NEVADA, RENO NNY
US,VA UNIV OF VIRGINIA VA@
Germany STAATS & UNIVERSITATSBIBLIOTHEK HAMBURG H6U
Mexico UNIVERSIDAD AUTONOMA DE YUCATAN MXYUC
Netherlands UNIV OF GRONINGEN GRU
United Kingdom CAMBRIDGE UNIV CUD
United Kingdom NATIONAL ART LIBR VICTORIA & ALBERT MUS AVA
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Title: El libro de la Cofradía de Santiago de Burgos :
primera reproducción facsímil, en color, del más antiguo armorial
ecuestre que se conoce, manuscrito y miniado durante los siglos XIV al
XVII /
Author(s): Menéndez Pidal de Navascués, Faustino.
Corp Author(s): Cofradía de Santiago de Burgos.
Publication: Bilbao : La Gran Enciclopedia Vasca,
Year: 1977
Description: 243 p. : ill. (some col.) ; 28 cm.
Language: Spanish
Standard No: ISBN: 8424803116; 9788424803117 LCCN: 78-397907
SUBJECT(S)
Descriptor: Heraldry -- Spain.
Named Corp: Cofradía de Santiago de Burgos.
Note(s): Summaries in English, French, and German./ Includes
bibliographical references and indexes.
Class Descriptors: LC: CR4529.S7; Dewey: 929.6
Responsibility: edición preparada por Faustino Menéndez Pidal de
Navascués ; prólogo de Dalmiro de la Valgoma y Díaz-Varela.
Document Type: Book
Entry: 19790302
Update: 20070317
Accession No: OCLC: 4805843
Database: WorldCat
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US,CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, BERKELEY CUY
US,CT YALE UNIV LIBR YUS
US,FL UNIV OF FLORIDA FUG
US,MD JOHNS HOPKINS UNIV JHE
US,MN SAINT JOHNS UNIV MNJ
US,NY NEW YORK PUB LIBR RES LIBR NYP
US,RI BROWN UNIV RBN
CA,ON UNIV OF TORONTO ROBARTS LIBRARY UTO
Spain IBERBOOK INT, S L I5B
Spain PUVILL LIBROS S A PL#
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Title: El libro de la cofradía de Santiago :
caballería medieval burgalesa /
Author(s): Menéndez Pidal de Navascués, Faustino.
Publication: [Cádiz] : Universidad de Cádiz ; [Burgos] : Universidad
de Burgos,
Year: 1996
Description: 222 p. : ill. (chiefly col.) ; 32 cm.
Language: Spanish
Standard No: ISBN: 8477863172; 9788477863175
SUBJECT(S)
Descriptor: Heraldry -- Spain.
Orders of knighthood and chivalry -- Spain.
Named Corp: Cofradía de Santiago de Burgos.
Note(s): Includes bibliographical references and indexes.
Class Descriptors: LC: CR4529.S7
Other Titles: Caballería medieval burgalesa
Responsibility: F. Menéndez Pidal de Navascués ; prólogo de Eloy
Benito Ruano ; introducción de Eduardo Pardo de Guevara.
Vendor Info: Puvill Libros Iberbook International S.L. (PUVL IBER)
$42.93 P5200
Document Type: Book
Entry: 19960522
Update: 20070319
Accession No: OCLC: 34890564
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Title: Libro de la Cofradía de Caballeros de Santiago de la
Fuente,fundada por los burgaleses en tiempo de D. Alfonso XI :
noticia bibliografica /
Author(s): Uhagón y Guardamino, Francisco Rafael de, marqués de
Laurencín, 1858-1927.
Corp Author(s): Cofradía de Santiago de Burgos.
Publication: Madrid : Tip. de la Revista de archivos, bibliotecas y
museos,
Year: 1904
Description: 42 p. : ill. ; 25 cm.
Language: Spanish
Series: Variation: Harvard Western European local history
preservation microfilm project ;; 01287.
SUBJECT(S)
Named Corp: Cofradía de Santiago de Burgos.
Note(s): "De la 'Revista de archivos, bibliotecas y museos.'"/
Reproduction: Microfilm./ Cambridge, Mass. :/ Harvard University Library
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Libro de la Cofradía de Caballeros de Santiago de la Fuente, fundada
por los burgaleses en tiempo de D. Alfonso XI :
noticia bibliográfica /
Francisco Rafael de Uhagón y Guardamino, marqués de Laurencín
1904
Spanish Book Book 42 p. : ill. ; 25 cm.
Madrid : Tip. de la Revista de archivos, bibliotecas y museos,
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Title: Libro de la Cofradía de Caballeros de Santiago de la Fuente,
fundada por los burgaleses en tiempo de D. Alfonso XI :
noticia bibliográfica /
Author(s): Uhagón y Guardamino, Francisco Rafael de, marqués de
Laurencín, 1858-1927.
Corp Author(s): Cofradía de Santiago de Burgos.
Publication: Madrid : Tip. de la Revista de archivos, bibliotecas y
museos,
Year: 1904
Description: 42 p. : ill. ; 25 cm.
Language: Spanish
Series: Variation: Harvard Western European local history
preservation microfilm project ;; 01287.
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Responsibility: por el Marqués de Laurencín.
Document Type: Book
Entry: 19960814
Update: 20080502
Accession No: OCLC: 82527326
Database: WorldCat
mendezdelcamino wrote:
>
> Has anyone heard of this book "Venerable libro de la Cofradía de
> Santiago de Burgos", it contains all the ancestors of the González de
> Hermosillo at least in the male line back to the 1200's. I think we
> should track this book down. I think there is only one in the actual
> Caterdral de Burgos, worth traveling to Spain even just to look at it.
> The family is on section 18. Any comments or help!-Daniel MDC
Hello to all , my ggrandfather Tomas Villalobos was married to my ggrandmother Carmen De Los Santos (we think this was her name ) she died in child birth with my grandmother Jacoba (1901)who married my grandfather Jose Olivar, I am looking for any help with this as I have no information on the Villalobos side of my family.
It could be helpful to search in the census Mexico 1930, maybe this living relative appears in it or any other relative that give you a guide. Are you familiar with the census?
Leticia Leon
--- El dom 28-sep-08, tiffany escribió:
De:: tiffany
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tomas Villalobos
A: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: domingo, 28 septiembre, 2008, 12:36 pm
Hello to all , my ggrandfather Tomas Villalobos was married to my ggrandmother
Carmen De Los Santos (we think this was her name ) she died in child birth with
my grandmother Jacoba (1901)who married my grandfather Jose Olivar, I am looking
for any help with this as I have no information on the Villalobos side of my
family. On of my Aunt's says there could be a relative Pedro living in
Jalos, but I don't know. Juan C. could we be related. Thanks to all for
maybe the next clue in my search. Cecilia
Maria, I have a connection to Maria de Jesus Villalobos I think from Atotonilco, Jal and married Epefanio Guiterrez. Maria crossed the border at Laredo, Texas in 1919, destination San Antonio, Texas on Oct 30, 1919. Her birth date shows abt 1893. Any connection to your Jose Maria Villalobos?
YoliMat
Hi Yoli,
Thanks for checking against your Villalobos line, but it doesn't sound like
they connect (at least not in the time frame you mention). My Villalobos
were born in the 1780's and baptized in San Juan de Los Lagos. I found
Joseff Jualian Villalobos' (Jose Maria's brother) baptismal record on the
IGI, batch #C603386 dated 30 Jan 1780.
Maria
> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:03:23 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Yoli Matranga
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Villalobos
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID: <638294.27242.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Maria, I have a connection to Maria de Jesus Villalobos I think from
> Atotonilco, Jal and married Epefanio Guiterrez. Maria crossed the border at
> Laredo, Texas in 1919, destination San Antonio, Texas on Oct 30, 1919. Her
> birth date shows abt 1893. Any connection to your Jose Maria Villalobos?
>
> YoliMat
>
>
> ****************************************
>
Hi Maria,
I was hoping there was a linkage. Thanks.
Yoli
----- Original Message ----
From: mcortez
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 9:55:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Villalobos
Hi Yoli,
Thanks for checking against your Villalobos line, but it doesn't sound like
they connect (at least not in the time frame you mention). My Villalobos
were born in the 1780's and baptized in San Juan de Los Lagos. I found
Joseff Jualian Villalobos' (Jose Maria's brother) baptismal record on the
IGI, batch #C603386 dated 30 Jan 1780.
Maria
> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:03:23 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Yoli Matranga
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Villalobos
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID: <638294.27242.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Maria, I have a connection to Maria de Jesus Villalobos I think from
> Atotonilco, Jal and married Epefanio Guiterrez. Maria crossed the border at
> Laredo, Texas in 1919, destination San Antonio, Texas on Oct 30, 1919. Her
> birth date shows abt 1893. Any connection to your Jose Maria Villalobos?
>
> YoliMat
>
>
> ****************************************
>
--- On Wed, 10/15/08, yotomas@yahoo.com wrote:
From: yotomas@yahoo.com
Subject: WWII-era Mexican workers can get back pay
To: yotomas@yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 7:21 PM
Hola primos altenos, quisiera saber si entre alguno de ustedes existe algun ancestro RODRIGUEZ de SAN MIGUEL EL ALTO, en especial de los ranchos de EL ASTILLERO, EL BUCHE, LAS PRESITAS o LOS CHARCOS. Al parecer, todos estas localidades se encuentran cerca de lo que hoy se llama SANTA MARIA DEL VALLE, municipio San Miguel el Alto y tambien de Arandas.
Hello Rudy,
Per my father, names such as Guadalupe, Jesus, Refugio, Trinidad
etc., often had the first name Maria or Jose inserted before to specify
the sex of the person. For example, Jose Guadalupe vs. Maria Guadalupe;
Hello,
Those of you who are researching Villalobos, please let me know if you have
any information on this family:
Jose Segundo Villalobos m. Maria Ynes Medina about 1775 in San Juan de los
Lagos, Jalisco.
Maria,
I have a connection to Maria de Jesus Villalobos I think from Atotonilco, Jal and married Epefanio Guiterrez. Maria crossed the border at Laredo, Texas, destination San Antonio, Texas on Oct 30, 1919. Her birth date shows abt 1893. Any connection to your Jose Maria Villalobos?
My nino was my Uncle Jose Refugio Puentes who married my nina Francis.
I'm not related to her side of the family but doing some research on her
branch. I ordered the photocopies from SLC and they arrived today. Below
is the information on the records. Can the members of the group that
have roots in the San Juan de Los Lagos area check your databases and
see if any of the below names tie into your genealogy:
Teodoro Marquez was born in Rancho del Ocote (sp), San Juan de Los Lagos
in about in about 1844 his parents were Celso Marquez and Jesus de Anda.
Teodoro Married Antonia Munoz in 1871. She was born Rancho del Ocote,
San Juan de Los Lagos in about 1855 her parents were Filomeno Munoz and
Sebastiana Marquez.
the padrinos for their marriage were Carlos Marquez and Martiana Marquez.
in 1872 they had a child named Saturina whose padrinos were Carlos
Marquez and Martiana Marquez.
in 1874 they had a child named Estanislao who was the grandfather of my
nina and whose padrinos were Martin Torres and Cleta Marquez??? (last
name hard to read)
Estanislao according to "oral history" married a Teodora but his birth
record in the margin says,
"Estanislao caso en esta paroquia en segundas nupias con Maria Marques 4
Sept 1945" (he would have been 71 years old).
thanks,
joseph
ps: according to familysearch.org we find:
TEODORO MARQUEZ ANDA Pedigree
15 NOV 1846 San Juan De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico
Father: CELSO MARQUEZ Family
Mother: MA. JESUS DE ANDA
C603399 1846 - 1850 0220659
So unless someone already knows this information I guess this will be
the next round of photocopies I need to order.
====================
Joseph Puentes
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Genealogy)
Following the principle of documenting each generation and looking for "who's your daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, etc.",
I've discovered and documented 18 generations and bridged it to Spain. When in doubt, I ordered the microfilm of Mexico's church records of baptismsm, marriages, and public records to verify my research.
Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget your " Nuestros
ranchos" cousins.
Only one point. The royalty papers of the foundation of The city of San Luis
Potosi, said that, was founded on November the 3th of 1592 by: Capitan
Miguel Caldera and Juan De Oñate (who was later New Mexico Gubernator), and
the royalty writer was Pedro Venegas.
In April 1593, Juan De Oñate gave city land to the first people.
The land was separated to the next people: Hernando De Escobedo (Your
GGGGGGGGGGGGGGF),Tomas Rudor, Alonso De Velasco, Jeronimo de Cabrera, Manuel
Jorge, Juan Ramirez and Hernando Sanchez Urdiales, Ana de Toledo, and
others.
Hernando Jr, was there, but he didn´t stay in the foundation papers.
If you need information, I am from San Luis Potosi, and I have several books
that talk about this
Regards
Cristobal Villalobos
-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Joseph de
Leon
Enviado el: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2008 11:26 p.m.
Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help
at NuestrosRanchos
Following the principle of documenting each generation and looking for
"who's your daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, etc.",
I've discovered and documented 18 generations and bridged it to Spain. When
in doubt, I ordered the microfilm of Mexico's church records of baptismsm,
marriages, and public records to verify my research.
2 sets of 11th Great Grandparents from Spain.
My 11th Great Grandparents' (Hernando de Escobedo (b. abt. 1520) and Leonor
Juairez from Spain) son Hernando, Jr. (b. abt 1542) married my other 11th
Great Gtandparents' (Alonso de Illescas (b. abt. 1520) and Bernadina Diaz)
daughter Mari. Henando, Jr. and Mari left from Toledo, Spain and arrived
at Nueva Espana (Mexico) on 24 March 1568. In abt. 1571 he discovered rich
gold mines (now named Santo Domingo). In abt. 1593 he founded the city of
San Luis Potosi.
Hernando, Jr. and his son Francisco, a Spanish Captain, (b. abt. 1569 in
Zacatecas, Zacatecas) founded Jerez, Zacatecas and his son founded Monte
Escobedo. Apparently Francisco received 1/4 of his father's property. and
in today's money that was probably more than what Bill Gates is worth.
Now if I could only figure out how to claim a lil' bit of that fortune!
Ha! Ha!
Thanks, Primo!
When it rains it pours!
It appears that I've discovered generations # 19 and #20 via Francisco de Escobedo's wife Maria de Covarrubias. They appear to be mostly in Seville and Granada Spain.
I suppose it's easier when it's the ancestors of Monte Escobedo -- famous people have their pedigrees well documented!
My head is spinning from all the available data!
P. S. I have some Villalobos in my family line as well.Jose Carlos de Leon
EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me
> From: jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:25:54 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos> > Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget your " Nuestros> ranchos" cousins.
Greetings, Do you have any info on Cap Miguel Caldera and his descendants? Thanks - Anita
--- On Sat, 10/11/08, jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx wrote:
> From: jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 12:25 PM
> Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget
> your " Nuestros
> ranchos" cousins.
>
> Only one point. The royalty papers of the foundation of The
> city of San Luis
> Potosi, said that, was founded on November the 3th of 1592
> by: Capitan
> Miguel Caldera and Juan De Oñate (who was later New Mexico
> Gubernator), and
> the royalty writer was Pedro Venegas.
>
> In April 1593, Juan De Oñate gave city land to the first
> people.
> The land was separated to the next people: Hernando De
> Escobedo (Your
> GGGGGGGGGGGGGGF),Tomas Rudor, Alonso De Velasco, Jeronimo
> de Cabrera, Manuel
> Jorge, Juan Ramirez and Hernando Sanchez Urdiales, Ana de
> Toledo, and
> others.
>
> Hernando Jr, was there, but he didn´t stay in the
> foundation papers.
>
> If you need information, I am from San Luis Potosi, and I
> have several books
> that talk about this
> Regards
> Cristobal Villalobos
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En
> nombre de Joseph de
> Leon
> Enviado el: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2008 11:26 p.m.
> Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it
> without my primos' help
> at NuestrosRanchos
>
>
> Following the principle of documenting each generation and
> looking for
> "who's your daddy's, daddy's, daddy's,
> daddy's, etc.",
>
> I've discovered and documented 18 generations and
> bridged it to Spain. When
> in doubt, I ordered the microfilm of Mexico's church
> records of baptismsm,
> marriages, and public records to verify my research.
>
> 2 sets of 11th Great Grandparents from Spain.
>
> My 11th Great Grandparents' (Hernando de Escobedo (b.
> abt. 1520) and Leonor
> Juairez from Spain) son Hernando, Jr. (b. abt 1542) married
> my other 11th
> Great Gtandparents' (Alonso de Illescas (b. abt. 1520)
> and Bernadina Diaz)
> daughter Mari. Henando, Jr. and Mari left from Toledo,
> Spain and arrived
> at Nueva Espana (Mexico) on 24 March 1568. In abt. 1571 he
> discovered rich
> gold mines (now named Santo Domingo). In abt. 1593 he
> founded the city of
> San Luis Potosi.
>
> Hernando, Jr. and his son Francisco, a Spanish Captain, (b.
> abt. 1569 in
> Zacatecas, Zacatecas) founded Jerez, Zacatecas and his son
> founded Monte
> Escobedo. Apparently Francisco received 1/4 of his
> father's property. and
> in today's money that was probably more than what Bill
> Gates is worth.
>
> Now if I could only figure out how to claim a lil' bit
> of that fortune!
> Ha! Ha!
>
Anita, I have info posted on Rootsweb.com on Miguel Caldera but mostly from his sister Marias' line, those are the Caldera's from the district of Jerez Zacatecas mostly. They took the Caldera name instead of their fathers. There is also info from Susan Leniski in our Nuestrosranchos section you would be interested in, if you have a problem accessing it I'd be glad to send you a copy. I have 3 Caldera lines I have been trying to merge together with no luck so far.
Linda Castanon-Long in Everett
--- On Tue, 10/14/08, Anita Morales wrote:
From: Anita Morales
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 10:21 AM
Greetings, Do you have any info on Cap Miguel Caldera and his descendants?
Thanks - Anita
I have a few Caldera that pepper my Family Tree but mostly in the 1700s and 1800s, but I don't know if that's any help.
Attached is the reference to Captain Miguel Caldera I found on the Message Boards. It appears Caldera received 15 varas as Stock-Shares in the Santo Domingo mines.Jose Carlos de Leon
EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me
Hernado /de Escobedo /Fundo Luis Potosì, recibio un solar, descubrio las minas de Santo Domingo en el Cerro de San Pedro le dieron15 Varasal Capitan Miguel Caldera. LAS Varas ERAN COMO ACCIONESESCOBEDO, Hernando deNació entre 1542 y 1546. Probablemente minero. Llegó a Zacatecas hacia 1567. En 1571 fue condenado varias veces por pena de ordenanza y tuvo que pagar diferentes multas a la Cámara Real de Zacatecas: el 19 de enero, 6 pesos y 5 tomines de oro común, sentenciado por Juan de RenterÃa, alcalde mayor de las minas; el 15 de junio, 11 pesos y 2 granos de oro común, después de la sentencia pronunciado por el mismo funcionario; el 27 de septiembre, de nuevo 11 pesos y 2 granos; el 20 de diciembre, 8 pesos, 2 tomines y 2 granos, sentenciado por Francisco Delgadillo, alcalde mayor. Este último lo condenó el 28 de noviembre de 1572 al pago de 11 pesos y 2 granos de oro común por pena de vino. Fue presentado el 2 de enero de 1575, como fiador de Alonso de Soria, nombrado alguacil y alcaide de la cárcel de las minas. Pagó 3 pesos de oro común a la Caja de Zacatecas por pena de juego, condenado por Gaspar de la Mota, alcalde mayor, el 14 de mayo de 1578. Por coincidencia de penas y fechas, es muy probable que jugara con Tomás de Ordaz, Juan de Torres y Juan Alonso de las Casas. En 1579 presentó ante los oficiales reales de las minas, en dos ocasiones, un total de 623 marcos de plata para diezmar, por los que pagó 61 marcos, 5 onzas y 4 reales de plata por el concepto de diezmo. Además, pagó 6 marcos, 1 onza y 7 reales por derechos de fundición. El 1 de agosto de este año fue testigo del depósito de 50 pesos de oro común, de la compra de bienes de Juan Márquez, a Diego de León, depositario de esos bienes. El otro testigo fue Francisco Sánchez.El 18 de agosto de 1581, junto con MatÃas GarcÃa, metió a la Caja de Zacatecas una escritura de 200 pesos de oro común para pagar 400 fanegas de sal del Peñol Blanco, para la hacienda de minas de Don Diego y Don Luis de los RÃos Proaño. Descrito como vecino de Zacatecas para el 1de febrero de 1586. Testigo en esa ciudad, el 3 de mayo de 1587, en la averiguación del Lic. Juan Nuñez, sobre la prohibición para elegir alcaldes ordinarios allÃ. Dijo que vivÃa ahà desde 20 años atrás y que sólo habÃan gobernado alcaldes mayores y corregidores, y que los alcaldes ordinarios habÃan cometido abusos sacando hombres del lecho conyugal para apresarlos.En noviembre de 1593 o poco antes, recibió un solar para casa en la reciente fundación de San Luis PotosÃ. Según una memoria del mes de septiembre de 1597, él y Diego de Huelva fueron los descubridores de la mina de Santo Domingo, en el Cerro de San Pedro, S.L.P. Antes de esa fecha, hicieron donación de 15 varas de esta mina al capitán Miguel Caldera. Aún minero en el Cerro de San Pedro en septiembre del año siguiente (Galván Arellano, 1999: 222; Haciendas ..., 1956: 109; Powell, 1980: 257; Primer libro ..., 1990: 68; MS 060; 097; 118; 119; 121; 136; 427: f. 48).
> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:21:35 -0700> From: aamorales42@yahoo.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos> > Greetings, Do you have any info on Cap Miguel Caldera and his descendants? Thanks - Anita> > > --- On Sat, 10/11/08, jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx wrote:> > > From: jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos> > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 12:25 PM> > Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget> > your " Nuestros> > ranchos" cousins.> > > > Only one point. The royalty papers of the foundation of The> > city of San Luis> > Potosi, said that, was founded on November the 3th of 1592> > by: Capitan> > Miguel Caldera and Juan De Oñate (who was later New Mexico> > Gubernator), and> > the royalty writer was Pedro Venegas.> > > > In April 1593, Juan De Oñate gave city land to the first> > people.> > The land was separated to the next people: Hernando De> > Escobedo (Your> > GGGGGGGGGGGGGGF),Tomas Rudor, Alonso De Velasco, Jeronimo> > de Cabrera, Manuel> > Jorge, Juan Ramirez and Hernando Sanchez Urdiales, Ana de> > Toledo, and> > others.> > > > Hernando Jr, was there, but he didn´t stay in the> > foundation papers.> > > > If you need information, I am from San Luis Potosi, and I> > have several books> > that talk about this> > Regards> > Cristobal Villalobos> > > > -----Mensaje original-----> > De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En> > nombre de Joseph de> > Leon> > Enviado el: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2008 11:26 p.m.> > Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it> > without my primos' help> > at NuestrosRanchos
Joe, did you get my last email with more scans?
--- On Tue, 10/14/08, Joseph de Leon wrote:
From: Joseph de Leon
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 12:07 PM
I have a few Caldera that pepper my Family Tree but mostly in the 1700s and
1800s, but I don't know if that's any help.
Attached is the reference to Captain Miguel Caldera I found on the Message
Boards. It appears Caldera received 15 varas as Stock-Shares in the Santo
Domingo mines.Jose Carlos de Leon
EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me
Hernado /de Escobedo /Fundo Luis Potosì, recibio un solar, descubrio las
minas de Santo Domingo en el Cerro de San Pedro le dieron15 Varasal Capitan
Miguel Caldera. LAS Varas ERAN COMO ACCIONESESCOBEDO, Hernando deNació entre
1542 y 1546. Probablemente minero. Llegó a Zacatecas hacia 1567. En 1571 fue
condenado varias veces por pena de ordenanza y tuvo que pagar diferentes multas
a la Cámara Real de Zacatecas: el 19 de enero, 6 pesos y 5 tomines de oro
común, sentenciado por Juan de RenterÃa, alcalde mayor de las minas; el 15
de junio, 11 pesos y 2 granos de oro común, después de la sentencia
pronunciado por el mismo funcionario; el 27 de septiembre, de nuevo 11 pesos y 2
granos; el 20 de diciembre, 8 pesos, 2 tomines y 2 granos, sentenciado por
Francisco Delgadillo, alcalde mayor. Este último lo condenó el 28 de
noviembre de 1572 al pago de 11 pesos y 2 granos de oro común por pena de
vino. Fue presentado el 2 de enero de 1575, como fiador de Alonso de Soria,
nombrado alguacil y alcaide de la cárcel de las minas. Pagó 3 pesos de oro
común a la Caja de Zacatecas por pena de juego, condenado por Gaspar de la
Mota, alcalde mayor, el 14 de mayo de 1578. Por coincidencia de penas y fechas,
es muy probable que jugara con Tomás de Ordaz, Juan de Torres y Juan Alonso
de las Casas. En 1579 presentó ante los oficiales reales de las minas, en dos
ocasiones, un total de 623 marcos de plata para diezmar, por los que pagó 61
marcos, 5 onzas y 4 reales de plata por el concepto de diezmo. Además,
pagó 6 marcos, 1 onza y 7 reales por derechos de fundición. El 1 de agosto
de este año fue testigo del depósito de 50 pesos de oro común, de la
compra de bienes de Juan Márquez, a Diego de León, depositario de esos
bienes. El otro testigo fue Francisco Sánchez.El 18 de agosto de 1581, junto
con MatÃas GarcÃa, metió a la Caja de Zacatecas una escritura de 200
pesos de oro común para pagar 400 fanegas de sal del Peñol Blanco, para la
hacienda de minas de Don Diego y Don Luis de los RÃos Proaño. Descrito
como vecino de Zacatecas para el 1de febrero de 1586. Testigo en esa ciudad, el
3 de mayo de 1587, en la averiguación del Lic. Juan Nuñez, sobre la
prohibición para elegir alcaldes ordinarios allÃ. Dijo que vivÃa ahÃ
desde 20 años atrás y que sólo habÃan gobernado alcaldes mayores y
corregidores, y que los alcaldes ordinarios habÃan cometido abusos sacando
hombres del lecho conyugal para apresarlos.En noviembre de 1593 o poco antes,
recibió un solar para casa en la reciente fundación de San Luis PotosÃ.
Según una memoria del mes de septiembre de 1597, él y Diego de Huelva
fueron los descubridores de la mina de Santo Domingo, en el Cerro de San Pedro,
S.L.P. Antes de esa fecha, hicieron donación de 15 varas de esta mina al
capitán Miguel Caldera. Aún minero en el Cerro de San Pedro en septiembre
del año siguiente (Galván Arellano, 1999: 222; Haciendas ..., 1956: 109;
Powell, 1980: 257; Primer libro ..., 1990: 68; MS 060; 097; 118; 119; 121; 136;
427: f. 48).
> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:21:35 -0700> From: aamorales42@yahoo.com>
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I
couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos>
> Greetings, Do you have any info on Cap Miguel Caldera and his descendants?
Thanks - Anita> > > --- On Sat, 10/11/08, jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx
wrote:> > > From:
jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx > > Subject: Re:
[Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at
NuestrosRanchos> > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org,
general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008,
12:25 PM> > Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget>
> your " Nuestros> > ranchos" cousins.> > > >
Only one point. The royalty papers of the foundation of The> > city of San
Luis> > Potosi, said that, was founded on November the 3th of 1592>
> by: Capitan> > Miguel Caldera and Juan De Oñate (who was later New
Mexico> > Gubernator), and> > the royalty writer was Pedro
Venegas.> > > > In April 1593, Juan De Oñate gave city land to the
first> > people.> > The land was separated to the next people:
Hernando De> > Escobedo (Your> > GGGGGGGGGGGGGGF),Tomas Rudor,
Alonso De Velasco, Jeronimo> > de Cabrera, Manuel> > Jorge, Juan
Ramirez and Hernando Sanchez Urdiales, Ana de> > Toledo, and> >
others.> > > > Hernando Jr, was there, but he didn´t stay in
the> > foundation papers.> > > > If you need information, I am
from San Luis Potosi, and I> > have several books> > that talk about
this> > Regards> > Cristobal Villalobos> > > >
-----Mensaje original-----> > De:
general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> >
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En> > nombre de Joseph
de> > Leon> > Enviado el: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2008 11:26
p.m.> > Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Asunto: [Nuestros
Ranchos] I couldn't have done it> > without my primos' help>
> at NuestrosRanchos
No, nothing cameJose Carlos de Leon
EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me
> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:27:00 -0700> From: resco16@sbcglobal.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos> > Joe, did you get my last email with more scans?> > --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Joseph de Leon wrote:> > From: Joseph de Leon > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 12:07 PM> > I have a few Caldera that pepper my Family Tree but mostly in the 1700s and> 1800s, but I don't know if that's any help. > Attached is the reference to Captain Miguel Caldera I found on the Message> Boards. It appears Caldera received 15 varas as Stock-Shares in the Santo> Domingo mines.Jose Carlos de Leon> > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> Hernado /de Escobedo /Fundo Luis Potosì, recibio un solar, descubrio las> minas de Santo Domingo en el Cerro de San Pedro le dieron15 Varasal Capitan> Miguel Caldera. LAS Varas ERAN COMO ACCIONESESCOBEDO, Hernando deNació entre> 1542 y 1546. Probablemente minero. Llegó a Zacatecas hacia 1567. En 1571 fue> condenado varias veces por pena de ordenanza y tuvo que pagar diferentes multas> a la Cámara Real de Zacatecas: el 19 de enero, 6 pesos y 5 tomines de oro> común, sentenciado por Juan de RenterÃa, alcalde mayor de las minas; el 15> de junio, 11 pesos y 2 granos de oro común, después de la sentencia> pronunciado por el mismo funcionario; el 27 de septiembre, de nuevo 11 pesos y 2> granos; el 20 de diciembre, 8 pesos, 2 tomines y 2 granos, sentenciado por> Francisco Delgadillo, alcalde mayor. Este último lo condenó el 28 de> noviembre de 1572 al pago de 11 pesos y 2 granos de oro común por pena de> vino. Fue presentado el 2 de enero de 1575, como fiador de Alonso de Soria,> nombrado alguacil y alcaide de la cárcel de las minas. Pagó 3 pesos de oro> común a la Caja de Zacatecas por pena de juego, condenado por Gaspar de la> Mota, alcalde mayor, el 14 de mayo de 1578. Por coincidencia de penas y fechas,> es muy probable que jugara con Tomás de Ordaz, Juan de Torres y Juan Alonso> de las Casas. En 1579 presentó ante los oficiales reales de las minas, en dos> ocasiones, un total de 623 marcos de plata para diezmar, por los que pagó 61> marcos, 5 onzas y 4 reales de plata por el concepto de diezmo. Además,> pagó 6 marcos, 1 onza y 7 reales por derechos de fundición. El 1 de agosto> de este año fue testigo del depósito de 50 pesos de oro común, de la> compra de bienes de Juan Márquez, a Diego de León, depositario de esos> bienes. El otro testigo fue Francisco Sánchez.El 18 de agosto de 1581, junto> con MatÃas GarcÃa, metió a la Caja de Zacatecas una escritura de 200> pesos de oro común para pagar 400 fanegas de sal del Peñol Blanco, para la> hacienda de minas de Don Diego y Don Luis de los RÃos Proaño. Descrito> como vecino de Zacatecas para el 1de febrero de 1586. Testigo en esa ciudad, el> 3 de mayo de 1587, en la averiguación del Lic. Juan Nuñez, sobre la> prohibición para elegir alcaldes ordinarios allÃ. Dijo que vivÃa ahÃ> desde 20 años atrás y que sólo habÃan gobernado alcaldes mayores y> corregidores, y que los alcaldes ordinarios habÃan cometido abusos sacando> hombres del lecho conyugal para apresarlos.En noviembre de 1593 o poco antes,> recibió un solar para casa en la reciente fundación de San Luis PotosÃ.> Según una memoria del mes de septiembre de 1597, él y Diego de Huelva> fueron los descubridores de la mina de Santo Domingo, en el Cerro de San Pedro,> S.L.P. Antes de esa fecha, hicieron donación de 15 varas de esta mina al> capitán Miguel Caldera. Aún minero en el Cerro de San Pedro en septiembre> del año siguiente (Galván Arellano, 1999: 222; Haciendas ..., 1956: 109;> Powell, 1980: 257; Primer libro ..., 1990: 68; MS 060; 097; 118; 119; 121; 136;> 427: f. 48).> > > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:21:35 -0700> From: aamorales42@yahoo.com>> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I> couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos>> > Greetings, Do you have any info on Cap Miguel Caldera and his descendants?> Thanks - Anita> > > --- On Sat, 10/11/08, jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx> wrote:> > > From:> jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx > > Subject: Re:> [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at> NuestrosRanchos> > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org,> general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008,> 12:25 PM> > Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget>> > your " Nuestros> > ranchos" cousins.> > > >> Only one point. The royalty papers of the foundation of The> > city of San> Luis> > Potosi, said that, was founded on November the 3th of 1592>> > by: Capitan> > Miguel Caldera and Juan De Oñate (who was later New> Mexico> > Gubernator), and> > the royalty writer was Pedro> Venegas.> > > > In April 1593, Juan De Oñate gave city land to the> first> > people.> > The land was separated to the next people:> Hernando De> > Escobedo (Your> > GGGGGGGGGGGGGGF),Tomas Rudor,> Alonso De Velasco, Jeronimo> > de Cabrera, Manuel> > Jorge, Juan> Ramirez and Hernando Sanchez Urdiales, Ana de> > Toledo, and> >> others.> > > > Hernando Jr, was there, but he didn´t stay in> the> > foundation papers.> > > > If you need information, I am> from San Luis Potosi, and I> > have several books> > that talk about> this> > Regards> > Cristobal Villalobos> > > >> -----Mensaje original-----> > De:> general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> >> [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En> > nombre de Joseph> de> > Leon> > Enviado el: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2008 11:26> p.m.> > Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > Asunto: [Nuestros> Ranchos] I couldn't have done it> > without my primos' help>> > at NuestrosRanchos> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
Hello Anita
All the information that I have is from the books of the Historia de San
Luis Potosi from Primo Feliciano Velazquez
They said that Capitan Miguel Caldera was natural son of Pedro Caldera from
Villa de Jerez and a Chichimeca india.
He was born in 1548, they think some place in Zacatecas. He died in
September of 1597 in San Juan Del Rio Queretaro.
He had a natural daughter Isabel Caldera who married with Juan De La Torre,
and they have two children, Marcos y Melchor De la Torre.
Miguel Caldera have two half brothers Cristobal Caldera (Lived in Fresnillo)
and Don Francisco Caldera, and one sister, Mari Cid, married with Hernan
Gonzalez, they had a son, Pedro Cid.
I hope this information Help you.
Regards
Cristóbal Villalobos
-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Anita
Morales
Enviado el: Martes, 14 de Octubre de 2008 12:22 p.m.
Para: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos'
help at NuestrosRanchos
Greetings, Do you have any info on Cap Miguel Caldera and his descendants?
Thanks - Anita
--- On Sat, 10/11/08, jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx
wrote:
> From: jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos'
help at NuestrosRanchos
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 12:25 PM
> Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget
> your " Nuestros
> ranchos" cousins.
>
> Only one point. The royalty papers of the foundation of The
> city of San Luis
> Potosi, said that, was founded on November the 3th of 1592
> by: Capitan
> Miguel Caldera and Juan De Oñate (who was later New Mexico
> Gubernator), and
> the royalty writer was Pedro Venegas.
>
> In April 1593, Juan De Oñate gave city land to the first
> people.
> The land was separated to the next people: Hernando De
> Escobedo (Your
> GGGGGGGGGGGGGGF),Tomas Rudor, Alonso De Velasco, Jeronimo
> de Cabrera, Manuel
> Jorge, Juan Ramirez and Hernando Sanchez Urdiales, Ana de
> Toledo, and
> others.
>
> Hernando Jr, was there, but he didn´t stay in the
> foundation papers.
>
> If you need information, I am from San Luis Potosi, and I
> have several books
> that talk about this
> Regards
> Cristobal Villalobos
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En
> nombre de Joseph de
> Leon
> Enviado el: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2008 11:26 p.m.
> Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it
> without my primos' help
> at NuestrosRanchos
>
>
> Following the principle of documenting each generation and
> looking for
> "who's your daddy's, daddy's, daddy's,
> daddy's, etc.",
>
> I've discovered and documented 18 generations and
> bridged it to Spain. When
> in doubt, I ordered the microfilm of Mexico's church
> records of baptismsm,
> marriages, and public records to verify my research.
>
> 2 sets of 11th Great Grandparents from Spain.
>
> My 11th Great Grandparents' (Hernando de Escobedo (b.
> abt. 1520) and Leonor
> Juairez from Spain) son Hernando, Jr. (b. abt 1542) married
> my other 11th
> Great Gtandparents' (Alonso de Illescas (b. abt. 1520)
> and Bernadina Diaz)
> daughter Mari. Henando, Jr. and Mari left from Toledo,
> Spain and arrived
> at Nueva Espana (Mexico) on 24 March 1568. In abt. 1571 he
> discovered rich
> gold mines (now named Santo Domingo). In abt. 1593 he
> founded the city of
> San Luis Potosi.
>
> Hernando, Jr. and his son Francisco, a Spanish Captain, (b.
> abt. 1569 in
> Zacatecas, Zacatecas) founded Jerez, Zacatecas and his son
> founded Monte
> Escobedo. Apparently Francisco received 1/4 of his
> father's property. and
> in today's money that was probably more than what Bill
> Gates is worth.
>
> Now if I could only figure out how to claim a lil' bit
> of that fortune!
> Ha! Ha!
>
Dear Joseph, good job. If you get something don´t forget your " Nuestros
ranchos" cousins.
Only one point. The royalty papers of the foundation of The city of San Luis
Potosi, said that, was founded on November the 3th of 1592 by: Capitan
Miguel Caldera and Juan De Oñate (who was later New Mexico Gubernator), and
the royalty writer was Pedro Venegas.
In April 1593, Juan De Oñate gave city land to the first people.
The land was separated to the next people: Hernando De Escobedo (Your
GGGGGGGGGGGGGGF),Tomas Rudor, Alonso De Velasco, Jeronimo de Cabrera, Manuel
Jorge, Juan Ramirez and Hernando Sanchez Urdiales, Ana de Toledo, and
others.
Hernando Jr, was there, but he didn´t stay in the foundation papers.
If you need information, I am from San Luis Potosi, and I have several books
that talk about this
Regards
Cristobal Villalobos
-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Joseph de
Leon
Enviado el: Viernes, 10 de Octubre de 2008 11:26 p.m.
Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help
at NuestrosRanchos
Following the principle of documenting each generation and looking for
"who's your daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, etc.",
I've discovered and documented 18 generations and bridged it to Spain. When
in doubt, I ordered the microfilm of Mexico's church records of baptismsm,
marriages, and public records to verify my research.
2 sets of 11th Great Grandparents from Spain.
My 11th Great Grandparents' (Hernando de Escobedo (b. abt. 1520) and Leonor
Juairez from Spain) son Hernando, Jr. (b. abt 1542) married my other 11th
Great Gtandparents' (Alonso de Illescas (b. abt. 1520) and Bernadina Diaz)
daughter Mari. Henando, Jr. and Mari left from Toledo, Spain and arrived
at Nueva Espana (Mexico) on 24 March 1568. In abt. 1571 he discovered rich
gold mines (now named Santo Domingo). In abt. 1593 he founded the city of
San Luis Potosi.
Hernando, Jr. and his son Francisco, a Spanish Captain, (b. abt. 1569 in
Zacatecas, Zacatecas) founded Jerez, Zacatecas and his son founded Monte
Escobedo. Apparently Francisco received 1/4 of his father's property. and
in today's money that was probably more than what Bill Gates is worth.
Now if I could only figure out how to claim a lil' bit of that fortune!
Ha! Ha!
Well Done! Always happy to see research that's been shared become a a part of reclaiming our heritage and history. You give me hope in taking my families back further.
thanks for sharing your info so openly and freely
Linda in Everett
--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Joseph de Leon wrote:
From: Joseph de Leon
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 9:26 PM
Following the principle of documenting each generation and looking for
"who's your daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, daddy's,
etc.",
I've discovered and documented 18 generations and bridged it to Spain.
When in doubt, I ordered the microfilm of Mexico's church records of
baptismsm, marriages, and public records to verify my research.
2 sets of 11th Great Grandparents from Spain.
My 11th Great Grandparents' (Hernando de Escobedo (b. abt. 1520) and Leonor
Juairez from Spain) son Hernando, Jr. (b. abt 1542) married my other 11th Great
Gtandparents' (Alonso de Illescas (b. abt. 1520) and Bernadina Diaz)
daughter Mari. Henando, Jr. and Mari left from Toledo, Spain and arrived at
Nueva Espana (Mexico) on 24 March 1568. In abt. 1571 he discovered rich gold
mines (now named Santo Domingo). In abt. 1593 he founded the city of San Luis
Potosi.
Hernando, Jr. and his son Francisco, a Spanish Captain, (b. abt. 1569 in
Zacatecas, Zacatecas) founded Jerez, Zacatecas and his son founded Monte
Escobedo. Apparently Francisco received 1/4 of his father's property. and
in today's money that was probably more than what Bill Gates is worth.
Now if I could only figure out how to claim a lil' bit of that fortune!
Ha! Ha!
Well, maybe you will walk the way to El Dorado!
When I was starting my genealogy trip read about a girl who was searching her roots because she was requested to prove her belonging to the certain family by the surname Luft I think it was, she couldn´t make it in the requested time but contracted the genealogy seed.
Maybe you will get a good "tajada" (piece of cake).
Leticia Leon te saluda.
--- El vie 10-oct-08, Joseph de Leon escribió:
De:: Joseph de Leon
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] I couldn't have done it without my primos' help at NuestrosRanchos
A: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: viernes, 10 octubre, 2008, 11:26 pm
Following the principle of documenting each generation and looking for
"who's your daddy's, daddy's, daddy's, daddy's,
etc.",
I've discovered and documented 18 generations and bridged it to Spain.
When in doubt, I ordered the microfilm of Mexico's church records of
baptismsm, marriages, and public records to verify my research.
2 sets of 11th Great Grandparents from Spain.
My 11th Great Grandparents' (Hernando de Escobedo (b. abt. 1520) and Leonor
Juairez from Spain) son Hernando, Jr. (b. abt 1542) married my other 11th Great
Gtandparents' (Alonso de Illescas (b. abt. 1520) and Bernadina Diaz)
daughter Mari. Henando, Jr. and Mari left from Toledo, Spain and arrived at
Nueva Espana (Mexico) on 24 March 1568. In abt. 1571 he discovered rich gold
mines (now named Santo Domingo). In abt. 1593 he founded the city of San Luis
Potosi.
Hernando, Jr. and his son Francisco, a Spanish Captain, (b. abt. 1569 in
Zacatecas, Zacatecas) founded Jerez, Zacatecas and his son founded Monte
Escobedo. Apparently Francisco received 1/4 of his father's property. and
in today's money that was probably more than what Bill Gates is worth.
Now if I could only figure out how to claim a lil' bit of that fortune!
Ha! Ha!
Thank you for your response. Needless to say it's been difficult getting any "hits" so far! But I'll keep trying.
Teri Romero
----- Original Message ----
From: Santos Luna
Can you please direct me to where the Nuestros Ranchos user guide is.
Yvonne
----- Original Message ----
From: arturoramos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Go to files and under reference materials you'll find the link:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14123
joseph
====================
Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
y b wrote:
> Can you please direct me to where the Nuestros Ranchos user guide is.
>
> Yvonne
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: arturoramos
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:36:52 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Uploading a Genealogy Tree
Greetings to all:
My family trees have been posted under Member Genelogy Files/Anita Morales,
Names shown under "Ancestors of Pedro G Alvarado" from San Luis Potosi are: Alvarado, Galvan, Rodriguez, Tobar, Soto, Lozano, Ybarra, Carmona, Mireles, Martinez, Morales, Ybarra. Others shown: Gonzalez, Lopez, Perez, Molinas, Luera, Medina, Garcia, Munis
Anita you did a wonderful job of documenting your lines, well done! I have in my records Andres Correa and two of his wives.
I have a question about Catalina de la Torre abt 1609 married to Antonio Cueva Carbajal, my cousin is de la Cueva and I have Carabajal in an earlier record from Jerez, could you share with me the record you found in the Sagrada Mitra? My personal e-mail is longsjourney@hotmail.com. I do have all my records posted on Rootsweb.com with the source information included.
thank you, Linda Castanon-Long in Everett
--- On Tue, 10/14/08, anna1m wrote:
From: anna1m
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Alvarado/San Luis Potosi and Gonzalez/Zacatecas
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 10:50 AM
Greetings to all:
My family trees have been posted under Member Genelogy Files/Anita Morales,
Names shown under "Ancestors of Pedro G Alvarado" from San Luis
Potosi are: Alvarado, Galvan, Rodriguez, Tobar, Soto, Lozano, Ybarra, Carmona,
Mireles, Martinez, Morales, Ybarra. Others shown: Gonzalez, Lopez, Perez,
Molinas, Luera, Medina, Garcia, Munis
Places: Matehuala, San Luis Potosi, Encarnacion, Rancho de la Viuda, Catorce,
Bocas de Caballero, San Geronimo Moctezuma, Hacienda de Piotillo, La Mesita or
La Morita, Villaldame and Bustamantes NL and San Antonio Texas.
Names listed under "Ancestors of Maria Gonzalez" from Zacatecas are:
Gonzalez, Breña, Bañuelos, Rodriguez, Carlos, Hernandez, Salinas, Correa,
Sepulveda, Sanchez, del Muro, Gallegos, de la Torre, Valdez, Carrillo, Gamboa,
Felis Arellano, Aro, Quero. Robles, de los Santos. Others shown: Valdez,
Talabera, Delgado, Silva, de los Reyes, Davila, Tenorio, Ortiz de San Pedro.
Places: Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Jerez, Tepetondo, Juanchorrey, Real de Panuco,
Monte Escondedo and San Antonio Texas.
I appreciate the members review and comments. Hopefully, we can make
connections. Thanks - Anita
I UPLOADED MY PEDIGREE SO EVERYONE CAN REVIEW IT AND POSSIBLY FIND A MATCH. ALL THE FAMILY LINEAS ARE LISTED.
SUBI MI ARBOL GENEALOGICO ESPERANDO PUEDAN REVISARLO Y ENCONTRAR UNA POSIBLE CONEXION, ESTAN INCLUIDAS LAS DISTINTAS FAMILIAS O APELLIDOS QUE BUSCO.
Filomeno was Perfecto's father, Perfecto's mother was Maria Josefa Ulloa. Filomeno & MaJosefa were married on 22 Feb 1843 in Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac., according to Mormon records. I would like to find records of any kind related to Filomeno and MaJosefa.
I have a Ulloa line that starts 1679 in Tlaltenango however, I do not have any of the names you mention. Perhaps Maria Josefa Ulloa connects back a few generations.
Lots of Luck in your research.
Helyn
San Jose, CA
teresitar wrote:
Filomeno was Perfecto's father, Perfecto's mother was Maria Josefa Ulloa. Filomeno & MaJosefa were married on 22 Feb 1843 in Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac., according to Mormon records. I would like to find records of any kind related to Filomeno and MaJosefa.
I have been able to trace the family pedigree from him but I do not have anything else other than a marriage date. I would like to be able find their birthdates and birthplaces, perhaps even their parents!
Mormon church records also indicate that they had a son, his name was Perfecto Arteaga, born on 23 Apr 1844 also in Tlaltenango. Perfecto married Refugio Casanova. Refugio's parents, Lino Casanova and Maria Prudencia Albares were married on 14 Feb 1838 in Tlaltenango.
Perfecto & Refugio had 5 children, at least two of them were born and christened in Rancho del Terrero, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, these were; Filomeno II and Lino both born on 3 Jun 1873, twin boys. Also one of their other children was my great grandfather, Jacinto Casanova Arteaga I, born on 10 Sept 1869. Jacinto married Sara Bracamontes Berumen. I have been told that her father, Jose Rafael Berumen was at one time Mayor of Aguascalientes.
Perhaps you may have seen these names somewhere or in another website? Please let me know. I would like very much to find any information related primarily to Filomena and Maria Josefa Arteaga.
Hello, I've just joined this group and am looking forward to interacting and exchanging information with all of you. I am researching Ruiz, Zavala, Castellanos, Dias, Mendes, Rodrigues and Quevedo. Currently I
am researching the Castellanos and Zavala families that lived near or in La Barca.
Just wanted to list the URL for my research resources:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17222
Does anyone have any insight into why many entries in baptism records
contain the 'Ma.' prefix? Is it an abbreviation of Maria?
and
I was browsing the transcription of film 668255 and found something I found
troubling/interesting. I was searching for Jose Antonio Castellanos and
Dorotea Dias where they appear together as mother and father. I found one
entry that appears to be a positive match. Below that match are five others
with the same Dorotea Dias and variations of a Castellano as the father
(Jose Cirilo, Jose). They are all in the same location/church. Which is more
likely a) they are the same person withs transcription errors or b) they are
different individuals altogther? Here is the link to the data:
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#fatherSurna…
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:03 AM, roodee wrote:
>
> Hello, I've just joined this group and am looking forward to interacting
> and exchanging information with all of you. I am researching Ruiz, Zavala,
> Castellanos, Dias, Mendes, Rodrigues and Quevedo. Currently I
> am researching the Castellanos and Zavala families that lived near or in La
> Barca. I've been fortunate to find some records of baptism for Porfirio
> Castellano Zavala (Sep 17 1875) my GG Grandfather. The records indicate
> that the baptism took place in San Juan Bosco so this suggests that they
> lived near that local parish. What is curious to me is the criss-crossing of
> surnames. For example, Porfirio Castellanos Zavala was married to Guadalupe
> Castellanos (born October 7th 1875 in La Barca). However, Porfirio's mother
> Refugia (born about 1860) was also a Castellanos! Unfortunately, I cannot
> find much more information about Refugia's family.
> Guadalupe's parents were Guillermo Castellnos (born about 1849) and Rita
> Mendes (born about 1850). I was very fortunate to find a record of baptism
> for one of their other children Cenobio Castellanos (1 Nov 1865, La Barca)
> that includes both sets of grandparents. From my experience, this was a
> great find. I'm glad to have names, but have little else. This also suggests
> that these sets of grandparents were present in the region. Is this a
> correct assumption, that the records of baptism include people who were
> physically present? In any case, the grand parents (my GGGG grand parents)
> were Jose Antonio Castellanos / Dorotea Dias (Guillermo's parents) and
> Eduwiges Mendes / Dolores Rodrigues (Rita's parents). I'm making the guess
> that they were born around the 1830's. Incidentally, Eduwiges (Edubigen) and
> other variants are very, very strange to me. In the original baptismal
> record it is next to impossible to read. A transcriber on family search labs
> rendered in Eduwiges. Does any
> one have any history behind such a name? Needless to say researching my
> family history in Mexico is quite the learning experience!
>
> Regards,
>
> Rudy
>
Rudy, try and get a copy of the book: "Finding your Mexican
Ancestors A Beginner's Guide" by George and Peggy Ryskamp, it has
a lot of the abriviations that you will find useable in your search. It has been very
helpful for me.
You can get in touch with Carlos Yturralde at Hispanic Heritage Project
email: cyturralde@cox.net and you should be able to order a copy of the
book from his organization.
Happy hunting.
tiodann
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:21:01 -0700> From: roodee@thummy.com> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction / Research Questions> > Just wanted to list the URL for my research resources:> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17222> > Does anyone have any insight into why many entries in baptism records> contain the 'Ma.' prefix? Is it an abbreviation of Maria?> > and> > I was browsing the transcription of film 668255 and found something I found> troubling/interesting. I was searching for Jose Antonio Castellanos and> Dorotea Dias where they appear together as mother and father. I found one> entry that appears to be a positive match. Below that match are five others> with the same Dorotea Dias and variations of a Castellano as the father> (Jose Cirilo, Jose). They are all in the same location/church. Which is more> likely a) they are the same person withs transcription errors or b) they are> different individuals altogther? Here is t
he link to the data:> > http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#fatherSurna…; > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:03 AM, roodee wrote:> > >> > Hello, I've just joined this group and am looking forward to interacting> > and exchanging information with all of you. I am researching Ruiz, Zavala,> > Castellanos, Dias, Mendes, Rodrigues and Quevedo. Currently I> > am researching the Castellanos and Zavala families that lived near or in La> > Barca. I've been fortunate to find some records of baptism for Porfirio> > Castellano Zavala (Sep 17 1875) my GG Grandfather. The records indicate> > that the baptism took place in San Juan Bosco so this suggests that they> > lived near that local parish. What is curious to me is the criss-crossing of> > surnames. For example, Porfirio Castellanos Zavala was married to Guadalupe> > Castellanos (born October 7th 1875 in La Barca).
However, Porfirio's mother> > Refugia (born about 1860) was also a Castellanos! Unfortunately, I cannot> > find much more information about Refugia's family.> > Guadalupe's parents were Guillermo Castellnos (born about 1849) and Rita> > Mendes (born about 1850). I was very fortunate to find a record of baptism> > for one of their other children Cenobio Castellanos (1 Nov 1865, La Barca)> > that includes both sets of grandparents. From my experience, this was a> > great find. I'm glad to have names, but have little else. This also suggests> > that these sets of grandparents were present in the region. Is this a> > correct assumption, that the records of baptism include people who were> > physically present? In any case, the grand parents (my GGGG grand parents)> > were Jose Antonio Castellanos / Dorotea Dias (Guillermo's parents) and> > Eduwiges Mendes / Dolores Rodrigues (Rita's parents). I'm making the guess> > that they were born around the 1830's. Incidentally, Eduwiges (
Edubigen) and> > other variants are very, very strange to me. In the original baptismal> > record it is next to impossible to read. A transcriber on family search labs> > rendered in Eduwiges. Does any> > one have any history behind such a name? Needless to say researching my> > family history in Mexico is quite the learning experience!> >> > Regards,> >> > Rudy> >> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> >> > To post, send email to:> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> >> > To change your subscription, log on to:> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> >> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hello Rudy, This is Rudy.
I too have found "Finding your Mexican Ancestors A Begginer's Guide" helpful. I purchased my copy form AMAZON.COM. Good luck in your search.
Rudy Munoz - Phoenix, AZ
---- DANIEL ESPARZA wrote:
>
> Rudy, try and get a copy of the book: "Finding your Mexican
> Ancestors A Beginner's Guide" by George and Peggy Ryskamp, it has
> a lot of the abriviations that you will find useable in your search. It has been very
> helpful for me.
>
> You can get in touch with Carlos Yturralde at Hispanic Heritage Project
> email: cyturralde@cox.net and you should be able to order a copy of the
> book from his organization.
>
> Happy hunting.
>
> tiodann
>
> > Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:21:01 -0700> From: roodee@thummy.com> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction / Research Questions> > Just wanted to list the URL for my research resources:> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17222> > Does anyone have any insight into why many entries in baptism records> contain the 'Ma.' prefix? Is it an abbreviation of Maria?> > and> > I was browsing the transcription of film 668255 and found something I found> troubling/interesting. I was searching for Jose Antonio Castellanos and> Dorotea Dias where they appear together as mother and father. I found one> entry that appears to be a positive match. Below that match are five others> with the same Dorotea Dias and variations of a Castellano as the father> (Jose Cirilo, Jose). They are all in the same location/church. Which is more> likely a) they are the same person withs transcription errors or b) they are> different individuals altogther? Here is
t
> he link to the data:> > http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#fatherSurna…; > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:03 AM, roodee wrote:> > >> > Hello, I've just joined this group and am looking forward to interacting> > and exchanging information with all of you. I am researching Ruiz, Zavala,> > Castellanos, Dias, Mendes, Rodrigues and Quevedo. Currently I> > am researching the Castellanos and Zavala families that lived near or in La> > Barca. I've been fortunate to find some records of baptism for Porfirio> > Castellano Zavala (Sep 17 1875) my GG Grandfather. The records indicate> > that the baptism took place in San Juan Bosco so this suggests that they> > lived near that local parish. What is curious to me is the criss-crossing of> > surnames. For example, Porfirio Castellanos Zavala was married to Guadalupe> > Castellanos (born October 7th 1875 in La Barca)
.
> However, Porfirio's mother> > Refugia (born about 1860) was also a Castellanos! Unfortunately, I cannot> > find much more information about Refugia's family.> > Guadalupe's parents were Guillermo Castellnos (born about 1849) and Rita> > Mendes (born about 1850). I was very fortunate to find a record of baptism> > for one of their other children Cenobio Castellanos (1 Nov 1865, La Barca)> > that includes both sets of grandparents. From my experience, this was a> > great find. I'm glad to have names, but have little else. This also suggests> > that these sets of grandparents were present in the region. Is this a> > correct assumption, that the records of baptism include people who were> > physically present? In any case, the grand parents (my GGGG grand parents)> > were Jose Antonio Castellanos / Dorotea Dias (Guillermo's parents) and> > Eduwiges Mendes / Dolores Rodrigues (Rita's parents). I'm making the guess> > that they were born around the 1830's. Incidentally, Eduwiges
(
> Edubigen) and> > other variants are very, very strange to me. In the original baptismal> > record it is next to impossible to read. A transcriber on family search labs> > rendered in Eduwiges. Does any> > one have any history behind such a name? Needless to say researching my> > family history in Mexico is quite the learning experience!> >> > Regards,> >> > Rudy> >> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> >> > To post, send email to:> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> >> > To change your subscription, log on to:> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> >> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Rudy,
You are correct, abbreviation Ma stands for Maria. Other common abbreviations are Jph for Joseph, Mgl for Miguel, Antto for Antonio, Ju for Juan, Fco, for Francisco. Xbal, for Christobal.
Jaime
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rudy Ruiz"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 5:21:01 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction / Research Questions
Just wanted to list the URL for my research resources:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17222
Does anyone have any insight into why many entries in baptism records
contain the 'Ma.' prefix? Is it an abbreviation of Maria?
and
I was browsing the transcription of film 668255 and found something I found
troubling/interesting. I was searching for Jose Antonio Castellanos and
Dorotea Dias where they appear together as mother and father. I found one
entry that appears to be a positive match. Below that match are five others
with the same Dorotea Dias and variations of a Castellano as the father
(Jose Cirilo, Jose). They are all in the same location/church. Which is more
likely a) they are the same person withs transcription errors or b) they are
different individuals altogther? Here is the link to the data:
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#fatherSurna…
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:03 AM, roodee wrote:
>
> Hello, I've just joined this group and am looking forward to interacting
> and exchanging information with all of you. I am researching Ruiz, Zavala,
> Castellanos, Dias, Mendes, Rodrigues and Quevedo. Currently I
> am researching the Castellanos and Zavala families that lived near or in La
> Barca. I've been fortunate to find some records of baptism for Porfirio
> Castellano Zavala (Sep 17 1875) my GG Grandfather. The records indicate
> that the baptism took place in San Juan Bosco so this suggests that they
> lived near that local parish. What is curious to me is the criss-crossing of
> surnames. For example, Porfirio Castellanos Zavala was married to Guadalupe
> Castellanos (born October 7th 1875 in La Barca). However, Porfirio's mother
> Refugia (born about 1860) was also a Castellanos! Unfortunately, I cannot
> find much more information about Refugia's family.
> Guadalupe's parents were Guillermo Castellnos (born about 1849) and Rita
> Mendes (born about 1850). I was very fortunate to find a record of baptism
> for one of their other children Cenobio Castellanos (1 Nov 1865, La Barca)
> that includes both sets of grandparents. From my experience, this was a
> great find. I'm glad to have names, but have little else. This also suggests
> that these sets of grandparents were present in the region. Is this a
> correct assumption, that the records of baptism include people who were
> physically present? In any case, the grand parents (my GGGG grand parents)
> were Jose Antonio Castellanos / Dorotea Dias (Guillermo's parents) and
> Eduwiges Mendes / Dolores Rodrigues (Rita's parents). I'm making the guess
> that they were born around the 1830's. Incidentally, Eduwiges (Edubigen) and
> other variants are very, very strange to me. In the original baptismal
> record it is next to impossible to read. A transcriber on family search labs
> rendered in Eduwiges. Does any
> one have any history behind such a name? Needless to say researching my
> family history in Mexico is quite the learning experience!
>
> Regards,
>
> Rudy
>
Ruddy:
Welcome to this family, I'm glad more people searches their roots each time. I search families in La Barca too, unfortunately they aren't the same as you (we don't have a match), but according to my experience, I can tell you that it is very frecuent people who extracted the names in the records misspell the names, so it is fine if you find Eduviges (the original name) as well as Edubiges or Eduwiges. At the time your GG greatmother was born, the usage was EDUWIGES.
Wish you luck and work hard in your pedigree, that's the way we can KNOW more about our ancestors.
If it sin't useless, I look for the VALDIVIA, MACIAS, SANTIAGO and NAVARRO from La Barca, Tepatitlan, Lagos de Moreno, Sn Juan de los Lagos, and all Los Altos region. If you (or somebody else finds a match just let me know please).
Best regards.
LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA
Ser de Luz!!!> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: roodee@thummy.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:03:36 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction / Research Questions> > > Hello, I've just joined this group and am looking forward to interacting and exchanging information with all of you. I am researching Ruiz, Zavala, Castellanos, Dias, Mendes, Rodrigues and Quevedo. Currently I> am researching the Castellanos and Zavala families that lived near or in La Barca. I've been fortunate to find some records of baptism for Porfirio Castellano Zavala (Sep 17 1875) my GG Grandfather. The records indicate that the baptism took place in San Juan Bosco so this suggests that they lived near that local parish. What is curious to me is the criss-crossing of surnames. For example, Porfirio Castellanos Zavala was married to Guadalupe Castellanos (born October 7th 1875 in La Barca). However, Porfirio's mother Refugia (born about 1860) was also a Castellanos! Unfortunately, I cannot find much more information about Refugia's family. > > Guadalupe's parents were Guillermo Castellnos (born about 1849) and Rita Mendes (born about 1850). I was very fortunate to find a record of baptism for one of their other children Cenobio Castellanos (1 Nov 1865, La Barca) that includes both sets of grandparents. From my experience, this was a great find. I'm glad to have names, but have little else. This also suggests that these sets of grandparents were present in the region. Is this a correct assumption, that the records of baptism include people who were physically present? In any case, the grand parents (my GGGG grand parents) were Jose Antonio Castellanos / Dorotea Dias (Guillermo's parents) and Eduwiges Mendes / Dolores Rodrigues (Rita's parents). I'm making the guess that they were born around the 1830's. Incidentally, Eduwiges (Edubigen) and other variants are very, very strange to me. In the original baptismal record it is next to impossible to read. A transcriber on family search labs rendered in Eduwiges. Does any> one have any history behind such a name? Needless to say researching my family history in Mexico is quite the learning experience!> > Regards,> > Rudy> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Welcome, Rudy,
My father had among his ancestors people named Eduviges, or Edubiges, or Edubigen. St. Helwig was a Saint born in Bavaria in the 1100s. Read about her here: http://saints.sqpn.com/sainth03.htm
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: roodee
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 11:03 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction / Research Questions
Hello, I've just joined this group and am looking forward to interacting and exchanging information with all of you. I am researching Ruiz, Zavala, Castellanos, Dias, Mendes, Rodrigues and Quevedo. Currently I
am researching the Castellanos and Zavala families that lived near or in La Barca. I've been fortunate to find some records of baptism for Porfirio Castellano Zavala (Sep 17 1875) my GG Grandfather. The records indicate that the baptism took place in San Juan Bosco so this suggests that they lived near that local parish. What is curious to me is the criss-crossing of surnames. For example, Porfirio Castellanos Zavala was married to Guadalupe Castellanos (born October 7th 1875 in La Barca). However, Porfirio's mother Refugia (born about 1860) was also a Castellanos! Unfortunately, I cannot find much more information about Refugia's family.
Guadalupe's parents were Guillermo Castellnos (born about 1849) and Rita Mendes (born about 1850). I was very fortunate to find a record of baptism for one of their other children Cenobio Castellanos (1 Nov 1865, La Barca) that includes both sets of grandparents. From my experience, this was a great find. I'm glad to have names, but have little else. This also suggests that these sets of grandparents were present in the region. Is this a correct assumption, that the records of baptism include people who were physically present? In any case, the grand parents (my GGGG grand parents) were Jose Antonio Castellanos / Dorotea Dias (Guillermo's parents) and Eduwiges Mendes / Dolores Rodrigues (Rita's parents). I'm making the guess that they were born around the 1830's. Incidentally, Eduwiges (Edubigen) and other variants are very, very strange to me. In the original baptismal record it is next to impossible to read. A transcriber on family search labs rendered in Eduwiges. Does a
ny
one have any history behind such a name? Needless to say researching my family history in Mexico is quite the learning experience!
Regards,
Rudy
Rudy, I said St. Helwig, but it is really Hedwig (Eduviges).
Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: Emilie Garcia
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction / Research Questions
Welcome, Rudy,
My father had among his ancestors people named Eduviges, or Edubiges, or Edubigen. St. Helwig was a Saint born in Bavaria in the 1100s. Read about her here: http://saints.sqpn.com/sainth03.htm>
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: roodee>
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 11:03 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction / Research Questions
Hello, I've just joined this group and am looking forward to interacting and exchanging information with all of you. I am researching Ruiz, Zavala, Castellanos, Dias, Mendes, Rodrigues and Quevedo. Currently I
am researching the Castellanos and Zavala families that lived near or in La Barca. I've been fortunate to find some records of baptism for Porfirio Castellano Zavala (Sep 17 1875) my GG Grandfather. The records indicate that the baptism took place in San Juan Bosco so this suggests that they lived near that local parish. What is curious to me is the criss-crossing of surnames. For example, Porfirio Castellanos Zavala was married to Guadalupe Castellanos (born October 7th 1875 in La Barca). However, Porfirio's mother Refugia (born about 1860) was also a Castellanos! Unfortunately, I cannot find much more information about Refugia's family.
Guadalupe's parents were Guillermo Castellnos (born about 1849) and Rita Mendes (born about 1850). I was very fortunate to find a record of baptism for one of their other children Cenobio Castellanos (1 Nov 1865, La Barca) that includes both sets of grandparents. From my experience, this was a great find. I'm glad to have names, but have little else. This also suggests that these sets of grandparents were present in the region. Is this a correct assumption, that the records of baptism include people who were physically present? In any case, the grand parents (my GGGG grand parents) were Jose Antonio Castellanos / Dorotea Dias (Guillermo's parents) and Eduwiges Mendes / Dolores Rodrigues (Rita's parents). I'm making the guess that they were born around the 1830's. Incidentally, Eduwiges (Edubigen) and other variants are very, very strange to me. In the original baptismal record it is next to impossible to read. A transcriber on family search labs rendered in Eduwiges. Does
a
ny
one have any history behind such a name? Needless to say researching my family history in Mexico is quite the learning experience!
Regards,
Rudy
I am about ready to post my research on my Alvarado tree from San Luis Potosi and my Gonzalez tree from Zacatecas. I need guidance as to how to post on this site and what information I should provide (i.e sources).
Anita:
I would suggest you download the Nuestros Ranchos user guide which has detailed instructions on uploading files to your folder.
The files you upload should ideally be in a standard genealogical format to make them easily understandable to other members. If you are using PAF or some other genealogical database program, simply print out an Ahenentafel or Registry report into RTF (rich text file) or as a PDF and then upload that file to your file folder and add a description of what is contained in the file in the description of your file folder.
Another question